Gays boycott Chick-fil-a, Miracle rebound for economy

[Rick]

Another mistake will be made on Friday with the so-called kiss in thing at these restaurants. You can't be there unless you are buying something and if I were a patron I don't want to see couples of any nature making out in public. If my kid wants Chick-Fil-A and some asshole wants to further their orientation agenda in front of me in the drive thru my foot will be heavy on the accelerator.

There are better ways to further this cause.

Amen.

[classicstyxfan]

I wonder how long it will be until we have "Blue" and "Red" resturant chains ? Personally, I already miss the days when you picked a resturant strictly on whether their food was/is any good ! My hope is resturants and their high profile owners keep their beliefs separated from their business as much as possible, so we don't need scorecards to know what to eat !

Sadly, it appears that door is now wide open.

[Journey/Survivor]

I'm not trying to offend anyone. But I have a question for those of you who are pro-gay rights...

I saw a post or two saying that the guy that own C-F-A donates money to anti-gay "hate" groups. I have no idea what groups those are. And I have no idea if people in those anti-gay groups "hate" anyone or not?

My question is this, if someone is opposed to gay-marriage and opposes homosexuality, does that automatically make them a hateful person in your opinion?

[RPM]

I'll freely say it...I'm against gay marriage. Not the IDEA of them being together, but the religious institution of it. Look...do whatever the hell you want, and WHOMEVER you want...I don't care. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Simple as that.
Civil unions I agree with. But why the fuck do you have to be "MARRIED". Be Gayried....CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, For Christ's sake.

Exactly. but thats not good enough, they want the tax deductions, health care benefits, social exceptance that comes
with traditional marriage, as if there was no difference, well like it or not there is.

[brandonx76]

Another mistake will be made on Friday with the so-called kiss in thing at these restaurants.

Is that happening? Jesus...that's too much...

[steveo777]

I'm not trying to offend anyone. But I have a question for those of you who are pro-gay rights...

I saw a post or two saying that the guy that own C-F-A donates money to anti-gay "hate" groups. I have no idea what groups those are. And I have no idea if people in those anti-gay groups "hate" anyone or not?

My question is this, if someone is opposed to gay-marriage and opposes homosexuality, does that automatically make them a hateful person in your opinion?

It is all too common these days to lable people who "oppose" as "haters". This is a liberal way of thinking, but what I don't get is why it is the liberals that drive the PC movement. You'd actually think of that as conservatism.

[Journey/Survivor]

Another mistake will be made on Friday with the so-called kiss in thing at these restaurants. You can't be there unless you are buying something and if I were a patron I don't want to see couples of any nature making out in public. If my kid wants Chick-Fil-A and some asshole wants to further their orientation agenda in front of me in the drive thru my foot will be heavy on the accelerator.

There are better ways to further this cause.

Most heterosexuals try to be discreet about kissing in public places so as not to offend others.

[AR]

Another mistake will be made on Friday with the so-called kiss in thing at these restaurants.

Is that happening? Jesus...that's too much...

This is what the so-called 1% wants. Big Money wants the United States focused on a marginal/fringe issue.

Polarize the masses on something like this while the machine keeps rolling along. Nothing against anyone on either side but THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN THIS!

[RPM]

Another mistake will be made on Friday with the so-called kiss in thing at these restaurants.

Is that happening? Jesus...that's too much...

This is what the so-called 1% wants. Big Money wants the United States focused on a marginal/fringe issue.

Polarize the masses on something like this while the machine keeps rolling along. Nothing against anyone on either side but THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN THIS!

That is a great point! where are the answers for the biggest issues we are facing?
Does either side want to discuss those?

[Liam]

I'll freely say it...I'm against gay marriage. Not the IDEA of them being together, but the religious institution of it. Look...do whatever the hell you want, and WHOMEVER you want...I don't care. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Simple as that.
Civil unions I agree with. But why the fuck do you have to be "MARRIED". Be Gayried....CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, For Christ's sake.

Exactly. but thats not good enough, they want the tax deductions, health care benefits, social exceptance that comes
with traditional marriage, as if there was no difference, well like it or not there is.

All inclusive. All basically the same things, but don't call it MARRIAGE. It's NOT a marriage. It's about a candle with 2 wicks, or a sewer with 2 different entries.

Descriptive, huh?

[Journey/Survivor]

Andrew.

How much American news do you guys get in Australia?

Like say the mass-shootings at the Batman movie here in America. Do you guys hear about that on your news?

[Andrew]

Andrew.

How much American news do you guys get in Australia?

Like say the mass-shootings at the Batman movie here in America. Do you guys hear about that on your news?

Of course.
All major news - Australia gets a well balanced mix of local and international news each day - both Asian, European and USA happenings.

When I'm in the USA, I feel as if there is no other country on earth when watching your news. Nothing but US news.

But we won't hear about this Chickshit affair...

[Journey/Survivor]

This is what the so-called 1% wants. Big Money wants the United States focused on a marginal/fringe issue.

Polarize the masses on something like this while the machine keeps rolling along.

Exactly.

[Journey/Survivor]

Andrew.

How much American news do you guys get in Australia?

Like say the mass-shootings at the Batman movie here in America. Do you guys hear about that on your news?

Of course.
All major news - Australia gets a well balanced mix of local and international news each day - both Asian, European and USA happenings.

When I'm in the USA, I feel as if there is no other country on earth when watching your news. Nothing but US news.

But we won't hear about this Chickshit affair...

Yeah, other than wars and major catastrophes, American news stations mainly just talk about American news. I'm always surprised when I'm talking to someone from say Sweden, and they are familiar with all of America's sitcoms, and they tell me that half of their programing is American.

[Andrew]

Yeah, other than wars and major catastrophes, American news stations mainly just talk about American news. I'm always surprised when I'm talking to someone from say Sweden, and they are familiar with all of America's sitcoms, and they tell me that half of their programing is American.

Amercia produces more TV than EVERY other country on earth combined.

We get all the top US shows here also mixed in with AU local stuff and also shows from UK and NZ.

[Liam]

I enjoy the Chinese sweatshops that make my cheap NFL jerseys.

[Monker]

WTF is this all about?

It's about the 97% vs. the 3%. Instead of boycotting Chik-fil-a, the 97% heteros came out in droves to support the company, who's CEO made a statement that enraged the gay community, as I understand it.

I see.

that's just not the full picture.

The CEO admitted to supporting anti-gay groups and stating such things like gay marriage would bring the wrath of God down upon the country.

The city of Boston then made the decision that Chick-fil-a was not welcome in the city.

then the Henson company (the Muppets) backed out of their partnership with Chick-fil-a...because the CEO is a woman who actively supports gay marriage and rights.

Then Chick-fil-a issued a recall on some Muppet kids toys, saying they were defective and dangerous.

Then there were some fake Facebook posts in support of Chick-fil-a...proven by the fact that the avatar used was a stock photo of a teen girl. The suspicion is it was a chick-fil-a PR employee.

In response to that Mike Huckabee organized this appreciation day

Then, the mayor of Chicago said Chick-fil-a is not welcome in that city...No surprise there since it was Ron Emmanual

So, this talk of the 1% vs the 99%, or whatever is not true. It is about a CEO turning his company into a political tool.

I'll never eat at Chick-fil-a again. Not because of their donations but because to give that company money is to give it to a political cause - which is something I simply do not do.

This "appreciation day" is a one time thing...the long term implications of this are going to hurt the company for a very long time. It's not so smart to go excluding and offending customers. That CEO is an idiot.

[Andrew]

That's a more detailed explination.

Complex situation it seems.

Thanks Monker.

[Rick]

WTF is this all about?

It's about the 97% vs. the 3%. Instead of boycotting Chik-fil-a, the 97% heteros came out in droves to support the company, who's CEO made a statement that enraged the gay community, as I understand it.

I see.

that's just not the full picture.

The CEO admitted to supporting anti-gay groups and stating such things like gay marriage would bring the wrath of God down upon the country.

The city of Boston then made the decision that Chick-fil-a was not welcome in the city.

then the Henson company (the Muppets) backed out of their partnership with Chick-fil-a...because the CEO is a woman who actively supports gay marriage and rights.

Then Chick-fil-a issued a recall on some Muppet kids toys, saying they were defective and dangerous.

Then there were some fake Facebook posts in support of Chick-fil-a...proven by the fact that the avatar used was a stock photo of a teen girl. The suspicion is it was a chick-fil-a PR employee.

In response to that Mike Huckabee organized this appreciation day

Then, the mayor of Chicago said Chick-fil-a is not welcome in that city...No surprise there since it was Ron Emmanual

So, this talk of the 1% vs the 99%, or whatever is not true. It is about a CEO turning his company into a political tool.

I'll never eat at Chick-fil-a again. Not because of their donations but because to give that company money is to give it to a political cause - which is something I simply do not do.

This "appreciation day" is a one time thing...the long term implications of this are going to hurt the company for a very long time. It's not so smart to go excluding and offending customers. That CEO is an idiot.

When did saying "I don't agree with you", become excluding or offensive? This guy and this company have every right to believe however they want. When the askers of tolerance become tolerant themselves, this whole thing is moot.

[Liam]

BTW...tolerance is NOT the same as Acceptance.

[slucero]

BTW...tolerance is NOT the same as Acceptance.

as in... you might "tolerate" knowing men stab each other in the butt.. but you won't "accept" them doing it to you...

[RocknRoll]

This is one of the most intelligent articles I've seen on this. Everyone has the right to state their beliefs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/opini ... .html?_r=1

RECENTLY, Dan Cathy, the president of the fast-food chain Chick-fil-A, commented publicly on his beliefs about same-sex marriage. He emphasized that his business is very supportive of family and that Chick-fil-A is family-owned and family-led. He advocated for what he called “the biblical definition of the family unit” and observed that supporting same-sex marriage invites “God’s judgment on our nation.”

Predictably, Mr. Cathy’s comments drew a strong response from opponents and supporters alike. In protest, the Jim Henson Company said it would no longer make toys for Chick-fil-A; in support, the former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, now a television host, declared a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day.

But less predictable — and troubling — was that officials in a number of cities expressed not only their ire but also their desire to keep Chick-fil-A out of their towns. In Boston, Mayor Thomas M. Menino urged Chick-fil-A not to open a restaurant, explaining to The Boston Herald: “You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population.” In Philadelphia, the City Council member James F. Kenney wrote to Mr. Cathy, instructing him to “take a hike and take your intolerance with you.” A Chicago alderman opposed the opening of a new Chick-fil-A restaurant in his ward. And Speaker Christine Quinn of the New York City Council endorsed a movement by students at New York University who are pushing for the removal of Chick-fil-A from the school’s campus.

As a gay man, I’m disheartened by statements like Mr. Cathy’s, with their limited conception of what it means to be a family. “Family” is a treasured — I’ll say it, sacred — word in the gay community. Through decades of modern-day oppression, gay men and lesbians have created families against all odds. Love, loyalty, commitment, mutual support: these things are family. They are scarce virtues that our society should do everything in its power to foster.

But that’s my opinion. And a society that truly believes in individual freedom will respect Mr. Cathy’s right to his views. Those who disagree with him are free to boycott Chick-fil-A in protest. But if our elected officials run Chick-fil-A out of town, they are effectively voting for all of us, regardless of our respective beliefs, and eliminating our individual freedoms.

And freedom, after all, is at the heart of the controversy over same-sex marriage. True individual freedom includes allowing consenting adults to marry the partners they choose, regardless of gender. To those for whom same-sex marriage is personally objectionable, their free choice is simple: Don’t enter into one. But don’t impede the freedom of others to do so. As long as Chick-fil-A operates within the boundaries of the law, municipalities and institutions should leave the decision about whether to eat at Chick-fil-A to individual consumers. If they do, Chick-fil-A is still likely to experience a net loss of business over time as a result of Mr. Cathy’s statements. This is because gay people are the constituency most viscerally, fundamentally and personally affected by the denial of the freedom to marry the consenting adult we choose. We are the ones with the highest personal stakes in sticking out the battle in the long run. And we will vote with our feet.

In the marketplace as in politics, those rare players who place individual freedom ahead of their own personal agendas will get my vote every time.

[steveo777]

This is one of the most intelligent articles I've seen on this. Everyone has the right to state their beliefs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/opini ... .html?_r=1

RECENTLY, Dan Cathy, the president of the fast-food chain Chick-fil-A, commented publicly on his beliefs about same-sex marriage. He emphasized that his business is very supportive of family and that Chick-fil-A is family-owned and family-led. He advocated for what he called “the biblical definition of the family unit” and observed that supporting same-sex marriage invites “God’s judgment on our nation.”

Predictably, Mr. Cathy’s comments drew a strong response from opponents and supporters alike. In protest, the Jim Henson Company said it would no longer make toys for Chick-fil-A; in support, the former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, now a television host, declared a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day.

But less predictable — and troubling — was that officials in a number of cities expressed not only their ire but also their desire to keep Chick-fil-A out of their towns. In Boston, Mayor Thomas M. Menino urged Chick-fil-A not to open a restaurant, explaining to The Boston Herald: “You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population.” In Philadelphia, the City Council member James F. Kenney wrote to Mr. Cathy, instructing him to “take a hike and take your intolerance with you.” A Chicago alderman opposed the opening of a new Chick-fil-A restaurant in his ward. And Speaker Christine Quinn of the New York City Council endorsed a movement by students at New York University who are pushing for the removal of Chick-fil-A from the school’s campus.

As a gay man, I’m disheartened by statements like Mr. Cathy’s, with their limited conception of what it means to be a family. “Family” is a treasured — I’ll say it, sacred — word in the gay community. Through decades of modern-day oppression, gay men and lesbians have created families against all odds. Love, loyalty, commitment, mutual support: these things are family. They are scarce virtues that our society should do everything in its power to foster.

But that’s my opinion. And a society that truly believes in individual freedom will respect Mr. Cathy’s right to his views. Those who disagree with him are free to boycott Chick-fil-A in protest. But if our elected officials run Chick-fil-A out of town, they are effectively voting for all of us, regardless of our respective beliefs, and eliminating our individual freedoms.

And freedom, after all, is at the heart of the controversy over same-sex marriage. True individual freedom includes allowing consenting adults to marry the partners they choose, regardless of gender. To those for whom same-sex marriage is personally objectionable, their free choice is simple: Don’t enter into one. But don’t impede the freedom of others to do so. As long as Chick-fil-A operates within the boundaries of the law, municipalities and institutions should leave the decision about whether to eat at Chick-fil-A to individual consumers. If they do, Chick-fil-A is still likely to experience a net loss of business over time as a result of Mr. Cathy’s statements. This is because gay people are the constituency most viscerally, fundamentally and personally affected by the denial of the freedom to marry the consenting adult we choose. We are the ones with the highest personal stakes in sticking out the battle in the long run. And we will vote with our feet.

In the marketplace as in politics, those rare players who place individual freedom ahead of their own personal agendas will get my vote every time.

Hell yeah! Thanks Val.

edit: oh, and you little shit! (only you and I know why, but what a great surprise!)

[verslibre]

I'll never eat at Chick-fil-a again. Not because of their donations but because to give that company money is to give it to a political cause - which is something I simply do not do.

You may want to consider not eating out at fast food establishments/restaurants and buying certain brands/products, etc. Chick-fil-a is by no means the only corporation that "gives to a political cause."

[verslibre]

BTW...tolerance is NOT the same as Acceptance.

as in... you might "tolerate" knowing men stab each other in the butt.. but you won't "accept" them doing it to you...

[Hollywood]

This is absolutely not a free speech issue. Nobody has told the Chick-fil-a CEO he does not have the right to say or believe what he said. The content of what you say has consequences. To add to that the company has given money and support to anti-gay marriage PACs. This upset a portion of the population and they have the right to voice their opinion and choose not to do business with them.

To prove that this is not a free speech issue ask yourself this. If the CEO of Chick-fil-a came out in support of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) and monetarily supported NAMBLA's cause would Huckabee and the people eating at Chick-fil-a today hold another Chick-fil-a Appreciation Day to support the company?

[JRNYMAN]

The closest one to me shares a parking lot with an In-and-Out Burger (which has a line of cars wrapped around the building and woven through the parking lot at lunch and dinner times every day as it is...). Those 2 restaurants are built on the perimeter of a Wal-Mart, Staples, Home Depot, PetSmart Super Center - which is the destination point of the offramp exiting a very busy freeway.
Now, absorb all of that and arrange it in your mind's eye and add to it a line of cars lined up on the freeway for 3 freakin' miles waiting just to exit the freeway to then wind their way through the maze just to get parked and THEN stand in line!!!!
I LOVE Chik Fil A - their nuggets are hands down the best - but holy shit! I've got shit to do.... I can't imagine participating in that melee just to get a chix sandwich and show my support! There's a point where you've just got to draw a line in the sand between supporting them and wasting valuable time.

[verslibre]

To prove that this is not a free speech issue ask yourself this. If the CEO of Chick-fil-a came out in support of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) and monetarily supported NAMBLA's cause would the Huckabee and the people eating at Chick-fil-a today hold another Chick-fil-a Appreciation Day to support the company?

Is that a serious question?

[verslibre]

It's NOT a marriage. It's about a candle with 2 wicks, or a sewer with 2 different entries.

Ram it...ram it...ram it...

Ram it up your poop chute!

Crisco!!


– "Broken Hearts Are For Assholes" (F. Zappa)

[steveo777]

The closest one to me shares a parking lot with an In-and-Out Burger (which has a line of cars wrapped around the building and woven through the parking lot at lunch and dinner times every day as it is...). Those 2 restaurants are built on the perimeter of a Wal-Mart, Staples, Home Depot, PetSmart Super Center - which is the destination point of the offramp exiting a very busy freeway.
Now, absorb all of that and arrange it in your mind's eye and add to it a line of cars lined up on the freeway for 3 freakin' miles waiting just to exit the freeway to then wind their way through the maze just to get parked and THEN stand in line!!!!
I LOVE Chik Fil A - their nuggets are hands down the best - but holy shit! I've got shit to do.... I can't imagine participating in that melee just to get a chix sandwich and show my support! There's a point where you've just got to draw a line in the sand between supporting them and wasting valuable time.

In other words, you're gonna eat where you want to eat and not pay attention to the politics, nor judge your favorite band by who they sleep by. In our daily trek, not one iota of this shit matters to most of us. The CEO of Burger King could come out in the parking lot dressed up like a flaming tinker bell and I'm still gonna eat my Double Whopper With Cheese!