President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[strangegrey]

And, if your father gives you $3,500,000, it is taxed. If your father gives you $3,000,000 at death, it should also be taxed.

Does it really fucking matter? I mean, seriously. You incorrectly feel that the government has a right to the transfer of wealth within an immediate family. I, and others here, don't. Thats the argument.

Whether it's taxed at the estate level or the inheritance level, is an immaterial distinction that still represents the double taxation of money earned by a family. You can spin it any way you want. It's taxing a parent for money that a child should not have to share with Uncle Sam and all of his dependents.


You're arguing a semantic issue that still exposes the fact that you don't have a problem with the government taking two cuts of hard earned wealth. You're a pig and I hope your children hate you for it!

[Saint John]

Yep...and that's not the way it should be...when you inherit, it is income to you and you should be taxed for it.

I deleted the rest of your post because you restated the same stupid idea several times in an attempt to put lipstick on your pig of an idea.


Regardless, Monker, you're looking at over 80 years of precedent. Some states and countries have an inheritance tax in addition to or in leu of an estate tax. It doesn't make the tax any more just.

Seriously. The passage of wealth from parent to child is not a transaction that the government should have a claim to.

Unless you're a fucking filthy pig Kennedy, is it even possible for that "transaction" to have not already been taxed??? And Spunker wants it taxed again??? So, what that asshole is condoning is potentially giving up a family business that you simply don't have the $$$ laying around to suddenly pay taxes on ... because it's "income." Monker, go jump in a fucking vat of battery acid and coyote dicks.

[strangegrey]

Also, the distinction to seperate gifts/inheritance from income is there because taxation is predicated on 'wherewithal to pay' concept. Income in most cases, is determined by a conscious act of the tax payer. Not because of an act beyond the control of the taxpayer.


There's a sinister reason behind this. Think about it from the perspective of the taxpayer. A percentage of inheritors never see the 706. They never pay the fucking estate tax bill. The executor does....(and he usually gets fucked, because the IRS wants its pound of flesh earlier than any other claimant to the estate)

So with that in mind, the estate pays the tax and the inheritor gets the money......to their perspective, scott free.


If it were the other way around, as Monkfish suggests, every inheritor in the country would get a tax bill the very instant someone in their family died. Trust me......this would incite a tax revolt.

Think about it from the obsurdity of health care. Most fucking idiots in this country are focused with one thing, with respect to health care costs. How much is their co-pay. Seriously. Let me pay my 10 fucking dollars and let me see the doctor. They dont care about the rest of the cost....even if it's taken out of their ass, in the form of higher taxes. It's not overt, explicit costs...so they dont care. They are short sighted.


If you had an inheritance tax, instead of an estate tax.....people would see a huge chunk out of their parent's money, go right to uncle sam to pay for dead-beat welfare recipients and healthcare kickbacks to Nebraska.

The government knows this....and because they're sly fucking sneaky mother fuckers that want to steal money from families....they do it in the form of Estate Taxes....and they become far more transparent to the inheritor.


It's a sneaky backstabbing way to do it.....and that's the reason it is the way it is.



Trust me, Monker. You'd rather have your deadbeat subsistence in the form of tax dollars stolen in the form of an estate tax. It's hidden. It's not overt. It's covert.

The minute we go to your 'inheritance tax'.....your way of life (living off of uncle sam) is over...because the entire country would fucking burn down congress in a tax revolt that would make the boston tea party look like a fucking sweet 16.

Seriously. It's better the way it is....at least for you and all of the government dependent deadbeats you likely live with.

[separate_wayz]

Investigator hired and paid by ACORN finds no wrongdoing by ACORN.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12/07 ... -at-acorn/


The full report can be read here ....

http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf

[RossValoryRocks]

Investigator hired and paid by ACORN finds no wrongdoing by ACORN.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12/07 ... -at-acorn/


The full report can be read here ....

http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf

The key words are HIRED BY ACORN....

[Monker]

Also, the distinction to seperate gifts/inheritance from income is there because taxation is predicated on 'wherewithal to pay' concept. Income in most cases, is determined by a conscious act of the tax payer. Not because of an act beyond the control of the taxpayer.


There's a sinister reason behind this. Think about it from the perspective of the taxpayer. A percentage of inheritors never see the 706. They never pay the fucking estate tax bill. The executor does....(and he usually gets fucked, because the IRS wants its pound of flesh earlier than any other claimant to the estate)

So with that in mind, the estate pays the tax and the inheritor gets the money......to their perspective, scott free.


If it were the other way around, as Monkfish suggests, every inheritor in the country would get a tax bill the very instant someone in their family died. Trust me......this would incite a tax revolt.

Think about it from the obsurdity of health care. Most fucking idiots in this country are focused with one thing, with respect to health care costs. How much is their co-pay. Seriously. Let me pay my 10 fucking dollars and let me see the doctor. They dont care about the rest of the cost....even if it's taken out of their ass, in the form of higher taxes. It's not overt, explicit costs...so they dont care. They are short sighted.


If you had an inheritance tax, instead of an estate tax.....people would see a huge chunk out of their parent's money, go right to uncle sam to pay for dead-beat welfare recipients and healthcare kickbacks to Nebraska.

The government knows this....and because they're sly fucking sneaky mother fuckers that want to steal money from families....they do it in the form of Estate Taxes....and they become far more transparent to the inheritor.


It's a sneaky backstabbing way to do it.....and that's the reason it is the way it is.



Trust me, Monker. You'd rather have your deadbeat subsistence in the form of tax dollars stolen in the form of an estate tax. It's hidden. It's not overt. It's covert.

The minute we go to your 'inheritance tax'.....your way of life (living off of uncle sam) is over...because the entire country would fucking burn down congress in a tax revolt that would make the boston tea party look like a fucking sweet 16.

Seriously. It's better the way it is....at least for you and all of the government dependent deadbeats you likely live with.

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.

And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

[Ehwmatt]

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.

And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

I pity your class envy. It has probably impeded your own life so much you don't even realize it. Wow.

[Saint John]

Also, the distinction to seperate gifts/inheritance from income is there because taxation is predicated on 'wherewithal to pay' concept. Income in most cases, is determined by a conscious act of the tax payer. Not because of an act beyond the control of the taxpayer.


There's a sinister reason behind this. Think about it from the perspective of the taxpayer. A percentage of inheritors never see the 706. They never pay the fucking estate tax bill. The executor does....(and he usually gets fucked, because the IRS wants its pound of flesh earlier than any other claimant to the estate)

So with that in mind, the estate pays the tax and the inheritor gets the money......to their perspective, scott free.


If it were the other way around, as Monkfish suggests, every inheritor in the country would get a tax bill the very instant someone in their family died. Trust me......this would incite a tax revolt.

Think about it from the obsurdity of health care. Most fucking idiots in this country are focused with one thing, with respect to health care costs. How much is their co-pay. Seriously. Let me pay my 10 fucking dollars and let me see the doctor. They dont care about the rest of the cost....even if it's taken out of their ass, in the form of higher taxes. It's not overt, explicit costs...so they dont care. They are short sighted.


If you had an inheritance tax, instead of an estate tax.....people would see a huge chunk out of their parent's money, go right to uncle sam to pay for dead-beat welfare recipients and healthcare kickbacks to Nebraska.

The government knows this....and because they're sly fucking sneaky mother fuckers that want to steal money from families....they do it in the form of Estate Taxes....and they become far more transparent to the inheritor.


It's a sneaky backstabbing way to do it.....and that's the reason it is the way it is.



Trust me, Monker. You'd rather have your deadbeat subsistence in the form of tax dollars stolen in the form of an estate tax. It's hidden. It's not overt. It's covert.

The minute we go to your 'inheritance tax'.....your way of life (living off of uncle sam) is over...because the entire country would fucking burn down congress in a tax revolt that would make the boston tea party look like a fucking sweet 16.

Seriously. It's better the way it is....at least for you and all of the government dependent deadbeats you likely live with.

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.

And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

The fucking assets being passed on were bought with taxed income, fuckhead. How many times does the government need to dip their fucking meat hooks into something to satisfy you? And why do they need the fucking money anyway ... to give to urchents that don't wanna work? Fuck that.

[strangegrey]

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.

And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

How is it wrong? Their parents earned it. In most cases, worked blood sweat and tears for that fucking money...and it's wrong that they leave this world passing the fruits of their labor to their kin?

You'd rather see that money to go the government, where it's squandered in bailouts, healthcare and welfare? You really are that gullable!??


The problem with your mindset, Munker, is that you view the passage of that wealth as a transaction that needs to be sapped by the government. The fact of the matter is that most *normal* people do NOT view it as a transaction.....and resent the government's inventing of such a transaction, to find another taxable source of funds.


Also, you suggest estate planning as a solution to this....but at the same time, you pontificate that it's wrong that parents should be able to pass an estate to a child....Please tell me you see the distinction here. You've already exposed your extremely limited understanding of the system, but this is a distinction that you need to understand before we can have further intelligent discourse. Out of one side of your mouth, you angrily claim that the government has a right to that money and out of the other side, you suggest that people engage in the practice of tax avoidance?


Shame, shame. Liberals with such flacid morals. To think something like that exists....

[RossValoryRocks]

Can it be?

Republican Scott Brown leads Democrat Martha Coakley by one point, 48 to 47 percent, in Public Policy Polling's new poll of the January 19 special Senate election in Massachusetts to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy.

10.5 months out from the election? Sure...Putting a republican into that seat is probably not going to happen...they would be better off gunning (as in putting their money) into knocking off Democrats who can be definately beat ala Harry Reid.

[treetopovskaya]

"When Obama accepted his apology, Harry Reid got off the phone and said, "Well that was mighty white of him!"

"Look, Harry Reid is not racist. I mean, he's never even been to a Tea Party."

hehe. }:C)

[hoagiepete]

Rats jumping ship?

House Democrats got a jolt Monday when a fourth lawmaker in a matter of weeks announced his retirement, leaving party officials and strategists fearful that they represent the leading edge of a wave of departures that could leave the Democrats vulnerable to significant losses in the 2010 midterm elections.

Democrats who are quitting so far...

Representatives

Rep. Bart Gordon D (Tenn.)
Reps. Dennis Moore D (Kan.)
John Tanner D (Tenn.)
Brian Baird D (Wash.)

Senators


Chris Dodd D (Conn.)
Byron Dorgan D (N.Dakota)

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, acknowledged that "some more" Democratic retirements will be announced before the end of the year.

"Democrats are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and instead of choosing to fight in a difficult political environment, they are taking a pass and opting for retirement."

Moore knew he was toast the moment he voted for the health care bill. He would never be re-elected. He ran from his constituents leading up to the vote, scared to hold one townhall meeting. He was elected by moderate Republicans...he forgot that fact and is now history.

[separate_wayz]

Can it be?

Republican Scott Brown leads Democrat Martha Coakley by one point, 48 to 47 percent, in Public Policy Polling's new poll of the January 19 special Senate election in Massachusetts to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy.

10.5 months out from the election? Sure...Putting a republican into that seat is probably not going to happen...they would be better off gunning (as in putting their money) into knocking off Democrats who can be definately beat ala Harry Reid.

The special election in Massachusetts for the unexpired term of Ted Kennedy will be held on Tuesday, January 19, 2010, nine days from today. The winner will serve the remainder of the term, which ends January 3, 2013.

[RossValoryRocks]

Can it be?

Republican Scott Brown leads Democrat Martha Coakley by one point, 48 to 47 percent, in Public Policy Polling's new poll of the January 19 special Senate election in Massachusetts to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy.

10.5 months out from the election? Sure...Putting a republican into that seat is probably not going to happen...they would be better off gunning (as in putting their money) into knocking off Democrats who can be definately beat ala Harry Reid.

The special election in Massachusetts for the unexpired term of Ted Kennedy will be held on Tuesday, January 19, 2010, nine days from today. The winner will serve the remainder of the term, which ends January 3, 2013.

Ahhhh...I didn't know it was a special election...I thought they appointed someone to fill the post...

[Ehwmatt]

When the fuck is Pelosi's bow-out announcement coming?

[Ehwmatt]

When the fuck is Pelosi's bow-out announcement coming?

Not until the idiots who inhabit San Fran get a clue. Which probably means never. She won't be Madame Speaker after next November however, so that's a good thing.

The only thing she's fit to be "Madame" of is a brothel full of transsexual midgets! FUCK HER

[7 Wishes]

He should resign, and it IS hypocritical. Political bias should not enter into this equation.

I do think you're smoking too much of the good stuff if you think Massachusetts will vote for a Republican, though.

And it is also incorrect to label liberals "racists" because of what Reid said. 95% of these kinds of asinine statements have come from the GOP over the years.

[Saint John]

I thought Reid's comments were spot on. What's the problem with them?

[Saint John]

I thought Reid's comments were spot on. What's the problem with them?

It's just the double standard and political correctness shit gone haywire. Reid has said more than his fair share of stoOpid things and because he's a Dem he gets away with it. You know damned well that if a pubbie says something like that what would happen. It's the goose gander thingEy.

It's politics, a bloodsport in DC.

I guess I'm just used to it. Liberals, by and large, are just plain anti-American filth so when they're hypocritical it just doesn't elicit a response out of me. Any group of people that are against executing rapists and killers, but have no problem killing innocent unborn children really can't be taken seriously. But kill a tree and you've opened the gates to hell. That's why I get such a big kick out of cutting trees down in places I shouldn't be doing so.

[Saint John]

I thought Reid's comments were spot on. What's the problem with them?

It's just the double standard and political correctness shit gone haywire. Reid has said more than his fair share of stoOpid things and because he's a Dem he gets away with it. You know damned well that if a pubbie says something like that what would happen. It's the goose gander thingEy.

It's politics, a bloodsport in DC.

I guess I'm just used to it. Liberals, by and large, are just plain anti-American filth so when they're hypocritical it just doesn't elicit a response out of me. Any group of people that are against executing rapists and killers, but have no problem killing innocent unborn children really can't be taken seriously. But kill a tree and you've opened the gates to hell. That's why I get such a big kick out of cutting trees down in places I shouldn't be doing so.

Yeah, I've never understood the mentality behind "Make Love Not War" yet kill the unwanted fetus is ok bit. Sort of a contradiction I think, but that's just probably me.

"Make Love Not War" ... more like "Hey, let's get stoned, make love and not bathe. And if you get pregnant we'll go get an abortion and then plant a tree."

[7 Wishes]

Sorry, the GOP has zero chance of winning this seat. It just is not going to happen. Pin your hopes somewhere else.

[separate_wayz]

Sorry, the GOP has zero chance of winning this seat. It just is not going to happen. Pin your hopes somewhere else.

"Zero" huh?

Here are some reputable, recent polls:

Suffolk: Brown 50 Coakley 46 Kennedy 3

Rasmussen Reports: Brown 47 Coakley 49 Kennedy 3

Average: Brown 48.5 Coakley 47.5 Kennedy 3

Stuart Rothenberg (The Rothenberg Political Report): race moved to "toss-up"

Charlie Cook (Cook Political Report): race moved to "toss-up"


Sounds to me like the Republicans have about a 50% chance of winning this race -- even money.

Effectively, the Republicans have already won this race, at least in this sense: it's an unmitigated disaster for Brown to even be a player this late in the game (and ahead in some polls) -- as a mere state senator, in a "blue state" won by Obama, running dead even with a statewide-elected Democrat. This race is a warning shot across the bow for other Democrats (in the Senate and House) who are thought to be in "safe" states or districts for 2010.

[RedWingFan]

Sorry, the GOP has zero chance of winning this seat. It just is not going to happen. Pin your hopes somewhere else.

That's exactly what I thought about New Jersey!

[artist4perry]

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.
And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

I pity your class envy. It has probably impeded your own life so much you don't even realize it. Wow.

Yes, but on what Monker said...................Monker......the man who has 3.5 million dollars has been taxed every year for that money. He has already probably paid a lions share of taxes on the money already. Why should the money be double taxed? Because it is a large amount? And what about the people of low income? If you have an estate tax, won't that impact the poor as well? Maybe the rich guy left it to a destitute son. Why punish his son because his parents love him and want to care for him? I would be pissed if they tax my children for me leaving them something when I die.

I am far from rich, but I do own a home. What happens if it is property you have and not money and your children have no way to pay the tax? Goodbye family home or farm. It would be sold and divided to pay the tax. That doesn't seem right at all. Enough taxes! Why not less spending? Then we won't need so many taxes.

[Ehwmatt]

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.
And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

I pity your class envy. It has probably impeded your own life so much you don't even realize it. Wow.

Yes, but on what Monker said...................Monker......the man who has 3.5 million dollars has been taxed every year for that money. He has already probably paid a lions share of taxes on the money already. Why should the money be double taxed? Because it is a large amount? And what about the people of low income? If you have an estate tax, won't that impact the poor as well? Maybe the rich guy left it to a destitute son. Why punish his son because his parents love him and want to care for him? I would be pissed if they tax my children for me leaving them something when I die.

I am far from rich, but I do own a home. What happens if it is property you have and not money and your children have no way to pay the tax? Goodbye family home or farm. It would be sold and divided to pay the tax. That doesn't seem right at all. Enough taxes! Why not less spending? Then we won't need so many taxes.

Ginger, the taxation in this country is out of control and it's about to kill us. We aren't going to survive tax hike after tax hike to fund new program "X".

Luckily, the people are getting sick of it.

[Behshad]

Then, there should be an estate tax simply because I absolutely do not agree that a $3.5million dollar estate should be able to pass it down to their relatives tax free. THAT to me is wrong.
And, again, only the stupid would have this happen to them anyway. PLAN YOUR ESTATE.

I pity your class envy. It has probably impeded your own life so much you don't even realize it. Wow.

Yes, but on what Monker said...................Monker......the man who has 3.5 million dollars has been taxed every year for that money. He has already probably paid a lions share of taxes on the money already. Why should the money be double taxed? Because it is a large amount? And what about the people of low income? If you have an estate tax, won't that impact the poor as well? Maybe the rich guy left it to a destitute son. Why punish his son because his parents love him and want to care for him? I would be pissed if they tax my children for me leaving them something when I die.

I am far from rich, but I do own a home. What happens if it is property you have and not money and your children have no way to pay the tax? Goodbye family home or farm. It would be sold and divided to pay the tax. That doesn't seem right at all. Enough taxes! Why not less spending? Then we won't need so many taxes.

Ginger, the taxation in this country is out of control and it's about to kill us. We aren't going to survive tax hike after tax hike to fund new program "X".

Luckily, the people are getting sick of it.

Youre up already?? didnt expect to see you here before noon

[Ehwmatt]

Youre up already?? didnt expect to see you here before noon

Been up since 9 son, I don't get scared of hangovers. I just have to take a massive shit and get a little food in me and I'm ready to watch some football

[Behshad]

Youre up already?? didnt expect to see you here before noon

Been up since 9 son, I don't get scared of hangovers. I just have to take a massive shit and get a little food in me and I'm ready to watch some football

Sounds good , dad . Happy pooping !

[separate_wayz]

Regarding the U.S. Senate special election in Massachusetts, political analyst Jon Keller of WBZ-TV and WBZ Radio (Boston) writes in a Wall Street Journal op-ed:

Are we in for another shot heard 'round the world? Perhaps. More likely, listen for the sound of horse hooves on the pavement, and a modern-day version of Paul Revere's historic warning—the backlash is coming.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... %3Darticle

Keller's point is that the Massachusetts Democratic machine is likely to (but not by any means guaranteed to) pull out a win for Coakley. But, regardless, the effect of Brown's candidacy will be to send deep shockwaves through the 2010 election cycle.

[Behshad]

One year out: Obama's fall

Charles Krauthammer

What went wrong? A year ago, he was king of the world. Now President Obama's approval rating, according to CBS, has dropped to 46 percent — and his disapproval rating is the highest ever recorded by Gallup at the beginning of an (elected) president's second year.

A year ago, he was leader of a liberal ascendancy that would last 40 years (James Carville). A year ago, conservatism was dead (Rockindeano, Sam Tanenhaus). Now the race to fill Ted Kennedy's Senate seat in bluest of blue Massachusetts is surprisingly close, with a virtually unknown state senator bursting on the scene by turning the election into a mini-referendum on Obama and his agenda, most particularly health-care reform.

A year ago, Obama was the most charismatic politician on earth. Today the thrill is gone, the doubts growing — even among erstwhile believers.

Wholy fuckin shit! Charles Krauthammer mentioned ROCKINDEANO!???