TSO debuts @ #5

[steveo777]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

No Jana, every Filipino bought an average of 2.2 copies of Revelation....one to play and one to sleep with and cuddle with at night.

[Behshad]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

Well your opinion is far from fact and reality. Not my opinion, but FACT that they could have and would have gone platinum with ANY singer. Just the NAME and the remakes of classics, was their simple ticket for platinum, regardless of singer . FACT, not IMO

[Jana]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

Well your opinion is far from fact and reality. Not my opinion, but FACT that they could have and would have gone platinum with ANY singer. Just the NAME and the remakes of classics, was their simple ticket for platinum, regardless of singer . FACT, not IMO

You're delusional. Insanity is always kind of sexy, though.

[Behshad]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

No Jana, every Filipino bought an average of 2.2 copies of Revelation....one to play and one to sleep with and cuddle with at night.

[Ehwmatt]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

Well your opinion is far from fact and reality. Not my opinion, but FACT that they could have and would have gone platinum with ANY singer. Just the NAME and the remakes of classics, was their simple ticket for platinum, regardless of singer . FACT, not IMO

Yeah, I just don't agree Jana, especially when Arnel wasn't any good at all on those early TV appearances. And I'm just speaking relatively to how he ended up improving...

The public at large is foolish, most people's jaws dropped to the ground when they found out Augeri wasn't Perry.

As for Jeremey, well he's better than Arnel to me and certainly closer to the SP sound, so they certainly would have had success with him even assuming the voice matters that much.

[S2M]

The fact is: Journey isn't putting out anything that is even close to relevant anymore....Now you can argue my use of the word 'relevant', and that's fine. JSS'S 'Believe in Me' IS Journey. And if the band kept him and wrote stuff of that quality...I'd be in their corner. As it stands now, I just can't get excited about this band....

It is my opinion that Revelation sold because of the 2nd disc of absolute horrid music, and the fact that it was an ethnic front man. Don't underestimate the importance of Arnel being Filipino. Just playing in Manila probably netted them and extra 50,000 units sold, perhaps more. At the end of the day, however, you get those indescriminate fans that'll buy anything from a band. And that's why Revelation is the 'success' that it is.


And as far as TSO.....Paul needs to stick with Xmas songs. Beethoven's Last Night was great, this isn't. Jss singing on 5 songs doesn't help the cause. Recording 'Believe' again was blasphemous.

I just hate it when people refuse to take off the rose-coloreds.

[Jana]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

Well your opinion is far from fact and reality. Not my opinion, but FACT that they could have and would have gone platinum with ANY singer. Just the NAME and the remakes of classics, was their simple ticket for platinum, regardless of singer . FACT, not IMO

Yeah, I just don't agree Jana, especially when Arnel wasn't any good at all on those early TV appearances. And I'm just speaking relatively to how he ended up improving...

The public at large is foolish, most people's jaws dropped to the ground when they found out Augeri wasn't Perry.

As for Jeremey, well he's better than Arnel to me and certainly closer to the SP sound, so they certainly would have had success with him even assuming the voice matters that much.

Well, I won't go into reasons why Jeremey or JSS wouldn't have been right or hugely successful for Journey, compared to Arnel (and I wouldn't have followed the band anymore) because I don't want to say hurtful things re them that I feel as to why it wouldn't work for me. I will leave it at that.

[Ehwmatt]

The fact is: Journey isn't putting out anything that is even close to relevant anymore....Now you can argue my use of the word 'relevant', and that's fine. JSS'S 'Believe in Me' IS Journey. And if the band kept him and wrote stuff of that quality...I'd be in their corner. As it stands now, I just can't get excited about this band....

It is my opinion that Revelation sold because of the 2nd disc of absolute horrid music, and the fact that it was an ethnic front man. Don't underestimate the importance of Arnel being Filipino. Just playing in Manila probably netted them and extra 50,000 units sold, perhaps more. At the end of the day, however, you get those indescriminate fans that'll buy anything from a band. And that's why Revelation is the 'success' that it is.

See, I don't think the re-records spurred sales. If you are average bumfuck Journey fan X, why would you go into Wal-mart, look past the twelve greatest hits compilations, and buy a re-record of what is it, 10 to 12 (much less than the songs you get on said compilations) songs when you could get the original?

[Jana]

The fact is: Journey isn't putting out anything that is even close to relevant anymore....Now you can argue my use of the word 'relevant', and that's fine. JSS'S 'Believe in Me' IS Journey. And if the band kept him and wrote stuff of that quality...I'd be in their corner. As it stands now, I just can't get excited about this band....

It is my opinion that Revelation sold because of the 2nd disc of absolute horrid music, and the fact that it was an ethnic front man. Don't underestimate the importance of Arnel being Filipino. Just playing in Manila probably netted them and extra 50,000 units sold, perhaps more. At the end of the day, however, you get those indescriminate fans that'll buy anything from a band. And that's why Revelation is the 'success' that it is.

See, I don't think the re-records spurred sales. If you are average bumfuck Journey fan X, why would you go into Wal-mart, look past the twelve greatest hits compilations, and buy a re-record of what is it, 10 to 12 (much less than the songs you get on said compilations) songs when you could get the original?

You're right, it didn't, except just maybe the fact of a deal for three discs. If anything the DVD was a big incentive added with new music.

[Ehwmatt]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

Well your opinion is far from fact and reality. Not my opinion, but FACT that they could have and would have gone platinum with ANY singer. Just the NAME and the remakes of classics, was their simple ticket for platinum, regardless of singer . FACT, not IMO

Yeah, I just don't agree Jana, especially when Arnel wasn't any good at all on those early TV appearances. And I'm just speaking relatively to how he ended up improving...

The public at large is foolish, most people's jaws dropped to the ground when they found out Augeri wasn't Perry.

As for Jeremey, well he's better than Arnel to me and certainly closer to the SP sound, so they certainly would have had success with him even assuming the voice matters that much.

Well, I won't go into reasons why Jeremey or JSS wouldn't have been right or hugely successful for Journey, compared to Arnel (and I wouldn't have followed the band anymore) because I don't want to say hurtful things re them that I feel as to why it wouldn't work for me. I will leave it at that.

Lol, that's kinda like when someone says "no offense, but..." or "not to offend..." You might as well just outright say it if you're gonna say this.

[Ehwmatt]

I mean, at least at my wal-marts, they have the Essential, Greatest Hits, GH live always... and usually some other shitty compilation too
You're right, it didn't, except just maybe the fact of a deal for three discs. If anything the DVD was a big incentive added with new music.[/quote]

[Jana]

The point was re Tito's point about Arnel having something to do with Rev. sales versus JSS not having anything to do with TSO big sales, not Arnel versus JSS for Revelation sales. I stand by JSS had nothing to do with the number five slot for TSO, and for one of the few times, Tito Bandito is right.

I agree JSS had nothing to do with those sales. I'm just making fine the distinction that Arnel as a unique commodity had nothing to do with it, just the fact that Journey was all over TV with a Wal-Mart deal, stick Augeri, JSS, Perry, Hunsicker, whoever else in, they move the disc.

Agree to a point with Wal-Mart. But they would never have gone Platinum with JSS or Hunsicker. IMO. Arnel's amazing tenor voice and powerful vocals brought that album even higher in sales. IMO.

Well your opinion is far from fact and reality. Not my opinion, but FACT that they could have and would have gone platinum with ANY singer. Just the NAME and the remakes of classics, was their simple ticket for platinum, regardless of singer . FACT, not IMO

Yeah, I just don't agree Jana, especially when Arnel wasn't any good at all on those early TV appearances. And I'm just speaking relatively to how he ended up improving...

The public at large is foolish, most people's jaws dropped to the ground when they found out Augeri wasn't Perry.

As for Jeremey, well he's better than Arnel to me and certainly closer to the SP sound, so they certainly would have had success with him even assuming the voice matters that much.

Well, I won't go into reasons why Jeremey or JSS wouldn't have been right or hugely successful for Journey, compared to Arnel (and I wouldn't have followed the band anymore) because I don't want to say hurtful things re them that I feel as to why it wouldn't work for me. I will leave it at that.

Lol, that's kinda like when someone says "no offense, but..." or "not to offend..." You might as well just outright say it if you're gonna say this.

Not, really. I've always given reasons on JSS, and just said Arnel was better than Jeremey for the band vocally with his powerful vocals. But both guys read this forum, and I'm not going to go into more detail.