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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:23 am

Pretty high-octane stuff so far. Braylon catches his first touchdown as a Jet, the Dolphins are running all over the place... good stuff.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:10 pm

Anybody watchin this fuckin game? Lots of huge plays. Ted Ginn just went deep for 6! Miami up 4 in the 4th, 10 mins to go...

And I wanted to get to bed early tonight.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:15 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:Anybody watchin this fuckin game? Lots of huge plays. Ted Ginn just went deep for 6! Miami up 4 in the 4th, 10 mins to go...

And I wanted to get to bed early tonight.


All over it dude. Great freakin' game to watch. Far more offense than I thought we'd be looking at tonight. Miami's douchebag "wildcat" offense drives me fucking nuts, but it works well for what their team is. It's way too gimmicky for the NFL but it allows them to control the clock, which is what you have to do with an inexperienced QB. I'm obviously pulling for Miami all the way in this one. The Patriots need all the help they can get at this point!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:16 pm

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Ehwmatt wrote:Anybody watchin this fuckin game? Lots of huge plays. Ted Ginn just went deep for 6! Miami up 4 in the 4th, 10 mins to go...

And I wanted to get to bed early tonight.


All over it dude. Great freakin' game to watch. Far more offense than I thought we'd be looking at tonight. Miami's douchebag "wildcat" offense drives me fucking nuts, but it works well for what their team is. It's way too gimmicky for the NFL but it allows them to control the clock, which is what you have to do with an inexperienced QB. I'm obviously pulling for Miami all the way in this one. The Patriots need all the help they can get at this point!


I'd really like to see the Browns try this with Cribbs. He was a QB in college and he can certainly be as effective as Ronnie Brown. I'd love to see them throw the wildcat at the Steelers Sunday. What do we have to lose?
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:17 pm

Gotta give props to Ricky Williams, never thought he'd be running like this ever again after all his issues
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:27 pm

WOW! 100% bogus call.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:34 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:WOW! 100% bogus call.


If you're talking about that phantom pass interference call on Braylon in the end zone, I agree. That was a HORRIBLE call! The officials in the NFL REALLY need to do a better job with the pass interference rule. I see half a dozen of those calls every weekend that are simply ridiculous!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:35 pm

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Ehwmatt wrote:WOW! 100% bogus call.


If you're talking about that phantom pass interference call on Braylon in the end zone, I agree. That was a HORRIBLE call! The officials in the NFL REALLY need to do a better job with the pass interference rule. I see half a dozen of those calls every weekend that are simply ridiculous!


Definitely... that might cost Miami the game. Totally undeserved. All those acting lessons Braylon took in lieu of working on his football skills the last 4 years must have really paid off!
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:38 pm

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Definitely... that might cost Miami the game. Totally undeserved. All those acting lessons Braylon took in lieu of working on his football skills the last 4 years must have really paid off!


I've been one of Braylon's harshest critics, because he drops way too many fucking passes. That said, the dude is playing his ass off in this game, and the touchdown that got called back (That Jones ran in) was a touchdown, and at the very least, there certainly wasn't "indisputable visual evidence" to reverse the touchdown call that was made on the field, so he should have two td's in this game! Not bad for his debut in a new offense!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:42 pm

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Ehwmatt wrote:
Definitely... that might cost Miami the game. Totally undeserved. All those acting lessons Braylon took in lieu of working on his football skills the last 4 years must have really paid off!


I've been one of Braylon's harshest critics, because he drops way too many fucking passes. That said, the dude is playing his ass off in this game, and the touchdown that got called back (That Jones ran in) was a touchdown, and at the very least, there certainly wasn't "indisputable visual evidence" to reverse the touchdown call that was made on the field, so he should have two td's in this game! Not bad for his debut in a new offense!


I knew he'd play well for NYJ, at least at first. He simply quit on us a while ago and he wore his welcome out in town. Some of the catches he made tonight he wouldn't have even tried for with us. The guy is a huge talent, there is no disputing that. I HOPE he does well, because we get a 2nd rounder if he catches a certain number of passes.

Just wait for the first bad game and crybaby Braylon will start whining and dropping passes and tanking routes again. He thinks Cleveland media and fans were brutal... LOL.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:45 pm

Ehwmatt wrote: I HOPE he does well, because we get a 2nd rounder if he catches a certain number of passes.



Same reason the Raiders can't lose enough for my taste. The Patriots have their number one pick in the next draft for the Seymour trade (a lot good that trade did the Raiders). On another note...what I fucking game. I love this kid Henne...a lot!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:46 pm

HELL of an effort by Miami! Game-winning drive. Unbelievable. The Dolphins simply did not deserve to be sitting at 1-4. They are an unpredictable, explosive team that had the misfortune of a pretty tough opening 5 games... Colts, Chargers, Falcons, and the lowly Bills before winning this tough game against the Jets.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:47 pm

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Ehwmatt wrote: I HOPE he does well, because we get a 2nd rounder if he catches a certain number of passes.



Same reason the Raiders can't lose enough for my taste. The Patriots have their number one pick in the next draft for the Seymour trade (a lot good that trade did the Raiders). On another note...what I fucking game. I love this kid Henne...a lot!


He was poised as hell and pretty mobile in the pocket. I'm impressed, very impressed.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:32 pm

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Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: I HOPE he does well, because we get a 2nd rounder if he catches a certain number of passes.



Same reason the Raiders can't lose enough for my taste. The Patriots have their number one pick in the next draft for the Seymour trade (a lot good that trade did the Raiders). On another note...what I fucking game. I love this kid Henne...a lot!


He was poised as hell and pretty mobile in the pocket. I'm impressed, very impressed.


The one thing he has, is a strong arm, something Pennington NEVER owned. If Pennington had any kind of arm strength, then Miami would of possibly made it to at least the second round last year. Henne impressed me right off the get-go and was very smart in his decision making, taking what the defense was giving him. I fell asleep before last night's finish, had to wake up at 6. I tried my damnedest but couldn't keep the eyes open. Figures I miss a finish like this, wouldn't of been any other way! :evil:

On another note, I could of watched Braylon Edwards first touchdown of the night a thousand times and still couldn't come to a thought of if his second toe came down, or grazed the grass in the endzone. What a call to make in that situation, replay or not.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:46 pm

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Ehwmatt wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote: I HOPE he does well, because we get a 2nd rounder if he catches a certain number of passes.



Same reason the Raiders can't lose enough for my taste. The Patriots have their number one pick in the next draft for the Seymour trade (a lot good that trade did the Raiders). On another note...what I fucking game. I love this kid Henne...a lot!


He was poised as hell and pretty mobile in the pocket. I'm impressed, very impressed.


The one thing he has, is a strong arm, something Pennington NEVER owned. If Pennington had any kind of arm strength, then Miami would of possibly made it to at least the second round last year. Henne impressed me right off the get-go and was very smart in his decision making, taking what the defense was giving him. I fell asleep before last night's finish, had to wake up at 6. I tried my damnedest but couldn't keep the eyes open. Figures I miss a finish like this, wouldn't of been any other way! :evil:

On another note, I could of watched Braylon Edwards first touchdown of the night a thousand times and still couldn't come to a thought of if his second toe came down, or grazed the grass in the endzone. What a call to make in that situation, replay or not.


I was surprised they reversed, but Jets ended up scoring anyway so oh well.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:35 am

I have a dilemma of who to start as one of my running backs this week in fantasy. I have the decision to go with either DeAngello Williams,( who hasn't put up NEARLY HALF of the numbers he put up this time last year, and bar none, plays on one of the most disappointing and pathetic teams of the season) or Pierre Thomas, who has re-bounded nicely from coming back from injury for the Saints and is also a receiving threat out of the back field.

At this moment, Pierre is the hot hand and is in my lineup right now. The problem is, that Thomas is going up against a tough Giants defensive front and it's always a rough outing for RB's going up against the Giants run D. I also have Shockey (who's the Saint's leading Reciever) in because of a bye week for Jason Witten. There is also the question of game plan and who to utilize from two players on the same team.

Even though Thomas is the hot hand right now, Williams is going up against a Tampa defense that is pretty much going up against helium at the moment. Williams is DUE for a breakout game and this could be the one. Thomas is right now my starter, but should I roll the dice and give Williams the shot at starting this week? It's early, but my head says Williams, but gut says Thomas. Thoughts?
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:38 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I have a dilemma of who to start as one of my running backs this week in fantasy. I have the decision to go with either DeAngello Williams,( who hasn't put up NEARLY HALF of the numbers he put up this time last year, and bar none, plays on one of the most disappointing and pathetic teams of the season) or Pierre Thomas, who has re-bounded nicely from coming back from injury for the Saints and is also a receiving threat out of the back field.

At this moment, Pierre is the hot hand and is in my lineup right now. The problem is, that Thomas is going up against a tough Giants defensive front and it's always a rough outing for RB's going up against the Giants run D. I also have Shockey (who's the Saint's leading Reciever) in because of a bye week for Jason Witten. There is also the question of game plan and who to utilize from two players on the same team.

Even though Thomas is the hot hand right now, Williams is going up against a Tampa defense that is pretty much going up against helium at the moment. Williams is DUE for a breakout game and this could be the one. Thomas is right now my starter, but should I roll the dice and give Williams the shot at starting this week? It's early, but my head says Williams, but gut says Thomas. Thoughts?


Here is the cardinal rule in football...it is ALWAYS about the matchups! Anyone who tells you otherwise simply doesn't understand the game. Williams is on a bad Carolina team who has a great deal of difficulty scoring (meaning his chances are going to be quite limited). In standard yahoo leagues, Williams has accounted for 20 total points over 4 games. Conversely, Pierre Thomas has accounted for 30 total points (or 50% more than Williams) in only 2.5 games (he got injured and missed a game and a half). Also, Thomas is THE MAN in the Saints backfield (Williams is splitting more time with Stewart due to his limited production, thusfar). Finally, Thomas is on a team that scores a fuckload of points and will ALWAYS be the goal line back. When you examine the rush defense of the Giants versus Tampa Bay....Tampa Bay is ranked 28th in the league when it comes to rushing yards per game given up but has only given up 3 touchdowns on the ground. The Giants run defense isn't as stout as you think it is. They're ranked 15th, so really just an average, middle of the road rush defense, based on the current numbers. They've given up 5 rushing touchdowns, so they're giving up more than 1 rushing touchdown per week. Based on the matchups, this one is truly a coin toss. If it were my team, I'd probably give the nod to Thomas, just because I feel that the team he is on will have far more opportunities to punch it in!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:47 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:I have a dilemma of who to start as one of my running backs this week in fantasy. I have the decision to go with either DeAngello Williams,( who hasn't put up NEARLY HALF of the numbers he put up this time last year, and bar none, plays on one of the most disappointing and pathetic teams of the season) or Pierre Thomas, who has re-bounded nicely from coming back from injury for the Saints and is also a receiving threat out of the back field.

At this moment, Pierre is the hot hand and is in my lineup right now. The problem is, that Thomas is going up against a tough Giants defensive front and it's always a rough outing for RB's going up against the Giants run D. I also have Shockey (who's the Saint's leading Reciever) in because of a bye week for Jason Witten. There is also the question of game plan and who to utilize from two players on the same team.

Even though Thomas is the hot hand right now, Williams is going up against a Tampa defense that is pretty much going up against helium at the moment. Williams is DUE for a breakout game and this could be the one. Thomas is right now my starter, but should I roll the dice and give Williams the shot at starting this week? It's early, but my head says Williams, but gut says Thomas. Thoughts?


Here is the cardinal rule in football...it is ALWAYS about the matchups! Anyone who tells you otherwise simply doesn't understand the game. Williams is on a bad Carolina team who has a great deal of difficulty scoring (meaning his chances are going to be quite limited). In standard yahoo leagues, Williams has accounted for 20 total points over 4 games. Conversely, Pierre Thomas has accounted for 30 total points (or 50% more than Williams) in only 2.5 games (he got injured and missed a game and a half). Also, Thomas is THE MAN in the Saints backfield (Williams is splitting more time with Stewart due to his limited production, thusfar). Finally, Thomas is on a team that scores a fuckload of points and will ALWAYS be the goal line back. When you examine the rush defense of the Giants versus Tampa Bay....Tampa Bay is ranked 28th in the league when it comes to rushing yards per game given up but has only given up 3 touchdowns on the ground. The Giants run defense isn't as stout as you think it is. They're ranked 15th, so really just an average, middle of the road rush defense, based on the current numbers. They've given up 5 rushing touchdowns, so they're giving up more than 1 rushing touchdown per week. Based on the matchups, this one is truly a coin toss. If it were my team, I'd probably give the nod to Thomas, just because I feel that the team he is on will have far more opportunities to punch it in!


Ok, cool, that's what I was pretty much thinking in a nut shell. Thanks J from B. 8)
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:32 am

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Ehwmatt wrote: I HOPE he does well, because we get a 2nd rounder if he catches a certain number of passes.



Same reason the Raiders can't lose enough for my taste. The Patriots have their number one pick in the next draft for the Seymour trade (a lot good that trade did the Raiders). On another note...what I fucking game. I love this kid Henne...a lot!

Actually John, the Patriots get the Raiders' 2011 first round pick!
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:39 am

RedWingFan wrote:Actually John, the Patriots get the Raiders' 2011 first round pick!


You're absolutely correct RWF. My bad. Luckily for me, it won't matter much. The Raiders ALWAYS suck, so whether it's 2010 or 2011, it won't make that much of a difference!
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:40 am

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RedWingFan wrote:Actually John, the Patriots get the Raiders' 2011 first round pick!


You're absolutely correct RWF. My bad. Luckily for me, it won't matter much. The Raiders ALWAYS suck, so whether it's 2010 or 2011, it won't make that much of a difference!

They CAN'T get any worse than they are this year.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:54 am

RedWingFan wrote:They CAN'T get any worse than they are this year.


Well, perhaps record wise, but it doesn't change where they rank in the NFL. The Raiders are pretty consistent. In 2004, they finished at the 6th worse team in the league with a 5-11 record. In 2005, they finished as the 5th worse team in the league with a 4-12 record. In 2006, they finished as the worst team in the league with a 2-14 record. In 2007, they finished as the 3rd worse team in the league with a 4-12 record. In 2008, they finished as the 7th worse team in the league with a 5-11 record. Thusfar in 2009, in spite of only one win, they are only the 5th worst team in the league right now. Again, that's VERY consistent. That tells me that the Raiders are almost guaranteed to be one of the worst 8 teams in the league even next season. For a team like the Patriots who consistently finish with a good record, they usually NEVER get anywhere near a top 10 pick, so I'll take it!
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:08 pm

Houston at Cincinnati - Houston in the upset!

Detroit at Green Bay - Green Bay simply has too much on both sides of the ball for Detroit to contend with.

Baltimore at Minnesota - Baltimore needs to get things turned around. Their defensive players need to stop whining like little bitches (shut your piehole, Ray Lewis) and start playing football. I like Baltimore in an upset by a field goal!

NY Giants at New Orleans - I think the Giants are a better team and absolutely hate dome teams when the playoffs roll around. That said, this isn't playoff season and the game is in a dome. The Saints win by a touchdown

Cleveland at Pittsburgh - Steelers will run over the Girl Scouts! This one won't be close.

Carolina at Tampa Bay - Deangelo Williams finally shows up and Carolina wins by 14

Kansas City at Washington - Absolutely impossible game to call. The Redskins are the better team, but their team has zero chemistry right now and already want Jim Zorn out of there. I like the Redskins by 3!

St. Louis at Jacksonville - The Rams truly might be this season's Lions and I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they pulled off 0-16. Jacksonville wins by two touchdowns.

Arizona at Seattle - I wasn't sold on Tennessee all last season and won't be sold on Arizona at all this season. Seattle by 10

Philadelphia at Oakland - Oakland flat out sucks. Not much to say here, except "Just Lose Baby". Eagles by 20!

Tennessee at New England - If it weren't for the rainy weather, I'd be predicting New England to win this one by 3 touchdowns. On paper, the Patriots look very average because of their 3-2 record. When you look closer, they easily could have won (and probably should have won the Denver game) the two games they lost. It's not a stretch to say that this team could be 5-0 and has yet to really play that well. I don't see Tennessee going 0-16. They still have some very good players and are going to beat some teams. I just hope that this isn't their week, and I don't think that it will be! Patriots by 10 in the rain and Moss gets into the end zone at least once for you fantasy guys!

Buffalo at NY Jets - Jets get back on track this week and beat a Buffalo team who is already on the golf course!

Chicago at Atlanta - Atlanta by 3.

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Denver at San Diego - It pains me to ever pick San Diego, because I believe the Chargers are a gutless team with zero heart. That said, Denver gets dealt their first loss of the season!
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:20 am

Just a tip for the guys and gals playing fantasy football. The weather in the Boston area is not remotely favorable today. We have a Nor'Easter with 40 to 50 MPH winds. This means it's probably not going to be in your favor to play any kickers, QB's, or receivers. Running backs are probably going to get a whole lot of work in these conditions today. I suspect this game will be a whole lot lower scoring than I thought it would be. If you're a Titans fan, this weather levels the playing field, in a big way!
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Postby S2M » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:38 am

Tom Brady hasn't looked himself past few games. That being said, perhaps the new offense co-ordinator has something to do with things. Brady should be calling his own plays....just saying.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:51 am

Houston at Cincinnati- UPSET: Houston beats Cincinnati and Cinci's good fortunes come to an end. Houston by 11.

Detroit at Green Bay - Green Bay is coming off a BYE after a tough loss to their rivals, and they come back home against a team that clearly has issues & while they are getting better, they just don't know OR have the personal to come away with a victory. Green Bay by 13.


Baltimore at Minnesota - Minnesota on that fast track is a VERY hard team to bet against. Favre gives them that element on offense that keeps them balanced with a monster in the backfield who gives defense the shivers. Flacco will struggle for the second week in a row and has a wild man named Jarred Allen to worry about on his blind side. Minny by 8.

NY Giants at New Orleans - I think the Giants are in the top two teams in the NFL and face their stiffest challenge yet. New Orleans is better than some people think, esp that defense, and with Eli's injury and not getting much reps in practice, I think New Orleans can exploit them and pressure him into making errant throws. New Orleans, in the dome is a tough team to beat. Saints by 4.

Cleveland at Pittsburgh - You're going to get best of all worlds from mother nature. Snow, sleet, rain, and sun. I would be very surprised if the Browns crack the endzone, they can't even score more than 3 points on a 95 degree sunny afternoon against the paraplegic. The Steelers should breeze through this and bitch slap the Clowns for showing up. Steelers by 25

Carolina at Tampa Bay - Carolina should start rounding off a couple wins, and that's not because they are a good team, that's because they are playing teams that happen to be worse than they are at all phases. Carolina by 17.

Kansas City at Washington - Washington wins this one and Zorn lives another week. Kansas City just can't find ways to put teams out whenever the time presents itself. Washington by 7.

St. Louis at Jacksonville - Jacksonville will be coming out swinging with that EMBARRASSING loss to the Seahawks last week. Luckily for them, they host the worst team in football in the 2009 season. It is truly heart aching watching this Rams team go out there and try to compete when they clearly don't have the personal to do so. Jacksonville by 20.

Arizona at Seattle - Arizona takes the momentum and handles Seattle on the road, a game they should win if they want to be lumped into contending in the division. Cards by 10.

Philadelphia at Oakland - Oakland doesn't deserve to have any kind of writeup. McNabb and that Eagles D completely stomp Oakland into the next millennium. Eagles by 24.

Tennessee at New England - Tennessee certainly won't go 0-16, and I feel New England is not as good as some people might think. I think Tennessee has a legitimate shot to take down New England at Foxboro and give their season a little bit of light by beating a team that does nothing but win at the end of the day. A win against N.E would earn Tennessee some respect only if it IS for 1 out of the 16 weeks. Still, If it's any team that knows how to win in slop and bad conditions, it's N.E and I stated that I will NEVER take Tenn again this year. With that said, New England by 3.

Buffalo at NY Jets - Jets steam roll a Buffalo team that is clearly out of its league. Jets by 18.

Chicago at Atlanta - Atlanta might be the most complete team in the league, and their offense is exploding all over the place. Matt Ryan is the real deal and will just keep getting better, stronger, and witter. Chicago is a team that struggles to sell me week in and out. Atlanta by 12.

MON, OCT 19
Denver at San Diego - S.D is vastly overrated and are in trouble for the 2nd year in a row when it comes to early in the year. Denver's confidence is through the roof and confidence alone can propel a team into believing they can beat anybody, esp after an emotional win the week before. SD has so many area's to work on, and I believe Kyle Orton should get the respect he finally deserves while he carves a mediocre S.D defense. Denver's D is for real they remain undefeated. Denver by 13.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:08 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:Tom Brady hasn't looked himself past few games.


Let me make a couple of points here. First and foremost, Brady suffered a VERY serious injury and had a major knee operation. Peyton Manning had a knee operation prior to last season with an injury that wasn't nearly as serious as the one Brady suffered. After 7 games last season, Manning looked awful and the Colts were 3-4. Three of their four losses were to teams who didn't even make the playoffs (including a 3 touchdown loss to Green Bay)! I can show you articles from dopes who claimed Manning was "done" after starting 3-4 last season. Funny how all those geniuses disappeared when the Colts finished the season 12-4 (meaning they didn't lose a single game after starting 3-4). If you look at the history of NFL QB's suffering knee injuries, there isn't a single guy who has come back from a knee injury and "looked like himself". Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, et. al. There is enough recent evidence out there that tells me that Brady's VERY slow start really shouldn't surprise anyone. That said, the Patriots are 3-2 and have beat some good teams and easily could have won both games they lost! I promise you that in spite of the Travis' of the world claiming Brady sucks and that he's done and that he folds like a cheap suit and all the other moronic statements, Brady and the Patriots will be a team to be contended with in the second half of the season!
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:15 am

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I feel New England is not as good as some people might think.


If by "some people", you're referring to me, then okay. I can tell you this...I haven't heard ANY national football guys claiming New England is anything but a VERY average team. This isn't the season to claim that everyone thinks New England has this unbeatable team, because not even the Boston media is claiming that! The reality is that they have almost nobody left on their defense from last season and a QB who probably won't be in synch for another couple of weeks (especially considering the Patriots have to travel to London to play next week)!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:26 am

Enigma869 wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:Tom Brady hasn't looked himself past few games.


Let me make a couple of points here. First and foremost, Brady suffered a VERY serious injury and had a major knee operation. Peyton Manning had a knee operation prior to last season with an injury that wasn't nearly as serious as the one Brady suffered. After 7 games last season, Manning looked awful and the Colts were 3-4. Three of their four losses were to teams who didn't even make the playoffs (including a 3 touchdown loss to Green Bay)! I can show you articles from dopes who claimed Manning was "done" after starting 3-4 last season. Funny how all those geniuses disappeared when the Colts finished the season 12-4 (meaning they didn't lose a single game after starting 3-4). If you look at the history of NFL QB's suffering knee injuries, there isn't a single guy who has come back from a knee injury and "looked like himself". Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, et. al. There is enough recent evidence out there that tells me that Brady's VERY slow start really shouldn't surprise anyone. That said, the Patriots are 3-2 and have beat some good teams and easily could have won both games they lost! I promise you that in spite of the Travis' of the world claiming Brady sucks and that he's done and that he folds like a cheap suit and all the other moronic statements, Brady and the Patriots will be a team to be contended with in the second half of the season!


This is what I've been saying ever since the first week of the season. Brady's knee injury was certainly a cause for a concern for New England when coming into the season, but many upon many claimed that with Brady back "order is restored" in the NFL. I've watched New England all year this year and Brady, along with the Patriots are just not that great of a team this year. They got their ass handed to them in Week 1 against Buffalo (should of lost), and Baltimore had every opportunity to beat New England in Foxboro if Flacco's receivers could catch the football. (lets not even mention the roughing penalties.)

You say N.E's games they lost could of certainly been the other way around and them being 5-0, but it could be a much easier argument and say that the games N.E won, they should and could have lost, looking at 2-3. You can sit there and compare injuries all day long, but you can't automatically assume that just because Manning, Palmer and McNabb had success after the fact, doesn't mean something can go terribly wrong with Brady. My opinion, Manning is light years ahead of Brady when comparing & breaking down their game at the QB position, and the fact that Manning and the Colts turned things around last season will have NO barring on how New England will finish this by the end of this season. Simply put, with Brady under center, you'll always have that chance to win, but realistically, Brady isn't playing well and isn't that good this year, along with a defense that certainly doesn't have the credentials to be special or potent during the second half of the season. The only thing that N.E has on their side when things go wrong is coaching. They are coached well and they will certainly be there at the end of the year regardless (we all expect this) but they simply aren't that good at this point, and we can only speak at this point.
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Postby Peartree12249 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:32 am

I sure hope you're all correct with your prediction about the outcome of the Green Bay/Lions game. If GB gets beat by those losers, I'm going to freakin shoot myself in the head!! I'm still trying to get over that debacle in Minnesota 2 weeks ago. That, my friends was every Packer fan's nightmare. :oops: :x :x
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