President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Rockindeano]

LOL, dude, it's a BA in Pol Sci not a BS.

Oh by the way, I don't know if you have noticed this, but Capitalism is all but dead.

And you are rejoicing at capitalism dying? OhhhK...and for you it is a BS...because your special...

Did I do fucking jumping jacks and scream yay about the failure of capitalism? No, I can't recall doing that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Conservatism wins regardless of which party is in office. It's a lifestyle that rejects handouts and government dependence.

Is that why Ayn Rand flunkie and lifelong free marketeer, Alan Greenspan, is now advocating nationalization of the banks?
Depending on your political vantage point, that's either one of the seven signs of the apocalypse, or the final indignity of a criminal administration.
How many possible different ways can you be fucked by someone headed out the door and shutting off the lights?
Sadly, for the rest of America, Obama and his team are just finding out.

[RossValoryRocks]

Conservatism wins regardless of which party is in office. It's a lifestyle that rejects handouts and government dependence.

Is that why Ayn Rand flunkie and lifelong free marketeer, Alan Greenspan, is now advocating nationalization of the banks?
Depending on your political vantage point, that's either one of the seven signs of the apocalypse, or the final indignity of a criminal administration.
How many possible different ways can you be fucked by someone headed out the door and shutting off the lights?
Sadly, for the rest of America, Obama and his team are just finding out.

Acutally this is one thing I agree with the President on...provided they don't make it permanent.

Stablizing a bank by briefly nationalizing it is fine by me...the key word being briefly...such as 5 years or less...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Acutally this is one thing I agree with the President on...provided they don't make it permanent.

Stablizing a bank by briefly nationalizing it is fine by me...the key word being briefly...such as 5 years or less...

Agreed.
People keep citing Sweden as a model, but the more I read up on it, I'm not so sure it applies.
Either way, Obama is sure to reap hell if he tries to go down that root (necessary or not).

[conversationpc]

You have sat idyll by as a President you proudly voted for twice careened the ship of state headlong into a Great Depression timewarp.

The liberal myrmadons in Congress played just as big a part in this whole mess as has just about every President and Congress in the last 40 years. They ALL paved the way.

Who are you to impugn the policies and thoughts of anyone sitting on the other side of the political fence?
Seriously, have some humilty, asshole.

Well, you know what they say about assholes. We all have one and they all stink. You might want to try some scented toilet paper. Be careful, I hear it can cause a rash if you're allergic.

For the most part, Paul was ignored by the media across the board.
Even by the purportedly "conservative" Sean Hannity, and for awhile there, Glenn Beck too.

Yeah, Hannity pretty much only ever made fun of and belittled Ron Paul. I admire the guy for standing up to the Republican party and having a conscience and agree with most of what he stands for. I think he is right on with fiscal policy, as I believe he supports the Fair Tax (at least last I remember...), and he is also a strong supporter of private property rights.

Most telling, his choice of President waffled between Romney and Rudy - two guys who couldn't be further from Paul's Goldwater throwback style.

I never understood why he was so big on Romney, who was obviously a recent convert to "conservatism" just for the sake of grabbing the Republican nomination. I think Romney is right on on a lot of fiscal matters but he's always come across as a bit of a snake oil salesman to me.

[RossValoryRocks]

Acutally this is one thing I agree with the President on...provided they don't make it permanent.

Stablizing a bank by briefly nationalizing it is fine by me...the key word being briefly...such as 5 years or less...

Agreed.
People keep citing Sweden as a model, but the more I read up on it, I'm not so sure it applies.
Either way, Obama is sure to reap hell if he tries to go down that root (necessary or not).

I also agree with his overturning the stem cell ban.

I think the stimulus will fail because it is too far reaching. Targeted stimulus would have been easier to manage, eliminate waste and possible fraud, and put money where it is needed most. Throwing the money around all over doesn't accomplish what it need to, IMO.

There are some things I agree with the President on, and some things I vehemently disagree with.

I think he has moved too far to the left and is now entering Reid/Pelosi territory of liberal whackiness.

He also made several promises during the campaign he has all but abandoned.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The liberal myrmadons in Congress played just as big a part in this whole mess as has just about every President and Congress in the last 40 years. They ALL paved the way.

No need to tell me this.
I mentioned Clinton's involvement in repealing banking firewalls before things got shitwire.
That said, ever hear the one-time Presidential motto: "The bucks stops here"?

I never understood why he was so big on Romney, who was obviously a recent convert to "conservatism" just for the sake of grabbing the Republican nomination. I think Romney is right on on a lot of fiscal matters but he's always come across as a bit of a snake oil salesman to me.

Seems kinda shallow but I gues Beck went with Romney because of the Mormon connection.
But many non-mormon Cons like him, as well.
To me, he was nothing more than the Republican John Kerry.
In fact, he was worse.

[conversationpc]

Seems kinda shallow but I gues Beck went with Romney because of the Mormon connection.
But many non-mormon Cons like him, as well.
To me, he was nothing more than the Republican John Kerry.
In fact, he was worse.

I can't completely disagree with that.

[Rockindeano]

There are some things I agree with the President on, and some things I vehemently disagree with.

I think he has moved too far to the left and is now entering Reid/Pelosi territory of liberal whackiness.

I believe Obama is very annoyed and tired of Pelosi. I too can't stand her, but as a Californian, she and Feinstien do us a great service with their collective power.

And in regard to your claim the stimulus is too big, it has to be a colossal package. It couldn't be micro managed. It had to be of great size to overturn this economy.

[conversationpc]

There are some things I agree with the President on, and some things I vehemently disagree with.

I think he has moved too far to the left and is now entering Reid/Pelosi territory of liberal whackiness.

I believe Obama is very annoyed and tired of Pelosi. I too can't stand her, but as a Californian, she and Feinstien do us a great service with their collective power.

And in regard to your claim the stimulus is too big, it has to be a colossal package. It couldn't be micro managed. It had to be of great size to overturn this economy.

In my opinion, and probably the reason that most conservatives are against the stimulus package, the pain is only going to be slightly delayed and possibly highly magnified. The underlying problems aren't being fixed and the Fed is printing money like it's going out of style. The money supply has been vastly increased in the last few months, starting under Bush, and if we actually do see a slight recovery, we are going to see massive, and I believe massive as in Carter-esque or worse, inflation.

[Rockindeano]

There are some things I agree with the President on, and some things I vehemently disagree with.

I think he has moved too far to the left and is now entering Reid/Pelosi territory of liberal whackiness.

I believe Obama is very annoyed and tired of Pelosi. I too can't stand her, but as a Californian, she and Feinstien do us a great service with their collective power.

And in regard to your claim the stimulus is too big, it has to be a colossal package. It couldn't be micro managed. It had to be of great size to overturn this economy.

In my opinion, and probably the reason that most conservatives are against the stimulus package, the pain is only going to be slightly delayed and possibly highly magnified. The underlying problems aren't being fixed and the Fed is printing money like it's going out of style. The money supply has been vastly increased in the last few months, starting under Bush, and if we actually do see a slight recovery, we are going to see massive, and I believe massive as in Carter-esque or worse, inflation.

OK Dave, whatever you say. Assuming you are correct, I guess my only recourse to say to youis at least we will have sound bridges to drive over.

[separate_wayz]

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."

-- A. Hitler, quoted in Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks (London: T. Butterworth, 1940)

Thank you for transcribing that from your nightstand for us.
Is it the limited print edition with the custom treated jewhide cover?

Wow. Guess I hit a nerve with you with that one, by quoting accurately.

Ummm. No. I don't become what I read any more than I become a triangle by reading a book on geometry.

I'm hearing some psychological projection on your part. So what's on your nightstand??? "Barely Legal: The Cub Scout Edition"??? ....

[S2M]

OK, I have a question for you politico types....I don't wander here often, and that is due, in part, to admittingly being out of my league. Sure, I watch Foxnews(for the laughs), a bit of CNN....etc. But in watching these shows, I still don't feel no where near smart enough to come in here and wax political.

Anyway, my question is this? Actually I have more than one, and would appreciate some answers from you SMRT people....

1) Why lower income taxes in our checks, instead of a nice lump sum stimulus check? If someone owed you 2,000, wouldn't you want it in a larger sum, rather than $20 a week?

2) I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

3) I've always thought that(as this ties in to #2) we could print a whole bunch of money and inject it into the economy to spark it up, and then take it out of circulation at the back end(when it finds it's way back to government). This would seem to solve the inflation issue, no? Never knew if this could work, but thought it a good way to get people spending. But I always had an itch in the back of my mind that in bad times - people horde. And this may not work for that reason.

4) Is there oversight as far as the stimulus packages? I know Bush in the first stimulus took that contingency off. Has Obama put it back on?

[Eric]

I believe Obama is very annoyed and tired of Pelosi.

I want to know how she has ANY approval? I mean....I think .5% would be high.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Unbelievable!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Brown.html

Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

The London Telegraph
March 7, 2009 Tim Shipman

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president has facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.

Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been "overwhelmed" by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.

British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister.

But Washington figures with access to Mr Obama's inner circle explained the slight by saying that those high up in the administration have had little time to deal with international matters, let alone the diplomatic niceties of the special relationship.

Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president's surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.

A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama's inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to "even fake an interest in foreign policy".

A British official conceded that the furore surrounding the apparent snub to Mr Brown had come as a shock to the White House. "I think it's right to say that their focus is elsewhere, on domestic affairs. A number of our US interlocutors said they couldn't quite understand the British concerns and didn't get what that was all about."

The American source said: "Obama is overwhelmed. There is a zero sum tension between his ability to attend to the economic issues and his ability to be a proactive sculptor of the national security agenda.

"That was the gamble these guys made at the front end of this presidency and I think they're finding it a hard thing to do everything."


--snip--

The real views of many in Obama administration were laid bare by a State Department official involved in planning the Brown visit, who reacted with fury when questioned by The Sunday Telegraph about why the event was so low-key.

The official dismissed any notion of the special relationship, saying: ‘There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.

The Sunday Telegraph understands that one of Mr Obama's most prominent African American backers, whose endorsement he spent two years cultivating, has told friends that he detects a weakness in Mr Obama's character.

"The one real serious flaw I see in Barack Obama is that he thinks he can manage all this," the well-known figure told a Washington official, who spoke to this newspaper. "He's underestimating the flood of things that will hit his desk." A Democratic strategist, who is friends with several senior White House aides, revealed that the president has regularly appeared worn out and drawn during evening work sessions with senior staff in the West Wing and has been forced to make decisions more quickly than he is comfortable.

He said that on several occasions the president has had to hurry back from eating dinner with his family in the residence and then tucking his daughters in to bed, to conduct urgent government business. Matters are not helped by the pledge to give up smoking.

"People say he looks tired more often than they're used to," the strategist said. "He's still calm, but there have been flashes of irritation when he thinks he's being pushed to make a decision sooner than he wants to make it. He looks like he needs a cigarette."

Going from Community Organizer to POTUS is quite the leap. POTUS isn't a job for on the job training. Wait, didn't Biden say that during the Primaries?

One Big Ass Mistake America

Maybe he shouldn't work weekends like McCain, or should take 1020 days of vacation time like the last idiot.

[S2M]

OK, I have a question for you politico types....I don't wander here often, and that is due, in part, to admittingly being out of my league. Sure, I watch Foxnews(for the laughs), a bit of CNN....etc. But in watching these shows, I still don't feel no where near smart enough to come in here and wax political.

Anyway, my question is this? Actually I have more than one, and would appreciate some answers from you SMRT people....

1) Why lower income taxes in our checks, instead of a nice lump sum stimulus check? If someone owed you 2,000, wouldn't you want it in a larger sum, rather than $20 a week?

2) I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

3) I've always thought that(as this ties in to #2) we could print a whole bunch of money and inject it into the economy to spark it up, and then take it out of circulation at the back end(when it finds it's way back to government). This would seem to solve the inflation issue, no? Never knew if this could work, but thought it a good way to get people spending. But I always had an itch in the back of my mind that in bad times - people horde. And this may not work for that reason.

4) Is there oversight as far as the stimulus packages? I know Bush in the first stimulus took that contingency off. Has Obama put it back on?

I guess none of you political pundits are gonna answer my questions....goe to show if you guys ain't ripping off someone else's blogs, posts, articles....you really ain't got too much to say.....

[Saint John]

I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

I believe it does, and that has me fucking furious. Why should my hard work be "devalued"? I have worked my ass off and saved, but my dough is gonna be worth less because of assholes that got in too far over their heads? Fuck that. I understand that there are real hardship cases, but the vast majority of people that have failed this country are the ones that have a foreclosure sign in the front yard but still have cell phones, a new car and all the latest gadgets. Yet they wonder where it all went wrong. The mindset in this country is completely fucked and Obama is making it exponentially worse. The Bush stimulus checks were fucking stupid and so is this new "stimulus" bullshit.

[RedWingFan]

I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

I believe it does, and that has me fucking furious. Why should my hard work be "devalued"? I have worked my ass off and saved, but my dough is gonna be worth less because of assholes that got in too far over their heads? Fuck that. I understand that there are real hardship cases, but the vast majority of people that have failed this country are the ones that have a foreclosure sign in the front yard but still have cell phones, a new car and all the latest gadgets. Yet they wonder where it all went wrong. The mindset in this country is completely fucked and Obama is making it exponentially worse. The Bush stimulus checks were fucking stupid and so is this new "stimulus" bullshit.

This pretty much says it all.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... arket.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

This pretty much says it all.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... arket.html

No, that pretty much says nothing.
And considering that Limbaugh and your ilk were dishonestly pinning the entire recession on Obama's shoulders before the National Bureau of Economic Research stated otherwise, your opinion should be ignored.
Obama is right, he's got to look at the long term.
Imagine how the stock market would've reacted as FDR closed the banks, and first proposed the FDIC, SEC, and whatelse.
This is no different.

[RedWingFan]

Obama is right, he's got to look at the long term.

Obama's long term is ensnaring as many people under Fed. dependence as possible ASAP. Obama's far left socialist policies are "water" to our capitalist system "oil". Why should private companies willingly play ball with the federal gov't, the brilliant authors of, social security, medicaid, medicare, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, pathetic gov't schools, pathetic gov't housing?
Are you still going to blame Bush in 4 years after a steady and sure collapse of the stock market? This graph shows the market reaction to a likely President Obama no matter how much you whine about it is irrelevant TNC.
Yes I hate to break it to you, but Obama's "stimulus package" isn't going to work, our $14 or $18 a week that Obama's going to let us BORROW this year isn't going to do the trick.
The stock market's only a "tracking poll" to Obama anyway. $60,000 lost to me is nothing but an indicator of his possible re-election. Won't be much longer til most think of the W years as the good ole days.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

OK, I have a question for you politico types....I don't wander here often, and that is due, in part, to admittingly being out of my league. Sure, I watch Foxnews(for the laughs), a bit of CNN....etc. But in watching these shows, I still don't feel no where near smart enough to come in here and wax political.

Anyway, my question is this? Actually I have more than one, and would appreciate some answers from you SMRT people....

1) Why lower income taxes in our checks, instead of a nice lump sum stimulus check? If someone owed you 2,000, wouldn't you want it in a larger sum, rather than $20 a week?

2) I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

3) I've always thought that(as this ties in to #2) we could print a whole bunch of money and inject it into the economy to spark it up, and then take it out of circulation at the back end(when it finds it's way back to government). This would seem to solve the inflation issue, no? Never knew if this could work, but thought it a good way to get people spending. But I always had an itch in the back of my mind that in bad times - people horde. And this may not work for that reason.


4) Is there oversight as far as the stimulus packages? I know Bush in the first stimulus took that contingency off. Has Obama put it back on?

I guess none of you political pundits are gonna answer my questions....goe to show if you guys ain't ripping off someone else's blogs, posts, articles....you really ain't got too much to say.....

Answers are like buses they come along in groups of threes and fours-

1. WHat would really make people invest and spend is an expectation that the 20 dollars or whatever is, is a permament thing and wont go away with a tax increase in later years. Then you count on it, budget it, and plan to save or spend it. The Obama plan doesnt allow for that - the amount is too small, and no one expects it to be permament

2&3. Yes printing money causes inflation and devaules the dollar. Pre 1971 the US currency was pegged to the gold standard, ensuring stability. Theres alot of argument about who is at fault for the current crisis. - Is it Clinton or Bush or Obama. Its acutally NIXONS fault. Ever since we've abandoned the gold standard, we ve been slowly slipping into debt. Its just taken 35 years for the chickents to really come home to roost. Its acutally a testament to free market economics that weve made it 35 years with out getting into deep shit. After the end comes, REALLY comes - the Dow at 2000 and unemployemnt 20% and we all start over , we might return to a gold standard

I wont post links up, but if you want a read a good book about this read a book called Inflation or Gold Standard, by Hans Sennholtz.

4. No theres no oversight nor will there ever be. Organising society so govt is the owner , organiser, and overseer never works.
If you want a good discussion of this , try reading anything by Ayn Rand or try The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek.

[jrnychick]

OK, I have a question for you politico types....I don't wander here often, and that is due, in part, to admittingly being out of my league. Sure, I watch Foxnews(for the laughs), a bit of CNN....etc. But in watching these shows, I still don't feel no where near smart enough to come in here and wax political.

Anyway, my question is this? Actually I have more than one, and would appreciate some answers from you SMRT people....

1) Why lower income taxes in our checks, instead of a nice lump sum stimulus check? If someone owed you 2,000, wouldn't you want it in a larger sum, rather than $20 a week?

2) I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

3) I've always thought that(as this ties in to #2) we could print a whole bunch of money and inject it into the economy to spark it up, and then take it out of circulation at the back end(when it finds it's way back to government). This would seem to solve the inflation issue, no? Never knew if this could work, but thought it a good way to get people spending. But I always had an itch in the back of my mind that in bad times - people horde. And this may not work for that reason.

4) Is there oversight as far as the stimulus packages? I know Bush in the first stimulus took that contingency off. Has Obama put it back on?

I guess none of you political pundits are gonna answer my questions....goe to show if you guys ain't ripping off someone else's blogs, posts, articles....you really ain't got too much to say.....

I haven't jumped in here in a while, but I just got laid off so I have the time now!

1) I would rather have the lump sum. Also, how do people who are unemployed get their money. If I don't find another job, I will be freelancing. How will I get my "rebate" then? My husband is self employed. How does this benefit him?

2) Yes, printing more money does lower the value of the dollar.

3) I am no economist, but I believe that the problem with that is deflation.

4) I don't think any oversight has been added to the first stimulus plan. Supposedly, Obama's stimulus package can be tracked on the Internet so we can see how every dollar is spent. I haven't looked at it yet to see if that is the case.

[conversationpc]

Supposedly, Obama's stimulus package can be tracked on the Internet so we can see how every dollar is spent. I haven't looked at it yet to see if that is the case.

Well, they were also going to post the stimulus package online and give everyone enough time to read it before they voted but that didn't happen, either. They posted it around 11:00 one night and started the voting procedure the next morning. At over 1000 pages, it would have been impossible for anyone to read the entire bill.

[conversationpc]

Theres alot of argument about who is at fault for the current crisis. - Is it Clinton or Bush or Obama. Its acutally NIXONS fault. Ever since we've abandoned the gold standard, we ve been slowly slipping into debt.

Ding! Ding! Ding! That is definitely a huge part of the problem.

[conversationpc]

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."

-- A. Hitler, quoted in Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks (London: T. Butterworth, 1940)

Thank you for transcribing that from your nightstand for us.
Is it the limited print edition with the custom treated jewhide cover?

Wow. Guess I hit a nerve with you with that one, by quoting accurately.

Ummm. No. I don't become what I read any more than I become a triangle by reading a book on geometry.

I'm hearing some psychological projection on your part. So what's on your nightstand??? "Barely Legal: The Cub Scout Edition"??? ....

That sounds like the answer to "What's on MICHAEL JACKSON'S nightstand".

[conversationpc]

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

[AlteredDNA]

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

What are you willing to bet that the DVDs were coded for Region 1, rather than Region 2?

[conversationpc]

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

What are you willing to bet that the DVDs were coded for Region 1, rather than Region 2?

Actually, I believe I heard that somewhere else.

[RedWingFan]

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

Yeah, I can just see Barry and Michelle cleaning out the bargain bin at Circuit City!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama is right, he's got to look at the long term.

Obama's long term is ensnaring as many people under Fed. dependence as possible ASAP. Obama's far left socialist policies are "water" to our capitalist system "oil". Why should private companies willingly play ball with the federal gov't, the brilliant authors of, social security, medicaid, medicare, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, pathetic gov't schools, pathetic gov't housing?
Are you still going to blame Bush in 4 years after a steady and sure collapse of the stock market? This graph shows the market reaction to a likely President Obama no matter how much you whine about it is irrelevant TNC.
Yes I hate to break it to you, but Obama's "stimulus package" isn't going to work, our $14 or $18 a week that Obama's going to let us BORROW this year isn't going to do the trick.
The stock market's only a "tracking poll" to Obama anyway. $60,000 lost to me is nothing but an indicator of his possible re-election. Won't be much longer til most think of the W years as the good ole days.

Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is the numerous banking reforms FDR undertook (FDIC, SEC, Glass-Steagal etc.) worked great for many years and they too were initially decried as "communist!."
I'm all for battle-testing ideas, but right now, it's in the best interest of the country just to ignore you whiny bitches.