President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[donnaplease]

Heading doesn't look like it's too unbiased...

The heading, "Factcheck.org", somehow implies bias?

Actually, this is what I was referring to:

Did the new health care law give Obama a Nazi-like "private army" of 6,000 people?

IMO, any time there's language like that, it's not an open-minded piece.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually, this is what I was referring to:

Did the new health care law give Obama a Nazi-like "private army" of 6,000 people?

IMO, any time there's language like that, it's not an open-minded piece.

Umm, that inflamatory language comes straight out of the right wing spam email being debunked. That is not editorializing on the part of FactCheck.org
You're too much. Right wing junkyard attack dogs are stopping at nothing to paint Obama as the second coming of Vlad the Impaler, and you're offended by FactCheck quoting properly.
I've tried my best to give you the info you're looking for. Seems you won't be satisifed until you call El Rushbo on open lines friday and he tells you what you want to hear.

Quoted from the chain email -

"Notice how much these Hitler youth type young men talk about health care!....Obama just got his private army...Whew, Nazi Germany all over again and it is happening right before our eyes, and right under our noses."

http://factcheck.org/2010/04/obamas-private-army/

[The Sushi Hunter]

Anybody know anything about the passage in the HC bill about pulling healthcare workers into some kind of 'corps' to be used in addition to the military at time of need? I saw a tidbit about this yesterday on my way out the door, but don't know much else about it.

Obviously, as a nurse I'd like to be more informed of what may be asked of me.

Another right-wing machination and nothing else.

At this point we don't know who said it or if it was even said at all. For all anyone at this point knows it could have been brought up by a inquiring reporter. Donnaplease didn't even see the entire thing, just a tidbit as she herself has stated.

So you have rushed to judgement 7 wishes. Is that something you always do?

[The_Noble_Cause]

At this point we don't know who said it or if it was even said at all.

It was on (what else) Glenn Beck a few days ago. All the blogs were talking about it. 7 is correct.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Do you think Steve Perry shares the same political beliefs as some of his fans?

[7 Wishes]

Very unlikely when it comes to THIS forum. Pretty much every musician this side of Uncle Ted leans somewhat or very far to the left.

At least that lunatic Jon Voigt is on your side.

[7 Wishes]

So you have rushed to judgement 7 wishes. Is that something you always do?

I think every idiot who actually believed this tripe was rushing to judgment. If Rush told half his dittohead listeners that their grandmothers were the spawn of Mussolini, they would commit them to internment camps first thing the next morning.

Seriously - there is NO media left wing equivalent of the Lunatic Fringe (Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Katz, Limbaugh, and Coulter). The facts prove that Olbermann, while definitely a quasi- spokesman for the Democrats, simply doesn't bend the truth or lie outright like those losers do. They should all be shipped to the Dominican Republic in exchange for the rights to Domingo Ramos and a player to be named later.

http://factcheckfox.com/

[donnaplease]

Actually, this is what I was referring to:

Did the new health care law give Obama a Nazi-like "private army" of 6,000 people?

IMO, any time there's language like that, it's not an open-minded piece.

Umm, that inflamatory language comes straight out of the right wing spam email being debunked. That is not editorializing on the part of FactCheck.org
You're too much. Right wing junkyard attack dogs are stopping at nothing to paint Obama as the second coming of Vlad the Impaler, and you're offended by FactCheck quoting properly.
I've tried my best to give you the info you're looking for. Seems you won't be satisifed until you call El Rushbo on open lines friday and he tells you what you want to hear.

Quoted from the chain email -

"Notice how much these Hitler youth type young men talk about health care!....Obama just got his private army...Whew, Nazi Germany all over again and it is happening right before our eyes, and right under our noses."

http://factcheck.org/2010/04/obamas-private-army/

TNC, you're looking for an argument where none exists, and you're being an ass about it. Who the hell said I'm offended by anything, other than your attitude at this moment?!

For your information, I didn't see or hear anything on Glen Beck, haven't been on the receiving end of any emails, and was asking an honest, open question about something that may or may not affect me. YOU are the one with an agenda here, buddy. I'm too much? Riiiight.

Thanks for nothing, so it seems.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do you think Steve Perry shares the same political beliefs as some of his fans?

Not that it means anything, but didn't Perry put a stop to the McCain campaign's use of DSB? Or was that Journey Corp as a whole?

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, you're looking for an argument where none exists, and you're being an ass about it. Who the hell said I'm offended by anything, other than your attitude at this moment?!

For your information, I didn't see or hear anything on Glen Beck, haven't been on the receiving end of any emails, and was asking an honest, open question about something that may or may not affect me. YOU are the one with an agenda here, buddy. I'm too much? Riiiight.

Thanks for nothing, so it seems.

DP,
You claim you wanted info. I gave you a non-partisan source. That’s pretty much the end of it, as far as I’m concerned. Instead, since that information didn’t fit your pre-judgments, you’re now resorting to making things up. Factcheck.org, like Snopes, is a tremendous online resource for those looking to discern facts in a sea of lies. If you find one better, be sure to clue me in.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Seriously - there is NO media left wing equivalent of the Lunatic Fringe (Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Katz, Limbaugh, and Coulter). The facts prove that Olbermann, while definitely a quasi- spokesman for the Democrats, simply doesn't bend the truth or lie outright like those losers do. They should all be shipped to the Dominican Republic in exchange for the rights to Domingo Ramos and a player to be named later.

http://factcheckfox.com/

7,
The Right labeled MSNBC a fringe liberal outfit even when their on-air ranks included Michael Savage, Tucker Carlson, Alan Keyes, Monica Crowley, Joe Scarborough, and many more. It was pretty much Fox News 2.0. Early on, they had Phil Donahue who was unapologetically left and also their highest rated program. As soon as he criticized Iraq, he was cancelled. Like the term "socialist", they just sling words like "liberal media" around, facts and truth be fucked.

[Saint John]

Early on, they had Phil Donahue who was unapologetically left and also their highest rated program.

That's like being the tallest midget.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Early on, they had Phil Donahue who was unapologetically left and also their highest rated program.

That's like being the tallest midget.

Means nothing. Fox News didn't turn a profit for years.

[Saint John]

Early on, they had Phil Donahue who was unapologetically left and also their highest rated program.

That's like being the tallest midget.

Means nothing. Fox News didn't turn a profit for years.

But, boy, are they now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But, boy, are they now.

This is true, but popularity is not necessarily an inidcator of quality. Just check out the Billboard top 40.

[Saint John]

But, boy, are they now.

This is true, but popularity is not necessarily an inidcator of quality. Just check out the Billboard top 40.

... or The White House.

[donnaplease]

TNC, you're looking for an argument where none exists, and you're being an ass about it. Who the hell said I'm offended by anything, other than your attitude at this moment?!

For your information, I didn't see or hear anything on Glen Beck, haven't been on the receiving end of any emails, and was asking an honest, open question about something that may or may not affect me. YOU are the one with an agenda here, buddy. I'm too much? Riiiight.

Thanks for nothing, so it seems.

DP,
You claim you wanted info. I gave you a non-partisan source. That’s pretty much the end of it, as far as I’m concerned. Instead, since that information didn’t fit your pre-judgments, you’re now resorting to making things up. Factcheck.org, like Snopes, is a tremendous online resource for those looking to discern facts in a sea of lies. If you find one better, be sure to clue me in.

Now you sound like Phallus. WTF did I make up?

[RedWingFan]

But, boy, are they now.

This is true, but popularity is not necessarily an inidcator of quality. Just check out the Billboard top 40.

... or The White House.

[Andrew]

Slucero, I wasn't trying to be a dick

We already know that it comes naturally!

Good morning, HauptFuhrer. Wie geht es inhen?

Chill out folks....

[The_Noble_Cause]

But, boy, are they now.

This is true, but popularity is not necessarily an inidcator of quality. Just check out the Billboard top 40.

... or The White House.

Yup.

[donnaplease]

NOW that I've had an opportunity to read the whole link that TNC provided, my understanding from it is that the health care legislation just passed changed a group of 'reservists' to full-on active duty participants in the PHS. It says that they were actually performing as active duty anyway, but due to a previous numbers limit could not be considered officially active duty. Based on that change, a new group is being organized to replace those folks, and become actual reservists.

It makes sense to have an organization ready to go in the event of a huge natural disaster or terrorist attack, when healthcare personnel are needed. What concerns me is that they can be called up 'involuntarily'. What I'm reading (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is that healthcare workers are basically eligible to be 'drafted' into service. Would that make them the only group who this can happen to at this time? Would they go to these affected areas before the national guard? And what about the statement that they can be called for emergencies, both foreign and domesic?

Right now, based on what I've read, I have no problem with the creation of such a corps, as long as it's handled like the national guard or other reserves programs. By that I mean that the individuals eligible for being called up are eligible because they choose to be. Our military reservists know that there is a chance that they will be called to active duty when they sign on the dotted line. This should be the same, IMO. It looks like kind of a 'specialty' reserve group for health emergencies. In Virginia, we currently are asked when we renew our licenses if we would agree to help in the event of an emergency. Of course, that's non-binding at this time.

Thanks for the link.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thanks for the link.

Anytime, DP. If you find some more material on it, please post it.

[donnaplease]

OK, now this is a little disconcerting:

Starting page 1379:
CONTRACT AND SERVICE OBLIGATION.—
‘‘(1) CONTRACT.—Upon being admitted to the Track, a medical, dental, physician assistant, pharmacy, behavioral and mental health, public health, or nursing student shall enter into a written contract with the Surgeon General that shall contain—
‘‘(A) an agreement under which—
...
‘‘(ii) subject to subparagraph (B), the student agrees—
...
‘‘(V) to serve for a period of time (referred to in this part as the ‘period of obligated service’) within the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service equal to 2 years for each school year during which such individual was enrolled at the College, reduced as provided for in paragraph (3);

Go to med school with any tuition assistance, be subjected to compulsory service for twice as long as schooling.

Now I need to find out what a "Track" is... It was suggested in the website where I found this that for each year of tuition assistance a student receives that they are obligated to give 2 years to this corps. In that case, do the student loans (since the govt will be solely responsible for them now) become forgiven? I can see this as perhaps a way to augment those health care workers that will be needed to run this cluster of a health care program that was just passed. Can't say I like this very much, but still trying to keep and open mind.

[donnaplease]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFUVMJva8g

[7 Wishes]

(Cue the diabolical, conspiratorial, mad-scientist laughter. Enter villain, stage right.)

Well, Obama's Doctors With Guns program is going to render Doctors Without Borders obsolete.

His plan has almost come to fruition. Once he takes over the Mexican Gardeners Union and the Smithsonian, his evil plan will be complete.

[7 Wishes]

Another myth put forth by the neo-cons: that the Democrats were responsible for Bush's massive deficits.

Refer to the table below. Notice the budget increased by an average of 3.5% in 2007 and 2008. When the GOP had control of the House and Senate and a Republican "President," the average annual increase was 6.8%. So it's dead wrong - just another lame attempt to validate the Bush Administration, which will go down in history as quite possibly the worst of the 20th century. And do note that after the first Bush recession, the budget increased by 9.1%. Obama, in his effort to help right the country from Bush's second recession, stands only at 7.3%. Oh - need I remind you Bush's budgets DID NOT INCLUDE THE TWO WARS. Ugh.

Increase over previous budget, by year (CBO):

7.3% 2010 (proposed)
5.5% 2009
4.5% 2008
2.5% 2007
11.1% 2006
4.2% 2005
4.3% 2004
9.1% 2003
5.0% 2002
5.3% 2001
3.6% 2000
-0.5% 1999
3.9% 1998
-0.3% 1997
-0.2% 1996

[The Sushi Hunter]

I've never heard about what you describe as "Another myth put forth by the neo-cons: that the Democrats were responsible for Bush's massive deficits". Do you ever get tired of griping about the Republicans? Seriously, do all you have to do in your life is bitch and bellyache about the Republicans? Even if you were half right about some of the bullshit you constantly gripe about, I'd just get so tired of hearing it from you (or anyone else for that matter) that I'd be turned off and make it a point not to be a Democrat because of the bitching and bellyaching factor alone.

Another myth put forth by the neo-cons: that the Democrats were responsible for Bush's massive deficits.

Refer to the table below. Notice the budget increased by an average of 3.5% in 2007 and 2008. When the GOP had control of the House and Senate and a Republican "President," the average annual increase was 6.8%. So it's dead wrong - just another lame attempt to validate the Bush Administration, which will go down in history as quite possibly the worst of the 20th century. And do note that after the first Bush recession, the budget increased by 9.1%. Obama, in his effort to help right the country from Bush's second recession, stands only at 7.3%. Oh - need I remind you Bush's budgets DID NOT INCLUDE THE TWO WARS. Ugh.

Increase over previous budget, by year (CBO):

7.3% 2010 (proposed)
5.5% 2009
4.5% 2008
2.5% 2007
11.1% 2006
4.2% 2005
4.3% 2004
9.1% 2003
5.0% 2002
5.3% 2001
3.6% 2000
-0.5% 1999
3.9% 1998
-0.3% 1997
-0.2% 1996

[7 Wishes]

The tone and timbre of this forum has always been one of hostility towards Democrats and Obama in particular. I'm simply responding to it, and I won't be subjugated by lies and misinformation. Short answer: I'm pissed.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The tone and timbre of this forum has always been one of hostility towards Democrats and Obama in particular. I'm simply responding to it, and I won't be subjugated by lies and misinformation. Short answer: I'm pissed.

Seriously, I've not heard anyone bitching as much as I have the so called Democrats. If your pissed, go seek councelling or something. There are plenty of Government funded programs out there just for you and your issues. Or you can relentlessly bitch and complain on this forum about it. Either way, it's free.

[Rockindeano]

Slucero, I wasn't trying to be a dick

We already know that it comes naturally!

Good morning, HauptFuhrer. Wie geht es inhen?

Chill out folks....

No. You need to either grow a dick and toughen up, or get the fuck outta this thread.