Gun Debate

[Don]

Don't they just stab each over in England, Japan and China since gun access is monitored more closely over there? I know there have been some nasty stories out of China about people stabbing up to 20 kids in five minutes before being subdued.

[Jeremey]

It's s simple study... it just needs to be done by qualified researchers.

Or maybe study why so many children are suffering from psychological disorders, that they are needing to turn to medications in the first place. It's not like they are taking perfectly behaved kids and drugging them. There was a problem that got them to that point in the first place. Why? What is happening to these kids brains? There is SO much more that needs studied BESIDES medications. That's my point. Not the gun control stuff.[/quote]

I agree with Lynn! Those people had problems to begin with. Ritalin and Prozac didn't turn people into mass murderers...our mental health care system in the US is broken!

And you are right about insurance Steve, I do agree with you now that I think about it. Your post reminded me how much I hate the insurance racket. I do think 99% of the gun owners in the US are responsible. Somehow we need to find a better way of dealing with the root cause of these psychos that shoot up malls, theaters and schools. They don't care about "fame." They aren't influenced by pop culture. They are just sick, very sick and mentally disturbed people, and their families need to have better access to getting them treatment.

[AR]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

[Jeremey]

Don't they just stab each over in England, Japan and China since gun access is monitored more closely over there? I know there have been some nasty stories out of China about people stabbing up to 20 kids in five minutes before being subdued.

Come on, Don - that was one guy, and all 20 of those kids are still going to (hopefully) grow up and lead healthy fulfilling lives...assembling iPads or whatever the fuck they grow up to do in China.

[Jeremey]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

I don't think that the populace is denied guns! I think anyone can probably hire an armed guard or escort if they had the means to do so?

The US will never ban guns...and if we legalized marijuana we would be much better off as well!

[Don]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

This is neither here nor there but I'll go ahead and mention that 70% of the guns in Mexico are actually brought in from the U.S.

[Don]

Don't they just stab each over in England, Japan and China since gun access is monitored more closely over there? I know there have been some nasty stories out of China about people stabbing up to 20 kids in five minutes before being subdued.

Come on, Don - that was one guy, and all 20 of those kids are still going to (hopefully) grow up and lead healthy fulfilling lives...assembling iPads or whatever the fuck they grow up to do in China.

Dude, do you read the Verge?

[AR]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

I don't think that the populace is denied guns! I think anyone can probably hire an armed guard or escort if they had the means to do so?

Only these politicians have the means. They are public servants. I should have the same right to do that and have it paid for me then.

With denying the populace a right - give the government an inch and they take it all. Speed and red light cameras, grab all the guns, ban sugary sodas. The nanny state is in full force.

I read Orwell's 1984 and slowly but surely I'm seeing he was prophetic. Just a few years late.

[AR]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

This is neither here nor there but I'll go ahead and mention that 70% of the guns in Mexico are actually brought in from the U.S.

That's interesting.

Along those lines the war on drugs and what is happening in the Mexican border towns because of so many failed policies here in the U.S. is tragic.

[Jeremey]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

I don't think that the populace is denied guns! I think anyone can probably hire an armed guard or escort if they had the means to do so?

Only these politicians have the means. They are public servants. I should have the same right to do that and have it paid for me then.

With denying the populace a right - give the government an inch and they take it all. Speed and red light cameras, grab all the guns, ban sugary sodas. The nanny state is in full force.

I read Orwell's 1984 and slowly but surely I'm seeing he was prophetic. Just a few years late.

You don't think our politicians should be protected? The leader of the free world? If your job had reason to fear you would be targeted for assassination while carrying out your duties, they would pay for you to be protected...well, we are the ones who hired the president, and there's more than a few people out there that would take a swing or throw a shoe at the dude (or worse).

The government is fucked up, but you are talking about local and state laws for the most part. Besides, where are sugary sodas outlawed? And as far as cameras go, just take a stroll in any privately held company - you are being watched! Go online - you are being watched! Order porn from your local cable company - you are being watched! Smoke a cigarette or eat a hamburger and try to get private health insurance - you are being watched! We have less to fear from our government - with their accountability and system of checks and balances - than we do from the people we PAY MONEY to watch our every move and take money out of our pockets!

Just try going down to the local convenience store for a cold pop - You will be watched by many cameras, and the majority of them may be privately owned...waiting to sell your information or influence your thinking based on the choices you make!

[Don]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

This is neither here nor there but I'll go ahead and mention that 70% of the guns in Mexico are actually brought in from the U.S.

That's interesting.

Along those lines the war on drugs and what is happening in the Mexican border towns because of so many failed policies here in the U.S. is tragic.

There was a big to do about DEA letting guns in for a sting operation but one of our agents getting shot to death by one of those same weapons we let cross over illegally.

[Jeremey]

Dude, do you read the Verge?

I have to admit I've never heard of it and just Googled...do you mean the blog The Verge? Is it good reading?

[Don]

Dude, do you read the Verge?

I have to admit I've never heard of it and just Googled...do you mean the blog The Verge? Is it good reading?

Lot of neckbeards on that site but they got one writer, Trent who is off the chain. He just did an article about Keisha at the CES which had me rolling.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/10/38618 ... -corporate

"For two years in high school I was a cashier at Whole Foods. We were at a busy intersection right in the middle of three fancy prep schools, so we maintained a pretty steady flow of soccer moms doing wheatgrass shots or going really hard at the salad bar with each other all day long. My supervisor, the Front End Team Leader Eric, was one of those smart middle-aged Whole Foods dudes who seemed like he could be doing much more but had gotten fucked over in life somehow and was now a powerful combination of grateful that he had any job at all and murderously spiteful that he had to wear an apron to work every day. He taught me a lot of lessons, from the practical (where to find the just-expired burritos before they went to the landfill) to the subtly profound. During the lulls in traffic when his team was prone to long bathroom breaks and back-alley bonghits, he’d saunter, clipboard in hand, down the row of cashiers. He’d stop right at the end of your station, lean in, and look you in the eyes. “If you’re not busy,” he’d say in a low rumble, a half-evil grin twisting up into his face, “look busy.” Then he’d slowly moonwalk towards the door, keeping his eyes locked, clicking his pen like a mental patient, until he got outside, where he’d do a spin and casually collect all the misplaced shopping carts in the parking lot. Fuckin’ Eric, man. I wonder if he’s on facebook....."

[Jeremey]

Lot of neckbeards on that site but they got one writer, Trent who is off the chain. He just did an article about Keisha at the CES which had me rolling.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/10/38618 ... -corporate

"For two years in high school I was a cashier at Whole Foods. We were at a busy intersection right in the middle of three fancy prep schools, so we maintained a pretty steady flow of soccer moms doing wheatgrass shots or going really hard at the salad bar with each other all day long. My supervisor, the Front End Team Leader Eric, was one of those smart middle-aged Whole Foods dudes who seemed like he could be doing much more but had gotten fucked over in life somehow and was now a powerful combination of grateful that he had any job at all and murderously spiteful that he had to wear an apron to work every day. He taught me a lot of lessons, from the practical (where to find the just-expired burritos before they went to the landfill) to the subtly profound. During the lulls in traffic when his team was prone to long bathroom breaks and back-alley bonghits, he’d saunter, clipboard in hand, down the row of cashiers. He’d stop right at the end of your station, lean in, and look you in the eyes. “If you’re not busy,” he’d say in a low rumble, a half-evil grin twisting up into his face, “look busy.” Then he’d slowly moonwalk towards the door, keeping his eyes locked, clicking his pen like a mental patient, until he got outside, where he’d do a spin and casually collect all the misplaced shopping carts in the parking lot. Fuckin’ Eric, man. I wonder if he’s on facebook....."

LOL...dude...Whole Foods is a great place to work!

I keep up with the neckbeards over at Reddit for the most part but I will add The Verge to my timekiller bookmarks!

[AR]

Believe me I am not even a gun owner, but when you see that pic of the president and known guns all around, denying the populace the same right is not something I can support. I really do think there are plenty of restrictions on the books.

I am not sure what other laws can be passed. Ban them all and the Mexican cartels will be salivating to run them into the U.S. like they do drugs to satisfy demand and more killings will occur - maybe across the border even more (Sorry Juarez) but lives are lives.

I don't think that the populace is denied guns! I think anyone can probably hire an armed guard or escort if they had the means to do so?

Only these politicians have the means. They are public servants. I should have the same right to do that and have it paid for me then.

With denying the populace a right - give the government an inch and they take it all. Speed and red light cameras, grab all the guns, ban sugary sodas. The nanny state is in full force.

I read Orwell's 1984 and slowly but surely I'm seeing he was prophetic. Just a few years late.

You don't think our politicians should be protected? The leader of the free world?

J, how about these entitled cocksuckers show us they feel our pain and voluntarily take a 2% tax increase themselves and become part of the Social Security system? They are supposed to be serving us.

Bro I have ZERO respect for any of them.

You ought to see the entourages the local politicians in my state have. Ridiculous.

[Jeremey]

J, how about these entitled cocksuckers show us they feel our pain and voluntarily take a 2% tax cut themselves and become part of the Social Security system? They are supposed to be serving us.

Bro I have ZERO respect for any of them.

I have little respect for most of them, but I'm a flag waving hippie patriot, if such a thing can exist LOL....I think our system has been hijacked and we are being manipulated by the very people we trusted to represent us - But I also think THOSE people are by and large only puppets of the ones holding the purse strings.

As far as the recent FICA increase goes - I am not sure, because I just collect money directly who pay me to provide a service for them. I am above the law! Fuck SS&D. I won't ever see a penny of any of it. So let them send me a bill at the end of the year while I use the extra cash to stimulate the economy in the meantime.

[AR]

J, how about these entitled cocksuckers show us they feel our pain and voluntarily take a 2% tax cut themselves and become part of the Social Security system? They are supposed to be serving us.

Bro I have ZERO respect for any of them.

I have little respect for most of them, but I'm a flag waving hippie patriot, if such a thing can exist LOL....I think our system has been hijacked and we are being manipulated by the very people we trusted to represent us - But I also thing THOSE people are by and large only puppets of the ones holding the purse strings.

That is part of it for sure. Rush said "Big Money goes around the world"

The recent deception in the media and the non-discussion by politicians about how the middle class was going to be fucked over is what has me enraged. (With more to come) I don't want Social Security. Let me have all that FICA tax in my check and in my pocket. The thieves can even keep everything I've paid in throughout my life. Social Security will not be there for most of us.

[StevePerryHair]

You need to consider there is a big reason the Dr's and parents turned to these drugs in the first place. There was something psychologically wrong with them BEFORE the meds. These meds aren't a cure. It doesn't make them a cause either.

I agree the meds aren't the cure...

But if the meds cause the person to become violent, and act out that violence with a gun. Then YES there is a commonality... And this list has causality written all over that list.

Simply denying gun ownership to and/or requiring a gun safe be purchased and utilized in residences, AND making sure those gun owners recognize the dangers of having guns near persons on those meds is a very logical start.

...Or making gun owners carry costly insurance policies! We have to insure our homes and cars against loss...it makes sense to me!

While that would be a huge windfall for the insurance companies.. it would also unfairly target 99.9% of responsible gun owners. Especially if the real cause of rise in school massacre violence with guns is found to be the rise in the use of psychotropic meds on the majority of the perpetrators.

It's s simple study... it just needs to be done by qualified researchers.

Or maybe study why so many children are suffering from psychological disorders, that they are needing to turn to medications in the first place. It's not like they are taking perfectly behaved kids and drugging them. There was a problem that got them to that point in the first place. Why? What is happening to these kids brains? There is SO much more that needs studied BESIDES medications. That's my point. Not the gun control stuff.

Not disagreeing with you... but were talking about "gun control".... not kid control...

You are blaming the shootings on drugs. I'm blaming them on psychological issues. How is what I'm saying any different than you are, when discussing this issue and gun control? You want to find out why kids are becoming murderers.... start studying mental health in children.

[Jeremey]

That is part of it for sure. Rush said "Big Money goes around the world"

The recent deception in the media and the non-discussion by politicians about how the middle class was going to be fucked over is what has me enraged. (With more to come) I don't want Social Security. Let me have all that FICA tax in my check and in my pocket. The thieves can even keep everything I've paid in throughout my life. Social Security will not be there for most of us.

NO ONE wanted to touch the 2013 FICA reversion - not dems, not republicans...they all knew rates were going to reset to 2010 levels but in the election cycle both parties chose to focus on the class warfare issues and divide the populace, knowing everyone would be distracted by this "fiscal cliff" they created, and with a wink and a nod they could count on that extra bit of revenue trickling in. The middle class got fucked on that, because of course FICA outpaced inflation by a 4 to 1 margin, even while wages have shrunk. Social Security is the third rail neither party wants to tackle, but it's the 800 lb gorilla in the room...without cuts in SS growth - a system already doomed to bankruptcy and failure - there is literally zero chance of balancing the budget. But both parties want to point and blame...raise taxes on the wealthiest one percent....cut drop in the bucket programs and so-called entitlements...be sure to keep us igorint folk thinking you're staying busy while the same rivers of cash flow into the same pockets year after year....

So what about gun control again?

[slucero]

You need to consider there is a big reason the Dr's and parents turned to these drugs in the first place. There was something psychologically wrong with them BEFORE the meds. These meds aren't a cure. It doesn't make them a cause either.

I agree the meds aren't the cure...

But if the meds cause the person to become violent, and act out that violence with a gun. Then YES there is a commonality... And this list has causality written all over that list.

Simply denying gun ownership to and/or requiring a gun safe be purchased and utilized in residences, AND making sure those gun owners recognize the dangers of having guns near persons on those meds is a very logical start.

...Or making gun owners carry costly insurance policies! We have to insure our homes and cars against loss...it makes sense to me!

While that would be a huge windfall for the insurance companies.. it would also unfairly target 99.9% of responsible gun owners. Especially if the real cause of rise in school massacre violence with guns is found to be the rise in the use of psychotropic meds on the majority of the perpetrators.

It's s simple study... it just needs to be done by qualified researchers.

Or maybe study why so many children are suffering from psychological disorders, that they are needing to turn to medications in the first place. It's not like they are taking perfectly behaved kids and drugging them. There was a problem that got them to that point in the first place. Why? What is happening to these kids brains? There is SO much more that needs studied BESIDES medications. That's my point. Not the gun control stuff.

Not disagreeing with you... but were talking about "gun control".... not kid control...

You are blaming the shootings on drugs. I'm blaming them on psychological issues. How is what I'm saying any different than you are, when discussing this issue and gun control? You want to find out why kids are becoming murderers.... start studying mental health in children.

No.. I'm not "blaming" the murders on anything.

I'm simply saying that if people really want to understand why the perpetrators committed these crimes.. maybe we should study the perps a bit better to figure out why.

Your solution to this singular problem is to study all children to solve all the reasons for all childhood mental illness.

That's searching for needle in a haystack.. when we already have the "needle"... the perps and the circumstances of their lives as research material.

[StevePerryHair]

You need to consider there is a big reason the Dr's and parents turned to these drugs in the first place. There was something psychologically wrong with them BEFORE the meds. These meds aren't a cure. It doesn't make them a cause either.

I agree the meds aren't the cure...

But if the meds cause the person to become violent, and act out that violence with a gun. Then YES there is a commonality... And this list has causality written all over that list.

Simply denying gun ownership to and/or requiring a gun safe be purchased and utilized in residences, AND making sure those gun owners recognize the dangers of having guns near persons on those meds is a very logical start.

...Or making gun owners carry costly insurance policies! We have to insure our homes and cars against loss...it makes sense to me!

While that would be a huge windfall for the insurance companies.. it would also unfairly target 99.9% of responsible gun owners. Especially if the real cause of rise in school massacre violence with guns is found to be the rise in the use of psychotropic meds on the majority of the perpetrators.

It's s simple study... it just needs to be done by qualified researchers.

Or maybe study why so many children are suffering from psychological disorders, that they are needing to turn to medications in the first place. It's not like they are taking perfectly behaved kids and drugging them. There was a problem that got them to that point in the first place. Why? What is happening to these kids brains? There is SO much more that needs studied BESIDES medications. That's my point. Not the gun control stuff.

Not disagreeing with you... but were talking about "gun control".... not kid control...

You are blaming the shootings on drugs. I'm blaming them on psychological issues. How is what I'm saying any different than you are, when discussing this issue and gun control? You want to find out why kids are becoming murderers.... start studying mental health in children.

No.. I'm not "blaming" the murders on anything.

I'm simply saying that if people really want to understand why the perpetrators committed these crimes.. maybe we should study the perps a bit better to figure out why.

Your solution to this singular problem is to study all children to solve all the reasons for all childhood mental illness.

That's searching for needle in a haystack.. when we already have the "needle"... the perps and the circumstances of their lives as research material.

Then your drugs don't need researched either. Because TONS of kids are on those drugs, and don't hurt anyone. So your argument against what I'm saying, as being valid in this discussion, is ridiculous.

[yulog]

Don't they just stab each over in England, Japan and China since gun access is monitored more closely over there? I know there have been some nasty stories out of China about people stabbing up to 20 kids in five minutes before being subdued.

Come on, Don - that was one guy, and all 20 of those kids are still going to (hopefully) grow up and lead healthy fulfilling lives...assembling iPads or whatever the fuck they grow up to do in China.

Yeah, i'm sure all the kids will grow up owning parts of the United States

[slucero]

Then your drugs don't need researched either. Because TONS of kids are on those drugs, and don't hurt anyone. So your argument against what I'm saying, as being valid in this discussion, is ridiculous.

They aren't "my drugs".. so please stop trying to make this a "me vs. you" argument.

Your argument is valid, it's just not necessarily related DIRECTLY to answering the question: "Is there a relationship between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings?"

Research, in as broad a manner as you suggest will not yield an answer to the mass shootings.. that is because the perps as a percentage of the those "TONS of kids on those drugs" is infinitesimally MINUTE, and any study this broad would yield no results of causality related to mass murders because the sample size would be too large.

THAT is why it is not valid in this discussion.

There is no guessing here.. we know who the perps are.. that is the only defined research sample needed.

[StevePerryHair]

Then your drugs don't need researched either. Because TONS of kids are on those drugs, and don't hurt anyone. So your argument against what I'm saying, as being valid in this discussion, is ridiculous.

They aren't "my drugs".. so please stop trying to make this a "me vs. you" argument.

Your argument is valid, it's just not necessarily related DIRECTLY to answering the question: "Is there a relationship between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings?"

Research, in as broad a manner as you suggest will not yield an answer to the mass shootings.. that is because the perps as a percentage of the those "TONS of kids on those drugs" is infinitesimally MINUTE, and any study this broad would yield no results of causality related to mass murders because the sample size would be too large.

THAT is why it is not valid in this discussion.

There is no guessing here.. we know who the perps are.. that is the only defined research sample needed.

i don't even understand why you are arguing with me in the first place. All I said was not just the drugs need studied, but also WHY THESE KIDS were on them.... why THEY had mental health issues to BEGIN with. A study of their mental health. My ideas ARE as valid as yours. You just have a problem with liking to be right.

[slucero]

Then your drugs don't need researched either. Because TONS of kids are on those drugs, and don't hurt anyone. So your argument against what I'm saying, as being valid in this discussion, is ridiculous.

They aren't "my drugs".. so please stop trying to make this a "me vs. you" argument.

Your argument is valid, it's just not necessarily related DIRECTLY to answering the question: "Is there a relationship between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings?"

Research, in as broad a manner as you suggest will not yield an answer to the mass shootings.. that is because the perps as a percentage of the those "TONS of kids on those drugs" is infinitesimally MINUTE, and any study this broad would yield no results of causality related to mass murders because the sample size would be too large.

THAT is why it is not valid in this discussion.

There is no guessing here.. we know who the perps are.. that is the only defined research sample needed.

i don't even understand why you are arguing with me in the first place. All I said was not just the drugs need studied, but also WHY THESE KIDS were on them.... why THEY had mental health issues to BEGIN with. A study of their mental health. My ideas ARE as valid as yours. You just have a problem with liking to be right.

Maybe if you'd read and understand what I post .. it might help you stop being so argumentative.

You want to study all kids. I say that's not needed to solve this problem... clear enough for ya?


and Wow.. aren't you the bitch tonight.

[StevePerryHair]

Then your drugs don't need researched either. Because TONS of kids are on those drugs, and don't hurt anyone. So your argument against what I'm saying, as being valid in this discussion, is ridiculous.

They aren't "my drugs".. so please stop trying to make this a "me vs. you" argument.

Your argument is valid, it's just not necessarily related DIRECTLY to answering the question: "Is there a relationship between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings?"

Research, in as broad a manner as you suggest will not yield an answer to the mass shootings.. that is because the perps as a percentage of the those "TONS of kids on those drugs" is infinitesimally MINUTE, and any study this broad would yield no results of causality related to mass murders because the sample size would be too large.

THAT is why it is not valid in this discussion.

There is no guessing here.. we know who the perps are.. that is the only defined research sample needed.

i don't even understand why you are arguing with me in the first place. All I said was not just the drugs need studied, but also WHY THESE KIDS were on them.... why THEY had mental health issues to BEGIN with. A study of their mental health. My ideas ARE as valid as yours. You just have a problem with liking to be right.

Maybe if you'd read and understand what I post .. it might help you stop being so argumentative.

You want to study all kids. I say that's not needed to solve this problem... clear enough for ya?


and Wow.. aren't you the bitch tonight.

The mental health of THESE kids. There are records. Pre-drug records I'd assume. I don't see how trying to get you to understand the validity of what I said makes me a bitch. I think I'm done discussing anything with you.

[slucero]

Then your drugs don't need researched either. Because TONS of kids are on those drugs, and don't hurt anyone. So your argument against what I'm saying, as being valid in this discussion, is ridiculous.

They aren't "my drugs".. so please stop trying to make this a "me vs. you" argument.

Your argument is valid, it's just not necessarily related DIRECTLY to answering the question: "Is there a relationship between psychotropic drugs and mass shootings?"

Research, in as broad a manner as you suggest will not yield an answer to the mass shootings.. that is because the perps as a percentage of the those "TONS of kids on those drugs" is infinitesimally MINUTE, and any study this broad would yield no results of causality related to mass murders because the sample size would be too large.

THAT is why it is not valid in this discussion.

There is no guessing here.. we know who the perps are.. that is the only defined research sample needed.

i don't even understand why you are arguing with me in the first place. All I said was not just the drugs need studied, but also WHY THESE KIDS were on them.... why THEY had mental health issues to BEGIN with. A study of their mental health. My ideas ARE as valid as yours. You just have a problem with liking to be right.

Maybe if you'd read and understand what I post .. it might help you stop being so argumentative.

You want to study all kids. I say that's not needed to solve this problem... clear enough for ya?


and Wow.. aren't you the bitch tonight.

The mental health of THESE kids. There are records. Pre-drug records I'd assume. I don't see how trying to get you to understand the validity of what I said makes me a bitch. I think I'm done discussing anything with you.

When you say "These kids", is that to mean the perps who killed, or all the kids on psych drugs.. please define what you mean, because that's what I'm reading in your posts - "all the kids on drugs"

And I never said you were wrong.. I said what you suggested would not be relevant to this discussion because it would not answer the question of what caused these perps to kill.. that you can't understand that is your problem.


Your the one who made this an argument FIRST and then made it personal by making the "my drugs" reference.... THAT makes you come off as bitchy.

So, 1st Learn to read and comprehend the English language.. then how to focus on the topic solely, discuss it civilly and not attack others for their posts... and you'll not come across a like a 4 year old.

[Archetype]

Aw, come on you guys...can't you at least agree that if you need a license to drive, you should at least be required to have a license to own a firearm?

By filling out the from 4473, you're basically applying for a "license" to purchase one. I hate how so many people act like one just walks into a store, forks over the cash, and walks out with a gun. It isn't that simple.

[Archetype]

I've considered getting a firearm. Lots of break ins in my usually sedate suburban neighborhood recently. The reason I haven't is because so far I am too lazy to go get trained. Not only would I need training but so would my wife and educating my child to not go near it (she's smart already and listens extremely well so not worried there).

I do feel for home protection one revolver is enough kept in a safe in my bedroom with a quick push button code for fast but not instant access. That makes sense to me for self defense. If an intruder gets in and I can't take the 20 seconds to get it out of the safe I'm done for anyway.

I don't like the idea though of fiddling with a cumbersome gun lock if I ever needed it.

I know assault rifles are fun to shoot at the range or whatever, but I do NOT see a practical use in the hands of the general public.

First off, by using the word "assault rifle" you are showing limited knowledge of the subject. Secondly, my two home defense firearms are what the ill-informed would call "assault rifles." I also use them for hiking, camping and sport shooting. They're considerably lighter than most "sporting" rifles" (I'm only making the distinction for the sake of this conversation) You can carry 30 intermediate-sized cartridges in the gun and not have to carry anything on you. Another point is that AR-15s have become wildly popular for hunting in the many states that allow semi-auto rifles. One can change calibers, configurations and optics on them in seconds. They're very versatile. I generally despise hunting, but the common usage is there.

[Boomchild]

So, V.P. Biden in his "research" to address our "gun problem" the government feels we have, met with creators of these "shooter video games". How do you folks feel about them and children playing these types of games? Personally, I don't think it's the best thing for children to be spending their time on. I think that it can desensitize some to the respect and caution one should have when owning a gun. Having said that, I do not think it is the the job of the government to dictate what types of video games are acceptable or be involved in regulating it. It's the job of the children's parents to determine what their child is exposed to. If a large percentage of parents feel that they have a negative effect and don't buy them then the demand for those types of games would go down.