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Postby AlteredDNA » Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:47 am

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7 Wishes wrote:The events and policies that have pushed deficits to these high levels in the near term were outside the new Administration’s control. If not for the tax cuts (forced through via reconciliation by the Republican-controlled Congress) enacted during the presidency of George W. Bush that Congress did not pay for, the Medicare Act of 2003 (which has cost seniors money), the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that were initiated during that period, and the effects of the worst economic slump since the Great Depression (including the cost of steps necessary to combat it), we would not be facing these huge deficits in the near term.

Just two of the many ill-advised and poorly-concieved, Republican Congressional reoncilation-forced policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for almost $7 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019, including the associated debt-service costs. These impacts easily dwarf the stimulus and financial rescues. Furthermore, unlike those temporary costs, these inherited policies (especially the tax cuts and the drug benefit) do not fade away as the economy recovers.

Would you be so good as to post a link to whoever wrote this? I notice you have flawless punctuation here Professor Jones.


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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:27 am

RedWingFan wrote:Would you be so good as to post a link to whoever wrote this? I notice you have flawless punctuation here Professor Jones.


That joke is getting pretty lame, LimbaughFan. Have fun at your Tea Party Jerk Circle tonight.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:28 am

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Who gives a flying crap where the numbers came from? There's no gotcha here. Doesn't matter to me in the slightest who's responsible. BFD.


The blame has been shifted far too much to Obama. He came into office with a $1.3 trillion debt. A vast majority of this mess is Bush's fault.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:37 am

conversationpc wrote:Read it and weep...

The new federal health-care law has raised the stakes for hospitals and schools already scrambling to train more doctors.

Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges.

That shortfall is predicted despite a push by teaching hospitals and medical schools to boost the number of U.S. doctors, which now totals about 954,000.

The greatest demand will be for primary-care physicians. These general practitioners, internists, family physicians and pediatricians will have a larger role under the new law, coordinating care for each patient.

The U.S. has 352,908 primary-care doctors now, and the college association estimates that 45,000 more will be needed by 2020. But the number of medical-school students entering family medicine fell more than a quarter between 2002 and 2007.

A shortage of primary-care and other physicians could mean more-limited access to health care and longer wait times for patients.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... NewsSecond



Let me get this straight. You say "Read it and weep." An article about a shortage of doctors because well, 32 million Americans are eligible to be seen by a doctor. Yet you seem to enjoy the fact that we will have a shortage of doctors. This is a good problem, and one that will be an easy fix. A combination of loan forgiveness, lower repayment rates and the like, will quickly close that gap. Also, we will bring in qualified doctors from other parts of the world.

You seem to glowing with pride that Health Care reform hit a snag. This proves to me even further, that it is a good if not great bill. On the contrary side of things, you huff and puff and say we will have shortages, as if to say "told you so, we shouldn't have expanded covereage for 32 million more Americans." The only problem with this bill is it didn't go far enough. You're lucky I am not president. I would have EVERY American covered and also had the public option in there too. Obama didn't do enough if you ask me.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:42 am

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conversationpc wrote:Read it and weep...

The new federal health-care law has raised the stakes for hospitals and schools already scrambling to train more doctors.

Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges.

That shortfall is predicted despite a push by teaching hospitals and medical schools to boost the number of U.S. doctors, which now totals about 954,000.

The greatest demand will be for primary-care physicians. These general practitioners, internists, family physicians and pediatricians will have a larger role under the new law, coordinating care for each patient.

The U.S. has 352,908 primary-care doctors now, and the college association estimates that 45,000 more will be needed by 2020. But the number of medical-school students entering family medicine fell more than a quarter between 2002 and 2007.

A shortage of primary-care and other physicians could mean more-limited access to health care and longer wait times for patients.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... NewsSecond



Let me get this straight. You say "Read it and weep." An article about a shortage of doctors because well, 32 million Americans are eligible to be seen by a doctor. Yet you seem to enjoy the fact that we will have a shortage of doctors. This is a good problem, and one that will be an easy fix. A combination of loan forgiveness, lower repayment rates and the like, will quickly close that gap. Also, we will bring in qualified doctors from other parts of the world.

You seem to glowing with pride that Health Care reform hit a snag. This proves to me even further, that it is a good if not great bill. On the contrary side of things, you huff and puff and say we will have shortages, as if to say "told you so, we shouldn't have expanded covereage for 32 million more Americans." The only problem with this bill is it didn't go far enough. You're lucky I am not president. I would have EVERY American covered and also had the public option in there too. Obama didn't do enough if you ask me.


When I say "read it and weep" in this case, I'm not gloating. I mean we really should weep. This is not good news.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:44 am

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RedWingFan wrote:Would you be so good as to post a link to whoever wrote this? I notice you have flawless punctuation here Professor Jones.


That joke is getting pretty lame, LimbaughFan. Have fun at your Tea Party Jerk Circle tonight.


Speaking of the Tea Party...Check this story out about lefty losers infiltrating that movement...

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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:31 am

7 Wishes wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Would you be so good as to post a link to whoever wrote this? I notice you have flawless punctuation here Professor Jones.


That joke is getting pretty lame, LimbaughFan. Have fun at your Tea Party Jerk Circle tonight.


Was Professor Jones ever caught Plagiarizing like you?
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:51 am

Dave, it's just ridiculous to believe anything less than 95% of the hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole doesn't come from right-wing whacked-out nutjobs who make RFW seem like Roosevelt.

Nothing different than the left-wing ALCU loonies who harp about prisoners' rights and the PETA terrorists - just the other side of the same coin.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:16 am

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Was Professor Jones ever caught Plagiarizing like you?


Wow, you are a major league dipshit. I forgot to provide a link.

At least I have an original thought from time to time. You and Lie Paster haven't provided one new insight into this discourse since this board has existed.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:09 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
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Was Professor Jones ever caught Plagiarizing like you?


Wow, you are a major league dipshit. I forgot to provide a link.

Yeah, forgot...for the umpteenth time after being asked by numerous people on many different occasions to provide some kind of source. You not only forgot to provide a link, but you also forgot to add quotation marks or the true author's name.
Boy, you looked real smart there for a minute. :roll:

For all the copy and pasting criticism you hurl at Fact Finder, he always provides a source and or quotes it properly. Maybe you're just suffering from "dumb jock complex"? :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:53 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Dave, it's just ridiculous to believe anything less than 95% of the hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole doesn't come from right-wing whacked-out nutjobs who make RFW seem like Roosevelt.


Most of the Tea Party folks are decent, hard-working Americans, just like most in movements on the other side are. There's very little "hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole" coming from the Tea Party and much of that is now obviously from people who disagree with them and have planted themselves in the organization in an attempt to make them appear that way. It's hardly an honest picture that we're getting from the media on these people.

Not only that but it's also pretty telling that there've been extremely few, if any, arrests at these protests and the few claims of racist comments haven't been able to be substantiated. In fact, the claims of racist comments made at the protests during the healthcare vote have never been backed up even with offers of rewards for those with video and/or audio recordings of the alleged comments.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:55 pm

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7 Wishes wrote:Dave, it's just ridiculous to believe anything less than 95% of the hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole doesn't come from right-wing whacked-out nutjobs who make RFW seem like Roosevelt.


Most of the Tea Party folks are decent, hard-working Americans, just like most in movements on the other side are. There's very little "hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole" coming from the Tea Party
and much of that is now obviously from people who disagree with them and have planted themselves in the organization in an attempt to make them appear that way. It's hardly an honest picture that we're getting from the media on these people.

Not only that but it's also pretty telling that there've been extremely few, if any, arrests at these protests and the few claims of racist comments haven't been able to be substantiated. In fact, the claims of racist comments made at the protests during the healthcare vote have never been backed up even with offers of rewards for those with video and/or audio recordings of the alleged comments.


Dude, stop hiding behind the Bible. The Tea party is full of hate, and racists. Calling black Congressmen "niggers" on tape and feeling proud to be an American. .. :roll: All you do is embarrass America. I don't know why you Tea Party Cons continue to hide? Most Cons are racist. And when grouped together, in a small army, a few get brave, and yell what most are thinking. I laugh out loud when they show Tea party protests..never see a person of color or different nationality. It's so obvious. Just do it already. You're flat out racist hatemongers, who obviously cannot stand a Nigger in the White House. It's comical to view you losers. Notice I didn't put Nigger in quotes, as I am not hiding what it is you want to say. Deplorable fucking people.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:09 am

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conversationpc wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:Dave, it's just ridiculous to believe anything less than 95% of the hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole doesn't come from right-wing whacked-out nutjobs who make RFW seem like Roosevelt.


Most of the Tea Party folks are decent, hard-working Americans, just like most in movements on the other side are. There's very little "hateful, profanity-laced, bigoted hyperbole" coming from the Tea Party
and much of that is now obviously from people who disagree with them and have planted themselves in the organization in an attempt to make them appear that way. It's hardly an honest picture that we're getting from the media on these people.

Not only that but it's also pretty telling that there've been extremely few, if any, arrests at these protests and the few claims of racist comments haven't been able to be substantiated. In fact, the claims of racist comments made at the protests during the healthcare vote have never been backed up even with offers of rewards for those with video and/or audio recordings of the alleged comments.


Dude, stop hiding behind the Bible. The Tea party is full of hate, and racists. Calling black Congressmen "niggers" on tape and feeling proud to be an American. .. :roll: All you do is embarrass America. I don't know why you Tea Party Cons continue to hide? Most Cons are racist. And when grouped together, in a small army, a few get brave, and yell what most are thinking. I laugh out loud when they show Tea party protests..never see a person of color or different nationality. It's so obvious. Just do it already. You're flat out racist hatemongers, who obviously cannot stand a Nigger in the White House. It's comical to view you losers. Notice I didn't put Nigger in quotes, as I am not hiding what it is you want to say. Deplorable fucking people.


Nigga, please.

The left lives off of and indeed wants the concept of racism, particularly white on black racism, to continue to flourish in the year two thousand and ten. It's big business and sound politics to allow it to do so.

Now, if you're on the right and criticize Obama, you're a nigger hating racist. If you're a black and you criticize Obama, you're an Uncle Tom.

It's embarrassing to me that in the year 2010, when we have a half-black (half white) president, a black chairman of the RNC, black lawyers, black doctors, black congressmen, black Supreme Court justices, affirmative action, black athletes worshipped at every turn, and complete black dominance of the music charts, the left continues to play the race card.

I'm not denying racism, as it certainly exists and it goes both ways (black on white too and many other colors). But, you people want to give it more power than even some of the most dyed-in-the-wool skinheads. You're just as bad as the Imperial Grand Wizard in that respect.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:45 am

Rockindeano wrote:Dude, stop hiding behind the Bible.


What's the Bible have anything to do with this???

The Tea party is full of hate, and racists.


Bullcrap. However, just like ANY movement (including ones with lefties like yourself) there will ALWAYS be a bigot or two.

Calling black Congressmen "niggers" on tape and feeling proud to be an American. .. :roll:


Where is this on tape? Last I heard, no one had stepped forward to show that this had really happened. If it did, knowing now that lefty losers are infiltrating the group and planning on doing this kind of thing, how would we even know if it was done by a "legitimate" Tea Party member and not some anti-American scumbag?

All you do is embarrass America. I don't know why you Tea Party Cons continue to hide?


I've never attended a Tea Party and don't plan on ever attending one. Next!

Most Cons are racist.


Your race baiting and race card are way overused. Take a long look in the mirror, pal.

never see a person of color or different nationality. It's so obvious.


79% of Tea Party members are white. 75% of the general population is white. Do the math. It's almost the same percentage, you myrmidon.

You're flat out racist hatemongers, who obviously cannot stand a Nigger in the White House.


:shock: You're calling conservatives racist and then you drop this nugget and twice in your post, for that matter? Unbelievable.
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Postby Lula » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:24 am

the use of the n word is on voice mail recordings. the spitting on rep cleaver has been shown. the movement is almost comical. it sure took a long time to come out and protest big government. seems to me there was a huge growth in gov during the previous admin. i like seeing people get involved and voice their opinions, concerns, etc... just seems the cons/tea baggers are not real clear on the meaning of debate.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:34 am

Lula wrote:the use of the n word is on voice mail recordings.


If it's voicemail, how the heck do we even know if it was a legitimate member of the Tea Party movement? As I showed in my blog post, there are liberals who've said they are infiltrating and doing things like this to show the Tea Party in a bad light.

seems to me there was a huge growth in gov during the previous admin.


That's a moot point. No one disagrees with that statement and it really has nothing to do with this debate.

i like seeing people get involved and voice their opinions, concerns, etc... just seems the cons/tea baggers are not real clear on the meaning of debate.


Until recently, I had pretty much the same opinion of those in this movement but now with the stuff I've discovered, there's no way that I can't question how they're being portrayed in the media.
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Postby slucero » Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:08 am

A recent NY Times poll of Tea Party members...

interesting...



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Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated
By KATE ZERNIKE and MEGAN THEE-BRENAN


Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”

And while most Republicans say they are “dissatisfied” with Washington, Tea Party supporters are more likely to classify themselves as “angry.”

The Tea Party movement burst onto the scene a year ago in protest of the economic stimulus package, and its supporters have vowed to purge the Republican Party of officials they consider not sufficiently conservative and to block the Democratic agenda on the economy, the environment and health care. But the demographics and attitudes of those in the movement have been known largely anecdotally. The Times/CBS poll offers a detailed look at the profile and attitudes of those supporters.

Their responses are like the general public’s in many ways. Most describe the amount they paid in taxes this year as “fair.” Most send their children to public schools. A plurality do not think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and, despite their push for smaller government, they think that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost to taxpayers. They actually are just as likely as Americans as a whole to have returned their census forms, though some conservative leaders have urged a boycott.

Tea Party supporters’ fierce animosity toward Washington, and the president in particular, is rooted in deep pessimism about the direction of the country and the conviction that the policies of the Obama administration are disproportionately directed at helping the poor rather than the middle class or the rich.

The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.

They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people.

Asked what they are angry about, Tea Party supporters offered three main concerns: the recent health care overhaul, government spending and a feeling that their opinions are not represented in Washington.

“The only way they will stop the spending is to have a revolt on their hands,” Elwin Thrasher, a 66-year-old semiretired lawyer in Florida, said in an interview after the poll. “I’m sick and tired of them wasting money and doing what our founders never intended to be done with the federal government.”

They are far more pessimistic than Americans in general about the economy. More than 90 percent of Tea Party supporters think the country is headed in the wrong direction, compared with about 60 percent of the general public. About 6 in 10 say “America’s best years are behind us” when it comes to the availability of good jobs for American workers.

Nearly 9 in 10 disapprove of the job Mr. Obama is doing over all, and about the same percentage fault his handling of major issues: health care, the economy and the federal budget deficit. Ninety-two percent believe Mr. Obama is moving the country toward socialism, an opinion shared by more than half of the general public.

“I just feel he’s getting away from what America is,” said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, a retired medical transcriber in Jacksonville. “He’s a socialist. And to tell you the truth, I think he’s a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don’t care what he says. He’s been in office over a year and can’t find a church to go to. That doesn’t say much for him.”

The nationwide telephone poll was conducted April 5 through April 12 with 1,580 adults. For the purposes of analysis, Tea Party supporters were oversampled, for a total of 881, and then weighted to their proper proportion in the poll. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for all adults and for Tea Party supporters.

Of the 18 percent of Americans who identified themselves as supporters, 20 percent, or 4 percent of the general public, said they had given money or attended a Tea Party event, or both. These activists were more likely than supporters generally to describe themselves as very conservative and had more negative views about the economy and Mr. Obama. They were more angry with Washington and intense in their desires for a smaller federal government and deficit.

Tea Party supporters over all are more likely than the general public to say their personal financial situation is fairly good or very good. But 55 percent are concerned that someone in their household will be out of a job in the next year. And more than two-thirds say the recession has been difficult or caused hardship and major life changes. Like most Americans, they think the most pressing problems facing the country today are the economy and jobs.

But while most Americans blame the Bush administration or Wall Street for the current state of the American economy, the greatest number of Tea Party supporters blame Congress.

They do not want a third party and say they usually or almost always vote Republican. The percentage holding a favorable opinion of former President George W. Bush, at 57 percent, almost exactly matches the percentage in the general public that holds an unfavorable view of him.

Dee Close, a 47-year-old homemaker in Memphis, said she was worried about a “drift” in the country. “Over the last three or four years, I’ve realized how immense that drift has been away from what made this country great,” Ms. Close said.

Yet while the Tea Party supporters are more conservative than Republicans on some social issues, they do not want to focus on those issues: about 8 in 10 say that they are more concerned with economic issues, as is the general public.

When talking about the Tea Party movement, the largest number of respondents said that the movement’s goal should be reducing the size of government, more than cutting the budget deficit or lowering taxes.

And nearly three-quarters of those who favor smaller government said they would prefer it even if it meant spending on domestic programs would be cut.

But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

Marjorie Connelly, Dalia Sussman and Marina Stefan contributed reporting.



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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:37 am

Lula wrote:the use of the n word is on voice mail recordings.

Are you sure that wasn't good decent lib Alec Baldwin's voice mail to his daughter? I know you're not a lawyer but an untraced voicemail isn't exactly hard evidence much less slightly reliable. :roll:

Lula wrote:the spitting on rep cleaver has been shown.

You mean that guy cupping his hands around his mouth and shouting? I don't watch Olbermann to see if he or anybody else on MSNBC used CGI to add a meteoric loogie! :lol:

Lula wrote:the movement is almost comical.

We'll see how comical it is in November. My guess it'll have been more effective over the past year than the public school system has been in the last 50 years.

Lula wrote:i like seeing people get involved and voice their opinions, concerns, etc... just seems the cons/tea baggers are not real clear on the meaning of debate.

Why do they have to be "tea baggers" Lula? The people attending the tea party's know that what this administration is doing is trashing the Constitution and individual rights. I hope you don't spew your skewed views in your classroom. I know all too well what goes on in most schools though.
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Postby Lula » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:55 am

rwf, i teach middle school in downtown los angeles, not a platform for any individual's agenda. i am a professional and do my job to the best of my ability.

the voice mails seem legit as does the you tubes of the spitting. don't confuse those incidents with the bullet through the office window, er the next door office, er it wasn't a bullet, er......... :roll:

i say tea baggers cuz that's what they call themselves.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:17 am

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


This says it all, and contradicts the article's assertion that the Tea Baggers are "well-educated". They're uniformly hypocritical - they want theirs, and don't want anything "taken away," but don't want other people having the same opportunities to get what they have.

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:26 am

7 Wishes wrote:Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


This says it all, and contradicts the article's assertion that the Tea Baggers are "well-educated". They're uniformly hypocritical - they want theirs, and don't want anything "taken away," but don't want other people having the same opportunities to get what they have.

Most Tea Baggers aren't true conservatives - they're self-serving idiots.


The same could be said of liberals...they want theirs...and they want to take from others to get it...if you are going to paint with a broad brush...
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:43 am

You're right, if you're talking about the far-left acolytes. Although the missing common element is compassion - a trait which the Tea Baggesr are completely without.
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Postby Monker » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:45 am

7 Wishes wrote:Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


This says it all, and contradicts the article's assertion that the Tea Baggers are "well-educated". They're uniformly hypocritical - they want theirs, and don't want anything "taken away," but don't want other people having the same opportunities to get what they have.

Most Tea Baggers aren't true conservatives - they're self-serving idiots.


It also shows how ignorant everybody is....since your FICA tax pays for TODAY's retirees...it's not stuck in some mattress and being saves for YOU. That is why the Baby Boomers are going to be hard to pay for...there will not be as many workers to pay for their benefits.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:48 am

Monker wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


This says it all, and contradicts the article's assertion that the Tea Baggers are "well-educated". They're uniformly hypocritical - they want theirs, and don't want anything "taken away," but don't want other people having the same opportunities to get what they have.

Most Tea Baggers aren't true conservatives - they're self-serving idiots.


It also shows how ignorant everybody is....since your FICA tax pays for TODAY's retirees...it's not stuck in some mattress and being saves for YOU. That is why the Baby Boomers are going to be hard to pay for...there will not be as many workers to pay for their benefits.


It also explains why the government prosecutes Ponzi schemes...they don't want anyone honing in on their action! :wink:
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Postby Monker » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:57 am

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Monker wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


This says it all, and contradicts the article's assertion that the Tea Baggers are "well-educated". They're uniformly hypocritical - they want theirs, and don't want anything "taken away," but don't want other people having the same opportunities to get what they have.

Most Tea Baggers aren't true conservatives - they're self-serving idiots.


It also shows how ignorant everybody is....since your FICA tax pays for TODAY's retirees...it's not stuck in some mattress and being saves for YOU. That is why the Baby Boomers are going to be hard to pay for...there will not be as many workers to pay for their benefits.


It also explains why the government prosecutes Ponzi schemes...they don't want anyone honing in on their action! :wink:


It's not a Ponzi scheme. It's a pansy scheme...the pansy politicians are too afraid to take on seniors and tell them that if you make enough income to not need social security then it is unfair to ask today's workers to pad your already comfortable lifestyle. Social Security is NOT a 401k.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:09 pm

Lula wrote:i say tea baggers cuz that's what they call themselves.

No they don't. That's what the supposed main stream media call them, along with the Obama excusers on this board.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:17 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”


This says it all, and contradicts the article's assertion that the Tea Baggers are "well-educated". They're uniformly hypocritical - they want theirs, and don't want anything "taken away," but don't want other people having the same opportunities to get what they have.

Most Tea Baggers aren't true conservatives - they're self-serving idiots.


Huh, go figure Professor Jones. Seniors expect (as they rightfully should) for the Government to come through with the promises they made since that lying sack of crap FDR started this crap in the 40's by lying out of both sides of his mouth...
Yet the seniors feel guilty about living off the backs of their grandchildren who may or may not be in the work force yet!

What these seniors are conflicted with are the lies from the first big government liberal (and Obama's idol I might add)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt!!!! If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'd be happy to educate you, you uneducated self-serving idiot!
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:34 pm

First of all, you arrogant, limp-dicked little closet neo-Nazi...enough of your bullshit.

You would be speaking German (albeit with a southern drawl and poor dialect) if it weren't for FDR.

Secondly, I would gladly match my wit and intellect against yours. How long did it take you to get your GED, and how many assholes did you have to lube and penetrate to obtain it? You are, without a doubt, the most ignorant human being I have ever encountered.

It is YOU who are a self-serving troglodyte. The proof is in everything you say and believe.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:02 pm

RWF...I mean, Lipschitz...the main problem with having your head up your ass is that there aren't any brain cells in the colon.

Therefore, the ability to think and reason is completely lost.

You would be assuaged were Obama not a black man. However, he is. That's the root cause of 95% of the anti-Obama vitriol. Middle-aged white men don't like taking orders from black men.

Most people with the ability to think for themselves know that Obama's presidency has been decidedly moderate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/obama-vs-obama_b_460354.html
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Postby Monker » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:16 pm

RedWingFan wrote:Yet the seniors feel guilty about living off the backs of their grandchildren who may or may not be in the work force yet!


That's an outright lie. They feel entitled to a check because they paid into. There is no guilty feeling. If that were true the AARP would not fight against cutting benefits for those not in need.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'd be happy to educate you, you uneducated self-serving idiot!


Yes, prove that seniors feel guilty about receiving $'s from today's workers. That is just made up BS.
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