Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNYfan]

TheNipplesofGod

[RedWingFan]

tailhook •2 hours ago

LOL @ DC having their biggest film in a generation.. the very first movie starring both Batman and Superman... their summer tentpole film... kicked out of the Summer by Marvel to of all places MARCH. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh.. how DC has fallen.

[Monker]

Just a quick search, and here you go. In general, the earlier in the year you go, the worse the movies are...with feb. being the worst. The highest rating are in the mid-Summer and holidays.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/brow ... of_it.html

It opens the LAST weekend of March. That leads into April/May.

I already provided statistical proof of some April openers that made plenty of money. I also forgot about Alice in Wonderland, which opened the first weekend of March to a mere $116M.

So unless your surname is de Nostredame and you have prophesied it, you can't say this movie will automatically bomb or underperform. (And you could still be wrong!)

I posted the statistics that on average the crappy movies are early in the year and the high rated movies are released insummer or the holidays. You can find exceptions, sure...but for the numbers you all are GUESSING for BvS, it should be a summer/fall release. If they were so confident but didn't want to split with Captain America, they could have moved it to a holiday release....instead, in typical DC fashion, they go with a 'safe" release of Spring for a mediocre performer. They have NO CONFIDENCE in their product.

[verslibre]

I guess we'll find out eventually, won't we?

[Monker]

[Tell me how well John Carter did...which is the last movie I made this point about.

That film was promoted "with Neolithic incompetence" (LOL!) and generically titled. People went "Who the fuck is John Carter and why is he on Mars?" and they didn't go see it. They thought it was a B-movie. You think the masses of asses know who Edgar Rice Burroughs is? They should have marketed it as aggressively as GotG was and it should have been called Barsoom because it's catchy.

I went through this EXACT SAME ARGUMENT with John Carter. I don't remember who it was with...but they were touting as being the biggest hit of the summer...the predecessor and influence to Star Wars and all the Campbell type hero movies, "I have been waiting forever for this...and it's going to be BIG." THAT was the argument...the SAME stuff you all are saying about BvS.

Now, you are giving excuse after excuse. The bottom line is the studio did not have enough confidence to make it a true summer release so they stuck in Spring and hoped for the best.

[Tell me how well the last Thor movie did.

I honestly have no idea...but I doubt they made anywhere close to a billion $'s.

The third act went to hell. Regardless, Thor is not Superman or Batman.[/quote]

EXACTLY...but DC is bring BvS down to that level anyway. Doesn't say much for what they are expecting.

Because the SUMMER and HOLIDAY SEASON is when people most often see movies. THAT is when movies sell the most tickets. Spring time is generally for crap like "Hanzel and Grettle" and "Jack the Giant Killer". Movies that may be an OK fun time, but not HUGE blockbusters that will make a billion dollars.

That's some creative spelling there, Mister. [/quote]

That is true...and so is my point that they should release BvS in the summer or fall because THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE GO SEE MOVIES. Nobody sits on pins and needles waiting for the big Spring blockbusters....too funny.

That's the difference between DC and Marvel...Guardians could have been, maybe should have been, a Spring release because it is not so well known and had a lot of risky elements. But, they went for it...had confidence in it...and now have one of the bigger summer hits on their hands, and a perfect setup for Avengers 3. Marvel doesn't care what DC is doing and puts CA3 opposite BvS. DC, looks at Capt. America: TWS and balks at competing against that established franchise and changes its release date to a safer one.

[verslibre]

I went through this EXACT SAME ARGUMENT with John Carter. I don't remember who it was with...but they were touting as being the biggest hit of the summer...the predecessor and influence to Star Wars and all the Campbell type hero movies, "I have been waiting forever for this...and it's going to be BIG." THAT was the argument...the SAME stuff you all are saying about BvS.

Riddle me this: what's the difference between Superman/Batman and John Carter?

"Survey says!" The former two characters have been featured in no fewer than thirteen theatrical films since 1978 and 1989, respectively. The latter has been the subject of one movie (two if you count the Bmovie SyFy aired). The former two are also wholly ensconced in pop culture. John Carter is not. Robert E. Howard's Conan is a much more famous character than John Carter, but the Conan reboot tanked. Ask anyone on the street who Superman and Batman are. They'll know.

Now, you are giving excuse after excuse. The bottom line is the studio did not have enough confidence to make it a true summer release so they stuck in Spring and hoped for the best.

No excuses here. I think they made the right move. You're getting a little too worked up over this, I can tell.

EXACTLY...but DC is bring BvS down to that level anyway.

Don't know why you'd say that.

That is true...and so is my point that they should release BvS in the summer or fall because THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE GO SEE MOVIES. Nobody sits on pins and needles waiting for the big Spring blockbusters....too funny.

But this will be a Spring blockbuster featuring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. There's a difference. Loads of people want to see the final product. Don't believe me? Visit the Comic Book Resources and Superhero Hype forums and prepare to be overwhelmed. Register and participate and have a ball!

[verslibre]

Hey, RedwingFan, two can play that game!

Today, 06:58 PM

Colossus1980


I would like to inform/remind posters that Batman v Superman has already started filming back in October 19 2013, with the principal cast filming on May 19 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_...ustice#Filming. The script is not even finished for CA3. There's a small chance CA3 might not even be ready by May 6 2016. That's less than two years with Chris Evans still filming Avengers Age of Ultron!

Of course it should be finalized by then and it makes more sense for B v S to be released earlier since it most likely will be finished way before May 6 2016 since it started filming late last year.

[verslibre]

Somebody agrees with me.

Today, 06:27 PM

Dusk


For what it's worth, this move will guarantee that Batman v Superman will break the opening weekend all-time record for March at the box office. After all, Dark Knight Rises took $160 million, and the current record holder for March is Hunger Games with $152 million. If it was still in May, it would have had a hard time breaking The Avenger's $207 million record, even if Captain America 3 wasn't opening with it.

[Deb]

Aquaman and Wonder Woman go rock climbing, training together.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/08/05/ ... al#!bxWGmX

[The_Noble_Cause]

There's a difference. Loads of people want to see the final product. Don't believe me? Visit the Comic Book Resources and Superhero Hype forums and prepare to be overwhelmed. Register and participate and have a ball!

Like I said, out-of-touch. The both of you. Those "loads of people", if they can be bothered to swivel away from the computer, can't make or break a movie. It needs to have mass appeal. Expect the advertising campaign to promote Batman heavily and downplay Superman's role to a walk-on part. Like Kramer saying "these pretzels are making me thirsty" on the fake Woody Allen movie on Seinfeld.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is Batman and Superman. This movie can dominate the box office for weeks. This movie is going to set a record.

Don't bet on it.

[verslibre]

out-of-touch

Look who needs to be reminded which forum he posts on constantly.

if they can be bothered to swivel away from the computer

Mirror. Look. Now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Look who needs to be reminded which forum he posts on constantly.

I don't need to be reminded that I am on MelodicRock. I love MR.com and am proud to be on this website and see it evolve over the years. If you're so painfully embarrassed to be here, maybe it's time to hit the road.

[verslibre]

Sorry I hurt your feelings. Funny as hell to see the resident bigmouth generalize the memberships of other forums as "out of touch" while he beats his tympani and clangs his cymbals in this place with 40,000 fewer members posting daily.

Try something with a little more finesse. Like the triangle.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Funny as hell to see the resident bigmouth generalize the memberships of other forums as "out of touch" while he beats his tympani and clangs his cymbals in this place with 40,000 fewer members posting daily.

Try something with a little more finesse. Like the triangle.

Not what I said. AT ALL. I did say that BOTH OF YOU are out of touch if you think that legions of Farmville and Fruit Ninja players will make the difference in BvS being a hit or a middle of the road disappointment. I hate to break it to you, but the Average Joe P. Moviegoer doesn't wake up every morning, take a shit, drink coffee, and log on to "super hero hype" forums. If the demand for this movie truly matched your wildly delusional expectations, than WB wouldn't have blinked in the big game of chicken between them and Marvel. Def not a good sign...

[verslibre]

Farmville and Fruit Ninja

I'm not on FB and I don't play those games and the forums I referenced aren't tributes to that shit.

If the demand for this movie truly matched your wildly delusional expectations, than WB wouldn't have blinked in the big game of chicken between them and Marvel. Def not a good sign...

The only thing that was a delusion was the purported game of "chicken" people thought was going on. BvS was pushed back from 2015 to 2016 because they felt it was better not to rush it. It was placed on the same date that "Marvel Movie X" was going to come out on. It wasn't until later that they moved Cap 3 into that slot, because it was moved up and Thor 3 was placed in production limbo for the time being after The Dark World didn't quite tear up the joint as expected. Avengers: Age of Ultron will be ready for 2015 and they've been trying to get Ant-Man made for years. That has a new director and revised cast and will finally come out next year.

So the choice to move BvS to March 26 is just not the big deal you guys are making it out to be. Believe me, Marvel's glad, too. Now these two movies that everyone will go see won't cannibalize each other's ticket sales. Both movies' opening weekends would underperform as a result. It's pointless.

DC is being held to an invisible higher standard than Marvel is, which is bullshit. Iron Man 3 made buckets of money in spite of being a pretty lame flick. Neither sequel matched the evenness of the first movie. Right now Marvel is a brand, and a bandwagon, and you're jumping on it because you want to be with "the cool kids." If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

Both DC and Marvel each have two $1B films: The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises and Avengers/Iron Man 3. Marvel has made more movies and successfully fashioned a shared onscreen universe, which is great. If DC had done it first, would people talk shit about Marvel? Probably not. Either way, nothing Marvel has done so far has matched the awesomeness of The Dark Knight.

If May-August are the best months to release blockbuster films, why do The Hobbit films come out in December? The first one made more than 1B and Smaug is almost there. Why did Sony's ASM2 open to only $137M leading in from the July 4th holiday — Tuesday, July 3, rather — all the way through Sunday?

Cool your jets, dude. You're spinning your wheels.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Farmville and Fruit Ninja

I'm not on FB and I don't play those games and the forums I referenced aren't tributes to that shit.

If the demand for this movie truly matched your wildly delusional expectations, than WB wouldn't have blinked in the big game of chicken between them and Marvel. Def not a good sign...

The only thing that was a delusion was the purported game of "chicken" people thought was going on. BvS was pushed back from 2015 to 2016 because they felt it was better not to rush it. It was placed on the same date that "Marvel Movie X" was going to come out on. It wasn't until later that they moved Cap 3 into that slot, because it was moved up and Thor 3 was placed in production limbo for the time being after The Dark World didn't quite tear up the joint as expected. Avengers: Age of Ultron will be ready for 2015 and they've been trying to get Ant-Man made for years. That has a new director and revised cast and will finally come out next year.

So the choice to move BvS to March 26 is just not the big deal you guys are making it out to be. Believe me, Marvel's glad, too. Now these two movies that everyone will go see won't cannibalize each other's ticket sales. Both movies' opening weekends would underperform as a result. It's pointless.

DC is being held to an invisible higher standard than Marvel is, which is bullshit. Iron Man 3 made buckets of money in spite of being a pretty lame flick. Neither sequel matched the evenness of the first movie. Right now Marvel is a brand, and a bandwagon, and you're jumping on it because you want to be with "the cool kids." If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

Both DC and Marvel each have two $1B films: The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises and Avengers/Iron Man 3. Marvel has made more movies and successfully fashioned a shared onscreen universe, which is great. If DC had done it first, would people talk shit about Marvel? Probably not. Either way, nothing Marvel has done so far has matched the awesomeness of The Dark Knight.

If May-August are the best months to release blockbuster films, why do The Hobbit films come out in December? The first one made more than 1B and Smaug is almost there. Why did Sony's ASM2 open to only $137M leading in from the July 4th holiday — Tuesday, July 3, rather — all the way through Sunday?

Cool your jets, dude. You're spinning your wheels.

What I liked about this post:

[verslibre]

Correction to the last item in my post above: it's ASM that opened on 7/3.

ASM2 opened May 4. It earned 91.6M its opening weekend and total domestic was only 202.6M. They expected this movie to do double that in the States. However, foreign sales added up to $500M, which the Sony execs no doubt used to dry the sweat on their brows.

[Monker]

If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

That is alternate reality, fictional, bullshit. It was a hit simply because the promos showed that it was going to be a fun scifi ride of a movie...that is a rarity in today's world, it seems. IMO, it will continue to ride on the steam of enthusiasm that the first week generated because it is even better then some people expected.

Any major studio could have released this, promoted it the same, and had the same results. If you want to tie it into the DC vs Mavel thing, IMO it also earned interest because it was not your stereotypical "superhero" comic to big screen movie. As I have said, many people are getting tired of it.

Both DC and Marvel each have two $1B films: The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises and Avengers/Iron Man 3. Marvel has made more movies and successfully fashioned a shared onscreen universe, which is great. If DC had done it first, would people talk shit about Marvel? Probably not. Either way, nothing Marvel has done so far has matched the awesomeness of The Dark Knight.

I disagree...if Marvel did their own thing and not worried about all of the critique, they would still be right where they are right now...because their characters are better off in a team and their vision is MUCH wider than DC's.

If May-August are the best months to release blockbuster films, why do The Hobbit films come out in December? The first one made more than 1B and Smaug is almost there. Why did Sony's ASM2 open to only $137M leading in from the July 4th holiday — Tuesday, July 3, rather — all the way through Sunday?

Well, I said BOTH summer and holiday season are when most people movies.

[RedWingFan]

If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

This is hilarious. Now you're making excuses why Marvel movies make so much money. Can you run back through those excuses why MOS fell off a cliff after opening weekend and why, after the second week disaster, almost 30% of theaters bailed? Remember, Monsters U, WWZ, etc. Good thing big movies never open after any Marvel releases like TMNT. Maybe we can just say that another reason it crashed was that MOS wasn't a MCU production?

[verslibre]

If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

That is alternate reality, fictional, bullshit. It was a hit simply because the promos showed that it was going to be a fun scifi ride of a movie...that is a rarity in today's world, it seems. IMO, it will continue to ride on the steam of enthusiasm that the first week generated because it is even better then some people expected.

So you watched it and liked it? Your buddy TNC didn't dig it.

Any major studio could have released this, promoted it the same, and had the same results.

You don't know that. And you have no algorithm or scientific formula or hidden evil underground laboratory at the bottom of an abandoned missile silo to prove it.

If you want to tie it into the DC vs Mavel thing, IMO it also earned interest because it was not your stereotypical "superhero" comic to big screen movie. As I have said, many people are getting tired of it.

Are you going to say that when Avengers 2, BvS and X-Men: Age of Apocalypse suck in dollars like a black hole?

Both DC and Marvel each have two $1B films: The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises and Avengers/Iron Man 3. Marvel has made more movies and successfully fashioned a shared onscreen universe, which is great. If DC had done it first, would people talk shit about Marvel? Probably not. Either way, nothing Marvel has done so far has matched the awesomeness of The Dark Knight.

I disagree...if Marvel did their own thing and not worried about all of the critique, they would still be right where they are right now...because their characters are better off in a team and their vision is MUCH wider than DC's.

They will continue to make solo films. Team films will be used to stage larger conflicts and finales. Guardians features characters they will tie in to the Infinity Gauntlet, but those aren't characters they'd commit to solo films. Like I told you before, those characters are all re-tooled versions (or "reboots" if you like that term) of older characters that appeared at different times in different comics. Otherwise Groot would be eight stories tall.

Well, I said BOTH summer and holiday season are when most people movies.

So by your logic, 88-92% of moviegoers are going to avoid the theaters on March 26, 2016 because it doesn't fall on a major holiday? Get off it, bro.

[verslibre]

If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

This is hilarious. Now you're making excuses why Marvel movies make so much money. Can you run back through those excuses why MOS fell off a cliff after opening weekend and why, after the second week disaster, almost 30% of theaters bailed? Remember, Monsters U, WWZ, etc. Good thing big movies never open after any Marvel releases like TMNT. Maybe we can just say that another reason it crashed was that MOS wasn't a MCU production?

That's the difference between your two sanchos and you and me. I don't need to make excuses. If you guys are too dense or stubborn to get what I'm saying, don't get bent. Marvel is a brand like DC is a brand. That's just a fact. Citing TMNT is a weak aside because that movie's been cursed ever since the first trailer hit. To top it all off, you continue to repeat "MoS failed" like it's some kind of mantra. Stop gripping your weewee and get help.

[YoungJRNYfan]

As I have said, many people are getting tired of it.

Lmao, I would like to know who? Who is "many people" and what are they getting tired of? The comic book; superhero movie genre is at its all-time peek right now and showing absolutely NO signs of slowing down in the slightest. Even flicks labeled as disappointments like TASM2 top $700+ mil for the industry. These movies are making killings. Every single one of them.

The DC v Marvel (see what I did there ) is fucking retarded and pointless and only exists in the minds of fanboy pissing contests. The better ANY superhero movie does, whether it be DC or Marvel, two brands that the general audience's could not tell two-shits difference about, helps one another. They are all apart of the same genre and with great success from either/or studio or superhero flick will better the other. The demand for superhero movies is insane and shows no signs of even nudging the nearest break.

Marvel is well ahead and it doesn't make one difference. No one is disputing that. They exist as a studio that banks on nothing but their superhero properties while DC characters are owned by Warner Bros, a studio that doesn't need, in the slightest, to showcase their superhero franchise's as their norm but they are making that jump and have committed to DC movies all the way up to 2020.

...because their characters are better off in a team and their vision is MUCH wider than DC's.

LOL, again, how do you know this? How do you know Marvel characters are better in a team when DC is just beginning their shared universe with undeniably the worlds most recognizable and most popular fictional characters that have ever existed in pop-culture phenomena in their respected entertainment? Your dull statement above makes entirely no sense whatsoever and holds no water because quite frankly, we haven't seen anything from DC. They are LITERALLY one movie into their new interconnected franchise (MoS.)You're blowing smoke up your own tailpipe with these inaccurate opinions because you're speaking of something that hasn't happened yet.

I don't care how successful Marvel movies are (and as FIERCELY OVERRATED they are all in the same breath, mind you) I don't want DC to be more of the same. If there was no distinction between being the alternative to the genre and competition, I'd be OUT by now. Marvel has some gems, but every single movie they've finished thus far looks, feels and acts EXACTLY the same. Good for them and good for their fans.

DC needs to go and establish their franchise's in a completely different context and tone. They need to be the furthest thing FROM what Marvel is doing and their respected tone could branch off into similar, if not better, success and it will do NOTHING but strengthen the longevity of these comic books movies. I'm tired of Marvel V DC. It's dumb and pointless. I don't want DC to be Marvel.If they rode the same formula in how their flicks were made, again, I'd be out. I don't want to see the same shit over and over. Marvel got their audience and they know what works for them. Judging by TDKTrilogy and Man of Steel, Warner is now convinced what works for them and are riding it out and I love it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Right now Marvel is a brand, and a bandwagon, and you're jumping on it because you want to be with "the cool kids."

Bullshit. I disliked Guardians and said so after seeing it opening night (which surprised me, as all of James Gunn's movies has been great). I actually liked MOS much better.

If May-August are the best months to release blockbuster films, why do The Hobbit films come out in December?[/b]

Most people I know hate The Hobbit movies and think Peter Jackson has become a parody of himself at this point. They should prolly just dump the third one straight to redbox.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's the difference between your two sanchos and you and me. I don't need to make excuses.

Pretty much everything I read out of you is an excuse for MOS's financial/creative mediocrity or spin as to why DC/WB is clearly following popular trends and just making shit up as they go along.

[verslibre]

Right now Marvel is a brand, and a bandwagon, and you're jumping on it because you want to be with "the cool kids."

Bullshit. I disliked Guardians and said so after seeing it opening night (which surprised me, as all of James Gunn's movies has been great). I actually liked MOS much better.

Well, cool. Your positive remarks about that film are few and far between, so it's refreshing to hear that amid these roiling seas.

If May-August are the best months to release blockbuster films, why do The Hobbit films come out in December?[/b]

Most people I know hate The Hobbit movies and think Peter Jackson has become a parody of himself at this point. They should prolly just dump the third one straight to redbox.[/quote]

An Unexpected Journey was too long. A lot of space was filled. A lot of stretching akin to putty or a rubber band.

The Desolation of Smaug was a huge improvement, though. That's a great movie and I'm really looking forward to The Battle of Five Armies. I'm liking the dwarves' quest a lot more than the mission to dump the ring back in the lava, especially when Gandalf could have summoned the eagles to give the hobbits a lift in the first place — they didn't seem to be deterred by extreme heat.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The Desolation of Smaug was a huge improvement, though. That's a great movie and I'm really looking forward to The Battle of Five Armies. I'm liking the dwarves' quest a lot more than the mission to dump the ring back in the lava, especially when Gandalf could have summoned the eagles to give the hobbits a lift in the first place — they didn't seem to be deterred by extreme heat.

I dunno, man, the whole dwarf/elf love story subplot? Talk about needless padding. I think Ridley Scott could have delivered a lean and mean Hobbit movie covering the entire book in under 2 hours.

[verslibre]

That's the difference between your two sanchos and you and me. I don't need to make excuses.

Pretty much everything I read out of you is an excuse for MOS's financial/creative mediocrity or spin as to why DC/WB is clearly following popular trends and just making shit up as they go along.

Creative mediocrity? Do you like the movie or not? Geez.

Are they making shit up as they go along? They've been trying to get a team going for ages, but certain forces keep derailing it. They had a script by Akiva Goldsman 15 years ago that involved a really mean Batman, like Punisher-mean, on a bad streak after the Joker offs his fiancé — and they send in Superman to stop him. That's not the only attempt to do a World's Finest or League movie (it's almost at urban legend proportions), but AFAIK that was going to be a real attempt at gritty before Nolan's movies, no campy shit.

[YoungJRNYfan]

If Guardians wasn't a MCU production it would've made 30 million dollars this last weekend.

This is hilarious. Now you're making excuses why Marvel movies make so much money. Can you run back through those excuses why MOS fell off a cliff after opening weekend and why, after the second week disaster, almost 30% of theaters bailed? Remember, Monsters U, WWZ, etc. Good thing big movies never open after any Marvel releases like TMNT. Maybe we can just say that another reason it crashed was that MOS wasn't a MCU production?

That's the difference between your two sanchos and you and me. I don't need to make excuses. If you guys are too dense or stubborn to get what I'm saying, don't get bent. Marvel is a brand like DC is a brand. That's just a fact. Citing TMNT is a weak aside because that movie's been cursed ever since the first trailer hit. To top it all off, you continue to repeat "MoS failed" like it's some kind of mantra. Stop gripping your weewee and get help.

RWF is continuing to try and do everything in his power to convince a moot point. I'm completely happy with Man of Steel's earnings. There can't be excuses over something I look at as a successful outing at the box office. Could Man of Steel have done better? Absolutely. Was money left off the table? Yes. Were many factors from both sides of the argument involved? You bet. Was MoS a perfect movie? Absolutely not and that's fine with me.

In many ways, Warner Bro's/Snyder/Goyer/DC,etc were dipping their toes into uncharted territory with Man of Steel. It reeked of high controversial decisions (which they knew would cause a stir) and there was no telling what the reaction was going to be. Even in the midst of criticism, WB/DC is owning it and they will continue to own it.

Man of Steel CAN be improved on but lets not act like it got nothing right. If anything, MoS made a impression because of the things they did get CRAZY right. That's the point and the point of the journey ahead. Building on what worked and eliminate the things that didn't while still staying true to the vision.

Even with all the obvious shit that no longer matters like the second big week drop-off (like basically the majority of blockbusters experience nowadays) Man of Steel's numbers, with all things considered when it comes to the Superman movie franchise, was and is a SUCCESS. That's all that matters. We are not only getting a sequel from the events of MoS, but also a kickstart to Superman/Batman sharing the same screen together for the first time EVER. It's what EVERYBODY wanted and has ever wanted when it comes to the two most iconic superheroes of ALL time. How could fans not love this shit? Goddamn it's impossible not to love this.

[verslibre]

The Desolation of Smaug was a huge improvement, though. That's a great movie and I'm really looking forward to The Battle of Five Armies. I'm liking the dwarves' quest a lot more than the mission to dump the ring back in the lava, especially when Gandalf could have summoned the eagles to give the hobbits a lift in the first place — they didn't seem to be deterred by extreme heat.

I dunno, man, the whole dwarf/elf love story subplot? Talk about needless padding. I think Ridley Scott could have delivered a lean and mean Hobbit movie covering the entire book in under 2 hours.

Jackson's incorporated elements from the Silmarillion and the Appendices. The elf-dwarf thing is kind of funny, but Tauriel is an invention for these movies, anyway. What I didn't like about Journey was the LotR1 ending and the simple fact that I had to wait till the second movie to get to Smaug. That's really what it's all about, too. I liked Beorn and Bard and Lake-town and all that, too. It was a much tighter film than the first.

Ridley needs to make up for half of Prometheus before he fudges with dwarves, elves, orcs and the like!