President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[slucero]

Slucero, I wasn't trying to be a dick

We already know that it comes naturally!

Good morning, HauptFuhrer. Wie geht es inhen?

Chill out folks....

No. You need to either grow a dick and toughen up, or get the fuck outta this thread.

Wow... we can all talk to Drew like that now?

[Rockindeano]

Slucero, I wasn't trying to be a dick

We already know that it comes naturally!

Good morning, HauptFuhrer. Wie geht es inhen?

Chill out folks....

No. You need to either grow a dick and toughen up, or get the fuck outta this thread.

Wow... we can all talk to Drew like that now?

He's just a regular dude. He's cool and all, but he puts on his jeans just like you or I. Newsflash....He needs us for this Board to work. He knows I love him, and maybe that's why I can talk to him like this. It would be no different than when I met the dude 2 years ago in LA. Hell, I shook his hand, pounded beers with him and told jokes..Andrew gets it. Nothing to worry about here.

[Rockindeano]

Back at it-

This is why republicans and conservatives are pure garbage.--

http://peoplesworld.org/republicans-poi ... ce-reform/

Republicans poised to block debate on finance reform

by: John Wojcik
April 26 2010

The most comprehensive changes in financial regulation since the 1930's are unlikely to clear their first obstacle in the Senate tonight as Republicans try to hold out for a bill more favorable to Wall Street.

They were attempting to carve out a better deal for the banks even as news broke today of additional outrages in the government fraud case against Goldman Sachs and as the latest Washington Post-AP poll showed support for strict new curbs on Wall Street by more than two thirds of the American public.

President Obama and Democrats are seen as having seized the political initiative on the issue despite being short by one Republican vote they need to side with them in their attempt to begin debate in the Senate this afternoon.

Doing the bidding of the banks, Senator Richard Shelby, the chief GOP negotiator on finance reform, said his party will stand firm in blocking debate. "If we hang together on the floor, we can create critical mass," he told a gathering of bankers this morning.
Democrats say a setback would be only temporary because Republicans don't want to be seen siding with a deeply unpopular finance industry in the lead up to this year's congressional elections.

The final bill is now expected to take a hard-hitting approach to regulation of derivatives. The very strict proposals put forward by the Senate Agriculture Committee have been merged with those of Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the chairman of the banking committee. The compromise includes many of the tougher provisions including one that is strongly opposed by the big banks because it would force them to spin off much of their derivatives business. The compromise rules on derivatives also say that any bank dealing in swaps, a particularly lucrative type of derivative, would be barred from the Federal Reserve's emergency borrowing window and also from federal deposit insurance.
The White House and many Democratic lawmakers pointed to the continuing revelations of fraud at Goldman Sachs to bolster their case for the so-called Volcker Rule, which would restore the barrier between commercial and regular banks. A restoration of that barrier would curb earnings at companies like Goldman Sachs, considered to be the most profitable firm in Wall Street history.

The progressive, Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman urged this weekend that people not forget the role of the credit rating agencies in the economic crisis. "Credit rating agencies bestowed AAA ratings on hundreds of billions of dollars worth of dubious assets," he said. "The rating agencies skewed their assessments to please their clients and helped the financial system take on far more risk than could it could safely handle."

Politico reported today that in addition to new financial regulations, new taxes on banks are on the horizon.

"I don't think there's much doubt that there will be a bank tax," Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus was quoted as saying.
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The Montana Democrat also said Congress will crack down on hedge fund managers and private equity partners who shelter their income as capital gains - taxed at half the top 35 percent rate.

Some progressives continued to raise strong concerns about moves they say could seriously weaken finance reform.

One such issue is connected to the bank tax. There are reports that the Treasury Department, for example, would like to see stronger taxes written into the law now making its way through Congress. Treasury has made no secret, however, of its desire to see the liquidation fund, paid for by the banks out of their profits, taken out of the law.

Baseline Scenario's Simon Johnson said Dodd is making the bill weaker than politically necessary in order to maximize Wall Street backing: "The presumption is that Sen. Dodd is negotiating with one or more Republicans who are the easiest to bring on board. This would make sense if Sen. Dodd wanted the strongest bill possible. But Sen. Dodd is closeted in negotiations with Se. Richard Shelby who stands for the most pro-Wall Street bill possible. The goal is to bring as many supporters of Wall Street as possible on board with the legislation, at the same time as framing the issues so the pro-reform camp looks bad when it presses for more."




Truly disgusting.

[Rockindeano]

GOP opposition to finance-reform bill is ridiculous

John Dombek, Santa Clara, Utah

Wednesday, April 21, 2010 | 2:03 a.m.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s foolish rebuttal of President Barack Obama’s finance reform bill is such an obvious distortion of the truth it would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous. McConnell’s assertion that the legislation would be a bailout of banks is the exact opposite of what it aims to do.

His motives are as transparent as his distortion. He simply will not do anything the president suggests, no matter if it is beneficial for the country and the planet.

We are in this recession because of the malfeasance (some say crimes) of that same financial industry. I know of no one who doesn’t believe some restraints are necessary — except McConnell. It is apparent he is working for the banks, not for the people.

[Rockindeano]

LOL, good luck in November Dipshits. I am sure FF, RWF and others will praise McConnell and his buddies on this piece of crap stall job.

[7 Wishes]

This is great. There is no way this "strategy" doesn't backfire on them. They just cashed in all their capital from the healthcare overhaul.

So, RightWingFan - how are you going to try to defend this one? I've spoken out against my party many times. I doubt you ever will.

[RocknRoll]

This is great. There is no way this "strategy" doesn't backfire on them. They just cashed in all their capital from the healthcare overhaul.

So, RightWingFan - how are you going to try to defend this one? I've spoken out against my party many times. I doubt you ever will.

I disagree. This was a flawed bill (same as Obamacare) and they were right to stop it from getting to the floor untill they agree on some bipartisan issues. Apparently, they are very close to an agreement.

I found this article (tried to find an unbiased one) interesting especially the part about Warren Buffet, who is a big Obama supporter but stands to lose billions unless provisions of the bill regarding derivatives are re-written to protect him. BTW. he's based in Nebraska.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2 ... t-dead-yet

Couple areas of interest from the article:

In fact, negotiations on the final shape of the bill continued up until Monday’s late afternoon vote and are expected to continue into the evening. Both Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) of Connecticut and Sen. Richard Shelby (R) of Alabama, the chair and ranking members on the Senate Banking Committee, say that they are close to an agreement. The Democrats need 60 votes to avoid a filibuster.

“There are still significant discussions that are taking place, and I’m hopeful to get a bill I can vote for,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R) of Tennessee, a key GOP negotiator.

Unlike the bitterly disputed health-care bill, there is broad agreement that the nation needs new rules for banks and financial institutions deemed “too big to fail.” Both sides also support more transparency and oppose further taxpayer-funded bailouts.

“I’ve never seen a bill that has had more bipartisan input that this legislation,” said Sen. Mark Warner (D) of Virginia, who worked on a team with Sen. Judd Gregg (R) of New Hampshire on the bill. “We’re getting closer and closer..


and this where it looks like the Dems have burned their bridges with some moderate Rebublicans by not keeping their word. Is anyone surprised?

“I was assured on health-care reform that there would be an open amendment process and that did not occur,” said Sen. Olympia Snowe (R) of Maine, one of the GOP moderates that Democrats had hoped to swing on this vote.

The decision to force a vote while bipartisan negotiations were still progressing “doesn’t’ serve a purpose beyond politics triumphing over policy,” she said.

But Republicans say that today’s vote was premature. They say there are still important negotiations ongoing about issues such as how to prevent further taxpayer bailouts and how to protect small businesses and community banks from unintended consequences of regulation.

[7 Wishes]

Senator McConnell, the blind fish have taken the bait! Reel them in.

Complete and utter bullshit. Just another excuse for the GOP to protect their vested interests on Wall Street. The entire Treasury Department under Dubbya was comprised of former Goldman Sachs executives.

The proposal is too harsh for the Republicans because they want to protect their biggest contributors.

Try again, rocknroll.

[RocknRoll]

Senator McConnell, the blind fish have taken the bait! Reel them in.

Complete and utter bullshit. Just another excuse for the GOP to protect their vested interests on Wall Street. The entire Treasury Department under Dubbya was comprised of former Goldman Sachs executives.

The proposal is too harsh for the Republicans because they want to protect their biggest contributors.

Try again, rocknroll.

Speaking of blind and close-minded. You do take the cake.

[7 Wishes]

Whatever.

I have criticized the Democrats for various reasons time and time again.

Just because you can't pull the wool over my eyes - or most of the country's - does not give you the right to say I'm close-minded.

[slucero]

Not defending Bush... but Obama appears to be carrying on in the Bush tradition...

http://www.trendsresearch.com/reports/goldman-inter.pdf

[7 Wishes]

Given that, it is easy to see why some people would question a motive, although he has no control over the SEC.

[RedWingFan]

LOL, good luck in November Dipshits. I am sure FF, RWF and others will praise McConnell and his buddies on this piece of crap stall job.

My offer of betting $100 per house seat and $500 per senate seat stands for either you or the plagiarizing, lying, race card thrower. Money talks........

[7 Wishes]

MussoliniFan, just because I didn't provide a link to one of the few non-original posts I made does not make me a plagarist. Several other people have made posts without citations or links in the past 10 pages - but since they're Republican, you don't even bother to mention it.

However, it has been proven beyond a doubt you're a racist, bigot, and a liar...and a hypocrite.

[Behshad]

MussoliniFan, just because I didn't provide a link to one of the few non-original posts I made does not make me a plagarist. Several other people have made posts without citations or links in the past 10 pages - but since they're Republican, you don't even bother to mention it.

However, it has been proven beyond a doubt you're a racist, bigot, and a liar...and a hypocrite.

Are you and RWF attending MRF ??

[Rockindeano]

LOL, good luck in November Dipshits. I am sure FF, RWF and others will praise McConnell and his buddies on this piece of crap stall job.

My offer of betting $100 per house seat and $500 per senate seat stands for either you or the plagiarizing, lying, race card thrower. Money talks........

Of course not will I take that bet- any fool knows the party in power loses seats in midterms, however, I can guarantee you that after this bill gets passed, and your entire party in on the wrong side of what's wrong and what's right, your seat count will tick down, down down and down. Your pickups will be slight, compared to two months ago.

Terrible people in a terrible party.

[RedWingFan]

However, it has been proven beyond a doubt you're a racist, bigot, and a liar...and a hypocrite.

For the 3rd time. I challenge you to provide a racist post I've made. Racism is a dispicable thing...as is the baseless accusation of it.

[7 Wishes]

No. If you express outrage over issues that were already issues when the Village Idiot was President, you're a self-deluded hypocrite as best.

[donnaplease]

No. If you express outrage over issues that were already issues when the Village Idiot was President, you're a self-deluded hypocrite as best.

Ya ever notice that the issues don't change, just the people's reactions to them - depending of course on which side of the aisle they're on at the time? Clinton acts in a certain way, the Republicans are outraged and Democrats quick to defend. Bush takes over and the same actions continue, the Democrats quickly jump on his ass (just as the Republicans stood behind their guy). Now Obama is in office, and although he tries to paint himself in a different light than Bush, he's still doing some of the same crap, and once again the Republicans are all over him for it, while pretending that they are the innocent ones. The Obama camp has one defense that no one in history could ever use though, the race card. It's all bullshit, and frankly I'm sick of it.

Every damned one of us on here who cares enough to comment on politics has been a self-deluded hypocrite at one time or another - and that includes you, Daniel.

[7 Wishes]

True. But I speak out against my own party, whereas RightWingLunatic and LiePaster have yet to utter one negative word about any Republican other than Bush.

[RedWingFan]

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny." - Abraham Lincoln, 1864

[Indyjoe]

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny." - Abraham Lincoln, 1864

Was thinking about all this last night after watching and listening to Great Moments with Lincoln at Disneyland. "Lincoln" talks about what liberty means. Love that Disneyland has kept this show around.

After which the Battle Hymn of the Republic begins. Awesome.

Back to the debate. Rock on, RedWingFan!

[The_Noble_Cause]

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny." - Abraham Lincoln, 1864

Too bad Lincoln would proceed to steal the product of men's labor by signing into law the country's first income tax. Couple that with his racial equality/abolitionist views (not to mention likely being a homo), and you're looking at one of the first "radical progressives" the country ever had. Here's a couple of Lincoln passages Profesor Levin obviously failed to include in your Special Ed. US History syllabus.

"It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them, and drive them to it without their consent....Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

"All that serves labor serves the nation, all that harms is treason. If a man tells you he loves America, yet hates labor,he is a liar. If a man tells you he trusts America, yet fears labor, he is a fool. There is no America without labor, and to fleece one is to rob the other."

"The strongest bond of human sympathy outside the family relation should be one uniting working people of all nations and tongues and kindreds."

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people."

"...corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed."

Marx? Engels? Is that you?

[Rockindeano]

I love how Cons always invoke good ol Abe as a strong republican- he was in name only. Back then the parties were reversed. Ooops RWF.

On a brighter note for the republicans, Charlie Crist today or tomorrow will decide if he is escaping the sinking ship otherwise known as the GOP. The prognosis for the midterms is getting worse and worse. Look no further than their idiocy regarding the Finance Reform bill and the Arizona Immigration law. In 2008, Obama carried Latinos with 67% of the vote. You can bet your sorry asses that number will go way up due to this new law. If Obama gets into the mid 70's with Latinos, it's good night Irene.

Keep up the outstanding work morons.

[7 Wishes]

I can't help but notice that all the anti-Obama rants on the Yahoo political forums are universally poorly written, not thought out, and full of errors in spelling, reason, and analysis. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

[RedWingFan]

I love how Cons always invoke good ol Abe as a strong republican- he was in name only. Back then the parties were reversed. Ooops RWF.

Um. No, they're not reversed. Democrats STILL think minorities are inferior which is why they insist on implementing quotas whenever and wherever they can. Must not think they're smart enough to compete on even terms. You remember that Gore/Bush debate don't you? Gore getting in Bush's grill shouting..."Do you support quotas? Do you support quotas?"

On a brighter note for the republicans, Charlie Crist today or tomorrow will decide if he is escaping the sinking ship otherwise known as the GOP. The prognosis for the midterms is getting worse and worse.

Dude, you're not this stupid. Crist has sunk in the polls and is getting crushed by the conservative Rubio. He knows he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting through the primary. The same reason Spector jumped ship in Pennsylvania. Watch Toomey kick his ass there too. Put your money where your mouth is dude. I'm ready and willing.

[Lula]

Crist has sunk in the polls and is getting crushed by the conservative Rubio. He knows he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting through the primary. The same reason Spector jumped ship in Pennsylvania. Watch Toomey kick his ass there too. Put your money where your mouth is dude. I'm ready and willing.

but your boy rubio is against the racial profiling law in arizona, which the teabaggers back.. could be trouble in right wing paradise

[RedWingFan]

Crist has sunk in the polls and is getting crushed by the conservative Rubio. He knows he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting through the primary. The same reason Spector jumped ship in Pennsylvania. Watch Toomey kick his ass there too. Put your money where your mouth is dude. I'm ready and willing.

but your boy rubio is against the racial profiling law in arizona

Agreed. Pandering is a prerequisite for politicians.

[Rockindeano]

Put your money where your mouth is dude. I'm ready and willing.

Tell you what assface- I will bet you on these upcoming midterms if you promise to bet me in 2012. You have NO ONE who can defeat Obama, and you'll lose back the seats you are getting this year. The economy will be rosy again and we'll be out of Afghanistan...that sounds like a cool song lyric- anyway, you guys are in terrible shape.

[Rockindeano]

Um. No, they're not reversed. Democrats STILL think minorities are inferior which is why they insist on implementing quotas whenever and wherever they can. Must not think they're smart enough to compete on even terms. You remember that Gore/Bush debate don't you? Gore getting in Bush's grill shouting..."Do you support quotas? Do you support quotas?"

Are you ever a fucking a blatant racist sonofabitch. Dude, quotas, ie. affirmative action sucks, but it is a necessary function, because the country is so full of racist bigoted white assholes who will never give a minority a fucking fighting shot at a job. If you cannot understand that we still have not rid ourselves of racism, you are a lonely poor soul. I get it, you're white, and safe....imagine yourself in a black man's skin, knowing that many people hate you for none other than your constant tan? How pathetic a society is this when we A) act this way, and B) can't realize or recognize the problem is ever clear and present? No wonder you guys get hit with the race card...you deserve it.