President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Jana]

Obama is right, he's got to look at the long term.

Obama's long term is ensnaring as many people under Fed. dependence as possible ASAP. Obama's far left socialist policies are "water" to our capitalist system "oil". Why should private companies willingly play ball with the federal gov't, the brilliant authors of, social security, medicaid, medicare, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, pathetic gov't schools, pathetic gov't housing?
Are you still going to blame Bush in 4 years after a steady and sure collapse of the stock market? This graph shows the market reaction to a likely President Obama no matter how much you whine about it is irrelevant TNC.
Yes I hate to break it to you, but Obama's "stimulus package" isn't going to work, our $14 or $18 a week that Obama's going to let us BORROW this year isn't going to do the trick.
The stock market's only a "tracking poll" to Obama anyway. $60,000 lost to me is nothing but an indicator of his possible re-election. Won't be much longer til most think of the W years as the good ole days.

Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is the numerous banking reforms FDR undertook (FDIC, SEC, Glass-Steagal etc.) worked great for many years and they too were initially decried as "communist!."
I'm all for battle-testing ideas, but right now, it's in the best interest of the country just to ignore you whiny bitches.

Loved your post, TNC

[RedWingFan]

Obama is right, he's got to look at the long term.

Obama's long term is ensnaring as many people under Fed. dependence as possible ASAP. Obama's far left socialist policies are "water" to our capitalist system "oil". Why should private companies willingly play ball with the federal gov't, the brilliant authors of, social security, medicaid, medicare, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, pathetic gov't schools, pathetic gov't housing?
Are you still going to blame Bush in 4 years after a steady and sure collapse of the stock market? This graph shows the market reaction to a likely President Obama no matter how much you whine about it is irrelevant TNC.
Yes I hate to break it to you, but Obama's "stimulus package" isn't going to work, our $14 or $18 a week that Obama's going to let us BORROW this year isn't going to do the trick.
The stock market's only a "tracking poll" to Obama anyway. $60,000 lost to me is nothing but an indicator of his possible re-election. Won't be much longer til most think of the W years as the good ole days.

Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is the numerous banking reforms FDR undertook (FDIC, SEC, Glass-Steagal etc.) worked great for many years and they too were initially decried as "communist!."
I'm all for battle-testing ideas, but right now, it's in the best interest of the country just to ignore you whiny bitches.

Loved your post, TNC

Yeah, he blew all my points right out of the water with, "blah, blah, blah"
At least it had enough substance for you though.

[conversationpc]

Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is the numerous banking reforms FDR undertook (FDIC, SEC, Glass-Steagal etc.) worked great for many years and they too were initially decried as "communist!."
I'm all for battle-testing ideas, but right now, it's in the best interest of the country just to ignore you whiny bitches.

Ignoring us "whiny bitches" is what's going to get the country into even more trouble. For us to pull out of this thing is going to require Washington to listen to both sides instead of just this one-sided argument we've seen thus far.

Hell, even John Kerry understands that Obama hasn't known what the heck he's doing thus far. He's calling for the resignation of Timothy Geithner.

[Rockindeano]

Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is the numerous banking reforms FDR undertook (FDIC, SEC, Glass-Steagal etc.) worked great for many years and they too were initially decried as "communist!."
I'm all for battle-testing ideas, but right now, it's in the best interest of the country just to ignore you whiny bitches.

Ignoring us "whiny bitches" is what's going to get the country into even more trouble. For us to pull out of this thing is going to require Washington to listen to both sides instead of just this one-sided argument we've seen thus far.

Hell, even John Kerry understands that Obama hasn't known what the heck he's doing thus far. He's calling for the resignation of Timothy Geithner.

Had the country ignored the Right 8 years ago, we would be in a much better place.

Sorry, but you folks have ZERO political capital, but congratulations, you earned it fair and square.

[conversationpc]

Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is the numerous banking reforms FDR undertook (FDIC, SEC, Glass-Steagal etc.) worked great for many years and they too were initially decried as "communist!."
I'm all for battle-testing ideas, but right now, it's in the best interest of the country just to ignore you whiny bitches.

Ignoring us "whiny bitches" is what's going to get the country into even more trouble. For us to pull out of this thing is going to require Washington to listen to both sides instead of just this one-sided argument we've seen thus far.

Hell, even John Kerry understands that Obama hasn't known what the heck he's doing thus far. He's calling for the resignation of Timothy Geithner.

Had the country ignored the Right 8 years ago, we would be in a much better place.

Sorry, but you folks have ZERO political capital, but congratulations, you earned it fair and square.

We're in the position we are because Bush spent like a liberal and your party was part of it. Liberal goons like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank had as much to do with it. That political capital you think your side has isn't worth very much.

[The_Noble_Cause]

We're in the position we are because Bush spent like a liberal and your party was part of it.

Having tax cuts in a time of war is not liberal.
In fact, up until Bush, it was completely unheard of from any political party ANYWHERE.
Bush was a good shepherd of Reagan Conservatism...right down to meddling in unnecessary wars and multiplying the debt.

[Eric]

Had the country ignored the Right 8 years ago, we would be in a much better place.

NO WAY!

Terror, the race card and greed would have plagued this country no matter what.....

[conversationpc]

We're in the position we are because Bush spent like a liberal and your party was part of it.

Having tax cuts in a time of war is not liberal.
In fact, up until Bush, it was completely unheard of from any political party ANYWHERE.
Bush was a good shepherd of Reagan Conservatism...right down to meddling in unnecessary wars and multiplying the debt.

Yeah, boy, those record revenues coming in despite the war and tax cuts was really hard on people, huh? Face up...The tax cuts worked but it was the out-of-control spending by Bush and Congress and lack of oversight on their part that got us into this.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

But why the fuck is everyone aruguing? The Big Government Lefts got the ball, and all the political capital. We'll soon know if it is a disaster or not. The problem is no one is arguing and alternative Big Government Conservativism is as almost as ineffective and dangerous as Big Government Liberalism, save for the fact that the tax burden is a little lower for awhile and choas gets delayed.

People might wake up when all the prime movers of this world shrug their burdens off their back and say fuck it, im not bothering anymore and we all face the negative consequences of that decision.

[bluejeangirl76]

But why the fuck is everyone aruguing?

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[Gin and Tonic Sky]

But why the fuck is everyone aruguing?

Did you forget where you are? Check the address in your browser bar.

oh yeah of course..... silly me.....

[hoagiepete]

You can't blame Obama for this. Man, this is surely a staffer job. If he includes picking out gifts for dignataries as one of the tough decisions he has to make, we're in deep shit.

I hope I'm wrong, but it does appear he is in over his head or is incapable of putting competent staffers around him.

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

[conversationpc]

You can't blame Obama for this. Man, this is surely a staffer job. If he includes picking out gifts for dignataries as one of the tough decisions he has to make, we're in deep shit.

I hope I'm wrong, but it does appear he is in over his head or is incapable of putting competent staffers around him.

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

You know darn well that Bush would've rightly gotten slammed if the same thing had happened under his administration.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

You can't blame Obama for this. Man, this is surely a staffer job. If he includes picking out gifts for dignataries as one of the tough decisions he has to make, we're in deep shit.

I hope I'm wrong, but it does appear he is in over his head or is incapable of putting competent staffers around him.

Boy, talk about Bush supposedly being dumb...Has anyone else heard about Obama giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 DVDs? Gordon gave Obama a pen holder, fashioned from the wood of the HMS Gannet, a ship that served on anti-slavery missions to Africa.

Granted, they are supposedly classic American films but, come on...DVDs? I'm surprised he didn't get him a Wal Mart gift card.

Another treasure given to Obama is a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.

Finally, Brown gave Obama a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... rown-dvds/

I also almost forgot to mention that Obama refused to do a dual press conference with Brown as is customary upon a foreign leader's arrival. Apparently, Obama was "tired".

A completley stupid move... stupid for the fact that you just dont ignore your biggest ally who often has backed you even if they dont agree with you.. secondly, given the fact that the British press has been going on about how wonderful Obama is , its hardly good PR as the British press is pretty miffed...

[conversationpc]

Here's what the Demohack tax cheats think of us little people....Charlie Rangle (D) New York:

"Mind your own Goddamned business."


Rangel can't stand the heat over his mounting ethical/financial scandals. When Hot Air TV special correspondent Jason Mattera confronts the tax cheat, Rangel has a snit fit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdtFWCrC ... -business/



The nerve of these goobers galls me.

I used to think Rangel was one of the good guys. Not any more.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, boy, those record revenues coming in despite the war and tax cuts was really hard on people, huh?

Face up...The tax cuts worked but it was the out-of-control spending by Bush and Congress and lack of oversight on their part that got us into this.

I can't think of a better example of "out of control" spending than an unecessary 3 trillion dollar war.
As for the "record revenues" canard, that was even shot down by Bush's own chief economist on his Council of Economic Advisers, Andrew Samwick .
Saying:

"To anyone in the [Bush] Administration who may read this blog, I have one small wish for the new year. Please stop your boss from writing or saying the following-

'It is also a fact that our tax cuts have fueled robust economic growth and record revenues.'

You are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one.

If I'm wrong, show me the evidence ... and tell me why the tax cuts were so small given their effects on revenues.

http://voxbaby.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-years-plea.html

It has also been debunked here: http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/supply-side_spin.html

[conversationpc]

Yeah, boy, those record revenues coming in despite the war and tax cuts was really hard on people, huh?

Face up...The tax cuts worked but it was the out-of-control spending by Bush and Congress and lack of oversight on their part that got us into this.

I can't think of a better example of "out of control" spending than an unecessary 3 trillion dollar war.
As for the "record revenues" canard, that was even shot down by Bush's own chief economist on his Council of Economic Advisers, Andrew Samwick .
Saying:

"To anyone in the [Bush] Administration who may read this blog, I have one small wish for the new year. Please stop your boss from writing or saying the following-

'It is also a fact that our tax cuts have fueled robust economic growth and record revenues.'

You are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one.

If I'm wrong, show me the evidence ... and tell me why the tax cuts were so small given their effects on revenues.

http://voxbaby.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-years-plea.html

It has also been debunked here: http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/supply-side_spin.html

OK...I have no problem admitting I'm wrong on that one. However...

Regardless of whether it was actually a "record" or not, the government certainly wasn't hurting for money at the time. The problem with our government has ALWAYS been spending more than we were taking in. It can be argued that the war in Iraq was unnecessary but there was certainly still an overabundance of spending going on and the Dems in Congress have no business hooting and hollering about spending on the war when they've been busy throwing our money away on other things at the same time.

[maverick218]

I see clips of government printing presses just printing new money....doesn't this lower the value of the dollar?

I believe it does, and that has me fucking furious. Why should my hard work be "devalued"? I have worked my ass off and saved, but my dough is gonna be worth less because of assholes that got in too far over their heads? Fuck that. I understand that there are real hardship cases, but the vast majority of people that have failed this country are the ones that have a foreclosure sign in the front yard but still have cell phones, a new car and all the latest gadgets. Yet they wonder where it all went wrong. The mindset in this country is completely fucked and Obama is making it exponentially worse. The Bush stimulus checks were fucking stupid and so is this new "stimulus" bullshit.

You will also see the return of inflation...

[Barb]

Obama Signs Law Banning Federal Embryo Research Two Days After Signing Executive Order to OK It

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=44943


I guess no one reads anything they sign. What a maroooon...

[Rockindeano]

America is already a much better place since O took office.

Nice try Cons.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama Signs Law Banning Federal Embryo Research Two Days After Signing Executive Order to OK It

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=44943


I guess no one reads anything they sign. What a maroooon...

Probably preoccupied reading more important matters...like daily intelligence briefings warning about Bin Laden.
Y'know, stuff the wetbrained cowpoke ignored.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Tell me this man isn't mentally ill...
He breaks down not once, but THREE times over the span of 4 minutes.
This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44vr33XIo

[conversationpc]

Tell me this man isn't mentally ill...
He breaks down not once, but THREE times over the span of 4 minutes.
This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44vr33XIo

Only in your world where life is seen through consistently jaded blinders is a man who can actually cry when something emotionally touches him considered to be mentally ill. Ask any real psychologist if he is mentally ill and I guarantee you they would say no or, at the very least, that there's no way they can tell for sure. In my opinion, it's much more of a mental illness for men who don't or can't cry. Talk about being pigeonholed by your culture. Considering your narcissitic personality, I'd say it's much more likely that you're suffering from mental illness.

Anyway, he and his staff often joke about how easily he cries and they have a really good time with it. That's not exactly the hallmark of someone who is mentally ill.

On average, men in the U.S. cry less than in most other countries. However, depression, which is considered a mental illness, is much more prevelant in the U.S. than in other countries...

Picture the countries battling the highest rates of depression, and you probably think of those that are developing or poor.

Think again.

The U.S. tops the list, with 9.6% of the population experiencing bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder or chronic minor depression over the course of a year.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/15/depres ... essed.html

[AlteredDNA]

Tell me this man isn't mentally ill...
He breaks down not once, but THREE times over the span of 4 minutes.
This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44vr33XIo

Only in your world where life is seen through consistently jaded blinders is a man who can actually cry when something emotionally touches him considered to be mentally ill. Ask any real psychologist if he is mentally ill and I guarantee you they would say no or, at the very least, that there's no way they can tell for sure. In my opinion, it's much more of a mental illness for men who don't or can't cry. Talk about being pigeonholed by your culture. Considering your narcissitic personality, I'd say it's much more likely that you're suffering from mental illness.

Actuall, I find myself crying a bit more as well since Obama's been elected...

Edited to reflect Dave's edit...

[conversationpc]

Actuall, I find myself crying a bit more as well since Obama's been elected...

[Eric]

America is already a much better place since O took office.

Nice try Cons.

Igorance is bliss I guess Dean.

[Barb]

Tell me this man isn't mentally ill...
He breaks down not once, but THREE times over the span of 4 minutes.
This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44vr33XIo

Only in your world where life is seen through consistently jaded blinders is a man who can actually cry when something emotionally touches him considered to be mentally ill. Ask any real psychologist if he is mentally ill and I guarantee you they would say no or, at the very least, that there's no way they can tell for sure. In my opinion, it's much more of a mental illness for men who don't or can't cry. Talk about being pigeonholed by your culture. Considering your narcissitic personality, I'd say it's much more likely that you're suffering from mental illness.

Anyway, he and his staff often joke about how easily he cries and they have a really good time with it. That's not exactly the hallmark of someone who is mentally ill.

On average, men in the U.S. cry less than in most other countries. However, depression, which is considered a mental illness, is much more prevelant in the U.S. than in other countries...

Picture the countries battling the highest rates of depression, and you probably think of those that are developing or poor.

Think again.

The U.S. tops the list, with 9.6% of the population experiencing bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder or chronic minor depression over the course of a year.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/15/depres ... essed.html

LOL! "News Hounds" is running an article today about how Glenn must be mentally ill because of the incestuous relationship he described with his sister in his book, "The Real America". Those people are so freaking stupid, it's pathetic.

Poor Glenn. He does cry easily, but he is a very emotional guy. I also think by the time the show aired yesterday, he was exhausted and probably overwhelmed by the turnout all over the country.

[conversationpc]

LOL! "News Hounds" is running an article today about how Glenn must be mentally ill because of the incestuous relationship he described with his sister in his book, "The Real America". Those people are so freaking stupid, it's pathetic.

Yeah, the liberal puppetmasters have been trying to paint him with the "mental illness" thing for awhile now. Not surprising considering that's just how the playbook reads.

Anyway, I've never read "The Real America" so I'm not familiar with that story.

[Barb]

LOL! "News Hounds" is running an article today about how Glenn must be mentally ill because of the incestuous relationship he described with his sister in his book, "The Real America". Those people are so freaking stupid, it's pathetic.

Yeah, the liberal puppetmasters have been trying to paint him with the "mental illness" thing for awhile now. Not surprising considering that's just how the playbook reads.

Anyway, I've never read "The Real America" so I'm not familiar with that story.

I haven't read it in quite a while, but I think it was an example of his "change the words, change the meaning" theory. It was absolutely 100% made up. People who comment on Glenn who don't get Glenn are so irritating.

[Rockindeano]

America is already a much better place since O took office.

Nice try Cons.

Igorance is bliss I guess Dean.

I guess you want to return to the daily corruption, ineptness and blind disregard of the constitution eh? Also, a nice tidy economy as well under W.

Obama inherited the worst mess ever left for someone on Pennsylvania Ave. You all expect him to have it cleaned up within 80 days huh?

Your party is an embarrassment, and your ideals are almost laughable. You do know that the GOP is a heartbreak away from extinction right?