Yes We Can ! ;)

[Michigan Girl]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

You're Free, right ...we pay for your ass!!

[KenTheDude]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Do something that gets you thrown in jail. They get everything free and don't pay taxes. Some of them even have it better than some of our troops that are deployed. Now that's really messed up.

[Everett]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Do something that gets you thrown in jail. They get everything free and don't pay taxes. Some of them even have it better than some of our troops that are deployed. Now that's really messed up.

I wouldn't last an hr in the big house

[lights1961]

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you know.... someone has to do it!
I AM LAMO...

and I am trying to work this morning at the same time.... multitasking this morning!!

That might be one GOOD thing this board has taught us to be! Good multi-taskers

right I can sell $10,000 hawaii package and post a brilliant mr post witht the other...all at the same time just saying...
now when I get carpet tunnel syndrom will the govt pay for my treatment!! I mean as long as its passed... might as well use the damn thing... for every stupid little illness...
a cough... go to the clinic... a cut on the finger...dont use your own bandaid... get one from the govt... and the list will go on...

Rick, you simply do not understand what the bill entails. You obviously have gotten your information from people who do not like the bill and are smearing the truths, with lies, deception and flat out bullshit.


If you have insurance, you don't have to worry about a thing, except that if you get sick, and/or really sick, just know that you can't be dropped by your insurer nor can they jack up the premiums on you. Again, I don't understand why you are so bent out of shape on this. It's only going to help you, it won't harm you.

You really need to understand this from someone who knows what is really in the bill. Rush and Sean aren't telling you the truth. It's pretty obvious that they got to you. It's a shame too, because there is a lot of good in this thing.

What did our parents say... if its too good to be true... it usually is... thats what I think of this bill.... I cant wait for the screaming from the same people who love this bill today... in about 3 -4 years...if I am wrong, like I said in earlier post... I will come in here and say I was wrong to hate the bill...

[KenTheDude]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Do something that gets you thrown in jail. They get everything free and don't pay taxes. Some of them even have it better than some of our troops that are deployed. Now that's really messed up.

I wouldn't last an hr in the big house

Even if BabyBlue came for conjugal visits?

[Rockindeano]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Read up on it dude. If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

[Rockindeano]

What did our parents say... if its too good to be true... it usually is... thats what I think of this bill.... I cant wait for the screaming from the same people who love this bill today... in about 3 -4 years...if I am wrong, like I said in earlier post... I will come in here and say I was wrong to hate the bill...

Whatever Rick. Keep your mind closed and keep being bitter. Your loss.

[Everett]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Do something that gets you thrown in jail. They get everything free and don't pay taxes. Some of them even have it better than some of our troops that are deployed. Now that's really messed up.

I wouldn't last an hr in the big house

Even if BabyBlue came for conjugal visits?

lmao nope that still wouldn't matter.

[Everett]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Read up on it dude. If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

Well seeing is i won't get benefits until next year (assuming i'm still there i wouldn't know )

[lights1961]

THIS ARTICLE SAYS IT ALL... AS I said yesterday... 90% of the public will think its free... they go to the doctor...pay a co pay...

and whammo no worries about the costs... WOW. just wow... BE VERY ILL ABOUT THIS JOHN Q PUBLIC... we will end up paying the devil for all of this in the end...

DEANO I will end up being right about all this...


Having insurance 'going to be like Christmas'


Posted: 6:16 p.m. yesterday
Updated: 7:00 p.m. yesterday

Durham, N.C. — Uninsured Triangle residents said Monday that they eagerly await the overhaul of the nation's health care system.

"It's just going to be like Christmas," said DeCarlo Flythe, who lost health coverage for his family when he was laid off almost three years ago. "It's going to be great. You know, no worries (about) the bills. We are going to go ahead and pay our co-pay and be alright."

WATCH VIDEO
Job losses left many people uninsured
Flythe, a diabetic, said he checked into buying a policy for his family, but he couldn't afford it. He recently landed another job, but the new benefits haven't kicked in yet.

"I worry day to day, honestly," he said. "I pray to make sure my child or my wife don't' get sick because, if they go to the hospital, we are looking at a couple of thousand (dollars in bills)."

Flythe was among the patients Monday at the Walltown Clinic, a joint program of Duke University and Lincoln Community Health Center that serves the low-income neighborhoods near Duke's campus. The clinic serves 3,000 to 4,000 patients a year – 80 percent don't have health insurance – and charges co-pays based on what patients can afford.

"People will come in and say, 'I suddenly don't have a job. I've lost my insurance. Can you help me?'" said Kaity Granda, a physician's assistant at the clinic.

Norman Rucker said he hasn't had health insurance in almost 10 years because his employers haven't offered it.

"I'm not a person who gets sick a lot, so I didn't think I'd need any medicine," said Rucker, who racked up about $100,000 in hospital bills over that period by going to the emergency room whenever he needed care. "I'm trying to pay them off. Collection agencies call me all the time."

Rucker's wife has insurance, but the couple couldn't afford to put him on the policy. Now, he's excited he may also have coverage because of health care reform.

"It'll make the world better. It'll make us all better, actually," he said.

[Michigan Girl]

The only thing i hate about this bill is that it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Please tell me how am i supposed to afford that?

and fuckin obama booted the rest of the price is right again

Read up on it dude. If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

We can all do this?!?!

[bluejeangirl76]

If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

Presently, the insurance through my employer is too expensive for me... so what you saying is, theoretically, with this bill insurance premiums should start coming down overall?

[Rockindeano]

If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

Presently, the insurance through my employer is too expensive for me... so what you saying is, theoretically, with this bill insurance premiums should start coming down overall?

Yes.

Your employer will have a chance to buy or re-buy insurance from huge pools, thus saving itself shitloads of money, and therefore passing the savings on to you. Also, with your cheaper(more affordable) insurance, if you (gasp), happen to use it, and perhaps even use it frequently, the insurance companies won't be able to jack up your premiums(fuck you over for no reason), with bullshit reasons and excuses. Aren't you with a big Hotel chain? I would have thought they would offer you sweet deals? Oh well, it's coming, don't worry.

[conversationpc]

You really need to understand this from someone who knows what is really in the bill. Rush and Sean aren't telling you the truth. It's pretty obvious that they got to you. It's a shame too, because there is a lot of good in this thing.

Have you read the bill? Do you really know what's in it? Heck, we know for a fact that none of the politicians who voted for it know what the heck is in it. How scary is it that the people we're supposed to trust to make the right decision are not even reading the very bills they're voting on?

[bluejeangirl76]

If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

Presently, the insurance through my employer is too expensive for me... so what you saying is, theoretically, with this bill insurance premiums should start coming down overall?

Yes.

Your employer will have a chance to buy or re-buy insurance from huge pools, thus saving itself shitloads of money, and therefore passing the savings on to you. Also, with your cheaper(more affordable) insurance, if you (gasp), happen to use it, and perhaps even use it frequently, the insurance companies won't be able to jack up your premiums(fuck you over for no reason), with bullshit reasons and excuses. Aren't you with a big Hotel chain? I would have thought they would offer you sweet deals? Oh well, it's coming, don't worry.

Yes but we aren't corporately managed. The insurance and all that is through the management/ownership. Hence... problems.

[Jana]

If you are working, then you will have the opportunity to buy through your employer, and your employer, who must offer you insurance, will do so cheap, because he/she will be able to buy in large huge pools, thus getting the insurance real inexpensive. Basically, you won't have any problems. And if it is too expensive for you to buy through your job, you pay 365 dollars a year(fine). That is 30 bucks a month to pay for health insurance. pretty sweet deal isn't it?

Presently, the insurance through my employer is too expensive for me... so what you saying is, theoretically, with this bill insurance premiums should start coming down overall?

Yes.

Your employer will have a chance to buy or re-buy insurance from huge pools, thus saving itself shitloads of money, and therefore passing the savings on to you. Also, with your cheaper(more affordable) insurance, if you (gasp), happen to use it, and perhaps even use it frequently, the insurance companies won't be able to jack up your premiums(fuck you over for no reason), with bullshit reasons and excuses. Aren't you with a big Hotel chain? I would have thought they would offer you sweet deals? Oh well, it's coming, don't worry.

Yes but we aren't corporately managed. The insurance and all that is through the management/ownership. Hence... problems.

Then always get, at least, catastrophic coverage on your own, which is affordable (and you're young enough that it should be all you need, hopefully), if you can't afford their full insurance, Kim. If something were to have happened to you that incurred major hospital care or bills your parents probably would have to have mortgaged themselves to the hilt to get you the best care b/c you weren't covered. It was always drilled into me that I have to have some form of coverage from the moment I left my parents' insurance. Of course, hopefully now this will bring down the cost for full coverage for you.

[Rockindeano]

THIS ARTICLE SAYS IT ALL... AS I said yesterday... 90% of the public will think its free... they go to the doctor...pay a co pay...

and whammo no worries about the costs... WOW. just wow... BE VERY ILL ABOUT THIS JOHN Q PUBLIC... we will end up paying the devil for all of this in the end...

DEANO I will end up being right about all this...


Having insurance 'going to be like Christmas'


Posted: 6:16 p.m. yesterday
Updated: 7:00 p.m. yesterday

Durham, N.C. — Uninsured Triangle residents said Monday that they eagerly await the overhaul of the nation's health care system.

"It's just going to be like Christmas," said DeCarlo Flythe, who lost health coverage for his family when he was laid off almost three years ago. "It's going to be great. You know, no worries (about) the bills. We are going to go ahead and pay our co-pay and be alright."

WATCH VIDEO
Job losses left many people uninsured
Flythe, a diabetic, said he checked into buying a policy for his family, but he couldn't afford it. He recently landed another job, but the new benefits haven't kicked in yet.

"I worry day to day, honestly," he said. "I pray to make sure my child or my wife don't' get sick because, if they go to the hospital, we are looking at a couple of thousand (dollars in bills)."

Flythe was among the patients Monday at the Walltown Clinic, a joint program of Duke University and Lincoln Community Health Center that serves the low-income neighborhoods near Duke's campus. The clinic serves 3,000 to 4,000 patients a year – 80 percent don't have health insurance – and charges co-pays based on what patients can afford.

"People will come in and say, 'I suddenly don't have a job. I've lost my insurance. Can you help me?'" said Kaity Granda, a physician's assistant at the clinic.

Norman Rucker said he hasn't had health insurance in almost 10 years because his employers haven't offered it.

"I'm not a person who gets sick a lot, so I didn't think I'd need any medicine," said Rucker, who racked up about $100,000 in hospital bills over that period by going to the emergency room whenever he needed care. "I'm trying to pay them off. Collection agencies call me all the time."

Rucker's wife has insurance, but the couple couldn't afford to put him on the policy. Now, he's excited he may also have coverage because of health care reform.

"It'll make the world better. It'll make us all better, actually," he said.

There's no talking to you. You base your arguments on "what if's" and "probably" and "we think." No, no and no.

If anybody ever told the truth about this(republicans are you listening?), then people would know it's not free. The entire basics of this bill is not about free health care, but affordable health care and access to it. Rick is going on, "people think" and "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" for his argument.

Rick, turn off Limbaugh and read the damned thing. Limbaugh is flat out lying, still trying to deceive people, because he knows that everyday that slips by, more and more people are going to like this bill.

The bill will save the country money, not cost it money. But who am I kidding? The Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the accounting referee here, is pure bullshit though, right? The GOP is backed into a corner so tightly now, they have nowhere to run and have to keep making up stuff about this bill that simply is not true. The bill passed because it saves $130B in the first ten years and a trillion dollars in the next ten years. Of course the repubbies here will tell you that is all false bullshit, yadda yadda yadda. The same people told us that when Bill Clinton once said he would get us a surplus, a balanced budget. LOL, let me ask you, did he accomplish that goal?

The answer is yes, he did.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?!

[S2M]

It remains to be seen if healthcare costs will plummet. And I know is that auto insurance companies made out when it became mandatory.....same happens now. MORE money for the insurance companies.....since everyone has to pay....

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?! :?

That's the part I'm not understanding. I read that the fine for not being covered was 2.5% and that health care will eventually be reported on your W2 - so if I didn't have it, the government would know based on it not appearing on the W2, they would hit my tax return for the 2.5% no?? (which will be way more than $300 a year)... so if I'm being fined on my taxes for not being covered, where does that fine go =- I'm assuming it goes to the IRS, so how does paying that fine translate into coverage?

[lights1961]

THIS ARTICLE SAYS IT ALL... AS I said yesterday... 90% of the public will think its free... they go to the doctor...pay a co pay...

and whammo no worries about the costs... WOW. just wow... BE VERY ILL ABOUT THIS JOHN Q PUBLIC... we will end up paying the devil for all of this in the end...

DEANO I will end up being right about all this...


Having insurance 'going to be like Christmas'


Posted: 6:16 p.m. yesterday
Updated: 7:00 p.m. yesterday

Durham, N.C. — Uninsured Triangle residents said Monday that they eagerly await the overhaul of the nation's health care system.

"It's just going to be like Christmas," said DeCarlo Flythe, who lost health coverage for his family when he was laid off almost three years ago. "It's going to be great. You know, no worries (about) the bills. We are going to go ahead and pay our co-pay and be alright."

WATCH VIDEO
Job losses left many people uninsured
Flythe, a diabetic, said he checked into buying a policy for his family, but he couldn't afford it. He recently landed another job, but the new benefits haven't kicked in yet.

"I worry day to day, honestly," he said. "I pray to make sure my child or my wife don't' get sick because, if they go to the hospital, we are looking at a couple of thousand (dollars in bills)."

Flythe was among the patients Monday at the Walltown Clinic, a joint program of Duke University and Lincoln Community Health Center that serves the low-income neighborhoods near Duke's campus. The clinic serves 3,000 to 4,000 patients a year – 80 percent don't have health insurance – and charges co-pays based on what patients can afford.

"People will come in and say, 'I suddenly don't have a job. I've lost my insurance. Can you help me?'" said Kaity Granda, a physician's assistant at the clinic.

Norman Rucker said he hasn't had health insurance in almost 10 years because his employers haven't offered it.

"I'm not a person who gets sick a lot, so I didn't think I'd need any medicine," said Rucker, who racked up about $100,000 in hospital bills over that period by going to the emergency room whenever he needed care. "I'm trying to pay them off. Collection agencies call me all the time."

Rucker's wife has insurance, but the couple couldn't afford to put him on the policy. Now, he's excited he may also have coverage because of health care reform.

"It'll make the world better. It'll make us all better, actually," he said.

There's no talking to you. You base your arguments on "what if's" and "probably" and "we think." No, no and no.

If anybody ever told the truth about this(republicans are you listening?), then people would know it's not free. The entire basics of this bill is not about free health care, but affordable health care and access to it. Rick is going on, "people think" and "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" for his argument.

Rick, turn off Limbaugh and read the damned thing. Limbaugh is flat out lying, still trying to deceive people, because he knows that everyday that slips by, more and more people are going to like this bill.

The bill will save the country money, not cost it money. But who am I kidding? The Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the accounting referee here, is pure bullshit though, right? The GOP is backed into a corner so tightly now, they have nowhere to run and have to keep making up stuff about this bill that simply is not true. The bill passed because it saves $130B in the first ten years and a trillion dollars in the next ten years. Of course the repubbies here will tell you that is all false bullshit, yadda yadda yadda. The same people told us that when Bill Clinton once said he would get us a surplus, a balanced budget. LOL, let me ask you, did he accomplish that goal?

The answer is yes, he did.

clinton got the surplus because of GOP congress set the bills... remember who had control from 1994 until he left office... that GOP led congress also had a very good economy after 1994...

my thing is I will see it when I believe it... and if I am wrong... I will say it here... but until then. I wont believe the theory that this bill will make us pay less for coverage. NO RISK INSURANCE??? PLEASE...

[Rockindeano]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?!

No. I didn't make myself clear on TNB, and I am no expert on this either, but I do know some of the stuff in this thing. I said, the fine is $365 per year in 2014, and then it jumps up to 500+ dollars 2 years later I believe. The TNB and others are going to have to buy health care if they do not have it. My point is that he will have such great opportunity to buy it at affordable rates, that it would be rare fore him to have to pay the fine. He, and the rest of every worker in the nation, will have new pools to purchase from, employers and employees will have this access. The fine is basically there for this reason. People who choose not to buy care, will have the fine levied against them because if they do get sick, and no one can see into the future, and he/she needs to go to an ER for treatment, they will be seen of course, but all those fines will go into a bowl where that will cover up ER usage. So basically people that want to be cheap and not buy care, and try to use the ER as a free doctor appointment, will have to pay at least 365 per year.(I think it's 365 per year; maybe 356, or 355 but close enough for arguments sake). The Feds want you to buy insurance after all the work they have done to make it affordable, and they are instituting the fine to close the "loophole" some will think they are getting by not buying in, and using the free ER. get that?

I did not say or didn't try to say that you could just get insurance for 30 bucks a month(365 divided by 12 mos-approx $30). Sorry for that, but TNB's premium will most likely be close to that 30 bucks a month.

[Rockindeano]

THIS ARTICLE SAYS IT ALL... AS I said yesterday... 90% of the public will think its free... they go to the doctor...pay a co pay...

and whammo no worries about the costs... WOW. just wow... BE VERY ILL ABOUT THIS JOHN Q PUBLIC... we will end up paying the devil for all of this in the end...

DEANO I will end up being right about all this...


Having insurance 'going to be like Christmas'


Posted: 6:16 p.m. yesterday
Updated: 7:00 p.m. yesterday

Durham, N.C. — Uninsured Triangle residents said Monday that they eagerly await the overhaul of the nation's health care system.

"It's just going to be like Christmas," said DeCarlo Flythe, who lost health coverage for his family when he was laid off almost three years ago. "It's going to be great. You know, no worries (about) the bills. We are going to go ahead and pay our co-pay and be alright."

WATCH VIDEO
Job losses left many people uninsured
Flythe, a diabetic, said he checked into buying a policy for his family, but he couldn't afford it. He recently landed another job, but the new benefits haven't kicked in yet.

"I worry day to day, honestly," he said. "I pray to make sure my child or my wife don't' get sick because, if they go to the hospital, we are looking at a couple of thousand (dollars in bills)."

Flythe was among the patients Monday at the Walltown Clinic, a joint program of Duke University and Lincoln Community Health Center that serves the low-income neighborhoods near Duke's campus. The clinic serves 3,000 to 4,000 patients a year – 80 percent don't have health insurance – and charges co-pays based on what patients can afford.

"People will come in and say, 'I suddenly don't have a job. I've lost my insurance. Can you help me?'" said Kaity Granda, a physician's assistant at the clinic.

Norman Rucker said he hasn't had health insurance in almost 10 years because his employers haven't offered it.

"I'm not a person who gets sick a lot, so I didn't think I'd need any medicine," said Rucker, who racked up about $100,000 in hospital bills over that period by going to the emergency room whenever he needed care. "I'm trying to pay them off. Collection agencies call me all the time."

Rucker's wife has insurance, but the couple couldn't afford to put him on the policy. Now, he's excited he may also have coverage because of health care reform.

"It'll make the world better. It'll make us all better, actually," he said.

There's no talking to you. You base your arguments on "what if's" and "probably" and "we think." No, no and no.

If anybody ever told the truth about this(republicans are you listening?), then people would know it's not free. The entire basics of this bill is not about free health care, but affordable health care and access to it. Rick is going on, "people think" and "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" for his argument.

Rick, turn off Limbaugh and read the damned thing. Limbaugh is flat out lying, still trying to deceive people, because he knows that everyday that slips by, more and more people are going to like this bill.

The bill will save the country money, not cost it money. But who am I kidding? The Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the accounting referee here, is pure bullshit though, right? The GOP is backed into a corner so tightly now, they have nowhere to run and have to keep making up stuff about this bill that simply is not true. The bill passed because it saves $130B in the first ten years and a trillion dollars in the next ten years. Of course the repubbies here will tell you that is all false bullshit, yadda yadda yadda. The same people told us that when Bill Clinton once said he would get us a surplus, a balanced budget. LOL, let me ask you, did he accomplish that goal?

The answer is yes, he did.

clinton got the surplus because of GOP congress set the bills... remember who had control from 1994 until he left office... that GOP led congress also had a very good economy after 1994...

my thing is I will see it when I believe it... and if I am wrong... I will say it here... but until then. I wont believe the theory that this bill will make us pay less for coverage. NO RISK INSURANCE??? PLEASE...

Ok Rick. So there was a GOP Congress. Your point is? The president still had to sign off on it. Whatever. Should we credit the Congress for that? Absolutely. But we also have to credit the president as well.

George W Bush had a GOP Congress from 2000-2006 and he ran up more debt, not including his little desert war, than any other president. The president is just as important as the Congress.

[RocknRoll]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?! :?

That's the part I'm not understanding. I read that the fine for not being covered was 2.5% and that health care will eventually be reported on your W2 - so if I didn't have it, the government would know based on it not appearing on the W2, they would hit my tax return for the 2.5% no?? (which will be way more than $300 a year)... so if I'm being fined on my taxes for not being covered, where does that fine go =- I'm assuming it goes to the IRS, so how does paying that fine translate into coverage?

I know I shouldn't be stepping into this discussion this late, but....

If you're young and relatively healthy why wouldn't you just take the fine to IRS (UGH) and than if you get sick get the health insurance since they have to accept you? Let the folks who are paying premiums and the people paying taxes pay for it. Of course, those who support the bill say premiums will be lower under this bill and taxes won't be going up again. I'm still trying to figure out how that will happen. It's just a bad bill and since another 18 states are filing lawsuits against it, it's just the precursor to National Health Insurance. IMO of course.

[Rockindeano]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?! :?

That's the part I'm not understanding. I read that the fine for not being covered was 2.5% and that health care will eventually be reported on your W2 - so if I didn't have it, the government would know based on it not appearing on the W2, they would hit my tax return for the 2.5% no?? (which will be way more than $300 a year)... so if I'm being fined on my taxes for not being covered, where does that fine go =- I'm assuming it goes to the IRS, so how does paying that fine translate into coverage?

I know I shouldn't be stepping into this discussion this late, but....

If you're young and relatively healthy why wouldn't you just take the fine to IRS (UGH) and than if you get sick get the health insurance since they have to accept you? Let the folks who are paying premiums and the people paying taxes pay for it. Of course, those who support the bill say premiums will be lower under this bill and taxes won't be going up again. I'm still trying to figure out how that will happen. It's just a bad bill and since another 18 states are filing lawsuits against it, it's just the precursor to National Health Insurance. IMO of course.

That's laughable. These states filing lawsuits cannot win. In this case, federal law supersedes any and all state law.

[lights1961]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?! :?

That's the part I'm not understanding. I read that the fine for not being covered was 2.5% and that health care will eventually be reported on your W2 - so if I didn't have it, the government would know based on it not appearing on the W2, they would hit my tax return for the 2.5% no?? (which will be way more than $300 a year)... so if I'm being fined on my taxes for not being covered, where does that fine go =- I'm assuming it goes to the IRS, so how does paying that fine translate into coverage?

I know I shouldn't be stepping into this discussion this late, but....

If you're young and relatively healthy why wouldn't you just take the fine to IRS (UGH) and than if you get sick get the health insurance since they have to accept you? Let the folks who are paying premiums and the people paying taxes pay for it. Of course, those who support the bill say premiums will be lower under this bill and taxes won't be going up again. I'm still trying to figure out how that will happen. It's just a bad bill and since another 18 states are filing lawsuits against it, it's just the precursor to National Health Insurance. IMO of course.

its really the goal here.... its another dumbing down america thing... sucker everyone into the plan... then screw em with whatever the govt mandates you to do.... mandates their rate on their terms... will they regulate your diet... what you eat... what you drink...
what kind of foods can be made... my guess is the only thing that wont get penalized more is the tabacco growers... just saying.

[bluejeangirl76]

What I would like to know, if anyone knows the answer... with the dispensation of being denied for pre-existing conditions, if that includes maternity because presently, that is considered a pre-existing condition.

I was looking at a relatively affordable private plan at one point last year, but it did not cover maternity care, and the cost to add it sent the premiums to more than double. Easy answer - I'm not married, so what do I need that for... just add it later if need be... but if you added it later, you couldn't use it for 12 months to keep people from going "OOPS!! Uh... better add that now!" Well what the shit. Even if you plan to get pregnant, you have to make the decision and then wait another 12 months to do it? So, basically, I wouldn't pay for it because I don't need it, but then later, when I choose to need it, I can't have it for a year? Kiss my ass.

[RocknRoll]

I'm seeing double standards here that do not make sense to me ...TNB is being told to just
pay the fine if he cannot afford insurance and for $30.00 per month he will
have coverage at a really great cheap rate ...BJG claimed the insurance offered
by her company has always been too expensive for her ...shouldn't she be
able to pay the fine and get really great coverage at the same great monthly rate?!?! :?

That's the part I'm not understanding. I read that the fine for not being covered was 2.5% and that health care will eventually be reported on your W2 - so if I didn't have it, the government would know based on it not appearing on the W2, they would hit my tax return for the 2.5% no?? (which will be way more than $300 a year)... so if I'm being fined on my taxes for not being covered, where does that fine go =- I'm assuming it goes to the IRS, so how does paying that fine translate into coverage?

I know I shouldn't be stepping into this discussion this late, but....

If you're young and relatively healthy why wouldn't you just take the fine to IRS (UGH) and than if you get sick get the health insurance since they have to accept you? Let the folks who are paying premiums and the people paying taxes pay for it. Of course, those who support the bill say premiums will be lower under this bill and taxes won't be going up again. I'm still trying to figure out how that will happen. It's just a bad bill and since another 18 states are filing lawsuits against it, it's just the precursor to National Health Insurance. IMO of course.

That's laughable. These states filing lawsuits cannot win. In this case, federal law supersedes any and all state law.

I believe it's in the constitution that this is a state issue. It's going to end up in the Supreme Court. I'd have to do some digging, but I'm betting someone else can fill in the blanks.

[Michigan Girl]

What I would like to know, if anyone knows the answer... with the dispensation of being denied for pre-existing conditions, if that includes maternity because presently, that is considered a pre-existing condition.

I was looking at a relatively affordable private plan at one point last year, but it did not cover maternity care, and the cost to add it sent the premiums to more than double. Easy answer - I'm not married, so what do I need that for... just add it later if need be... but if you added it later, you couldn't use it for 12 months to keep people from going "OOPS!! Uh... better add that now!" Well what the shit. Even if you plan to get pregnant, you have to make the decision and then wait another 12 months to do it? So, basically, I wouldn't pay for it because I don't need it, but then later, when I choose to need it, I can't have it for a year? Kiss my ass.

Maternity I think, will be a mandated coverage for every policy, as will substance abuse. It was posted here by someone earlier, I'll go look for it.

DO YOU HAVE TO BE A SUBSTANCE ABUSER 12 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?!?!

[Rockindeano]

What I would like to know, if anyone knows the answer... with the dispensation of being denied for pre-existing conditions, if that includes maternity because presently, that is considered a pre-existing condition.

Absolutely. Pregnancy issues, many considered pre existing conditions, are not to be denied. That was a huge sell of Pelosi's on the Floor Sunday night. A C-section is considered a pre existing condition!

I am telling you, the only people who hate this bill are the rich, the insurance companies and the misinformed.