Sharia law here in Michigan. Unbelievable

[Angel]

Free Will vs. The Answering of Prayers

I'm still stuck on this concept. Would a religious type please explain this concept to me?

We were never told our prayers would be answered.

Sometimes God decides to calm the seas. Sometimes he chooses to ride the storm with us!

EXACTLY!

[parfait]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

[artist4perry]

Holy shit, are you talking about the Rwandan's "not feeling pain?" I don't think I understand your post.

Re read it. I said he cares when they have pain. He wants us to help them. If they die they will be comforted, no pain.

[Saint John]

Holy shit, are you talking about the Rwandan's "not feeling pain?" I don't think I understand your post.

First off, quote me when you're asking me something. Anyway, I was explaining that I have wondered if what we view as "reality" and all of the pains of the world is just a "movie" for our soul, and that our free will and judgment are being tested to see what we are at the core. We can think other people are feeling pain, but we can never actually feel it. We can only feel our own pain. Kinda like that Vanilla Sky movie with Tom Cruise.

[StevePerryHair]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

No one here would ever expect to change your mind or prove to you God's existence. I would never want to. No one ever did that in a debate ever. Finding God is something that will have to happen to you on your own. It may never happen. But if you are open to it who knows, miracles do happen Seriously though, something someday could happen in your life that could make you see what some of us do. You say never, but I know people who once felt like you. Never say never!!

[Angel]

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

You didn't answer this.....and I'm eager to hear your reply....

Very good points Lynn. In my experience, doctors and scientists have first hand seen proof that there is a God. There are so many times when things happen that have no other explaination except that the hand of God was involved.

I remember a time when I was at work and walked into the room to check on a patient. As I stepped into the room I felt something actually stop me from walking in the room and I suddenly had an overwhelming feeling to leave the room and go into the next room. The next room was a patient that I was not caring for-her nurse had just left the department for a few minutes and I really knew nothing about her except that she had delivered her baby about a half an hour ago and her nurse told me she was doing fine. I walked in the room and everything appeared normal. I asked if she was OK and she said she was fine. The dad was holding the baby in the corner so I just casually asked "and how's the baby?" He said she was fine. As soon as he said that I got another overwhelming feeling that I needed to check on the baby and that something was very wrong. I turned on the baby warmer and asked him to bring her to me- and he did. As he was unwrapping her I turned on the oxygen and hit the "code blue" button-I had no idea why-it was just automatic. I looked at her and she was gray, she was not breathing and had a heart rate of 20 beats per minute so I started CPR and waited for the code team to arrive. We were able to resuscitate her within a few minutes and although she did stay in the NICU for awhile she did live.

Now, if there is no God, explain to me how I knew to go into that room? how did I know to check the baby more carefully? how did I know to call for help and turn on the oxygen before I had ever even seen the baby? There is no scientific explaination.

[fredinator]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

[StevePerryHair]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

I don't really get your point. Evil is all over this world. That's why I liken it to hell in some ways. I really don't think God causes evil and destruction. I don't call natural disasters "acts of God" like some do. We are told the devil exists in the world. I would say that could be him working in people. We can't fix the whole world. I will bring up Mother Teresa again, since someone did earlier. She believed that people can do small things just through love. That starts at home with our families. It extends to our friends. Some cant even manage to be good to their own families. How can the world ever be expected to change when those closest to us are not even someone we are going to respect? Christ's message was really very simple. If everyone loved each other, as we loved ourselves, IF everyone actually loved themselves to begin with, that's the only way we'd have a perfect world. Unfortunately we have the ability to do and believe what we want, so it kind of messes things up that way.

[artist4perry]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

Please say that last line again.........I want my husband to have a great laugh!

[Saint John]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

I think we've all seen it, Sybil. What I'm saying is that, and this is just my mind wandering, what if what we "see" isn't actually real? That we are each played a "movie" to see how and what we do, in order to measure our goodness (or lack there of) at the very core. It's just a rambling thought and nothing more. But the fact remains you can "see" people being hacked up, slaughtered, beaten and killed, but you have no way of knowing if they're really feeling pain. One's own pain can only actually be felt. The rest is really assumption. At least that's the way I see it.

[fredinator]

I understand your meaning; I was brought up Catholic like Lula . I agree with what you're saying, too, absolutely. I was addressing the "God's plan" theory using Rwanda as an example.

[fredinator]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

I think we've all seen it, Sybil. What I'm saying is that, and this is just my mind wandering, what if what we "see" isn't actually real? That we are each played a "movie" to see how and what we do, in order to measure our goodness (or lack there of) at the very core. It's just a rambling thought and nothing more. But the fact remains you can "see" people being hacked up, slaughtered, beaten and killed, but you have no way of knowing if they're really feeling pain. One's own pain can only actually be felt. The rest is really assumption. At least that's the way I see it.

I don't know what to say to this so .

[StevePerryHair]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

I think we've all seen it, Sybil. What I'm saying is that, and this is just my mind wandering, what if what we "see" isn't actually real? That we are each played a "movie" to see how and what we do, in order to measure our goodness (or lack there of) at the very core. It's just a rambling thought and nothing more. But the fact remains you can "see" people being hacked up, slaughtered, beaten and killed, but you have no way of knowing if they're really feeling pain. One's own pain can only actually be felt. The rest is really assumption. At least that's the way I see it.

How could so many of us be seeing the same movie?

Honestly, I think we all see enough pain around us in our own lives, everyday. Tangible things we can see in people we know. I don't think God is judging me for how I react to that pain I witness. But I guess knowing what God wants from me, makes me want to help. It gives me a lot of empathy for others. A friend lost her 18 year old daughter in a car accident a year ago last weekend. She is really suffering right now, and she is sharing her thoughts and her grief with some of us. It breaks my heart to see her pain. But she also has this spark about her. Where she is fighting going into a depression over it. She has told us that no way her daughter would want her to stop living, and if she had died in the car accident, she never would have wanted her daughter to not go on, and enjoy life. She is looking for the light in the darkness. All we can do is be there for her, listening and encouraging her to share. It's a pretty helpless place to be in as friends. But that is how she will get strength as she tries to make sense of something so senseless. And I know she will. She does have a strong faith, but i KNOW it's being tested right now with how she's feeling. I will say again, that I truly believe that God's care comes not only from him in our own way we communicate with him, but also through the people that surround us.

[artist4perry]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

I think we've all seen it, Sybil. What I'm saying is that, and this is just my mind wandering, what if what we "see" isn't actually real? That we are each played a "movie" to see how and what we do, in order to measure our goodness (or lack there of) at the very core. It's just a rambling thought and nothing more. But the fact remains you can "see" people being hacked up, slaughtered, beaten and killed, but you have no way of knowing if they're really feeling pain. One's own pain can only actually be felt. The rest is really assumption. At least that's the way I see it.

How could so many of us be seeing the same movie?

Honestly, I think we all see enough pain around us in our own lives, everyday. Tangible things we can see in people we know. I don't think God is judging me for how I react to that pain I witness. But I guess knowing what God wants from me, makes me want to help. It gives me a lot of empathy for others. A friend lost her 18 year old daughter in a car accident a year ago last weekend. She is really suffering right now, and she is sharing her thoughts and her grief with some of us. It breaks my heart to see her pain. But she also has this spark about her. Where she is fighting going into a depression over it. She has told us that no way her daughter would want her to stop living, and if she had died in the car accident, she never would have wanted her daughter to not go on, and enjoy life. She is looking for the light in the darkness. All we can do is be there for her, listening and encouraging her to share. It's a pretty helpless place to be in as friends. But that is how she will get strength as she tries to make sense of something so senseless. And I know she will. She does have a strong faith, but i KNOW it's being tested right now with how she's feeling. I will say again, that I truly believe that God's care comes not only from him in our own way we communicate with him, but also through the people that surround us.

That was well said. And prayers for the family, for strength, and for comfort these are great things too. I know when people tell me they are praying for me.....they are telling me they care with their whole heart.

[steveo777]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

No one here would ever expect to change your mind or prove to you God's existence. I would never want to. No one ever did that in a debate ever. Finding God is something that will have to happen to you on your own. It may never happen. But if you are open to it who knows, miracles do happen Seriously though, something someday could happen in your life that could make you see what some of us do. You say never, but I know people who once felt like you. Never say never!!

As a country we are going the wrong way. This country was founded on Christian principles by good God fearing people like my Grandfather. Look how many people advocate against God and Christianity in this country. People want to take our Christianity out of our Schools, off of our money and out of constitutional items, court swearing ins, etc. It's no coincidence the country just keeps getting sicker and sicker, while these people are at work to destroy the very foundation of our country. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves at the mess that's been made of what they fought so hard to attain.

[SherriBerry]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

Let's see - "empirical evidence for God's existence". To begin with, empirical evidence is nothing more than information gained through experiment, observation, or experience. That you are unaware of the countless personal experiences and observations by individuals that have not been explained by science is not surprising, nor would it be for you in your limited knowledge to discount them all without further study. No one here can prove the existence of God, but then you have not disproved the existence of God either with your ridiculous rants. You are simply not capable of it. Having completed the first year of medical school does not qualify you as omniscient. To come on here and arrogantly proclaim that you have the answers to the questions that have defied explanation by the greatest minds throughout history is laughable.

No one is questioning your choice not to believe in a higher power of some sort, but to disparage and ridicule those who do with such arrogance and condescension says a lot about you - I am glad you will not be practicing medicine on this continent. Your posts indicate that you are the type of person who goes into medicine not for the love of others and to heal them, but for the love of yourself and to demonstrate your self-proclaimed "superiority". I certainly hope God does exist - for the sake of your future patients. Hopefully you will grow up and have the maturity to consider that there are always possibilities.

[donnaplease]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

Let's see - "empirical evidence for God's existence". To begin with, empirical evidence is nothing more than information gained through experiment, observation, or experience. That you are unaware of the countless personal experiences and observations by individuals that have not been explained by science is not surprising, nor would it be for you in your limited knowledge to discount them all without further study. No one here can prove the existence of God, but then you have not disproved the existence of God either with your ridiculous rants. You are simply not capable of it. Having completed the first year of medical school does not qualify you as omniscient. To come on here and arrogantly proclaim that you have the answers to the questions that have defied explanation by the greatest minds throughout history is laughable.

No one is questioning your choice not to believe in a higher power of some sort, but to disparage and ridicule those who do with such arrogance and condescension says a lot about you - I am glad you will not be practicing medicine on this continent. Your posts indicate that you are the type of person who goes into medicine not for the love of others and to heal them, but for the love of yourself and to demonstrate your self-proclaimed "superiority". I certainly hope God does exist - for the sake of your future patients. Hopefully you will grow up and have the maturity to consider that there are always possibilities.

PWNED!!!

[parfait]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

No one here would ever expect to change your mind or prove to you God's existence. I would never want to. No one ever did that in a debate ever. Finding God is something that will have to happen to you on your own. It may never happen. But if you are open to it who knows, miracles do happen Seriously though, something someday could happen in your life that could make you see what some of us do. You say never, but I know people who once felt like you. Never say never!!

As a country we are going the wrong way. This country was founded on Christian principles by good God fearing people like my Grandfather. Look how many people advocate against God and Christianity in this country. People want to take our Christianity out of our Schools, off of our money and out of constitutional items, court swearing ins, etc. It's no coincidence the country just keeps getting sicker and sicker, while these people are at work to destroy the very foundation of our country. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves at the mess that's been made of what they fought so hard to attain.

Wrong. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Source: Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution - not once. The Founders were students of the European Enlightenment.

The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion". This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty.

Here's some quotes:

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches.

James Madison

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"

John Adams

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

Thomas Jefferson

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
-in Poor Richard's Almanac

Benjamin Franklin

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.

Thomas Paine

Supreme Court Justice David Davis: "He [Lincoln] had no faith, in the Christian sense of the term-- he had faith in laws, principles, causes and effects."
.

Abraham Lincoln

Yatzy!

Edit to Sherry: Any empirical evidence through science is deduced through experiments. Any experiments to prove God's existence have failed miserably. Thus there is no legit empirical evidence. Miracles or personal experiences have, when examined have shown to be nothing more than unproven ramblings or natural occurrences, like orbs. Stigmata is another example. I could have said I felt the presence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster under a bad case of lactose induced diarrhea - but that is not empirical evidence, far from it. Evidence isn't evidence unless it's proven through continuous experimenting.

[donnaplease]

Unbelievable! In contrast to your post, here are a few other quotes from our founding fathers...


Patrick Henry:
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Thomas Jefferson:
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

James Madison:
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.”


Jedediah Morse:
"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."

Thomas Paine:
“ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”
“ The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal.” “The Existence of God--1810”

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
“[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

John Quincy Adams:
“Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

Nelly Custis-Lewis (Washington’s adopted daughter):
Is it necessary that any one should [ask], “Did General Washington avow himself to be a believer in Christianity?" As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic devotion to his country. His mottos were, "Deeds, not Words"; and, "For God and my Country."


http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html

[StevePerryHair]

Unbelievable that he will now try to quote American history to us This is just too much wonder if he's ever watched our news when on different occasions they've showed our current presidents attending the national church. Or when they've talked about each president when they are visited by their religious mentors. They've all had them. They all to this day openly talk about God in their speeches. It's fun to see Parfait grasping

[parfait]

Unbelievable that he will now try to quote American history to us This is just too much wonder if he's ever watched our news when on different occasions they've showed our current presidents attending the national church. Or when they've talked about each president when they are visited by their religious mentors. They've all had them. They all to this day openly talk about God in their speeches. It's fun to see Parfait grasping

Of course I don't know the amount of American history you people do. The point here however was that the US is not based on Christian principles. Now, that's a fact. Wether Clinton or Lyndon B. were religious is irrelevant. The US is originally constructed on the European enlightenment ideas of democracy and secularism. Again:

The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion". This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli As mentioned earlier; The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution.

Again, just stating the facts here. If you want to call me arrogant or whatever, fine. Someone has to be at least a bit rational around here.

[StevePerryHair]

Rational? you are once again, like you did with Mother Teresa, taking things out of context. Amazing how in our courts people still swear on a bible. Amazing how our presidents forever have been inaugurated with their hand on a bible. George Washington included. You are arrogant and clueless.

[donnaplease]

Wrong! You're quoting crap from an atheist website. You could've at least cited in your post...

From a Library of Congress exhibit (note the .gov on the web address):

The Continental-Confederation Congress, a legislative body that governed the United States from 1774 to 1789, contained an extraordinary number of deeply religious men. The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.

Congress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.

The first national government of the United States, was convinced that the "public prosperity" of a society depended on the vitality of its religion. Nothing less than a "spirit of universal reformation among all ranks and degrees of our citizens," Congress declared to the American people, would "make us a holy, that so we may be a happy people."

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html

[Behshad]

Parfait, I have one more thing to say, I don't care if you think I am unqualified to teach because I believe in God. I do not teach my faith to the children I teach art. My faith helps me to love them even when they are rude, when they are combatitive, and when they need my care. I try to teach them to be good people, to love others, to be respectful, and to think aobut other cultures, ideas, and places that are different from their own.

I guarantee that the other people like myself, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, professors, and other educated people will not loose one bit of sleep because you do not think they are qualified to do their jobs because they happen to also have a faith in a higher power. You don't get to make that decision. This is not your land or your dictatorship. Thank goodness we have the freedom to think for ourselves in this land of ours, and it is written in our constitution that we are free to exercise the expression of our religion. Or not. That is freedom.

As I said, you are free to remain one minded. You don't have to streatch your thoughts in any way. I listened to what you had to say, even if I did not readily respond to it. I read the article you put up. Did you watch the twilight episode I provided? How dangerous it is to not allow the freedoms of thought?

I have studied science, and I do not reject all science. I just do not agree with all theories. I have studied plants and animals, how the bones work, muscles work and fur and tissue. To draw you have to understand all these things. I also love the history channel, discovery channel, and animal planet. I learn as much as I can about the animals, plants, and environment around me. I am not doing my own science. I never claimed that. I said I learned from science. You are such a hot head you didn't even read what I said correctly. There are christian scientists .........supprise! Scientists who believe in the possibiltiy of the existance of design in the universe. Because unlike yourself they open their minds to all possibilities instead of worshiping at the alter of one Theory. Did you know that one scientist theory was that an alien came down and planted DNA and that is what caused the earth to come about?

I really feel sorry for you. As a doctor your going to have to deal with people of faith. I go to doctors when I am ill. I use medicine that scientists have made. Because I don't believe in the Big Bang theory it does not mean I do not believe in science, or that I would not seek care from health professionals. Where did you get that idea.......Einstien? I have told people on this board I am under a care of a doctor. My doctor believes in God. Amazing. He is one of the best around here too. He hasn't sold me any snake oil, or sprinkled fairy dust on me or anything.

His teacher in college and I were talking one day. She said he was one of the most brilliant doctors she had ever met, and that I was lucky to have him as a doctor. Imagine that, a brilliant person believes in a God. You see, we are professionals in our job, but happen to believe in a God. I pray and it comforts me. I help others as much as I can. I obey the laws of the land. And I am a TEACHER. I serve my community as much as I can. Now do non christians do these things? Yes, they do. And I am glad they reach out as well. But you see my faith does not hinder my profession.

I don't care if you hate me. I don't hate you. I just wished you would treat others with respect. You upset me earlier, because you did not just share your thoughts, you ran over mine with a freight train. Not with wisdom, but arrogence and spitefulness.
I did not call S2M Pumpkin because I did not like him, it was affectionate in term, as I would a friend. I was trying to explain how I saw things. I am not from Missouri the "show me" state. Do christians believe in faith? Yes. Faith springs eternal, it comforts, it guides, and it strengthens my heart, my soal. It helps me to be a good wife, mother, and teacher. I am not ashamed of my God. Even though you have chosen to use intimidation to silence me. It won't work. As the man said in the Twilight Zone episode. "There is A GOD!" "YOU CANNOT ERASE GOD WITH AN EDICT" You don't have to believe. But try and take away my right to believe and I will stand up against you or anyone else who tries. I will not deny him even if it were against the law or punnishable by death.

Oooo. Ginger, are you trying to make me cry? Not cool. My face gets all flushed.

Read my posts, puh-lease. I said believing in something, whatever you want, is fine. But the moment you try to, out of metaphysical epxeriences, deduce that God is real; that's not fine.

There's a difference in being open minded, and letting your brain fall out. It's the Twilight Zone, woman. And I don't hate you. I think you're a delusional hypocritical cop out - but no hate. I <3 ever1 (even Everett Gump here)

(I'd like to point out that no one here has managed to come up with any empirical evidence for God's existence. I've answered all of your questions, with good, factual sources - and it really feels good to be that superior.

Let's see - "empirical evidence for God's existence". To begin with, empirical evidence is nothing more than information gained through experiment, observation, or experience. That you are unaware of the countless personal experiences and observations by individuals that have not been explained by science is not surprising, nor would it be for you in your limited knowledge to discount them all without further study. No one here can prove the existence of God, but then you have not disproved the existence of God either with your ridiculous rants. You are simply not capable of it. Having completed the first year of medical school does not qualify you as omniscient. To come on here and arrogantly proclaim that you have the answers to the questions that have defied explanation by the greatest minds throughout history is laughable.

No one is questioning your choice not to believe in a higher power of some sort, but to disparage and ridicule those who do with such arrogance and condescension says a lot about you - I am glad you will not be practicing medicine on this continent. Your posts indicate that you are the type of person who goes into medicine not for the love of others and to heal them, but for the love of yourself and to demonstrate your self-proclaimed "superiority". I certainly hope God does exist - for the sake of your future patients. Hopefully you will grow up and have the maturity to consider that there are always possibilities.

I hereby declare this as THE POST OF OF THE YEAR! Well said Sherri.

Parfait, as mentioned above, its not what you believe in that we have problems with,,, its how you deliver your message and put down everyone else's opinions and beliefs. You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that God does NOT exist. Until you do, shut the fuck up and go piss in a french whores mouth. Just the fact that you think of yourself as parfait, shows how blind you are.... Hopefully you will grow up some day

[donnaplease]

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[StevePerryHair]

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[parfait]

I'm fine with you people having a different opinion than me; that's the reason why we're having this discussion. Now, like most other people I've asked myself if there's a God. I chose to not believe in a God, because it's a insurmountable amount of evidence that says the likelihood of a Creator is close to nothing; both from a physical and metaphysical stand point. Now, let's say God exists, contrary to modern day science, I still wouldn't be religious. Because I am my own man; and takes responsibility for my own actions. My little cousin got cystic fibrosis. It's a genetic mutation - nothing fancy or strange about it. But I don't spend time wishing or praying or create some fantasy image about how she'll, when passed away, live in paradise all happy and CF-free. No, I, as my family, spend as much precious time with her as we can, and make the best out of the hand she was dealt in gestation.

Religion is a comforting thought, but nonetheless a man made fantasy created in ancient times to give a explanation to the then unknown parts of life. Say what you want about me being arrogant or pissing in whore's mouths or whatever, but I've got enough balls to see the world for what it is, without the need for comfort from a man in the sky. God hasn't helped my cousin live this long, but science have. Ten years back, the median life expectancy of a newborn with CF has increased from 4 to 32 years because of the progress in modern medicine.

God? Give me a fucking break.

[Ehwmatt]

I don't know what to say to this. Evidently you all haven't seen any of the images from that genocide? Most people (close to 1,000,000) were hacked up with machetes. I remember some of them throwing burning tires around people's necks. The US didn't do anything. I don't even remember the UN doing anything.

I think we've all seen it, Sybil. What I'm saying is that, and this is just my mind wandering, what if what we "see" isn't actually real? That we are each played a "movie" to see how and what we do, in order to measure our goodness (or lack there of) at the very core. It's just a rambling thought and nothing more. But the fact remains you can "see" people being hacked up, slaughtered, beaten and killed, but you have no way of knowing if they're really feeling pain. One's own pain can only actually be felt. The rest is really assumption. At least that's the way I see it.

Have you been doin some acid or at least smokin a lotta weed?

[Behshad]

I'm fine with you people having a different opinion than me; that's the reason why we're having this discussion. Now, like most other people I've asked myself if there's a God. I chose to not believe in a God, because it's a insurmountable amount of evidence that says the likelihood of a Creator is close to nothing; both from a physical and metaphysical stand point. Now, let's say God exists, contrary to modern day science, I still wouldn't be religious. Because I am my own man; and takes responsibility for my own actions. My little cousin got cystic fibrosis. It's a genetic mutation - nothing fancy or strange about it. But I don't spend time wishing or praying or create some fantasy image about how she'll, when passed away, live in paradise all happy and CF-free. No, I, as my family, spend as much precious time with her as we can, and make the best out of the hand she was dealt in gestation.

Religion is a comforting thought, but nonetheless a man made fantasy created in ancient times to give a explanation to the then unknown parts of life. Say what you want about me being arrogant or pissing in whore's mouths or whatever, but I've got enough balls to see the world for what it is, without the need for comfort from a man in the sky. God hasn't helped my cousin live this long, but science have. Ten years back, the median life expectancy of a newborn with CF has increased from 4 to 32 years because of the progress in modern medicine.

God? Give me a fucking break.

Another round of bullshit , eh !? So you would only believe in God, if the world was PERFECT and he would run around, save lives and come up with different medications to make sure we're all healthy and no one dies before 100 ???
Spare us your same old bullshit , with your "metaphysical" word of the week that you used 20 times the past 20 hours,,
There's still no proof , pyshical and or metaphysical that God doesnt exist . He said, She said, dont count as proof. And so far you have shown us you really dont take any responsibilities for your own action. You dont believe in afterlife, so you dont give a damn who you downgrade or whos mouth you piss in....

[StevePerryHair]

I'm fine with you people having a different opinion than me; that's the reason why we're having this discussion. Now, like most other people I've asked myself if there's a God. I chose to not believe in a God, because it's a insurmountable amount of evidence that says the likelihood of a Creator is close to nothing; both from a physical and metaphysical stand point. Now, let's say God exists, contrary to modern day science, I still wouldn't be religious. Because I am my own man; and takes responsibility for my own actions. My little cousin got cystic fibrosis. It's a genetic mutation - nothing fancy or strange about it. But I don't spend time wishing or praying or create some fantasy image about how she'll, when passed away, live in paradise all happy and CF-free. No, I, as my family, spend as much precious time with her as we can, and make the best out of the hand she was dealt in gestation.

Religion is a comforting thought, but nonetheless a man made fantasy created in ancient times to give a explanation to the then unknown parts of life. Say what you want about me being arrogant or pissing in whore's mouths or whatever, but I've got enough balls to see the world for what it is, without the need for comfort from a man in the sky. God hasn't helped my cousin live this long, but science have. Ten years back, the median life expectancy of a newborn with CF has increased from 4 to 32 years because of the progress in modern medicine.

God? Give me a fucking break.

Another round of bullshit , eh !? So you would only believe in God, if the world was PERFECT and he would run around, save lives and come up with different medications to make sure we're all healthy and no one dies before 100 ???
Spare us your same old bullshit , with your "metaphysical" word of the week that you used 20 times the past 20 hours,,
There's still no proof , pyshical and or metaphysical that God doesnt exist . He said, She said, dont count as proof. And so far you have shown us you really dont take any responsibilities for your own action. You dont believe in afterlife, so you dont give a damn who you downgrade or whos mouth you piss in....

Sounds like he'd be happier in a world full of super heros But then that would backfire.... cause we'd STILL end up with villians He will never get that it's PEOPLE who mess up this world. We are responsible for 99% of the bad things that happen here. Maybe more.