DC Extended Universe THREAD

[verslibre]

You know what cracks me up, one of the guys on the "other" forum said BvS should be called Justice League. (But the League doesn't exist in the film.)

But he also insisted Civil War is a proper Cap movie and shouldn't get the "Avengers 2.5" tag.

How is that even possible when the Justice Leaguer's were only referred to by 'Easter Eggs'?

That's what he calls Momoa's abs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Except, you know, Wonder Woman. And the Green Lanterns.

Green Lantern is not even in production yet. By the time it rolls, it will probably have Batman in it too.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, he did it because he know Cap, B'Widow, Hawkeye, and War Machine Lite weren't to going to stack up against three of the most famous comics characters ever. You can talk crap to your heart's content, but that's the truth.

Yep. Feige pretty much panicked and said "Fuck it. Make Buck'America 2, Avengers 3 and Iron Man 4 but don't forget to add a little taste of Spider-Jizz ontop of it to pinch out the billion. GO."

Who cares what the studio logic was? Civil War has been well-received by most and is making bank. DC should take note. All of BvS's sins would be easily forgivable if it was actually a good movie.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You know what cracks me up, one of the guys on the "other" forum said BvS should be called Justice League. (But the League doesn't exist in the film.)

But he also insisted Civil War is a proper Cap movie and shouldn't get the "Avengers 2.5" tag.

My friend said he would re-title Civil War "The Ballad of Tony Stark." Not sure what exactly he means by that. I did not see it yet!

[verslibre]

Except, you know, Wonder Woman. And the Green Lanterns.

Green Lantern is not even in production yet. By the time it rolls, it will probably have Batman in it too.

To be fair, they're doing the same thing with Stark.

[verslibre]

My friend said he would re-title Civil War "The Ballad of Tony Stark." Not sure what exactly he means by that. I did not see it yet!

It's kind of obvious, no?

[YoungJRNYfan]

Except, you know, Wonder Woman. And the Green Lanterns.

Or these aliens called Kryptonian's. We know we're destined to get Brainiac on the big screen eventually, so that opens up the Coluan world that exists outside of villains like Darkseid and hell, even The Bottle City of Kandor (an EASTER EGG in 'Man of Steel' already confirmed that a Super-Girl is roaming planet Earth.) Once the DCEU opens up, the payoff could be extraordinary.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My friend said he would re-title Civil War "The Ballad of Tony Stark." Not sure what exactly he means by that. I did not see it yet!

It's kind of obvious, no?

Yea, but why a "ballad"? Does Tony go to Superhero Prom or something? Maybe I'm being far too literal.

[YoungJRNYfan]

My friend said he would re-title Civil War "The Ballad of Tony Stark." Not sure what exactly he means by that. I did not see it yet!

It's kind of obvious, no?

Yea, but why a "ballad"? Does Tony go to Superhero Prom or something? Maybe I'm being far too literal.

No, Stark's going to Homecoming. ZING!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Except, you know, Wonder Woman. And the Green Lanterns.

Green Lantern is not even in production yet. By the time it rolls, it will probably have Batman in it too.

To be fair, they're doing the same thing with Stark.

Stark's Dad was referenced in Captain 1. Don't remember anything Stark-related in Thor 1. I remember Stark in the credits of Incredible Hulk. I don't think Phase 1 relied on Tony Stark nearly as much as DC is relying on Batman. Time will tell. I'll be the first to admit I am full of shit.

[verslibre]

My friend said he would re-title Civil War "The Ballad of Tony Stark." Not sure what exactly he means by that. I did not see it yet!

It's kind of obvious, no?

Yea, but why a "ballad"? Does Tony go to Superhero Prom or something? Maybe I'm being far too literal.

Just a hair.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, Stark's going to Homecoming. ZING!

I see what you did there...

[verslibre]

Except, you know, Wonder Woman. And the Green Lanterns.

Or these aliens called Kryptonian's. We know we're destined to get Brainiac on the big screen eventually, so that opens up the Coluan world that exists outside of villains like Darkseid and hell, even The Bottle City of Kandor (an EASTER EGG in 'Man of Steel' already confirmed that a Super-Girl is roaming planet Earth.) Once the DCEU opens up, the payoff could be extraordinary.

No way are they going to ignore the Superman mythos. Too much material to mine there. It's too integral. Same for Themyscira, Atlantis, the Bat-Universe.

I REALLY hope we get the fuggin' New Gods. And the Omega Men. That book (the version under the tutelage of Giffen & DeCarlo) was so badass, it BEGS to be made into a movie.

[verslibre]

No, Stark's going to Homecoming. ZING!

[YoungJRNYfan]

Except, you know, Wonder Woman. And the Green Lanterns.

Or these aliens called Kryptonian's. We know we're destined to get Brainiac on the big screen eventually, so that opens up the Coluan world that exists outside of villains like Darkseid and hell, even The Bottle City of Kandor (an EASTER EGG in 'Man of Steel' already confirmed that a Super-Girl is roaming planet Earth.) Once the DCEU opens up, the payoff could be extraordinary.

No way are they going to ignore the Superman mythos. Too much material to mine there. It's too integral. Same for Themyscira, Atlantis, the Bat-Universe.

I REALLY hope we get the fuggin' New Gods. And the Omega Men. That book (the version under the tutelage of Giffen & DeCarlo) was so badass, it BEGS to be made into a movie.

I wouldn't even role out the Legion. With all this talk about the Flash Point Pardox and being too soon into the Batman V Superman timeline in the Multiverse, the Legion could very well make some type of appearance in all of this. The DC mytho's can go as deep as a Sunday afternoon with Peter North.

[verslibre]

Peter North for Metron!

[YoungJRNYfan]

But it IS relevant, because that's the medium from whence it came. Were it irrelevant (because that is an absolute), Marvel wouldn't make an hour-long special like Marvel's Captain America: 75 Heroic Years and air it in the same time slot as Agent Carter. That's Marvel's way of saying "THIS is how it all began! Feel free to pick up the big trade collections and read ALL the stories!"

Damn right it is. WB/DC put together the 'Dawn of the Justice League Special' that aired on the CW. Ever check out the full fledged marketing for Batman V Superman when it came to merchandising? Places like Target and Wal-Mart lined up their Entertainment/Electronics and Books/Magazines sections with DC movies and graphic novels. The graphic novels were: 'Batman: The Dark Knight Returns', 'The Death of Superman', 'New 52 Justice League of America', 'Trinity' and 'Flashpoint.' Not that those were CAREFULLY selected or anything

[YoungJRNYfan]

Batman v Superman - Batmobile Chase Featurette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo9MbpMY9ng

[Monker]

My friend said he would re-title Civil War "The Ballad of Tony Stark." Not sure what exactly he means by that. I did not see it yet!

It's kind of obvious, no?

Yea, but why a "ballad"? Does Tony go to Superhero Prom or something? Maybe I'm being far too literal.

He's the next future ex-lead singer of Journey.

[YoungJRNYfan]

While we're on 'Journey' comparison's, the MCU is kind of like 'The Essentials' or the 'The Greatest Hits'; taking those songs what worked on one album and creating a catalog of those hits to appease the casual fan, or in this case, the General Audience and staying true to their legendary "sound" or "formula" that features the original cast and assemble that made the band great.

The DCEU is like 'Red 13' or 'Eclipse.' New singers taking over an older band (Cavill; Affleck) and doing something drastic and different that doesn't appease to the overall general audience, but hardcore fans who want to see a change on tour other than the same 'ol; same 'ol 'Dirty Dozen' lineup that respects and appreciates the efforts into doing something different other than more of the same.

[Monker]

Now if you want to talk about yet another inspiration movie, look no further than Captain Marvel. A Marvel film they clearly can't stand to make but have to because of you-know-who. Maybe she will sell enough action figures to the studios liking

Lol. Yeah, because Marvel wants to be just like D.C. and hit the 29% Critic review mark. Marvel isn't rushing into production to show D.C. how to do a female hero right. It's on the schedule waiting in line with everyone else. I think marvel is happy with being the gold standard in comic book films. I'm happy you're happy with the pewter D.C. is dishing out to you. But you are straight delusional if you think marvel strives for that.

"It's on the schedule waiting in line" is rhetoric. They claimed to be working on that film before Thor: Ragnarok even had a script. I'd wait till CM is cast and the film starts principal photography before you walk around and grab your sack and go "Yeah, Marvel!"

Feige did go to civil war after hearing about B v S because he knew they could do it right and wanted to blow B v S out of the water. They announced it and scheduled it on B v S's release date. They took it's release date, then followed it and released a far superior film in BO totals, critic reviews and audience reviews. That's the trifecta. No amount of whining or debate will change that.

No, he did it because he know Cap, B'Widow, Hawkeye, and War Machine Lite weren't to going to stack up against three of the most famous comics characters ever. You can talk crap to your heart's content, but that's the truth.

You guys live in some fantasy where DC is making good films and Marvel sucks. You REALLY sound completely biased and denying reality.

DC failed with BvS and Marvel beat them at their own game, and they beat them badly. That is what happened. Admit it and lick your wounds and move on. Defending BvS is worse than defending Green Lantern or Dark World.....BvS is unanimously considered a bad film. Not mediocre, not "gee, there is too much CGI", not "if they only tweaked the tone here and there", not "this dialogue here and there is too silly"....It's a huge stinky pile of shit in the middle the DCEU that needs to be taken out and forgotten.

[Monker]

While we're on 'Journey' comparison's, the MCU is kind of like 'The Essentials' or the 'The Greatest Hits'; taking those songs what worked on one album and creating a catalog of those hits to appease the casual fan, or in this case, the General Audience and staying true to their legendary "sound" or "formula" that features the original cast and assemble that made the band great.

If you want to make that comparison. What Marvel is doing is what Herbie was doing with Journey in their prime. Every album from Infinity thru Frontiers may have a similar sound but each album is also it's own. Each album also kept drawing in fans. Yeah, some are better than others. Some are outstanding. But, none of them completely suck.

The DCEU is like 'Red 13' or 'Eclipse.' New singers taking over an older band (Cavill; Affleck) and doing something drastic and different that doesn't appease to the overall general audience, but hardcore fans who want to see a change on tour other than the same 'ol; same 'ol 'Dirty Dozen' lineup that respects and appreciates the efforts into doing something different other than more of the same.

The DCEU with BvS is more like Generations...where they started failing on almost every level. The production sucks, the writing was mediocre, there was too many people sharing lead vocals. There was no focus, no quality, just a band with a product they could barely even give away by using their brand.

[verslibre]

DC failed with BvS and Marvel beat them at their own game, and they beat them badly. That is what happened. Admit it and lick your wounds and move on. Defending BvS is worse than defending Green Lantern or Dark World.....BvS is unanimously considered a bad film. Not mediocre, not "gee, there is too much CGI", not "if they only tweaked the tone here and there", not "this dialogue here and there is too silly"....It's a huge stinky pile of shit in the middle the DCEU that needs to be taken out and forgotten.

Patently false. Stop trying to suck your own cock and show us at the same time. You're not Ron Jeremy.

[verslibre]

What Marvel is doing is what Herbie was doing with Journey in their prime.

Stop. You sound like an idiot. First, not everybody liked Journey "in their prime," or before/after. Not everything Perry-Journey recorded was good, either.

[Monker]

There's no ripping going on. Fiege himself said it and it came from the horses mouth. Civil War was inspired by BvS and nothing but a fan service glorified Avengers film.

It's a lot more than that. It's a well written, well directed, and well acted film. You just want to refuse to give it any positive credit because it did what BVS didn't - on every level.

A lot of comic book characters are alike, but the article only mentions Deadpool to obviously compare the quirkiness of the character but in reality, Harley Quinn is a protégé of Joker and not Deapool. Those goalposts were looking tight lately, though.

All I am going to say is if Harley Quinn ends up like Deadpool, then WB/DC is fucking stupid. There is just no way that can ever be considered a good idea. Copying something that is mocking a genre you are in is just retarded. Imagine how stupid a Spaceballs knock-off would be.

Besides, Harley Quinn is a straight villain and a female lead. 2 things only DC isn't scared to do and they already committed to that character in Suicide Squad WAY BEFORE the successes of DP.

If Harley come out talking to the audience like Ferris Buehler, it's going to bomb - badly.

[quoteNow if you want to talk about yet another inspiration movie, look no further than Captain Marvel. A Marvel film they clearly can't stand to make but have to because of you-know-who. Maybe she will sell enough action figures to the studios liking [/quote]

Or, maybe they are waiting so they can time her to take over the Avengers after the Infinity War.

[Monker]

LOL...so you guys rip Civil War by saying BvS inspired it....

How many times do you need to be told that Feige said two words: "Civil" and "War," in that order? There's denial, and then there's you.

Dude, I'm not denying it. What I am denying is that it was a bad thing. Maybe DC will give Marvel ideas so they can do those a thousand times better, too.

Too funny...and I don't think I'd want to take on Deadpool, that was a perfectly timed film.

Who said it's about "taking on" Deadpool? Nobody.[/quote]

I did. That is what it reads like to me.

Harley Quinn has a large fanbase, so it's a no-brainer, really.

Yeah, no brains...that makes sense. "Hey, Deadpool was pretty successful. What character do we have that can act like that? Oh, Harley Quinn breaks the 4th wall too...."

This bullshit with you and "perfectly timed" and "good storytelling." Disney thought both applied to The Lone Ranger and look what happened.

I was begging for something like Deadpool for a few months before it came out. I was hoping Mel Brooks would come out with a CBM parody. Deadpool was needed so the genre could laugh at itself.

I don't know what happened with Lone Ranger....I never saw it. Looked kinda stupid to me...it still does.

[RedWingFan]

While we're on 'Journey' comparison's, the MCU is kind of like 'The Essentials' or the 'The Greatest Hits'; taking those songs what worked on one album and creating a catalog of those hits to appease the casual fan, or in this case, the General Audience and staying true to their legendary "sound" or "formula" that features the original cast and assemble that made the band great.

The DCEU is like 'Red 13' or 'Eclipse.' New singers taking over an older band (Cavill; Affleck) and doing something drastic and different that doesn't appease to the overall general audience, but hardcore fans who want to see a change on tour other than the same 'ol; same 'ol 'Dirty Dozen' lineup that respects and appreciates the efforts into doing something different other than more of the same.

So Marvel are the 78-83 years that sold boatloads of records selling out massive stadiums, singing beloved songs that last for generations. D.C. are the boatlads of unsold eclipse discs packed back up and thrown in Wal-Mart dumpsters, and when played live drive people straight to the shitter? Sounds pretty accurate to me. Nice job.
And the train wreck has some members not wanting to make any more records. Enjoy the film's that are already in the pipeline.

[Monker]

Marvel isn't rushing into production to show D.C. how to do a female hero right.

That's probably because it's known how embarrassed Marvel is of their female properties (it's well documented.)

Keep dreaming. Captain Marvel will be cast when the time is right. They are just doing it on their schedule and not yours.

They are rushing because of DC's you-know-who Amazonian hero.

So, they ARE going to do an Isis movie. I knew it!

It's on the schedule waiting in line with everyone else.

There's no waiting for Marvel characters. CW was a battle between which shelf has the most space to occupy with the newest round of action figures and Infinity War is going to have not only returning characters from the original Avengers (like Thor) but introduce new characters (like Dr.Strange) and also throw in other characters of existing franchise's like Guardians of the Galaxy. And yeah, Captain Marvel will probably appear in Infinity War as well, first being introduced there and then having her solo film follow. Sound familiar?

Sounds awesome....except Dr. Strange will be introduced in a few months, not in Infinity War. And, Captain Mar-Vel may be introduced in Guardians 2.

Wait, I thought Marvel wasn't rushing into movies to show DC how to "do things right"? You speak like a true Marvel-ite. A one big fanboy reign of contradicting terror. For as much talk that Marvel can't be touched, the studio sure is worrying about their competition a whole lot. I know DC's existence bothers Marvel fans. It's going to be funny when DC hits their stride. Just think what type of influence DC will have on Marvel when they actually do have a critical darling It might...just might...force Marvel into gutsy territory. If that happens, they may have to re-up RDJR's contract and start shoe-horning him into other films. Oh wait.

By the way DC is moving, they won't hit their stride until after Marvel is in phase 20 or something and RDJ would probably be dead.

[YoungJRNYfan]

You guys live in some fantasy where DC is making good films

You're speaking out of your rectum and buying into the mind-control of Rotten Tomato critics just to prove a point that exists in a "choosing of sides" fanboy mentality that currently exists and was created by social media nerdgasmn.

and Marvel sucks.

Nobody said that. Stop putting words into people's mouth's. Marvel doesn't suck, but not everybody likes what they're doing, either. I'm perfectly content with DC/WB being in the position that they're in and understand the logistics that go into the critical reception it's receiving. Marvelites obviously can't handle when somebody critique's Marvel movies.

You REALLY sound completely biased

Uh...takes one to know one? Considering you've moved the goalposts countless a number of times defending Marvel when it's obvious they are guilty of the same exact things DC has done, but knowing how it's much easier to swipe those issues under the rug and hide behind the BO and RT reviews like it's no big deal. It proves Marvel gets a pass because if the critics say it, it must be true.

and denying reality.

I'm having a hard time finding reality when reading your posts because all I see is critiques just to critique on your end The real reality is that the slate for superhero movies, Marvel and DC alike, is so enormous that not even the most pessimistic fan can deny what's coming from both studios. That's all that really matters.

Defending BvS is worse than defending Green Lantern

How when Green Lantern failed to kick off a DC Cinematic Universe (like it was intended to do) while Batman V Superman (and Man of Steel) clearly did? We can talk about films like Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League Part 1, Justice League Part 2 and The Batman (or for TNC; MoS2 )
and it's not because of obvious fail of Green Lantern. Stop with your incoherent attempts at taking jabs in the wrong places. You're fanning twice as much as Manny Pacquiao in his rumble with Floyd Mayweather JR.

or Dark World

Impossible. Marvel never, ever churns out a bad film. You better wise up before you get a Stan Lee cameo knocking on your front door threatening to take your Marvelite-card off of you!

It's a huge stinky pile of shit in the middle the DCEU that needs to be taken out and forgotten.

Not happening, son

[YoungJRNYfan]

Keep dreaming. Captain Marvel will be cast when the time is right. They are just doing it on Wonder Woman's reception and not theirs.

Fixed.

Sounds awesome....except Dr. Strange will be introduced in a few months, not in Infinity War. And, Captain Mar-Vel may be introduced in Guardians 2.

Yeah, I know. What I meant was that Dr.Strange is a new character being thrown into Infinity War ontop of the countless others from other franchise's. He's essentially new to the Avengers Assemble and will probably play an Ant-Man role; happy to be there in the midst of the other 30 characters that need to show off what they do.

Don't hold your breath about Captain Marvel appearing in GotG2. James Gunn already addressed that with a big "Sorry, NO." She'll probably make her first appearance in IW.

By the way DC is moving, they won't hit their stride until after Marvel is in phase 20 or something

So be it. DC chose to do their Universe in a completely different way. If they would have chosen to do it Marvel's way, then maybe, but the DC train is coming. Don't let it bother you TOO much.

RDJ would probably be dead.

Thanks for admitting the MCU lives and dies by RDJR and not the other fluff the media and critics create surrounding the MCU