American Idol 2010

[G.I.Jim]

[quote="G.I.Jim"
Journey has nothing to do with Adam's screeching, tongue sticking out vocals. Yeah, he has a high vocal range, but to me he still sucks. To me, there's more to being a great singer besides which octave you can get to. His theatrics are also something that turn me away from his music. But hey... I'm not telling anyone else not to support him. If you like that sort of thing... that's on you.

A big difference here is that Journey WRITES their songs. They arrange them, and they got to their level of success by hard work and YEARS of constant touring and recording. Not by getting up onstage and basically winning a popularity contest. I'm willing to bet that we'll hear one more follow up to Adams album (well you might, but I wont!), then he disappears. Just my $.02.

Jim, comparing musicians isn't something I do. If I like 'em I like 'em and if I don't, I don't listen. To deny Adam's talent is whack, (as Whitney would say, LOL), and I'm not saying anyone has to like anyone else, but you're a musician and you can hear well enough to know that Adam can sing.

And actually, when critics try to gut Journey, they always talk about Steve Perry's over the top vocals and Popera style. I'm sure David Bowie's theatrics turned many people off, as do the theatrics of Kiss and every other band that has used them. Hell, even Freddy Mercury got skewered for his style, and he's one of the greatest rock voices in the history of music.

And Adam does write and co-write alot, but when a label owns you, you do what the label says.











I simply don't understand the need to belittle other people's musical taste from people, that's what my post is about and glass houses of course.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying Bobby, but Freddy Mercury never grabbed his male musicians onstage and made out with them. Even though most people knew he was gay, he didn't shove it in people's face for shock value. He let people judge him for his musicianship, unlike Adam. Freddy was amazing as a musician, a singer AND a songwriter. Just saying.

[Jana]

[quote="G.I.Jim"
Journey has nothing to do with Adam's screeching, tongue sticking out vocals. Yeah, he has a high vocal range, but to me he still sucks. To me, there's more to being a great singer besides which octave you can get to. His theatrics are also something that turn me away from his music. But hey... I'm not telling anyone else not to support him. If you like that sort of thing... that's on you.

A big difference here is that Journey WRITES their songs. They arrange them, and they got to their level of success by hard work and YEARS of constant touring and recording. Not by getting up onstage and basically winning a popularity contest. I'm willing to bet that we'll hear one more follow up to Adams album (well you might, but I wont!), then he disappears. Just my $.02.

Jim, comparing musicians isn't something I do. If I like 'em I like 'em and if I don't, I don't listen. To deny Adam's talent is whack, (as Whitney would say, LOL), and I'm not saying anyone has to like anyone else, but you're a musician and you can hear well enough to know that Adam can sing.

And actually, when critics try to gut Journey, they always talk about Steve Perry's over the top vocals and Popera style. I'm sure David Bowie's theatrics turned many people off, as do the theatrics of Kiss and every other band that has used them. Hell, even Freddy Mercury got skewered for his style, and he's one of the greatest rock voices in the history of music.

And Adam does write and co-write alot, but when a label owns you, you do what the label says.
I simply don't understand the need to belittle other people's musical taste from people, that's what my post is about and glass houses of course.[/quote]

And he will co-write more of the next album. They always do after this show. To take away his talent for that is silly b/c that would be taking away from the girl who won who is the country music star. I don't like some of his thin vocal screeching, but Adam's cd is great and that type of vocal is at a minimal. And he is mesmerizing on stage, a true star. This guy was in the business for quite a while, so paid his dues. This business is much harder to crack nowadays than years ago. Acts are disposable. However you can get a break. He will not be a flash in the pan.

[Jana]

[quote="G.I.Jim"
Journey has nothing to do with Adam's screeching, tongue sticking out vocals. Yeah, he has a high vocal range, but to me he still sucks. To me, there's more to being a great singer besides which octave you can get to. His theatrics are also something that turn me away from his music. But hey... I'm not telling anyone else not to support him. If you like that sort of thing... that's on you.

A big difference here is that Journey WRITES their songs. They arrange them, and they got to their level of success by hard work and YEARS of constant touring and recording. Not by getting up onstage and basically winning a popularity contest. I'm willing to bet that we'll hear one more follow up to Adams album (well you might, but I wont!), then he disappears. Just my $.02.

Jim, comparing musicians isn't something I do. If I like 'em I like 'em and if I don't, I don't listen. To deny Adam's talent is whack, (as Whitney would say, LOL), and I'm not saying anyone has to like anyone else, but you're a musician and you can hear well enough to know that Adam can sing.

And actually, when critics try to gut Journey, they always talk about Steve Perry's over the top vocals and Popera style. I'm sure David Bowie's theatrics turned many people off, as do the theatrics of Kiss and every other band that has used them. Hell, even Freddy Mercury got skewered for his style, and he's one of the greatest rock voices in the history of music.

And Adam does write and co-write alot, but when a label owns you, you do what the label says.











I simply don't understand the need to belittle other people's musical taste from people, that's what my post is about and glass houses of course.

I understand what you're saying Bobby, but Freddy Mercury never grabbed his male musicians onstage and made out with them. Even though most people knew he was gay, he didn't shove it in people's face for shock value. He let people judge him for his musicianship, unlike Adam. Freddy was amazing as a musician, a singer AND a songwriter. Just saying. [/quote]

You're stuck on one performance, not the whole of his performances. I hate when people do that.

[Jana]

Adam on Regis and Kelly. A star. Stunning vocals.

Mad World - http://www.youtube.com/v/3Er9V7FqL6U&hl=en

After the controversy, he appeared on the Morning Show showing he didn't need any shock to show off his new songs - Whataya Want From Me:

http://www.youtube.com/v/OXSUJ176qc8&hl=en

[Jana]

adam lambert = unplugged - VH1 performance of Broken Open

http://www.youtube.com/v/Bdlqv2kmjJs&hl=en

[BobbyinTN]

I understand what you're saying Bobby, but Freddy Mercury never grabbed his male musicians onstage and made out with them. Even though most people knew he was gay, he didn't shove it in people's face for shock value. He let people judge him for his musicianship, unlike Adam. Freddy was amazing as a musician, a singer AND a songwriter. Just saying.

Well, I think judging him on his sexuality or how he expresses it is horrible. I think Shakira is one of the filthiest people I've ever seen on stage and acts like she's fuckin' everything in site, but I still like some of her music. Madonna has done much worse than Adam ever dreamed of on stage and off and the cameras have caught most of it. Hell, in almost every early photo of Journey you can cearly see the outline of their dicks through their pants, the same with most every male performer from the 70's and early 80's.

Face it, today is different and performers will do most anything on the stage if they think they can get away with it.

We all remember the rumors about Rod Stewart having his stomach pumped and Freddy's trysts with boys of every age. My point is, the actions of a singer/songwriter/musician has nothing to do with how talented they are.

[BobbyinTN]

[quote="G.I.Jim"
Journey has nothing to do with Adam's screeching, tongue sticking out vocals. Yeah, he has a high vocal range, but to me he still sucks. To me, there's more to being a great singer besides which octave you can get to. His theatrics are also something that turn me away from his music. But hey... I'm not telling anyone else not to support him. If you like that sort of thing... that's on you.

A big difference here is that Journey WRITES their songs. They arrange them, and they got to their level of success by hard work and YEARS of constant touring and recording. Not by getting up onstage and basically winning a popularity contest. I'm willing to bet that we'll hear one more follow up to Adams album (well you might, but I wont!), then he disappears. Just my $.02.

Jim, comparing musicians isn't something I do. If I like 'em I like 'em and if I don't, I don't listen. To deny Adam's talent is whack, (as Whitney would say, LOL), and I'm not saying anyone has to like anyone else, but you're a musician and you can hear well enough to know that Adam can sing.

And actually, when critics try to gut Journey, they always talk about Steve Perry's over the top vocals and Popera style. I'm sure David Bowie's theatrics turned many people off, as do the theatrics of Kiss and every other band that has used them. Hell, even Freddy Mercury got skewered for his style, and he's one of the greatest rock voices in the history of music.

And Adam does write and co-write alot, but when a label owns you, you do what the label says.
I simply don't understand the need to belittle other people's musical taste from people, that's what my post is about and glass houses of course.

And he will co-write more of the next album. They always do after this show. To take away his talent for that is silly b/c that would be taking away from the girl who won who is the country music star. I don't like some of his thin vocal screeching, but Adam's cd is great and that type of vocal is at a minimal. And he is mesmerizing on stage, a true star. This guy was in the business for quite a while, so paid his dues. This business is much harder to crack nowadays than years ago. Acts are disposable. However you can get a break. He will not be a flash in the pan.[/quote]











Right on Jana!!

[squirt1]

Adam has too big of a worldwide following to fade after a 2nd album. The concerts are selling out fast. Some in minutes. I thought Time for Miracles was his best until I heard Can't let you go. The producer said Adam literally was on his knees pulling those notes out. Glad I haven't purchased his album yet ,so I can get the U K version.All concerts around the world are on YouTube. They sang along at times in English. Funny how people comment when they are clueless to facts.

[Don]

Adam seems to be a hit in the UK and Japan. He is going to make money in his career, it just might come from overseas more so than the U.S.

[S2M]

Adam has too big of a worldwide following to fade after a 2nd album. The concerts are selling out fast. Some in minutes. I thought Time for Miracles was his best until I heard Can't let you go. The producer said Adam literally was on his knees pulling those notes out. Glad I haven't purchased his album yet ,so I can get the U K version.All concerts around the world are on YouTube. They sang along at times in English. Funny how people comment when they are clueless to facts.

Clueless to what facts, that his only cache' is vested in shock value? He is controversial, leads an alternative lifestyle, and can only scream his lyrics doing his best Michael Jordan impersonation...I'm willing to bet his voice goes through more electric gizmos than Phyllis uses on a Saturday evening....and every gay in the world is lined up hoping to get tickets to a show so they can see him/her grab crotch and fantasize that Adam is singing his songs for that fan, personally...oh, and hoping they get tagged to go backstage and whore it up with that untalented Bowie/Gabriel wannabe......

[Jana]

Adam has too big of a worldwide following to fade after a 2nd album. The concerts are selling out fast. Some in minutes. I thought Time for Miracles was his best until I heard Can't let you go. The producer said Adam literally was on his knees pulling those notes out. Glad I haven't purchased his album yet ,so I can get the U K version.All concerts around the world are on YouTube. They sang along at times in English. Funny how people comment when they are clueless to facts.

So true.

[squirt1]

Wasn't talking to you Stockton, but since your comment ,I can see how you thought it was for you.

[Jana]

Love this one especially: Can't Let You Go - http://www.youtube.com/v/tAkpG5-X-hg&hl=en

Time for Miracles - http://www.youtube.com/v/gq3X1lfMxpA&hl=en

[BobbyinTN]

Love this one especially: Can't Let You Go - http://www.youtube.com/v/tAkpG5-X-hg&hl=en

Time for Miracles - http://www.youtube.com/v/gq3X1lfMxpA&hl=en

WOW! "Can't Let You Go" is awesome Jana. Thanks for that.

[Triple S]

Adam has too big of a worldwide following to fade after a 2nd album. The concerts are selling out fast. Some in minutes. I thought Time for Miracles was his best until I heard Can't let you go. The producer said Adam literally was on his knees pulling those notes out. Glad I haven't purchased his album yet ,so I can get the U K version.All concerts around the world are on YouTube. They sang along at times in English. Funny how people comment when they are clueless to facts.

Clueless to what facts, that his only cache' is vested in shock value? He is controversial, leads an alternative lifestyle, and can only scream his lyrics doing his best Michael Jordan impersonation...I'm willing to bet his voice goes through more electric gizmos than Phyllis uses on a Saturday evening....and every gay in the world is lined up hoping to get tickets to a show so they can see him/her grab crotch and fantasize that Adam is singing his songs for that fan, personally...oh, and hoping they get tagged to go backstage and whore it up with that untalented Bowie/Gabriel wannabe......

BS - have you even watched any of his recent live performances, especially his 'acoustic' sets??? (and which one of your favorite singers do you fantasize about when you watch them?)

And for the Adam fans here, here's another cut from the deluxe version of his CD - Voodoo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-h3drpUdlY

I like this one!!!

[Jana]

Adam has too big of a worldwide following to fade after a 2nd album. The concerts are selling out fast. Some in minutes. I thought Time for Miracles was his best until I heard Can't let you go. The producer said Adam literally was on his knees pulling those notes out. Glad I haven't purchased his album yet ,so I can get the U K version.All concerts around the world are on YouTube. They sang along at times in English. Funny how people comment when they are clueless to facts.

Clueless to what facts, that his only cache' is vested in shock value? He is controversial, leads an alternative lifestyle, and can only scream his lyrics doing his best Michael Jordan impersonation...I'm willing to bet his voice goes through more electric gizmos than Phyllis uses on a Saturday evening....and every gay in the world is lined up hoping to get tickets to a show so they can see him/her grab crotch and fantasize that Adam is singing his songs for that fan, personally...oh, and hoping they get tagged to go backstage and whore it up with that untalented Bowie/Gabriel wannabe......

BS - have you even watched any of his recent live performances, especially his 'acoustic' sets??? (and which one of your favorite singers do you fantasize about when you watch them?)

And for the Adam fans here, here's another cut from the deluxe version of his CD - Voodoo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-h3drpUdlY

I like this one!!!

I posted an acoustic song up above and then a few other songs. I'm sure he listened to none of them. That would take away from his electronic gizmo theories.

[squirt1]

Stockton- let me know when you can sing the 2 songs Jana put up by Adam. That would be interesting to hear.

[S2M]

Stockton- let me know when you can sing the 2 songs Jana put up by Adam. That would be interesting to hear.

LOL...and when YOU take and pass a philosophy course that includes the word logic.....let ME know.

[BobbyinTN]

Logic has nothing to do with rational and musical taste. To belittle someone else's musical taste is the same mentality of a 3rd grader bragging his daddy can beat up your daddy.

[S2M]

Logic has nothing to do with rational and musical taste. To belittle someone else's musical taste is the same mentality of a 3rd grader bragging his daddy can beat up your daddy.

No, but asking if *I* could sing the two songs he posted as evidence that Adam is a great singer is a fallacious endeavor....so yes, logic comes into play....game over. Please insert another quarter:...

[BobbyinTN]

Logic has nothing to do with rational and musical taste. To belittle someone else's musical taste is the same mentality of a 3rd grader bragging his daddy can beat up your daddy.

No, but asking if *I* could sing the two songs he posted as evidence that Adam is a great singer is a fallacious endeavor....so yes, logic comes into play....game over. Please insert another quarter:...

LMAO!! Well, Adam can sing. And if you don't think he can sing, then I'd like to hear what you think "singing" is, and who can do it correctly.

Taste is cool. Don't like 'em, don't listen. But claiming that an obviously talented singer can't sing is admitting to being tone deaf.

[G.I.Jim]

Logic has nothing to do with rational and musical taste. To belittle someone else's musical taste is the same mentality of a 3rd grader bragging his daddy can beat up your daddy.

No, but asking if *I* could sing the two songs he posted as evidence that Adam is a great singer is a fallacious endeavor....so yes, logic comes into play....game over. Please insert another quarter:...

LMAO!! Well, Adam can sing. And if you don't think he can sing, then I'd like to hear what you think "singing" is, and who can do it correctly.

Taste is cool. Don't like 'em, don't listen. But claiming that an obviously talented singer can't sing is admitting to being tone deaf.

Bobby, if he was straight, would it bother you as much by me saying he is where he is because of shock value? Why does it bother you so much? Marilyn Manson is a fucking retard in my book too! When he has to act like such a freak to get an audience... how is that talent? I'm not saying Adam can't sing, because he can AT TIMES. When he sticks his damn tongue out and screeches, I think he sounds like utter shit.

It's my opinion, and my opinion and $2.00 will buy me a cup of coffee somewhere. You're free to have your own opinion also. Don't tell me I'm wrong though, because my opinion doesn't line up with yours.


If you want to see two grown men making out on stage... that's your prerogative. I don't, and most people in this country don't want to see that shit. If someone wants to lead that lifestyle, I won't knock them for it. It's their decision. At the same time, I don't want it thrown in my face like I'm supposed to accept it and have no problem with it. You know I've never had any problem with you being gay, but I get sick of people in this country acting like straight people are in the wrong for not wanting it around them and in their faces.

And how many years did Adam sing in clubs or bars? I don't recall him doing anything except theater, but I could be wrong. Being an actor in plays is not paying your dues to the music industry... it's paying your dues in the acting scene. If I'm wrong here, then I stand corrected. Just my $.02

[journey361]

Sorry but there are some people here bashing Adam Lambert that really have no clue what goes in to parts of a engine or a balanced scoring attack. Stating negative comments concerning A TECHNICALLY SKILLED VOCALIST (Adam Lambert). There is a reason you are bashing Adam Lambert and i'm sure you like some, are over looking greatness because of a reason or your blowing smoke.
I'm going to try and explain something to you and if you don't like him thats one thing, but he is clearly one of a kind, maybe ever. First, vibrato is one part of that engine i was referring to earlier. It makes a singer not only sound jaw dropping, but it can lead to another skill in your trade which we are talking vocals.
You get incline to perfection (Steve Perry) if you are blessed with this gift or you have mastered it which can both be done. Adam Lambert not only has one of the best vibratos in music today, he will use it throughout his career and you as the public seem to take that tool for granted or not understand it's power.
Second, Lambert's falsetto which he used before Idol MORE is pretty frick'en brilliant and will be there for when he decide's to unleash it throughout his career. Unlike Perry, Lambert is a borderline 4 octave project with ballanced professional upbringing. What i mean by this is he won't overdue it and hasn't, but rather spread it out over his career. He's been told to do this by his instruckters and coaches and it's paid off because his smooth level of singing is crystall clear. No pitch problems there.
Third, he's at the beginning of all this commercial-bullshit career that all those 80's singers and bands would always complain or bitch about back in the day. He will change and improve his tool of trade as freedom and experience gets here. To say he is a normal or average singer is really as silly as it gets. No matter what level your talking, R&B, ROCK, ELETRIC/POP OR REALLY ANYTHING, HE CAN BRING IT AND BRING IT BETTER THAN MOST IF NOT ANYONE TODAY. He's that good.
Screeching is just a rock and roll trademark that the infinity of singers throughout the music business have always done and will always do. Lambert has always had that and it's really a copout to think it sounds horrible for the fact it's probably better than your favorite singers but again, you won't admit it. He's gay yes, i could care less. As of right this second, he's the best technically skilled singer for a male that there is. And he just crossed over to rock/pop after being a theater singer for the most part to make money to pay the rent (LOL). I'm shocked he didn't make it before idol but it is what it is and this is 2010, not 1970.

[S2M]

Sorry but there are some people here bashing Adam Lambert that really have no clue what goes in to parts of a engine or a balanced scoring attack. Stating negative comments concerning A TECHNICALLY SKILLED VOCALIST (Adam Lambert). There is a reason you are bashing Adam Lambert and i'm sure you like some, are over looking greatness because of a reason or your blowing smoke.
I'm going to try and explain something to you and if you don't like him thats one thing, but he is clearly one of a kind, maybe ever. First, vibrato is one part of that engine i was referring to earlier. It makes a singer not only sound jaw dropping, but it can lead to another skill in your trade which we are talking vocals.
You get incline to perfection (Steve Perry) if you are blessed with this gift or you have mastered it which can both be done. Adam Lambert not only has one of the best vibratos in music today, he will use it throughout his career and you as the public seem to take that tool for granted or not understand it's power.
Second, Lambert's falsetto which he used before Idol MORE is pretty frick'en brilliant and will be there for when he decide's to unleash it throughout his career. Unlike Perry, Lambert is a borderline 4 octave project with ballanced professional upbringing. What i mean by this is he won't overdue it and hasn't, but rather spread it out over his career. He's been told to do this by his instruckters and coaches and it's paid off because his smooth level of singing is crystall clear. No pitch problems there.
Third, he's at the beginning of all this commercial-bullshit career that all those 80's singers and bands would always complain or bitch about back in the day. He will change and improve his tool of trade as freedom and experience gets here. To say he is a normal or average singer is really as silly as it gets. No matter what level your talking, R&B, ROCK, ELETRIC/POP OR REALLY ANYTHING, HE CAN BRING IT AND BRING IT BETTER THAN MOST IF NOT ANYONE TODAY. He's that good.
Screeching is just a rock and roll trademark that the infinity of singers throughout the music business have always done and will always do. Lambert has always had that and it's really a copout to think it sounds horrible for the fact it's probably better than your favorite singers but again, you won't admit it. He's gay yes, i could care less. As of right this second, he's the best technically skilled singer for a male that there is. And he just crossed over to rock/pop after being a theater singer for the most part to make money to pay the rent (LOL). I'm shocked he didn't make it before idol but it is what it is and this is 2010, not 1970.

In the future, please include Rosetta Stone with your posts...thanks.

[journey361]

Sorry, i forgot and tried to make my point in a hurry.

[Don]

No need to hurry, the internet's not going anywhere.

[Triple S]

[Bobby, if he was straight, would it bother you as much by me saying he is where he is because of shock value? Why does it bother you so much? Marilyn Manson is a fucking retard in my book too! When he has to act like such a freak to get an audience... how is that talent? I'm not saying Adam can't sing, because he can AT TIMES. When he sticks his damn tongue out and screeches, I think he sounds like utter shit.

It's my opinion, and my opinion and $2.00 will buy me a cup of coffee somewhere. You're free to have your own opinion also. Don't tell me I'm wrong though, because my opinion doesn't line up with yours.


If you want to see two grown men making out on stage... that's your prerogative. I don't, and most people in this country don't want to see that shit.

He did it once (as far as I know), if you're referring to that awards show - it's not the case that his tour and set is based on 'making out on stage with another guy'. Seems he'll forever be remembered by some for that lapse in judgement, rather than anything else he has done or accomplished.

And it seems he has also learned to not stick his tongue out quite so much, from the videos I've seen

[journey361]

I'm at work and had to hurry.

[Deb]

He did it once (as far as I know), if you're referring to that awards show - it's not the case that his tour and set is based on 'making out on stage with another guy'. Seems he'll forever be remembered by some for that lapse in judgement, rather than anything else he has done or accomplished.

And it seems he has also learned to not stick his tongue out quite so much, from the videos I've seen

True, he was saying in an interview he just got caught up in the lyrics. It's quite a sexual song. The lyrics are quite frisky and fun and like he told Oprah, he just got a little frisky and fun. It could have been a guy or girl dancer. While I'm not into watching two guys kiss, I dig his passion for the music. Geesh I've seen MUCH worse on tv.

Sue me, but I dig the song.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsPFDzAGb4A

[Duncan]

This guy was on American idol and his album is really good. Not into the lyrics, but good songs nevertheless.

Reuben Bidez

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