27 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary

[Memorex]

Agreed. But I think the government is going to make it a whole lot harder and more expensive to buy proper stocks of ammo.

[Archetype]

Agreed. But I think the government is going to make it a whole lot harder and more expensive to buy proper stocks of ammo.

Which is why people are maxing out their credit cards for it now.

[artist4perry]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

[majik]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

YES!

[Duncan]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

[artist4perry]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

[Memorex]

Infringe on people's right to privacy much?


http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-?nclick_check=1

I suppose the data is public, but what is the point of this?

[Duncan]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

You were the one who waded in with the religous lecture. I was responding to Parfait's quite legitimate question. However, I'm clear on your position now. You think your post below was the wrong response.

"Actually Rick he saved us all the heartache of the trial for the family. It would have cost us a lot to house and feed his sorry butt. Some snake oil salesman of a public defender or sleazy lawyer who believes his clients have rights would have cried he was a mentally ill child to be pittied.... Evil or Very Mad Nope dead he should be and he is meeting his maker as we speak...and considering how Jesus spoke of his love for the little children this man is facing a much hotter eternal punishment. He has plenty of time now to contemplate why he should not have done what he did."

I say it's entirely the right response. If you want to believe in a god that grants a get out of jail free card to mass child murderers that's up to you. By the way, when you say, "if he was disturbed... we have to have pity on his soul", I don't recall the bible saying that you can plead mitigating circumstances at the pearly gates.

[slucero]

If we agree that our relationship to God is purely on-on-one.. and God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

[artist4perry]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

You were the one who waded in with the religous lecture. I was responding to Parfait's quite legitimate question. However, I'm clear on your position now. You think your post below was the wrong response.

"Actually Rick he saved us all the heartache of the trial for the family. It would have cost us a lot to house and feed his sorry butt. Some snake oil salesman of a public defender or sleazy lawyer who believes his clients have rights would have cried he was a mentally ill child to be pittied.... Evil or Very Mad Nope dead he should be and he is meeting his maker as we speak...and considering how Jesus spoke of his love for the little children this man is facing a much hotter eternal punishment. He has plenty of time now to contemplate why he should not have done what he did."

I say it's entirely the right response. If you want to believe in a god that grants a get out of jail free card to mass child murderers that's up to you. By the way, when you say, "if he was disturbed... we have to have pity on his soul", I don't recall the bible saying that you can plead mitigating circumstances at the pearly gates.

There is a difference between an opinion which was just my own not to be forced on anyone and a lecture. Have a good Christmas Duncan. Twist my words away. I am enjoying time with my kids.

[Boomchild]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

[majik]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

[Boomchild]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

Misinterpret was not the best word to use, It's more so that there are so many different interpretations. My main point here is that the followers tend to pass there own judgement ( based on THEIR INTERPRETATION of scripture) instead of letting that up to their creator.

[majik]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

Misinterpret was not the best word to use, It's more so that there are so many different interpretations. My main point here is that the followers tend to pass there own judgement ( based on THEIR INTERPRETATION of scripture) instead of letting that up to their creator.

I'm not agreeing that there is a creator but if there was its/his teaching or message would not be open to so many differing interpretation or misinterpretation setting up an us against them situation or my God is the true God and yours is false scenario. Even believers ( so called ) cannot agree on the meaning of scripture.

Your use of the word misinterpret had to be changed to "so many different interpretations" in an attempt to clarify further. God is a man made idea and concept that has lost every trace of its original intended meaning as all concepts will and do.

Can seeing be misinterpreted ? No, there IS seeing but the object of that seeing can be misinterpreted while the actuality of seeing remains true.

Only words can tell lies, Phil Lynott Thin Lizzy.

[steveo777]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

Misinterpret was not the best word to use, It's more so that there are so many different interpretations. My main point here is that the followers tend to pass there own judgement ( based on THEIR INTERPRETATION of scripture) instead of letting that up to their creator.

I'm not agreeing that there is a creator but if there was its/his teaching or message would not be open to so many differing interpretation or misinterpretation setting up an us against them situation or my God is the true God and yours is false scenario. Even believers ( so called ) cannot agree on the meaning of scripture.

Your use of the word misinterpret had to be changed to "so many different interpretations" in an attempt to clarify further. God is a man made idea and concept that has lost every trace of its original intended meaning as all concepts will and do.

Can seeing be misinterpreted ? No, there IS seeing but the object of that seeing can be misinterpreted while the actuality of seeing remains true.

Only words can tell lies, Phil Lynott Thin Lizzy.

Truth has been lost over translation of many ages. Yet , the spirit of it still manages to find some of us and the truth once again becomes revealed. Maybe it's the time of year, but clarity comes to those of us with faith. It's really what gets us into the next year and beyond. I believe!

[majik]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

Misinterpret was not the best word to use, It's more so that there are so many different interpretations. My main point here is that the followers tend to pass there own judgement ( based on THEIR INTERPRETATION of scripture) instead of letting that up to their creator.

I'm not agreeing that there is a creator but if there was its/his teaching or message would not be open to so many differing interpretation or misinterpretation setting up an us against them situation or my God is the true God and yours is false scenario. Even believers ( so called ) cannot agree on the meaning of scripture.

Your use of the word misinterpret had to be changed to "so many different interpretations" in an attempt to clarify further. God is a man made idea and concept that has lost every trace of its original intended meaning as all concepts will and do.

Can seeing be misinterpreted ? No, there IS seeing but the object of that seeing can be misinterpreted while the actuality of seeing remains true.

Only words can tell lies, Phil Lynott Thin Lizzy.

Truth has been lost over translation of many ages. Yet , the spirit of it still manages to find some of us and the truth once again becomes revealed. Maybe it's the time of year, but clarity comes to those of us with faith. It's really what gets us into the next year and beyond. I believe!

The TRUTH has never been lost and it is not hidden waiting to be revealed. The truth cannot be spoken because it would then be open to erroneous interpretation and we would have this same situation.
That which Knows both clarity and confusion is already Present and is not recognised.

TRUTH is not a respecter of persons not even those that wear the big badge of faith that sets them apart from the lowly unworthy, that is all ego.

[Monker]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

Misinterpret was not the best word to use, It's more so that there are so many different interpretations. My main point here is that the followers tend to pass there own judgement ( based on THEIR INTERPRETATION of scripture) instead of letting that up to their creator.

Wow, I agree with something you said.

But, I'll be a bit more upfront with my opinion. Christians are at times some of the most judge mental people I have ever known. Basically, some believe they know the whole 'truth' and are not shy about telling you why a person is going to Hell, or avoid certain people because they believe they are not of the same beliefs. The fact is Jesus commanded people to NOT judge, and he actively sought out and surrounded himself with the most hated and sinful people of the time. Wipe your feet off and move on to the next door instead constantly telling a person they are a sinner and going to hell if they do not believe as you.

[Monker]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

That is a simplistic and fictional view of the world. You can meditate and remove emotion and thought. However, at some point you have to act. If you come to a fork in the road in your life you eventually have to make a choice on which road to travel down. Whichever road you choose contains your destiny. That is calling living your life.

What you describe above, and in other posts, is not living. A person needs to decide what to believe, or not believe.

[Monker]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.

[artist4perry]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.

O.K. Monker but if you and Duncan would read a little further you would read I said I was WRONG in saying that. I get tired of saying this over and over to people who won't even bother to read all that I say. I said my first response was not a Christian one, and that I have since re thought those words. If your asking if I act Christian 24/7 the answer is no. Christ was the only perfect one. I am not perfect. And I SAID MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS WRONG. DO I NEED TO WRITE IT BIGGER FOR YOU GUYS? Seriously! I should be able to respond using my faith as part of the opinion without making it a debate every time, Pafait brought up the religious thing with What would Jesus do? I was just joking around with him. You guys made it a debate after that. I tried my best to answer some questions but after I saw where this is going I say I am not going to discuss it with you because you have an agenda. I am done with it.

[artist4perry]

MERRY CHRISTMAS MONKER AND DUNKAN. I have a Christmas wish for you both...lighten up guys everything in life does not equate you being debate champion of the world.

[majik]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

That is a simplistic and fictional view of the world. You can meditate and remove emotion and thought. However, at some point you have to act. If you come to a fork in the road in your life you eventually have to make a choice on which road to travel down. Whichever road you choose contains your destiny. That is calling living your life.

What you describe above, and in other posts, is not living. A person needs to decide what to believe, or not believe.

Simplistic is fictional lol, simplistic is actual, adding story after story is drama and the mind is totally addicted to the buzz that drama brings. Freedom from that is real life but you can have the drama and fantasy if you enjoy that burden. Give me simple any time.

You don't know the first thing about meditation if you can make such a comment.
Removing thought is not meditation, it is allowing thought to be here in the moment instead of wrestling with it trying to push it away empowering it further. When thought is allowed to be as it is in this way it looses its power and addictiveness. This in turn may reduce emotional involvement if it doesn't emotions are not pushed away either they are allowed to be... they exist why do battle with them empowering them to the point of as you say take action causing severe damage to yourself or someone else. Thats life is it??

The fork in the road analogy doesn't make sense, why choose the left or right fork in the road when as you say whichever road you choose contains your destiny. But complicate your life further if you want to wrestle and pretend you have choice.
This IS your destiny here and now here it is, nothing complicated and no drama.If it is not your destiny what is it... em!! a temporary destiny ? Adding a future possible destiny is being seduced by thought and is appearing only in thought in other words unreal, a fantasy. A disturbed mind is always on the go it is Disturbed and it eventually cracks under it own mind made burden.

[majik]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.

Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.

[majik]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

Turning a legitimate question, what would Jesus do into a simple joke is more so disturbing and some might say anti-religious.

What Jesus did do in his hour of need is demonstrate the perfect example by surrendering to the will of God and every believer should know this yet no believer mentioned it. Surrendering to this moment is surrender to God.
What did the apostles do ?? make simple jokes for the unbelievers questions, turn to their politicians, or debate the banning or owning of a hammer and six inch nails.

[Monker]

Simplistic is fictional lol

Yeah, LOL...cuz that is NOT what I said. I said, "simplistic AND fictional". That does not mean that the two words have the same meaning.

simplistic is actual

In the context of my statement, simplistic is taking a situation and removing the complexities of emotion and extraneous thought.

It's fiction because that is not what people do. People do not sit about in some type of meditated state forever...they eventually react with their thoughts and feelings.

adding story after story is drama and the mind is totally addicted to the buzz that drama brings. Freedom from that is real life but you can have the drama and fantasy if you enjoy that burden. Give me simple any time.

You're wrong.

Despite what you want, people live how THEY want. When something dramatic like a shooting happens, most people react dramatically...that is human nature and it's not going to change. Freedom from that is called seclusion and isolation. If you believe being a recluse is "living your life", that's fine...but I doubt most people agree.

Removing thought is not meditation, it is allowing thought to be here in the moment instead of wrestling with it trying to push it away empowering it further. When thought is allowed to be as it is in this way it looses its power and addictiveness. This in turn may reduce emotional involvement if it doesn't emotions are not pushed away either they are allowed to be... they exist why do battle with them empowering them to the point of as you say take action causing severe damage to yourself or someone else. Thats life is it??

That is very much not what I was talking about. You can meditate all you want...but eventually you either believe in God and Jesus, or not...you either believe in Tao and that all life is precious and should be cherished, or not. You can not believe in all things, and some things you do believe. That is not a 'struggle" or "battle". It is living life. Not making any decisions is avoiding life.;

The fork in the road analogy doesn't make sense, why choose the left or right fork in the road when as you say whichever road you choose contains your destiny. But complicate your life further if you want to wrestle and pretend you have choice.

You are saying you DO NOT have a choice on what road to take in your life? That makes no sense at all.

I also did not say it "contains" your destiny. People make their own destiny by the choices they make in their life. Whatever road you choose, that is your destiny. Stated in that simplistic way, it is not even an opinion, it's a fact.

"In the matter you speak of, destiny, there is no such thing as chance. For which ever way you choose, right or left, it must lead to an end. And that end is our destiny." --Master Po.

[Monker]

Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.

O.K. Monker but if you and Duncan would read a little further you would read I said I was WRONG in saying that. I get tired of saying this over and over to people who won't even bother to read all that I say. I said my first response was not a Christian one, and that I have since re thought those words. If your asking if I act Christian 24/7 the answer is no. Christ was the only perfect one. I am not perfect. And I SAID MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS WRONG. DO I NEED TO WRITE IT BIGGER FOR YOU GUYS? Seriously! I should be able to respond using my faith as part of the opinion without making it a debate every time, Pafait brought up the religious thing with What would Jesus do? I was just joking around with him. You guys made it a debate after that. I tried my best to answer some questions but after I saw where this is going I say I am not going to discuss it with you because you have an agenda. I am done with it.

Which you should be commended for...and is also why I added the bit about it doesn't matter who says it or why. A lot of people have said various versions of "the shooter should have been shot," here and elsewhere. Wishing someone were dead is the reason this kid picked up a gun in the first place. So, IMO, the people who want guns in schools...especially in the hands of teachers or administrators, value life of others no more then the shooter - and are part of the problem, not any solution.

[Boomchild]

God is the sole judge of a persons actions, then God is also the sole judge of a persons piety.

That can only mean any opinion we have is immaterial to that judgement.

And this is what many of his followers tend to forget. They continually pass judgement on subjects such as abortion, same sex relationships etc.. If God is the sole judge that matters then those that choose a life of "sin" will get God's judgement in the end so his followers should not get their panties in bunch on such subjects, in my opinion. They also tend to forget God's statement that his followers are "in the world but not of it". And if you agree that God is the only perfect being then that suggests that a follower being imperfect can easily misinterpret his teachings.

Misinterpreting happens because the message is not the words themselves, just like a road map of words and symbols can only point the way but is not the destination. When words, concepts, ideas, and opinions are dropped what remains ?
It is not misinterpretation!! it is freedom/liberation from the monkey mind, the insanity that is the cause of this mess. Pause thought for a moment.... what is Here and can it be misinterpreted.

Misinterpret was not the best word to use, It's more so that there are so many different interpretations. My main point here is that the followers tend to pass there own judgement ( based on THEIR INTERPRETATION of scripture) instead of letting that up to their creator.

Wow, I agree with something you said.

But, I'll be a bit more upfront with my opinion. Christians are at times some of the most judge mental people I have ever known. Basically, some believe they know the whole 'truth' and are not shy about telling you why a person is going to Hell, or avoid certain people because they believe they are not of the same beliefs. The fact is Jesus commanded people to NOT judge, and he actively sought out and surrounded himself with the most hated and sinful people of the time. Wipe your feet off and move on to the next door instead constantly telling a person they are a sinner and going to hell if they do not believe as you.

I would agree that it seems large segments of the "Christian Community" are extremely judgmental. They miss the whole point of what Christ said. They tend to over complicate their role as a follower, believer, servant of Christ or whatever they choose to describe themselves. Basically, Christ put it in plain simple terms. We are are born imperfect beings (sinners) and ALL we needs to do to save ourselves, is to claim him as our Lord and Savior. As well as try to lead a life according to his teachings. Some tend to forget the simple pointers such as "let he\she that is without sin cast the first stone" or "judge not lest ye be judged". Being imperfect beings some succumb to being very judgmental which I think gives them a feeling of superiority or power. This is not to say that I am a advocate for the Christian belief(s) just my humble opinion on it.

[Boomchild]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.

Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.

So, we know for sure that each and every person affected by this tragic, horrific event believes in a "God". I think that's a stretch. Where else will they go for support? Their loved ones, friends, strangers that can sympathize with their loss and professionals that are experienced in helping people who have had such things happen to them. And speaking of God, he does not always provide answers. Also, yes i believe that some may be debating or discussing guns laws since guns were part of the reason their loved ones died.

[majik]

Handing out guns to teachers? Are all you people completely retarded?

The statistics doesn't lie. More guns = more gun fatalities. All the second amendment yammering doesn't mean much, when people die needlessly. Not to mention the harm caused by the American gun manufacturing and the subsequent export to Mexico.

What would Jesus do?

Tell you to stop using his name in vain.

Jesus and GI Jim: 1, Parfait: NOTHING!

Jesus would tell you to love your enemies. Anyone feeling any love for the gunman? No, didn't think so.

Duncan Jesus was the only perfect one. We can only strive to be the best we can as people. But as the bible says...for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. If you think that because one is a Christian they are going to be perfect that is not going to happen. And no I don't hate the gunman but I hate what he did. I hate that he could ruin so many lives including his own. You love the sinner and hate the sin. It is natural for people to get angry at someone for such an awful thing...but later with contemplation you see that feeling that way serves no purpose. I was angry as the next person, but I realize that is the wrong response. I am not perfect and I have wrong thoughts and actions at times. Hate is a strong word that carries too much energy and takes too much power over you as a person. If he was mentally ill can we truly see that he did this without understanding what he was doing? I think in time if the case was he was disturbed as awful as it is we have to have pity on his soul. Only God knows his heart and weather or not he was in the right state of mind at the time. I am glad he cannot do any more harm.

Can you say you are perfect and never have a bad thought or feeling? Christians are just humans trying to do the right thing. Doesn't mean we do what is right all the time. We can only try. And yes we fail often.

Weren't you the one saying you were glad he was dead and that he was in hell? Is that love the sinner hate the sin? Having said that, the idea that you can seperate a person from his actions, is to my mind, extremely disturbing.

Apparently your reading skills are lacking. I don't care what YOU find disturbing, I find it more disturbing that your taking a simple joke and trying to make it into an anti-religious debate. Not going there Duncan.

Then remove the religion from it. Wishing someone were dead is disrespecting life...and is the same attitude that the shooter had....regardless of who said it and why, it's wrong.

Really ??
Remove religion from it. Do you think the families directly involved in this shooting are sitting around debating gun laws.
I'm sure wether they are believers or not they are all asking God WHY!!!!...... why did this happen to my family, where else are they going to turn only to God and religion. Keep religion out of it yeah.

So, we know for sure that each and every person affected by this tragic, horrific event believes in a "God". I think that's a stretch. Where else will they go for support? Their loved ones, friends, strangers that can sympathize with their loss and professionals that are experienced in helping people who have had such things happen to them. And speaking of God, he does not always provide answers. Also, yes i believe that some may be debating or discussing guns laws since guns were part of the reason their loved ones died.

I never said they are all believers, I mentioned believers and unbelievers turning to God for answers. The sympathy of friends and strangers you talk of will fade soon enough.
Guns are not the reason people died guns were the method used. God doesn't provide answers at all that was my point, it was said in the context of keeping religion out of it but you knew that. As for professionals helping I'm afraid they are totally inadequate too.

[majik]

Simplistic is fictional lol

Yeah, LOL...cuz that is NOT what I said. I said, "simplistic AND fictional". That does not mean that the two words have the same meaning.

simplistic is actual

In the context of my statement, simplistic is taking a situation and removing the complexities of emotion and extraneous thought.

It's fiction because that is not what people do. People do not sit about in some type of meditated state forever...they eventually react with their thoughts and feelings.

adding story after story is drama and the mind is totally addicted to the buzz that drama brings. Freedom from that is real life but you can have the drama and fantasy if you enjoy that burden. Give me simple any time.

You're wrong.

Despite what you want, people live how THEY want. When something dramatic like a shooting happens, most people react dramatically...that is human nature and it's not going to change. Freedom from that is called seclusion and isolation. If you believe being a recluse is "living your life", that's fine...but I doubt most people agree.

Removing thought is not meditation, it is allowing thought to be here in the moment instead of wrestling with it trying to push it away empowering it further. When thought is allowed to be as it is in this way it looses its power and addictiveness. This in turn may reduce emotional involvement if it doesn't emotions are not pushed away either they are allowed to be... they exist why do battle with them empowering them to the point of as you say take action causing severe damage to yourself or someone else. Thats life is it??

That is very much not what I was talking about. You can meditate all you want...but eventually you either believe in God and Jesus, or not...you either believe in Tao and that all life is precious and should be cherished, or not. You can not believe in all things, and some things you do believe. That is not a 'struggle" or "battle". It is living life. Not making any decisions is avoiding life.;

The fork in the road analogy doesn't make sense, why choose the left or right fork in the road when as you say whichever road you choose contains your destiny. But complicate your life further if you want to wrestle and pretend you have choice.

You are saying you DO NOT have a choice on what road to take in your life? That makes no sense at all.

I also did not say it "contains" your destiny. People make their own destiny by the choices they make in their life. Whatever road you choose, that is your destiny. Stated in that simplistic way, it is not even an opinion, it's a fact.

"In the matter you speak of, destiny, there is no such thing as chance. For which ever way you choose, right or left, it must lead to an end. And that end is our destiny." --Master Po.

Not only have you misinterpreted my post but you also took the opportunity to re-interpreted your own and by the way you did say contains your destiny I've re-read the original post, thats a white lie there also my friend.
In regard to choice, there is either choice right across the board or there is not, no in between or limited choice. Did you choose to wake up this morning or did it just happen, do you choose to breathe or does it just happen ? well choose not to breathe and see how that goes for you. There is no choice anywhere to be found when examined
closely, thats all pretend so the I which is EGO can feel in control.
Oh! Master Po was a fictional tv character grasshopper pure fiction thats living is it, living in tv land maybe.

As for your statement "not making any decisions is avoiding life" well thats crap, it is being in the flow of life and being at ease with whatever presents itself. at one with what IS. The Tao is not something to believe in and what it is cannot be spoken of but it can be KNOWN. You know nothing about meditation or the Tao try again grasshopper.
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