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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:04 am

Lula wrote:
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Lula wrote:i seem to faintly recall something about the previous administration trampling on the first and fourth amendment, and you saying nothing.

I assume you're referring to the monitoring of American's overseas phone calls, in an effort to defend against possible attacks in the war on terror? I have no problem with calls to foreign countries being monitored if it means possibly thwarting an attack and saving lives.
Lula wrote:yes the obama administration asked for emails to be forwarded. given the volume of false right wing spam emails posted on this forum regularly, id say it was a wise move.

So you oppose the above to thwart attacks and save lives, but it's a "wise move" for Obama to attempt to target Americans for his politial well being?
Lula wrote:i always tell my students if you can't debate honestly, you've already lost........
at least obama's email forwarding policy was announced publicly. bush's violations were done under the cover of darkness.
Yeah, Bush should have had all cell phones being monitored flash in big red letters that their call may be monitored! :roll:

asking for misinformation to be forwarded is not against any law. it is frequently done by political campaigns all the time. wiretaps that bypass the fisa courts was illegal.

Political campaigns are not the office of the Executive branch of the United States!!!!
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Postby Lula » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:08 am

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Lula wrote:if obama is socialist, why did he squander all of his political capital propping capitalism back up???? hellooo??? the reason the deficit is as high as it is, is because obama has been throwing wheelbarrows of cash at the financial sector. a real socialist like bernie sanders wants the system to come tumbling down.

He did it in hopes that companies wouldn't be able to pay it back and he'd have control of them and be able to fire GM's Rick Wagoner and control them.
The reason the the deficit is skyrocketing is because of the stimulus slush fund Obama created that isn't "creating or saving" jack squat!
What a monumental stupid idea. Pull money out of the economy to put money into the economy!

If that makes sense to you then so will this.

You want to increase the depth of the shallow end of your swimming pool? Get a bucket and walk to the deep end. Dip the bucket in the water. Walk back to the shallow end and dump it in. Repeat until you get the desired water depth!


you're not making very much sense. if obama so badly wanted to control the banks, he could've easily fired the boards of directors and nationalized them, as many suggested he do. lots of things in economics seem counter intuitive on their face. there was going to be a stimulus no matter who was the president, and if roads and bridges can get built in the meantime, all the better.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:22 am

You want to increase the depth of the shallow end of your swimming pool? Get a bucket and walk to the deep end. Dip the bucket in the water. Walk back to the shallow end and dump it in. Repeat until you get the desired water depth!

haha! }:C)

or... take 1 dollar bill cut it in half... now you have $2! WOOHOO! }=C)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:47 pm

What a surprise, this newspaper writing whackjob is from ... drum roll please.... CALIFORNIA

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Postby conversationpc » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:48 am

7 Wishes wrote:It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.


Has anyone here defended Bush's speaking, or lack thereof, skills? I posted about this on my blog yesterday and mentioned Bush's lacking in this area.

http://davekellogg.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... able-bond/

Lula wrote:the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.


I don't think I've seen it reported anywhere that he used the teleprompters to speak to the kids. It just seems like the wrong setting to have that stuff there in the first place, though.
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:12 am

treetopovskaya wrote:
or... take 1 dollar bill cut it in half... now you have $2! WOOHOO! }=C)


lol I always used to try to convince my sister to trade dimes for nickels. The nickels are bigger , so more valuable Id say.

I ripped her off something silly. Now shes a doctor , wont lend me money (and wont offer to fix any of my ailiments, payback is a bitch)
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Postby Lula » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:02 am

conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.


I don't think I've seen it reported anywhere that he used the teleprompters to speak to the kids. It just seems like the wrong setting to have that stuff there in the first place, though.


then you haven't been paying attention. the whole reason ff posted the pic and pete commented was because they saw a pic of, quote, "Obama using his teleprompters to speak to a group of 6th graders."
if people weren't thinking the prompters were for the kids, why else did hotair feel the need to release a correction about it?? you take away the sixth graders and u have no story. just a small sampling of websites that got it wrong.

http://www.drudge.com/news/129350/obama ... ing-speech
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436771/posts
http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/25/obama ... pter-while
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/stor ... 6th-grade/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... -media-mum
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... class.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/addressi ... leprompter
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537861/pg2
http://209.157.64.200/focus/bloggers/24 ... ts?page=97
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/did ... l-children
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/01/25/ ... nt-page-1/
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:08 am

Lula wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.


I don't think I've seen it reported anywhere that he used the teleprompters to speak to the kids. It just seems like the wrong setting to have that stuff there in the first place, though.


then you haven't been paying attention. the whole reason ff posted the pic and pete commented was because they saw a pic of, quote, "Obama using his teleprompters to speak to a group of 6th graders."
if people weren't thinking the prompters were for the kids, why else did hotair feel the need to release a correction about it?? you take away the sixth graders and u have no story. just a small sampling of websites that got it wrong.

http://www.drudge.com/news/129350/obama ... ing-speech
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436771/posts
http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/25/obama ... pter-while
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/stor ... 6th-grade/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... -media-mum
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... class.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/addressi ... leprompter
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537861/pg2
http://209.157.64.200/focus/bloggers/24 ... ts?page=97
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/did ... l-children
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/01/25/ ... nt-page-1/


Are you Ellie White?
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Postby Lula » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:18 am

Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:19 am

Lula wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.


LOL. Empathetic liberalism on display, behold folks :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:14 am

Lula wrote:then you haven't been paying attention.


The three or four news stories I heard/read did not say he used it when speaking to the children but afterward.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:52 am

Lula wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.


Deano? Deano is that you??

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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:56 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.


Deano? Deano is that you??

SURVERY SAYS??? YES!!!! LOL


:lol: :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:38 am

Fact Finder wrote:He can't even talk to grown men about business without that thing.


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LOL dude that bottom comic is hilarious!
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:43 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.


Deano? Deano is that you??

SURVEY SAYS??? YES!!!! LOL


I have NO reason to hide behind anothers' screen name. Try again.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:47 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.


Deano? Deano is that you??

SURVEY SAYS??? YES!!!! LOL


I have NO reason to hide behind anothers' screen name. Try again.


Never have I heard or seen Lula comment like that...you I have so it was natural to believe it was you...
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Postby StevePerryHair » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:52 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: Are you Ellie White?

no. are you a condescending snot-nosed little shit who has had everything handed to him on a silver tray? survery says....yes!
go away little man.


Deano? Deano is that you??

SURVEY SAYS??? YES!!!! LOL


I have NO reason to hide behind anothers' screen name. Try again.


Never have I heard or seen Lula comment like that...you I have so it was natural to believe it was you...


I think Matthew just has a gift for pushing buttons at times :wink: :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:55 am

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I think Matthew just has a gift for pushing buttons at times :wink: :lol:


Thanks Lynn! That's the best compliment I've gotten all day.
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Postby hoagiepete » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:57 am

Lula wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:the teleprompters weren't used for speaking to the kids. this has already been debunked.


I don't think I've seen it reported anywhere that he used the teleprompters to speak to the kids. It just seems like the wrong setting to have that stuff there in the first place, though.


then you haven't been paying attention. the whole reason ff posted the pic and pete commented was because they saw a pic of, quote, "Obama using his teleprompters to speak to a group of 6th graders."
if people weren't thinking the prompters were for the kids, why else did hotair feel the need to release a correction about it?? you take away the sixth graders and u have no story. just a small sampling of websites that got it wrong.

http://www.drudge.com/news/129350/obama ... ing-speech
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436771/posts
http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/25/obama ... pter-while
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/stor ... 6th-grade/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... -media-mum
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... class.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/addressi ... leprompter
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread537861/pg2
http://209.157.64.200/focus/bloggers/24 ... ts?page=97
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/did ... l-children
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/01/25/ ... nt-page-1/


hoagiepete wrote:There is an article today with a picture of Obama using his teleprompters to speak to a group of 6th graders. This teleprompter thing is starting to bug me.

Is he not capable of speaking without reading his script?

If not, why? I'm sure he's a bright guy so you would think he is capable. Is he too lazy to learn his speech? Having given 100s of speeches in my career, being prepared for some more than others, he reminds me of how I felt when I wasn't prepared.

He's not even very good at reading the teleprompter, with weird pauses and emphasis on words when he shouldn't. He comes across as reading the speech for the first time.

Add this to the lack of effort in vetting appointees and his staff blowing protocol on several occasions, likely because they just didn't research it, I get the sense that he and his staff are still having fun being the president and not doing the things needed to be done as president. Sure he has a laundry list of things he is trying to do, but how well is he doing any of them?

I'm not comparing him to any other president, only Obama on his merits. Is he putting in the time and energy into this he should? Don't know. Just posing the question.


I did mention the article I saw and it did lead me to posting, but I have had the same concerns for months before seeing the most recent article. You seem to be missing or avoiding the entire point of my post! Split pubic hairs if you want, but the questions I posed remain.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:32 am

hoagiepete wrote:I did mention the article I saw and it did lead me to posting, but I have had the same concerns for months before seeing the most recent article. You seem to be missing or avoiding the entire point of my post! Split pubic hairs if you want, but the questions I posed remain.


Hoagie, even I'm not quite sure what you're point is...
If you're saying Obama can't talk off-script or think fast on his feet, you'd be correct.
This was obvious to anyone who peeled back the fawning media hype, and took a look at him early on.
He routinely got his ass kicked in every single debate.
Some early critics labeled him a "flannel mouth."
I even said his stutter-stammer cadence was reminscient of a black Dubya, and that was before the election.
It is, what it is.
I think it speaks volumes about McCain that he couldn't run circles around him.
Should the GOP put up a silver-tongued slick operator like Romney next go-round, look out.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:38 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:I did mention the article I saw and it did lead me to posting, but I have had the same concerns for months before seeing the most recent article. You seem to be missing or avoiding the entire point of my post! Split pubic hairs if you want, but the questions I posed remain.


Hoagie, even I'm not quite sure what you're point is...
If you're saying Obama can't talk off-script or think fast on his feet, you'd be correct.
This was obvious to anyone who peeled back the fawning media hype, and took a look at him early on.
He routinely got his ass kicked in every single debate.
Some early critics labeled him a "flannel mouth."
I even said his stutter-stammer cadence was reminscient of a black Dubya, and that was before the election.
It is, what it is.
I think it speaks volumes about McCain that he couldn't run circles around him.
Should the GOP put up a silver-tongued slick operator like Romney next go-round, look out.


It's still unbelievable to me that the Repubs put McDonkey out there. Oh well, that's what you get when you have a crummy system where each guy gets his "turn" :roll: :roll:
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Postby donnaplease » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:25 pm

Behshad wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Behshad wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:It's unbelievable you guys defended the most inarticulate commander-in-chief in history, our current President's predecessor, yet berate Obama - who most feel is EXTREMELY well-spoken. Just another instance of pure hypocrisy.

Who said anything about Obama's predecessor????
How about trying not to divert attention from your "EXTREMELY well-spoken" president?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTY ... re=related

And before you go and post Bush's verbal gaffes remember at least Bush didn't surround himself with Communists and Mao admirers! You know, important stuff like that.


But he did surround himself with lots of Arabs and the Bin Laden family ! :?

Exactly how many Arabs and Bin Laden's were in Bush's administration? :roll:


sitting in his living room and have tea parties with them, is even worse than having them in the administration.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



Speaking of living rooms... where did BO kick off his political career again? :?
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Postby Behshad » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:26 pm

Great speech! I know Stu will agree with me. Rest of you , have at it. Bring on the negativity ;)
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:28 pm

donnaplease wrote:
Speaking of living rooms... where did BO kick off his political career again? :?


Wasn't it in Bill Ayers' living room?
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:39 pm

Behshad wrote:Great speech! I know Stu will agree with me. Rest of you , have at it. Bring on the negativity ;)


Give the man a teleprompter and a good speech and he could convince a KKK member to join the NAACP...

Doesn't mean he is right...because obviously he is WAAAAAAYYYYY to the left....

1 and done if he doesn't pull his head out of his ass like Clinton did after '94...
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:02 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Behshad wrote:Great speech! I know Stu will agree with me. Rest of you , have at it. Bring on the negativity ;)


Give the man a teleprompter and a good speech and he could convince a KKK member to join the NAACP...

Doesn't mean he is right...because obviously he is WAAAAAAYYYYY to the left....

1 and done if he doesn't pull his head out of his ass like Clinton did after '94...


At least Clinton had the sense to moderate and move to the center after being owned in the midterm elections. I am astounded at the audacity (of delusion, not of hope) that he put on display tonight by continuing to push his radical leftist agenda. I truly live in a world I don't understand.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:03 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:I am astounded at the audacity (of delusion, not of hope) that he put on display tonight by continuing to push his radical leftist agenda. I truly live in a world I don't understand.


Did we watch the same speech?
Among the red meat tossed at fiscal hawks tonight was - a spending freeze, reinstating paygo, and earmark reform.
Hell, he even adressed our trade deficit...something I haven't heard take presidential center stage in years.
I'd say he out-conservatived the conservatives.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:04 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:I am astounded at the audacity (of delusion, not of hope) that he put on display tonight by continuing to push his radical leftist agenda. I truly live in a world I don't understand.


Did we watch the same speech?
Among the red meat tossed at fiscal hawks tonight was - a spending freeze, reinstating paygo, and earmark reform.
Hell, he even adressed our trade deficit...something I haven't heard take presidential center stage in years.
I'd say he out-conservatived the conservatives.


In addition to saying he's still going to push health care, cap and trade, and another stimulus package?

Out-conservative the buffoon Republicans, maybe. Out-conservative the actual conservatives in the country (as in the people, not the buffoon politicians)? If that's true, I better change my own ideological identification.
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Postby hoagiepete » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:09 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:I did mention the article I saw and it did lead me to posting, but I have had the same concerns for months before seeing the most recent article. You seem to be missing or avoiding the entire point of my post! Split pubic hairs if you want, but the questions I posed remain.


Hoagie, even I'm not quite sure what you're point is...
If you're saying Obama can't talk off-script or think fast on his feet, you'd be correct.
This was obvious to anyone who peeled back the fawning media hype, and took a look at him early on.
He routinely got his ass kicked in every single debate.
Some early critics labeled him a "flannel mouth."
I even said his stutter-stammer cadence was reminscient of a black Dubya, and that was before the election.
It is, what it is.
I think it speaks volumes about McCain that he couldn't run circles around him.
Should the GOP put up a silver-tongued slick operator like Romney next go-round, look out.


I'll try again. My point was that it appears he is unprepared, day in day out, for his job as chief executive and seems to be making little effort to be prepared. It appears he is reading telespeeches for the first time when he is giving them. If he is too busy saving the world to prepare for a speech, I could excuse it, but I just get the feeling he's too giddy being "president".
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:11 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:I am astounded at the audacity (of delusion, not of hope) that he put on display tonight by continuing to push his radical leftist agenda. I truly live in a world I don't understand.


Did we watch the same speech?
Among the red meat tossed at fiscal hawks tonight was - a spending freeze, reinstating paygo, and earmark reform.
Hell, he even adressed our trade deficit...something I haven't heard take presidential center stage in years.
I'd say he out-conservatived the conservatives.


Yes yes...a spending freeze he said prior he doesn't believe in...because it's a "hatchet" and he believes in using a "scalpel"...damn inconvienent when there is audio of a person contradicting themselves...

Wait...I know you will bring up that republican Presidents have done so...yes yes we know...but they aren't President NOW...Obama is...

He is about as much a conservative as I am a tree-hugging, card carrying member of P.E.T.A. as in NOT AT ALL...he can throw all the conservative bones in a speech he wants to throw, the proof is in the actions of his administration. The only PROOF of anything based on actions is that he and the democrat leadership in congress either don't care about, or are just oblivious to what the very people they claim to represent want.
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