President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RedWingFan]

So....how, now, brown cow? I can't WAIT to see what you dittoheads have to say about THIS one. This should be a lark.

Oh I don't know. Maybe republicans have seen what an utter disaster it's been around the world. Maybe Republicans don't want cancer survival rates to drop. Ever think of that Professor Jones?

[Behshad]

200 pages of shit-slinging from both sides.

The fact is that all the Limbaugh kids running around here and spewing their so called facts , aren't just against Obama. It doesn't matter which democrat wouldve been voted in and what policy and changes he wouldve suggested. You guys would always disagree with ANYTHING a democrat president would say just cause that your #1 rule written by Daddy Rush.
Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

Why can't you guys realize that both parties have had many great and equally shitty presidents in the office. Why is it so hard to put the party bullshit aside and look at it from a neutral perspective and give credit where/when it's desereved.

Bush Jr was one of the worse presidents we ever had. His dad was the exact opposite. He was educated and did all that he thought was best for HIS COUNTRY. That's just ONE example. Open your eyes. Open your mind and wish and hope for a better USA than wishing heart attacks and such on the president.

[Jana]

200 pages of shit-slinging from both sides.

The fact is that all the Limbaugh kids running around here and spewing their so called facts , aren't just againg Obama. It doesn't matter which democrat wouldve been voted in and what policy and changes he wouldve suggested. You guys would always disagree with ANYTHING a democrat president would sat just cause that your #1 rule written by Daddy Rush.
Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

Why can't you guys realize that both parties have had many great and equally shitty presidents in the office. Why is it so hard to put the party bullshit aside and look at it from a neutral perspective and give credit where/when it's desereved.

Bush Jr was one of the worse presidents we ever had. His dad was the exact opposite. He was educated and did all that he thought was best for HIS COUNTRY. That's just ONE example. Open your eyes. Open your mind and wish and hope for a better USA than wishing heart attacks and such on the president.

Great post. I voted for George H.W. When they were calling him the Wimp Factor, I disagreed. Look at his resume with his career. Great man. I ultimately decided second term to vote for Clinton b/c I felt at the end Bush had his head in the sand. Hard decision to make b/c of my admiration of Bush. All my friends told me I was crazy to vote Democrat and had all kinds of fear tactics that I almost bought into. Clinton was a great president, but who made errors too. But George W., is definitely one of the worst presidents I will ever see in my lifetime, and I gave him two years of support b/f dumping on him. If next term a Republican president made it in, if it was someone I admired like Romney, I would stand behind that president and give him a chance, also, even though I may disagree with some of his policies. But if Palin gets in as President, I will be in Costa Rica with RVR, since he will already be down there because of the healthcare bill.

I have always given credit where due with opposing presidents than I voted for. Not much to give with Bush W, but even a little bit with him. But my Republican friends. when I mention a Democrat president, I swear they get hatred in their eyes. I've never seen anything like it. I was raised in a Democrat family that as my siblings grew up, my parents and my siblings had at one time or another voted Republican if they believed in the president against the credentials of the opponent. When Bush won over Gore, I was not happy, but accepted it past the inital disappointment, But when Obama won, wow, my friends were practically screaming at me telling me over-the-top things, rabid-like behavior. I can no longer discuss politics with anyone except likeminded. Too hotbed of a topic and gets ugly.

[donnaplease]

200 pages of shit-slinging from both sides.

The fact is that all the Limbaugh kids running around here and spewing their so called facts , aren't just against Obama. It doesn't matter which democrat wouldve been voted in and what policy and changes he wouldve suggested. You guys would always disagree with ANYTHING a democrat president would say just cause that your #1 rule written by Daddy Rush.
Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

Why can't you guys realize that both parties have had many great and equally shitty presidents in the office. Why is it so hard to put the party bullshit aside and look at it from a neutral perspective and give credit where/when it's desereved.

Bush Jr was one of the worse presidents we ever had. His dad was the exact opposite. He was educated and did all that he thought was best for HIS COUNTRY. That's just ONE example. Open your eyes. Open your mind and wish and hope for a better USA than wishing heart attacks and such on the president.

Don't consider myself a Limbaugh kid, but I do listen to him from time to time. I disagree about 'whatever democrat' as well. If Mark Warner would've run, he would've had my vote, because I thought he was a pretty good governor for Virginia. Very level-headed and a very good businessman, from what I remember. THAT'S what we need in the office! I don't think McCain would have made a good president, even though given the choices I had, he was my guy. I would not be supporting the health care bill if he suggested it, because I don't think it's a good one.

I think most of us DO realize that there are a-holes on both sides. If we intellectualize it, I'm sure we would all agree. The problem is that many of us speak from our hearts, not our heads, and coming from different places, we each see things differently.

[RedWingFan]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

[Behshad]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

Limbaugh kid #1 has crawled out. Next!

Crock of shit is exactly what you are fed when you let that nasty fat bastard brainwash you.

much easier to "run the country" from a studio , hiding behind a microphone.

[Angel]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

I don't appreciate being called a moron, especially by you. You are wrong! I would oppose this bill as it is regardless of who proposed it. You're stooping pretty low to resort to such tactics, B. Some Republicans are intelligent people that actually think for themselves. What is it that has suddenly made you believe that you know everything about everyone and that you have all the answers?

[RedWingFan]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

Limbaugh kid #1 has crawled out. Next!

Crock of shit is exactly what you are fed when you let that nasty fat bastard brainwash you.

much easier to "run the country" from a studio , hiding behind a microphone.

Don't want to Google it and find out for yourself? Why not?

[Behshad]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

I don't appreciate being called a moron, especially by you. You are wrong! I would oppose this bill as it is regardless of who proposed it. You're stooping pretty low to resort to such tactics, B. Some Republicans are intelligent people that actually think for themselves. What is it that has suddenly made you believe that you know everything about everyone and that you have all the answers?

Did I call You a moron ?!
Those who are close minded and say no to everything a president say just cause they only go by their party ,ARE THE MORONS.
There are many intelligent people from both parties and from supporters of both parties. Those who think the country first , regardless of the party.
If you wouldve actually read what I said , You wouldn't have assumed that I'm suggesting that I know it all and I got all the answers, MORON . I'm just observing people trying to convince eachother that their party is better.

[Angel]

B, you should be a politician. You seem to be very good at saying one thing, then when confronted about it you twist your words around to make it look like you meant something entirely different. Tell me this, do you khow what the meaning of "is" is??

[Behshad]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

Limbaugh kid #1 has crawled out. Next!

Crock of shit is exactly what you are fed when you let that nasty fat bastard brainwash you.

much easier to "run the country" from a studio , hiding behind a microphone.

Don't want to Google it and find out for yourself? Why not?

Limbaugh can call out whoever he wants to call out. He has NO power as long as he's behind a microphone. Sure he can brainwash people like you , but he will never make a change. That is a fact ,,, google it

[Behshad]

B, you should be a politician. You seem to be very good at saying one thing, then when confronted about it you twist your words around to make it look like you meant something entirely different. Tell me this, do you khow what the meaning of "is" is??

yep. You is a moron.

[Rockindeano]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

Limbaugh kid #1 has crawled out. Next!

Crock of shit is exactly what you are fed when you let that nasty fat bastard brainwash you.

much easier to "run the country" from a studio , hiding behind a microphone.

He can't get to Hell fast enough, and I hope he brings is buddies Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, Rove, and the Bush Twins with him.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

Don't want to Google it and find out for yourself? Why not?

Immigration is not healthcare.
Let's try a more relevant example - like when the GOP oversaw the biggest health entitlement expansion since LBJ with Medicare Part D in 2003.
Part D cost more than Obamacare, was completely deficit financed, and the GOP leadership even went so far as to stop the CSPAN cameras as deals were being made on the chamber floor.
And yet, best to my recollection, the national mall remained 100% teabagger free.
RWF - why is that?

[Rockindeano]

Limbaugh can call out whoever he wants to call out. He has NO power as long as he's behind a microphone. Sure he can brainwash people like you , but he will never make a change. That is a fact ,,, google it

I respectfully disagree Behshad. The Party is so light on thought and idea, they in fact do get their marching orders from him. Lest you think he doesn't "run" the party, then you need to go to a poly sci course or four.

[steveo777]

Limbaugh can call out whoever he wants to call out. He has NO power as long as he's behind a microphone. Sure he can brainwash people like you , but he will never make a change. That is a fact ,,, google it

I respectfully disagree Behshad. The Party is so light on thought and idea, they in fact do get their marching orders from him. Lest you think he doesn't "run" the party, then you need to go to a poly sci course or four.

I've never paid much attention to Limbaugh, as I always thought he was just an entertainer or some comedian, not someone with any real fucking sense or power. I was raised a republican in a very much white collar house. I have been a republican most of my adult life. Not anymore. After we got Bushfucked I voted for Obama.

[Rick]

Limbaugh can call out whoever he wants to call out. He has NO power as long as he's behind a microphone. Sure he can brainwash people like you , but he will never make a change. That is a fact ,,, google it

I respectfully disagree Behshad. The Party is so light on thought and idea, they in fact do get their marching orders from him. Lest you think he doesn't "run" the party, then you need to go to a poly sci course or four.

I've never paid much attention to Limbaugh, as I always thought he was just an entertainer or some comedian, not someone with any real fucking sense or power. I was raised a republican in a very much white collar house. I have been a republican most of my adult life. Not anymore. After we got Bushfucked I voted for Obama.

Brilliance!!

[RedWingFan]

Had Mccain won the race and had HE Suggested the same fucking bill , all you morons would be supporting it 100% just cause YOUR PARTY suggested it.

What a crock of shit this is. If you need any evidence since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, just Google Limbaugh,Bush,McCain and amnesty.
The fact is Bush and McCain tried to backdoor the amnesty bill through and Limbaugh was the first to call
Them out.

Don't want to Google it and find out for yourself? Why not?

Immigration is not healthcare.
Let's try a more relevant example - like when the GOP oversaw the biggest health entitlement expansion since LBJ with Medicare Part D in 2003.
Part D cost more than Obamacare, was completely deficit financed, and the GOP leadership even went so far as to stop the CSPAN cameras as deals were being made on the chamber floor.
And yet, best to my recollection, the national mall remained 100% teabagger free.
RWF - why is that?

Well just off the top of my head I would guess that "part D" didn't have the intention of running my insurance company out of business and force me int a government waiting line with punishment of a fine and or jail time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well just off the top of my head I would guess that "part D" didn't have the intention of running my insurance company out of business and force me int a government waiting line with punishment of a fine and or jail time.

If you can't answer the question without trafficing in conspiracy theories, don't bother.
Many countries have achieved universal healthcare while keeping private insurance.
Seems like Behshad was right.

[conversationpc]

200 pages of shit-slinging from both sides.

Spare me the sanctimony.

[Rockindeano]

Finder,

I wish you would tell us your real name, I am starting to discuss matters here with real life friends and I have to refer to an opponent as "Fact Finder."

So what's the Congress letter supposed to tell us? That they are rethinking thinking this? Serious here, no combat or games.

[7 Wishes]

Alan, give it a rest already.

Bush's Part D cost much more than the new healthcare reform, and instead of reducing the debt, was entirely debt-financed.

Thanks to Part D, which was forced through Congress via reconciliation and without the approval of the then-minority Democrats, seniors' benefits were actually worsened and a doughnut hole of $250 annually was opened up which many cannot afford to pay.

Yet Part D has NOT brought our economy down like a house of cards despite being unwieldy and counter-productive.

And these companies are making these claims as a publicity stunt - nothing else.

So put your copy & paste tool down and address the REAL issues...

[BobbyinTN]

They just have to get used to the idea of Health Care Reform being the law of the land. That's not gonna change and Obama doing this right now secures his election in 2012.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

This reminds me of the plot line in Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged, when the State Science Institute bullies and harasses Hank Reardon and other industrialists, one by one, for not toeing their line and buying into the Steel Unification plan and other govt contols. I remember reading Atlas Shrugged thinking, I can see how that can happen in principle, but could it really happen to that extreme in real life. Now I know the answer , yes it does. Sadly

[Ehwmatt]

Absolutely repugnant. Waxman is a complete asshole. The liberals were outraged that the men in black were gonna take Joe Six Pack away from his apartment under the Patriot Act and you have these bozos sending letters and making threats like this? LOL. This is Nazi-esque.

[7 Wishes]

That you would consider this "Nazi-esque" shows just how out of touch with reality you are, and how deeply you have been programmed by Fox, the Chickenhawk Five, and the empty rhetoric and double-speak by your out of touch Republican politicians.

Alan, my point WAS that Obama was closing the doughnut hole that Bush's Medicare Act caused. Thanks for proving it for me.

And, since Part D is DEFECIT FUNDED and ADDED TO THE DEFECIT - whereas the overhaul will REDUCE the DEFECIT (compared to what would have been spent if the current system had remained intact) and is intrinsically self-funded...it IS true that Part D is going to cost FAR MORE than Obamacare.

So...wrong again, pal.

Back to the old Glenn "Adolf" Beck chalkboard for your next inaccuracy-filled talking point, eh? I can't wait to see it

[RedWingFan]

Well just off the top of my head I would guess that "part D" didn't have the intention of running my insurance company out of business and force me int a government waiting line with punishment of a fine and or jail time.

If you can't answer the question without trafficing in conspiracy theories, don't bother.

You asked why the "teabaggers" were on the mall over the past year and not in 2003 and I told you. Conspiracy or not, that's a huge reason why they were there.

[Ehwmatt]

That you would consider this "Nazi-esque" shows just how out of touch with reality you are, and how deeply you have been programmed by Fox, the Chickenhawk Five, and the empty rhetoric and double-speak by your out of touch Republican politicians.

Alan, my point WAS that Obama was closing the doughnut hole that Bush's Medicare Act caused. Thanks for proving it for me.

And, since Part D is DEFECIT FUNDED and ADDED TO THE DEFECIT - whereas the overhaul will REDUCE the DEFECIT (compared to what would have been spent if the current system had remained intact) and is intrinsically self-funded...it IS true that Part D is going to cost FAR MORE than Obamacare.

So...wrong again, pal.

Back to the old Glenn "Adolf" Beck chalkboard for your next inaccuracy-filled talking point, eh? I can't wait to see it

Are you drunk? What the fuck are you talking about? I was talking about the letter from the shit-steemed Stupak and Waxdickman.

[7 Wishes]

All but the first line was directed at Lie Finder.

The first one was a response to your comment that the attempt to get them to viably demonstrate their assertions about the healthcare plan was "Nazi-esque". Mainly, that's because it's all part of a propagandist campaign to smear the truth, and it's mainly being done by Fox and its cronies.

[donnaplease]

seniors' benefits were actually worsened

How were they worsened?