President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[hoagiepete]

the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... h-jwf.html

besides, what difference does it make if a politician makes a speech using cue cards or a teleprompter anyways? If you mean to suggest that most politicians give a speech from memory, you're flat wrong.

Just saying it seems he isn't preparing for his speeches and can't seem to carry on with out a teleprompter. He reads his speechs like it is the first time he has read them.

Don't think anyone said he should memorize anything. Do you really think anyone would suggest that? Come on.

I am about convinced his speaking pattern has developed from waiting on the next line of the prompter to appear.

[Saint John]

are you serious? clinton has been raked over the coals for weeks now about this.

Never heard about it once. He's a typical democrat, though. Gives blacks what they want, preferential treatment and makes sure they feel oppressed enough in order to get their vote. But deep down he doesn't give 2 fucks about them and this is as close to a smoking gun as you'll ever see. He deep sixed her campaign just like he did Gore's. Dude needs to go retire somewhere with a gaggle of cheap hookers. Total scum.

[Ehwmatt]

the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... h-jwf.html

besides, what difference does it make if a politician makes a speech using cue cards or a teleprompter anyways? If you mean to suggest that most politicians give a speech from memory, you're flat wrong.

Just saying it seems he isn't preparing for his speeches and can't seem to carry on with out a teleprompter. He reads his speechs like it is the first time he has read them.

Don't think anyone said he should memorize anything. Do you really think anyone would suggest that? Come on.

I am about convinced his speaking pattern has developed from waiting on the next line of the prompter to appear.

He also really relies on hackneyed expressions that lead to the impression that he's "articulate," but it just comes off as choppy and overdone, as exemplified by his constant preface "Let me be clear" followed by a pause and a glance around the room.

[Lula]

the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... h-jwf.html

besides, what difference does it make if a politician makes a speech using cue cards or a teleprompter anyways? If you mean to suggest that most politicians give a speech from memory, you're flat wrong.

Just saying it seems he isn't preparing for his speeches and can't seem to carry on with out a teleprompter. He reads his speechs like it is the first time he has read them.

Don't think anyone said he should memorize anything. Do you really think anyone would suggest that? Come on.

I am about convinced his speaking pattern has developed from waiting on the next line of the prompter to appear.

be sure to tune in to his first state of the union wed nite. i think you just might have a change of heart.

[Saint John]

be sure to tune in to his first state of the union wed nite. i think you just might have a change of heart.

I wonder when he's gonna don a turban.

[Ehwmatt]

be sure to tune in to his first state of the union wed nite. i think you just might have a change of heart.

I wonder when he's gonna don a turban.

Photoshop please someone

[treetopovskaya]

"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee," the former president told the liberal lion from Massachusetts, according to the gossipy new campaign book, "Game Change."

could clinton have meant that he felt obama didn't have the experience needed to be potus? he goes from barely being a senator to potus.

a lot of what people say can be taken out of context.

especially gossip... pfft.

[hoagiepete]

be sure to tune in to his first state of the union wed nite. i think you just might have a change of heart.

I hope you are right!

However, should we do a shot game with how many times he refers to "inheriting" something or says, "let me be clear"? Or maybe someone could place the over/under line on the above and get some friendly wagers going.

[7 Wishes]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

[separate_wayz]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

I think there's not much dissent on the notion that B. Obama is "extremely well-spoken". For me, as for others I suspect, we'd trade a little articulation for some consistent principles and substantive content in his speeches and actions. During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants. Now he's striking a pose as a populist, seemingly taking a hard-line with Wall Street. It's all coming across as grossly insincere and inconsistent, no matter how extremely well-spoken he is.

It's interesting to me that many of Obama's qualities that served him well during the campaign (sense of aloofness, sense of entitlement or historicity, soaring rhetoric) now seem for him to be a liability as President. They seem to prevent him from connecting with voters in a meaningful way. The jabs at Obama for his use of teleprompters (whether the overuse has been actual or exaggerated) seem to underscore this point -- it's a caricature that's believable.

[Lula]

During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants.

name one left wing policy Obama has pursued in office that he didn't campaign on. emergency actions like rescuing the banks and the auto-industry do not count.

[separate_wayz]

During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants.

name one left wing policy Obama has pursued in office that he didn't campaign on. emergency actions like rescuing the banks and the auto-industry do not count.

Pursuing his health care agenda, even as polls and protests showed its increasing unpopularity (in fact a majority not approving of it, with major contention and hesitation even among Democrats), was a left-wing policy. I don't think voters had any sense in 2008 that Obama would ideologically pursue a series of left-wing policies and initiatives, even if voters increasingly soured on them as they heard the details.

[Behshad]

During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants.

name one left wing policy Obama has pursued in office that he didn't campaign on. emergency actions like rescuing the banks and the auto-industry do not count.

Pursuing his health care agenda, even as polls and protests showed its increasing unpopularity (in fact a majority not approving of it, with major contention and hesitation even among Democrats), was a left-wing policy. I don't think voters had any sense in 2008 that Obama would ideologically pursue a series of left-wing policies and initiatives, even if voters increasingly soured on them as they heard the details.

But people voting in those poll didnt even have the right answer..... its much easier for them to say " well sure, the health care needs changed but his plan isnt the answer".,... than actually come up with an answer and solution....
Its not like Bush listened to many of the polls either,, he carried on and pursused what he thought was best(for himself).....

[Lula]

During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants.

name one left wing policy Obama has pursued in office that he didn't campaign on. emergency actions like rescuing the banks and the auto-industry do not count.

Pursuing his health care agenda, even as polls and protests showed its increasing unpopularity (in fact a majority not approving of it, with major contention and hesitation even among Democrats), was a left-wing policy.

sorry. if that's all you got thats pretty weak. the healthcare reform he campaigned on included a public option. that has since been dropped. you said he campaigned moderately and then swung to the left. if that is true,, why is the resulting healthcare bill a patchwork of concessions to blue dog democrats and moderate republicans like olympia snowe and joe lieberman?
an example of going to the left might be proposing canadian-style single payer and jamming it through with reconcilliation as bush did with his tax cuts.

[RedWingFan]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related

And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.

[Rockindeano]

I don't think voters had any sense in 2008 that Obama would ideologically pursue a series of left-wing policies and initiatives, even if voters increasingly soured on them as they heard the details.

Oh you don't? How the fuck you think the term "Socialist" was introduced? Cons mocked every idea he presented and coined that fabulous scare tactic name.

[Behshad]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related

And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.

But he did surround himself with lots of Arabs and the Bin Laden family !

[RedWingFan]

During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants.

name one left wing policy Obama has pursued in office that he didn't campaign on. emergency actions like rescuing the banks and the auto-industry do not count.

Does asking Americans to turn in their fellow citizens for uttering dissenting opinions count? That's left-wing enough to make Lenin and Stalin proud!

[RedWingFan]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related

And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.

But he did surround himself with lots of Arabs and the Bin Laden family !

Exactly how many Arabs and Bin Laden's were in Bush's administration?

[Behshad]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related

And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.

But he did surround himself with lots of Arabs and the Bin Laden family !

Exactly how many Arabs and Bin Laden's were in Bush's administration?

sitting in his living room and have tea parties with them, is even worse than having them in the administration....

[RedWingFan]

I don't think voters had any sense in 2008 that Obama would ideologically pursue a series of left-wing policies and initiatives, even if voters increasingly soured on them as they heard the details.

Oh you don't? How the fuck you think the term "Socialist" was introduced? Cons mocked every idea he presented and coined that fabulous scare tactic name.

It wasn't a scare tactic Dean. It was the truth. That's why Obama and the Dems are in the deep hole they are in. Most American's simply didn't want to believe it. They fell for the endless platatudes of "Hope and Change". The veil has been dropped. They lost a senate seat in Massachussetts for God's sake! Even the deep blue of Mass. sees and rejects what he really is. If Dems can lose in Mass, they can lose anywhere.

[Lula]

During the campaign, Obama appeared as a vague moderate. During his first year of governing, he's acted like a left-winger pursuing his own agenda irrespective of what the populace wants.

name one left wing policy Obama has pursued in office that he didn't campaign on. emergency actions like rescuing the banks and the auto-industry do not count.

Does asking Americans to turn in their fellow citizens for uttering dissenting opinions count? That's left-wing enough to make Lenin and Stalin proud!

i always tell my students if you can't debate honestly, you've already lost. yes the obama administration asked for emails to be forwarded. given the volume of false right wing spam emails posted on this forum regularly, id say it was a wise move. besides, i seem to faintly recall something about the previous administration trampling on the first and fourth amendment, and you saying nothing. at least obama's email forwarding policy was announced publicly. bush's violations were done under the cover of darkness.

[RedWingFan]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related
And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.

But he did surround himself with lots of Arabs and the Bin Laden family !

Exactly how many Arabs and Bin Laden's were in Bush's administration?

sitting in his living room and have tea parties with them, is even worse than having them in the administration....

Ummmm...okay, I think I'll skip this and debate someone that doesn't make moronic statements. Thanks anyways!

[Lula]

I don't think voters had any sense in 2008 that Obama would ideologically pursue a series of left-wing policies and initiatives, even if voters increasingly soured on them as they heard the details.

Oh you don't? How the fuck you think the term "Socialist" was introduced? Cons mocked every idea he presented and coined that fabulous scare tactic name.

It wasn't a scare tactic Dean. It was the truth. That's why Obama and the Dems are in the deep hole they are in. Most American's simply didn't want to believe it. They fell for the endless platatudes of "Hope and Change". The veil has been dropped. They lost a senate seat in Massachussetts for God's sake! Even the deep blue of Mass. sees and rejects what he really is. If Dems can lose in Mass, they can lose anywhere.

if obama is socialist, why did he squander all of his political capital propping capitalism back up???? hellooo??? the reason the deficit is as high as it is, is because obama has been throwing wheelbarrows of cash at the financial sector. a real socialist like bernie sanders wants the system to come tumbling down.

[separate_wayz]

I don't think voters had any sense in 2008 that Obama would ideologically pursue a series of left-wing policies and initiatives, even if voters increasingly soured on them as they heard the details.

Oh you don't? How the fuck you think the term "Socialist" was introduced? Cons mocked every idea he presented and coined that fabulous scare tactic name.

I'm talking about the "median voter" -- the moderate independents (i.e., swing voters) who voted for Obama (or were at least favorable toward him) and now have abandoned him in droves (as evidenced by the races in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts).

[hoagiepete]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

This is absolutely not a case of hypocrisy. I was embarrassed for GW when he stumbled around.

However, having met him in a smaller group setting...me and "100 of my closest personal friends" I can tell you he was much more articulate in person than what the media made him out to be. He spoke for almost an hour on key issues, without a teleprompter in sight. Just some pieces of paper. As a matter of fact, the media was at the session I attended and Letterman picked it up. They took bits and pieces of the question and answer session, slicing them together to make a good bit. They could do the same with Obama or anyone they choose. Obama stutters around quite a bit when not on script.

The focus of my original comments was on the annoying fact he needs a teleprompter everytime he speaks and more importantly his apparent lack of preparation. Hell, GW might have done just fine had he had a traveling teleprompter wherever he went. I do admit, part of the reason I felt compelled to bring it up is due in part to the way the libs tried to, and still do, massacre GW, when your new guy is far from perfect.

Congrats on waiting this long to bring up GW. It took much longer than expected.

[Behshad]

It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related
And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.

But he did surround himself with lots of Arabs and the Bin Laden family !

Exactly how many Arabs and Bin Laden's were in Bush's administration?

sitting in his living room and have tea parties with them, is even worse than having them in the administration....

Ummmm...okay, I think I'll skip this and debate someone that doesn't make moronic statements. Thanks anyways!

So you finally realized that youre a moron !?
Just be honest and tell me how you wouldve reacted if you would see footage of Obama kissing Saudi's & Bin Laden family ....

[RedWingFan]

i seem to faintly recall something about the previous administration trampling on the first and fourth amendment, and you saying nothing.

I assume you're referring to the monitoring of American's overseas phone calls, in an effort to defend against possible attacks in the war on terror? I have no problem with calls to foreign countries being monitored if it means possibly thwarting an attack and saving lives.

yes the obama administration asked for emails to be forwarded. given the volume of false right wing spam emails posted on this forum regularly, id say it was a wise move.

So you oppose the above to thwart attacks and save lives, but it's a "wise move" for Obama to attempt to target Americans for his politial well being?

i always tell my students if you can't debate honestly, you've already lost........
at least obama's email forwarding policy was announced publicly. bush's violations were done under the cover of darkness.

Yeah, Bush should have had all cell phones being monitored flash in big red letters that their call may be monitored!

[Lula]

i seem to faintly recall something about the previous administration trampling on the first and fourth amendment, and you saying nothing.

I assume you're referring to the monitoring of American's overseas phone calls, in an effort to defend against possible attacks in the war on terror? I have no problem with calls to foreign countries being monitored if it means possibly thwarting an attack and saving lives.

yes the obama administration asked for emails to be forwarded. given the volume of false right wing spam emails posted on this forum regularly, id say it was a wise move.

So you oppose the above to thwart attacks and save lives, but it's a "wise move" for Obama to attempt to target Americans for his politial well being?

i always tell my students if you can't debate honestly, you've already lost........
at least obama's email forwarding policy was announced publicly. bush's violations were done under the cover of darkness.

Yeah, Bush should have had all cell phones being monitored flash in big red letters that their call may be monitored!

asking for misinformation to be forwarded is not against any law. it is frequently done by political campaigns all the time. wiretaps that bypass the fisa courts was illegal.

[RedWingFan]

if obama is socialist, why did he squander all of his political capital propping capitalism back up???? hellooo??? the reason the deficit is as high as it is, is because obama has been throwing wheelbarrows of cash at the financial sector. a real socialist like bernie sanders wants the system to come tumbling down.

He did it in hopes that companies wouldn't be able to pay it back and he'd have control of them and be able to fire GM's Rick Wagoner and control them.
The reason the the deficit is skyrocketing is because of the stimulus slush fund Obama created that isn't "creating or saving" jack squat!
What a monumental stupid idea. Pull money out of the economy to put money into the economy!

If that makes sense to you then so will this.

You want to increase the depth of the shallow end of your swimming pool? Get a bucket and walk to the deep end. Dip the bucket in the water. Walk back to the shallow end and dump it in. Repeat until you get the desired water depth!