President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[slucero]

Certain members of both parties may have advocated reinstating Glass-Steagall, I don't believe it has been yet. Nor will it.

Its' not "certain parties may have"... they actually have...

On December 16, 2009 John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) introduced legislation that would restore the Glass-Steagall Act (aka the Banking Act of 1933),

The GOP was against Glass-Steagall under FDR, and remain against financial regulation now.

Not quite.

On October 21, 1999 the "Banking Modernization Act", was deadlocked... in a GOP led Congress.

Sanford I. Weill (who founded Citigroup) made a personal call to President Clinton asking for his help in breaking the GOP deadlock. A deal was announced at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 22nd that would eventually lead to CitiGroup to becoming the largest financial institution in the world. Clinton’s signature on the repeal of Glass-Steagall wiped out one of the most important pieces of FDR New Deal legislation. The pen Clinton used to sign the bill is on Sanford I. Weill's wall....

Like the story of the frog and the scorpion, that’s just their nature.

The frog story I'm more interested in is the "slowly boiling" one... which is apparently the nature of most of the population...



As I said earlier.. the problem is not one or the other party..... its much bigger than that... and both parties are completely disconnected from serving The People.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is the biggest problem this country faces... solvency... and for it to be resolved... spending must end... but as I said earlier... that's all both parties know anymore....

Unfortunately you are right here. If you look at list of some of the biggest single things which enabled the explosion of big government spending in the last 100 years you see the blame is pretty evenly matched between Republican and Democrat:

1)Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) - enabled the introduction of the first permanent income tax- This made the explosion of public spending possible.
2)Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) - the New Deal Social Security. largest expansion of US govt to date.
3) Eisenhower (Republican) allowed a 91 % top rate of taxation to balance the budget. Just encouraged more govt spending
4)LBJ- (Democrat) The great society - the largest expansion of Federal Spending (and the creation of a permanent urban structural unemployment)
5).Nixon- (Republican)- The abandonment of the Gold Standard. Made it possible to print money endlessly thus enabling debt to mushroom. Maybe the biggest mistake in this list.
6).Carter - (Democrat) creation of two huge federal money wasting agencies - Department of Education and Energy not to mention the EPA
7) .Bush 41 (Republican) - Medicare fix bill , the 2008 bailout, bullshit "big government conservativism"
8 Obama (Democrat ) the second stimulus, the impending take over of 1/6 of the US economy,

(and the 2 democrats and 2 republican presidents not on the above "hall of shame" the list didn't do much to fight the trend wither). Neither of the two main parties will ever do anything about spending and debt. It gives them power.

I thought the EPA happened under Nixon, not Carter.
Any list that talks about gov't spending without mentioning Reagan is not serious.

[slucero]

This is the biggest problem this country faces... solvency... and for it to be resolved... spending must end... but as I said earlier... that's all both parties know anymore....

Unfortunately you are right here. If you look at list of some of the biggest single things which enabled the explosion of big government spending in the last 100 years you see the blame is pretty evenly matched between Republican and Democrat:

1)Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) - enabled the introduction of the first permanent income tax- This made the explosion of public spending possible.
2)Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) - the New Deal Social Security. largest expansion of US govt to date.
3) Eisenhower (Republican) allowed a 91 % top rate of taxation to balance the budget. Just encouraged more govt spending
4)LBJ- (Democrat) The great society - the largest expansion of Federal Spending (and the creation of a permanent urban structural unemployment)
5).Nixon- (Republican)- The abandonment of the Gold Standard. Made it possible to print money endlessly thus enabling debt to mushroom. Maybe the biggest mistake in this list.
6).Carter - (Democrat) creation of two huge federal money wasting agencies - Department of Education and Energy not to mention the EPA
7) .Bush 41 (Republican) - Medicare fix bill , the 2008 bailout, bullshit "big government conservativism"
8 Obama (Democrat ) the second stimulus, the impending take over of 1/6 of the US economy,

(and the 2 democrats and 2 republican presidents not on the above "hall of shame" the list didn't do much to fight the trend wither). Neither of the two main parties will ever do anything about spending and debt. It gives them power.

I thought the EPA happened under Nixon, not Carter.
Any list that talks about gov't spending without mentioning Reagan is not serious.

I agree with that.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

This is the biggest problem this country faces... solvency... and for it to be resolved... spending must end... but as I said earlier... that's all both parties know anymore....

Unfortunately you are right here. If you look at list of some of the biggest single things which enabled the explosion of big government spending in the last 100 years you see the blame is pretty evenly matched between Republican and Democrat:

1)Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) - enabled the introduction of the first permanent income tax- This made the explosion of public spending possible.
2)Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) - the New Deal Social Security. largest expansion of US govt to date.
3) Eisenhower (Republican) allowed a 91 % top rate of taxation to balance the budget. Just encouraged more govt spending
4)LBJ- (Democrat) The great society - the largest expansion of Federal Spending (and the creation of a permanent urban structural unemployment)
5).Nixon- (Republican)- The abandonment of the Gold Standard. Made it possible to print money endlessly thus enabling debt to mushroom. Maybe the biggest mistake in this list.
6).Carter - (Democrat) creation of two huge federal money wasting agencies - Department of Education and Energy not to mention the EPA
7) .Bush 41 (Republican) - Medicare fix bill , the 2008 bailout, bullshit "big government conservativism"
8 Obama (Democrat ) the second stimulus, the impending take over of 1/6 of the US economy,

(and the 2 democrats and 2 republican presidents not on the above "hall of shame" the list didn't do much to fight the trend wither). Neither of the two main parties will ever do anything about spending and debt. It gives them power.

I thought the EPA happened under Nixon, not Carter.
Any list that talks about gov't spending without mentioning Reagan is not serious.

You are right about the date of the EPA- i got my years mixed up , I wouldnt argue with the fact that Reagan did nothing to fight the explosion of governement spending either.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Its' not "certain parties may have"... they actually have...
On December 16, 2009 John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) introduced legislation that would restore the Glass-Steagall Act (aka the Banking Act of 1933),

McCain is NOT the Republican Party, he is one senator, and generally considered a progressive RINO.
GOP leadership is not calling for more regulation, neither is the party base.
To them, the resulting economic crash was the result of Barney Frank, Acorn, and Freddie and Fannie.
They couldn’t care less about reigning in the investment banks.

Not quite.
On October 21, 1999 the "Banking Modernization Act", was deadlocked... in a GOP led Congress.
Sanford I. Weill (who founded Citigroup) made a personal call to President Clinton asking for his help in breaking the GOP deadlock. A deal was announced at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 22nd that would eventually lead to CitiGroup to becoming the largest financial institution in the world. Clinton’s signature on the repeal of Glass-Steagall wiped out one of the most important pieces of FDR New Deal legislation. The pen Clinton used to sign the bill is on Sanford I. Weill's wall....

This has nothing to do with anything I said.
The original Glass-Steagall was part of FDR’s New Deal regulatory reforms – all of which were condemned and opposed by Conservatives as taking us down the path to communism.
Very little has changed in that regard.
On economics, Clinton was not your stereotypical Democrat.
The repeal of Glass-Steagall represented the culmination of Alan Greenspan/Arthur Laffer right wing/free market/deregulatory economics tha held the country in its grip since Reagan.
If you pretend these ideological and historical differences between the parties don’t exist, I have to assume you are being willfully blind, or are some sort of Ralph Nader “every-party-is-the-same” anarchist.

[Rockindeano]

This is the biggest problem this country faces... solvency... and for it to be resolved... spending must end... but as I said earlier... that's all both parties know anymore....

Unfortunately you are right here. If you look at list of some of the biggest single things which enabled the explosion of big government spending in the last 100 years you see the blame is pretty evenly matched between Republican and Democrat:

1)Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) - enabled the introduction of the first permanent income tax- This made the explosion of public spending possible.
2)Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) - the New Deal Social Security. largest expansion of US govt to date.
3) Eisenhower (Republican) allowed a 91 % top rate of taxation to balance the budget. Just encouraged more govt spending
4)LBJ- (Democrat) The great society - the largest expansion of Federal Spending (and the creation of a permanent urban structural unemployment)
5).Nixon- (Republican)- The abandonment of the Gold Standard. Made it possible to print money endlessly thus enabling debt to mushroom. Maybe the biggest mistake in this list.
6).Carter - (Democrat) creation of two huge federal money wasting agencies - Department of Education and Energy not to mention the EPA
7) .Bush 41 (Republican) - Medicare fix bill , the 2008 bailout, bullshit "big government conservativism"
8 Obama (Democrat ) the second stimulus, the impending take over of 1/6 of the US economy,

(and the 2 democrats and 2 republican presidents not on the above "hall of shame" the list didn't do much to fight the trend wither). Neither of the two main parties will ever do anything about spending and debt. It gives them power.

I thought the EPA happened under Nixon, not Carter.
Any list that talks about gov't spending without mentioning Reagan is not serious.

You are right about the date of the EPA- i got my years mixed up , I wouldnt argue with the fact that Reagan did nothing to fight the explosion of governement spending either.

And good ol boy Ronnie also passed the biggest tax increase in history. Ok, back to Cash Cab, unless I see that bloody tampon RobbieG.

[slucero]

Its' not "certain parties may have"... they actually have...
On December 16, 2009 John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) introduced legislation that would restore the Glass-Steagall Act (aka the Banking Act of 1933),

McCain is NOT the Republican Party, he is one senator, and generally considered a progressive RINO.
GOP leadership is not calling for more regulation, neither is the party base.
To them, the resulting economic crash was the result of Barney Frank, Acorn, and Freddie and Fannie.
They couldn’t care less about reigning in the investment banks.

Not quite.
On October 21, 1999 the "Banking Modernization Act", was deadlocked... in a GOP led Congress.
Sanford I. Weill (who founded Citigroup) made a personal call to President Clinton asking for his help in breaking the GOP deadlock. A deal was announced at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 22nd that would eventually lead to CitiGroup to becoming the largest financial institution in the world. Clinton’s signature on the repeal of Glass-Steagall wiped out one of the most important pieces of FDR New Deal legislation. The pen Clinton used to sign the bill is on Sanford I. Weill's wall....

This has nothing to do with anything I said.
The original Glass-Steagall was part of FDR’s New Deal regulatory reforms – all of which were condemned and opposed by Conservatives as taking us down the path to communism.
Very little has changed in that regard.
On economics, Clinton was not your stereotypical Democrat.
The repeal of Glass-Steagall represented the culmination of Alan Greenspan/Arthur Laffer right wing/free market/deregulatory economics tha held the country in its grip since Reagan.
If you pretend these ideological and historical differences between the parties don’t exist, I have to assume you are being willfully blind, or are some sort of Ralph Nader “every-party-is-the-same” anarchist.

You can assume what ever you like...

I never said McCain was the Republican party... you however said "They MAY have.."... my point was "they" actually did try... together... Rep/Dem...

I never said the GOP didn't condemn Glass-Steagal... I said the GOP actually was deadlocked on the 1999 repeal and it took a call to Clinton to get it finished. A case of a Democrat doing something more in line with the GOP, while the GOP was doing something more inline with Democrat thinking.... so you can call Clinton an "un-stereotypical Democrat"... that would be no different than me calling FDR one... they're still Democrats... apparently party affiliation is important to you.. that's fine... its not important to me..

I never said ideological and historical differences between the parties don’t exist... so stop putting words in my mouth... and I'm no anarchist...

I do believe that both parties are more self-serving than they are public-serving... and both party's' records speak to that end.

This country is further in debt than it has ever been, and is more divided than it has ever been. Yet we still have the same political parties... hmmm.

You are right about one thing... "very little has changed"...

[conversationpc]

apparently party affiliation is important to you.. that's fine... its not important to me..

I never said ideological and historical differences between the parties don’t exist... so stop putting words in my mouth... and I'm no anarchist...

I do believe that both parties are more self-serving than they are public-serving... and both party's' records speak to that end.

This country is further in debt than it has ever been, and is more divided than it has ever been. Yet we still have the same political parties... hmmm.

You are right about one thing... "very little has changed"...

A-fricking-men!

[RocknRoll]

Joining the c&p crowd, I just couldn't help it.

If this is any indication, Obamacare is in even deeper doodoo. I think Virginia is one of those states that already have their own state plan.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 32032.html

Virginia first state to challenge federal health insurance mandate
By: Barbara Hollingsworth
Local Opinion Editor
03/05/10 1:20 PM EST
Congress hasn’t even passed Obamacare yet, but if and when it does, Virginia’s General Assembly has already fired the first round in what could be a major legal showdown with Washington over the limits of federal power.

On Thursday, the oldest legislative body in the Western Hemisphere became the first state to enact legislation that prohibits the federal government from forcing its citizens to purchase government-approved health insurance. The measure was sponsored by two Northern Virginians - State Senator Jill Vogel, R-Warrenton, and Del. Bob Marshall, R-Manassas - who also co-signed a Feb. 24 letter to President Obama protesting state legislators’ exclusion from his recent health care summit.

In an ominous sign for the president’s top domestic priority, five Democrats in the Virginia Senate joined 18 Republicans to vote for the Virginia Health Care Freedom Act in a state Obama won handily less than 18 months ago. They were, perhaps, influenced by the 2,400 grassroots activists who trekked to Richmond last month to oppose federally mandated insurance coverage.

A constitutional amendment passed earlier in Arizona, but has yet to be approved by voters. It will be on the ballot in November.

Legislators in more than 30 other states are also considering similar bills based on the American Legislative Exchange Council’s Freedom of Choice in Health Care model.

The Tenth Amendment Center has a map of pending health care "nullification" bills that challenge the federal government’s jurisdiction based on its reading of the Constitution.

So even if Obamacare passes, this brewing constitutional battle could delay enactment for quite some time.

[RedWingFan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... DEHvI9WH_Q

Obama Budget Underestimates Deficit Over 10 Years, CBO Says
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March 5 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s budget proposal would generate bigger deficits than advertised each year for the next decade, with the 10-year shortfall totaling $1.2 trillion more than the administration estimated, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
The nonpartisan CBO, in an annual analysis of the White House budget proposal, said today that under Obama’s plan deficits would never shrink below 4 percent of the economy between now and 2020. The cumulative deficits would total $9.76 trillion, and debt held by the public would amount to 90 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product by 2020, the CBO said.

By 2020, the federal debt would grow to $20.3 trillion under Obama’s budget, according to CBO.

Those figures are all higher than the administration estimated last month when it said its budget would cut the deficit to as low as 3.6 percent of GDP, with total shortfalls over 10 years totaling $8.5 trillion. The publicly held debt would grow to 77 percent of GDP in 2020, under the administration’s estimate.

This year’s deficit will total $1.5 trillion, according to the CBO report.

[7 Wishes]

That Spendocrat in elephant's clothes, one Ronnie "Family Values / Thrice Married" Reagan, TRIPLED the national debt in his eight brilliant years.

Let's put this to rest, once and for all. Supply-side (i.e. trickle-down) economics DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE WORKED.

Reagan's economic record was abysmal. Couple that with the fact that he NEVER ONCE met with Donald Regan to discuss economic policy, add in his rapidly developing dementia, and remember he actually tried to pass $350 billion MORE in spending than Congress approved in his eight miserly years as President, and you can see he was one of our worst commanders-in-chief. He had NO INTENTION of "bankrupting" the U.S.S.R. as a method to end the cold war - he simply wanted America to have all the biggest toys. He didn't have a clue.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/09/supply_side.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/200902070003

[7 Wishes]

Reaganomics made the assumption that if taxes were cut for investors and businesses, they would save and invest their tax savings into the economy. The effects of this would then "trickle down" to the working class in the form of better and higher-paying jobs...but of course, irrefutable data and most economists can show you this theory does not work.

Deficit spending was a hallmark of Reaganomics. The federal government spent more than it took in in tax revenues mainly to finance an expanding military budget. To finance the debt, the government sold treasury bonds and paid investors interest on those bonds. As a consequence, future tax revenues went toward paying the interest on the debt.

Many social programs were cut supposedly to offset some of the increase in the military budget, but also because of the Reagan ideology that "government handouts" made people lazy and dependent and working people shouldn't have to suuport them through their taxes. Most reductions were made at the expense of people who needed the money, such as those on Social Security disability and food stamps (I know, I know...screw 'em, right?!). At the same time, however, the new military programs were wasteful and items such as the development of missile defense systems and armored vehicles which simply did not and could never work and were financed by the government year after year, without a review.

We are silll paying for the failure of Reaganomics.

Contrast that with Clintonomics. More millionaires were created under Clinton than under both Bushes and Reagan combined, and he basically took the Roosevelt/Reagan model and turned it upside down. So don't try to insinuate that the GOP had anything to do with that, since they still preach trickle-down as a viable economic model.

[Rockindeano]

That Spendocrat in elephant's clothes, one Ronnie "Family Values / Thrice Married" Reagan, TRIPLED the national debt in his eight brilliant years.

Let's put this to rest, once and for all. Supply-side (i.e. trickle-down) economics DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE WORKED.

Reagan's economic record was abysmal. Couple that with the fact that he NEVER ONCE met with Donald Regan to discuss economic policy, add in his rapidly developing dementia, and remember he actually tried to pass $350 billion MORE in spending than Congress approved in his eight miserly years as President, and you can see he was one of our worst commanders-in-chief. He had NO INTENTION of "bankrupting" the U.S.S.R. as a method to end the cold war - he simply wanted America to have all the biggest toys. He didn't have a clue.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/09/supply_side.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/200902070003

One could argue for Reagan about the tie in of spending and the Cold War. He always was mentioned as "winning the Cold War" but in all actuality, we the taxpayers did that. I do believe the end result, was brilliant..in that we just spent vs them and eventually those poor fuckers were left holding their dicks in the wind and we had all the toys. I am ok with the increase in the spending with the result we ultimately got, although I don't think that hollow headed Reagan ever could think up a scheme of that magnitude all by himself.

Also, 7 Wishes, you spoke of David Regan and the spending...wasn't David Stockman his Budget Director? He was a douche as well.

[Rockindeano]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

[7 Wishes]

The Cold War may have ended because Russia went bankrupt, but that - and the collapse of communism - had nothing to do with Reagan or Bush. It certainly was never Reagan's intention to win the cold war in that manner, although revisionists would have you believe otherwise.

Regan was the Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan between 81 and 85. Of course, Regan was buried by the Iran-Contra scandal. But the fact remains Ronnie never ONCE met with him to discuss economic policy. His mishandlers handled all of that.

[Rockindeano]

The Cold War may have ended because Russia went bankrupt, but that - and the collapse of communism - had nothing to do with Reagan or Bush. It certainly was never Reagan's intention to win the cold war in that manner, although revisionists would have you believe otherwise.

Regan was the Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan between 81 and 85. Of course, Regan was buried by the Iran-Contra scandal. But the fact remains Ronnie never ONCE met with him to discuss economic policy. His mishandlers handled all of that.

Oh that's right, I was too lazy to look it up. Thanks. Wow, never once met with his Treasury Sec...are you sure? How is that fucking possible?

[7 Wishes]

Of course he was in the same room with him innumerable times, but, seeing as he was the SOT for Reagan TWICE, one would have thought that Reagan would have taken the time to meet with Regan at least once...but Regan revealed in his memoirs that Reagan never once sought him out nor requested his counsel.

[Rockindeano]

Of course he was in the same room with him innumerable times, but, seeing as he was the SOT for Reagan TWICE, one would have thought that Reagan would have taken the time to meet with Regan at least once...but Regan revealed in his memoirs that Reagan never once sought him out nor requested his counsel.

So Regan was a Secretary in name only...I presume Stockman and Reagan made all the horrible decisions, eh? Now I am just getting all torqued up and pissed. Time to go out and get an 18 pack of beer and throttle this fuckin place.

[RedWingFan]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

[Rockindeano]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

LOL, what shining light? Your war mongering party has absolutely ruined this country's reputation.. Congratulations. The world hates us now because of your party's leaders, namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. You're a douche. Way to respect the Office of the Presidency with your avatar. Gee, really, a Socialist? You are serious, and that's what is scary. Absolute filth for you to have an avatar like that. Why don't you fuckers all secede from the Union so we can have a better life. Asshole.

[Ehwmatt]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

LOL, what shining light? Your war mongering party has absolutely ruined this country's reputation.. Congratulations. The world hates us now because of your party's leaders, namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. You're a douche. Way to respect the Office of the Presidency with your avatar. Gee, really, a Socialist? You are serious, and that's what is scary. Absolute filth for you to have an avatar like that. Why don't you fuckers all secede from the Union so we can have a better life. Asshole.

Hey Deano have yu siphoned the shit from your boyfriend's asshole lately? it looks like you need a fix, here take my advice: put a lubed up straw deep into your boyfriends asshole, puff your cheeks up and your lips, and suck that creamy brown shit straight from your boyfriend's hairy cornhole. don't believe it can hlep? just ask jasonD

[Rockindeano]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

LOL, what shining light? Your war mongering party has absolutely ruined this country's reputation.. Congratulations. The world hates us now because of your party's leaders, namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. You're a douche. Way to respect the Office of the Presidency with your avatar. Gee, really, a Socialist? You are serious, and that's what is scary. Absolute filth for you to have an avatar like that. Why don't you fuckers all secede from the Union so we can have a better life. Asshole.

Hey Deano have yu siphoned the shit from your boyfriend's asshole lately? it looks like you need a fix, here take my advice: put a lubed up straw deep into your boyfriends asshole, puff your cheeks up and your lips, and suck that creamy brown shit straight from your boyfriend's hairy cornhole. don't believe it can hlep? just ask jasonD

Jesus Christ..OMFG

[7 Wishes]

Wow. If that wasn't so horribly incomprehensible, I would have said it was way out of line. But, Ehmwatt, or whatever your moniker is...holy crap.

Whenever I provide irrefutable data or anything that largely qualifies a position I contend, I'm still told I'm "wrong more often than anyone else on this board". You don't read the links I provide, you don't study or really know much of anything at all, and yet you cast aspersions or disqualify someone's rightly held opinion because it doesn't jibe with your pathetically narrow perspective on the world. Too fucking bad.

The truth hurts.

Now, again, I would like someone to address DeLay's comments that, during the Bush Administration, it was "accepted," "understood," and "assumed" that GOP-sponsored legislation that was entirely debt financed would be passed by an up and down vote because that was "tradition" and "how things were done" back then. It seems pretty damning to me, and paints the right as morbidly hypocritical, considering their sudden obession with balanced budgets. At least Obama's debt is doing some good, and not just building imaginary Star Wars lasers on a moon base.

[verslibre]

Nice image, Deano!!!


Though I'm still wondering why it's okay to show a real naked cock on this site, but I had my avatar yanked because it was a cel from an animated film that showed a pair of breasts, and it might offend somebody on THIS site.

[JasonD]

Nice image, Deano!!!


Though I'm still wondering why it's okay to show a real naked cock on this site, but I had my avatar yanked because it was a cel from an animated film that showed a pair of breasts, and it might offend somebody on THIS site.

You think that's bad...... I had my avatar pulled & all it showed was my naked thigh.

[gr8dane]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

LOL, what shining light? Your war mongering party has absolutely ruined this country's reputation.. Congratulations. The world hates us now because of your party's leaders, namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. You're a douche. Way to respect the Office of the Presidency with your avatar. Gee, really, a Socialist? You are serious, and that's what is scary. Absolute filth for you to have an avatar like that. Why don't you fuckers all secede from the Union so we can have a better life. Asshole.

Hey Deano have yu siphoned the shit from your boyfriend's asshole lately? it looks like you need a fix, here take my advice: put a lubed up straw deep into your boyfriends asshole, puff your cheeks up and your lips, and suck that creamy brown shit straight from your boyfriend's hairy cornhole. don't believe it can hlep? just ask jasonD

Jesus Christ..OMFG

As ehwmatt is a big re-user and re-cycler,please send the straw to him after the buttmunch.

[Saint John]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

LOL, what shining light? Your war mongering party has absolutely ruined this country's reputation.. Congratulations. The world hates us now because of your party's leaders, namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. You're a douche. Way to respect the Office of the Presidency with your avatar. Gee, really, a Socialist? You are serious, and that's what is scary. Absolute filth for you to have an avatar like that. Why don't you fuckers all secede from the Union so we can have a better life. Asshole.

Hey Deano have yu siphoned the shit from your boyfriend's asshole lately? it looks like you need a fix, here take my advice: put a lubed up straw deep into your boyfriends asshole, puff your cheeks up and your lips, and suck that creamy brown shit straight from your boyfriend's hairy cornhole. don't believe it can hlep? just ask jasonD

I'm just looking at the time of this post and laughing. I'm just surprised I didn't get a text message informing me that you wanna kill me ... again.

[Ehwmatt]

I am sure most of you know this, and I am not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but you do know Reagan was a Democrat when he first started out in politics..Illinois I believe.

Yeah h said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. That was back in the 60's. Now they're pretty much marxists like 7 wishes. If fucking Europe is so great, go there and leave the shining light on a hill alone. Dickweed.

LOL, what shining light? Your war mongering party has absolutely ruined this country's reputation.. Congratulations. The world hates us now because of your party's leaders, namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. You're a douche. Way to respect the Office of the Presidency with your avatar. Gee, really, a Socialist? You are serious, and that's what is scary. Absolute filth for you to have an avatar like that. Why don't you fuckers all secede from the Union so we can have a better life. Asshole.

Hey Deano have yu siphoned the shit from your boyfriend's asshole lately? it looks like you need a fix, here take my advice: put a lubed up straw deep into your boyfriends asshole, puff your cheeks up and your lips, and suck that creamy brown shit straight from your boyfriend's hairy cornhole. don't believe it can hlep? just ask jasonD

I'm just looking at the time of this post and laughing. I'm just surprised I didn't get a text message ioforming me that you wanna kill me ... again.

I thought I called you ... maybe not. At any rate, I forgot about this one.

[Ehwmatt]

Wow. If that wasn't so horribly incomprehensible, I would have said it was way out of line. But, Ehmwatt, or whatever your moniker is...holy crap.

Whenever I provide irrefutable data or anything that largely qualifies a position I contend, I'm still told I'm "wrong more often than anyone else on this board". You don't read the links I provide, you don't study or really know much of anything at all, and yet you cast aspersions or disqualify someone's rightly held opinion because it doesn't jibe with your pathetically narrow perspective on the world. Too fucking bad.

The truth hurts.

Now, again, I would like someone to address DeLay's comments that, during the Bush Administration, it was "accepted," "understood," and "assumed" that GOP-sponsored legislation that was entirely debt financed would be passed by an up and down vote because that was "tradition" and "how things were done" back then. It seems pretty damning to me, and paints the right as morbidly hypocritical, considering their sudden obession with balanced budgets. At least Obama's debt is doing some good, and not just building imaginary Star Wars lasers on a moon base.

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you think I care what Dickhead Democrat A or Repugant Republican B is doing these days or the fact that you don't realize I was hammered drunk/not being serious

[Saint John]

I thought I called you ... maybe not. At any rate, I forgot about this one.

Just checked and you did ... and there's a message. This should be good.