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Postby Tomulator » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:24 am

Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:I think for some, sometimes when someone hurts you, maybe that hurt can be harder than when you lose someone to death. When someone you love and care about dies, at least you know that person loved and cared about you too before you lost them. And time does bring peace for death, that I know. But it's hard to swallow and understand when someone you love and care about, and they know you do, hurts you like hell then walks away from you. And they know they hurt you, but don't care. Certainly hard to understand, but I hope you soon find peace.


Good point, Melly. In a death, the person is gone and you can start the grieving process, but in a breakup/divorce you may have to start that process over many times as you still may have to deal with that person.


Yes, I agree. It's very difficult to know that the person you love, not only does not love you anymore, but is now in love with someone ELSE...moaning and writhing in passion with that person on the floor, counter tops, major appliances...having "animal" sex in public places with them, screaming out their name instead of yours...basically doing it like "rabbits" everywhere and every chance they get...talking about how their "new" lover is so much better in bed than their "old" lover...better looking, sexier, etc. etc. etc.

But I digress...

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Postby JasonD » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:38 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:I think for some, sometimes when someone hurts you, maybe that hurt can be harder than when you lose someone to death. When someone you love and care about dies, at least you know that person loved and cared about you too before you lost them. And time does bring peace for death, that I know. But it's hard to swallow and understand when someone you love and care about, and they know you do, hurts you like hell then walks away from you. And they know they hurt you, but don't care. Certainly hard to understand, but I hope you soon find peace.


Good point, Melly. In a death, the person is gone and you can start the grieving process, but in a breakup/divorce you may have to start that process over many times as you still may have to deal with that person.


Yeah, that's exactly right. For me, it was almost just like someone dying, if that makes any sense. Suddenly this person who was in my life for so long was just gone and was definitely not coming back. The difference for me was that when someone dies, you know there's no choice in the matter. They didn't choose to go and you didn't choose for them to go, and it's really sad but we know that it happens...

For me it came pretty much out of the blue and was like, "ok, he's totally gone from my life, but... he did that by choice and now he's moved on to a new life..." so that made it a little harder to take, I think, feeling the same sense of loss but... he's still walking around out there somewhere. (This was back then of course... I don't feel like that now because I'm over it).


WOW!!! You ladies must have been reading my diary. I guess the suckiness feels the same regardless of whether you're male or female. This reminds me of a study someone once did where they asked a group of women that if they had a choice, would they rather have their husband have an affair or die. The majority chose death & the most popular reason for selecting that answer was exactly what BJG just said: b/c theoretically, the husband didn't choose death but he would have chosen to have an affair. I thought that was interesting.

When I love someone I throw every ounce of myself into the relationship. But don’t get me wrong--I don’t smother the person. It’s just that I make them my first priority & I’m respectful & loving & I try to be thoughtful when it comes to buying them gifts & whatnot. I never just say, “Here’s a pack of tube socks.” Plus, I take care of myself for the person I’m involved with..... ya know..... shower, deodorant, mouthwash & so forth. I don’t know about women but when some guys get into relationships they turn into slobs... forgetting to bathe, shave, cut their toenails, etc. Not me. I try to take care of myself for me as well as for who I’m seeing. And when it comes to bedroom situations, I strive to be generous there as well. I’m not one of those, “Here I am. Do me” kind of guys.

And so--- when a relationship I’m in falls apart I take it very personally b/c I genuinely don’t see a lot of area for improvement. In other words, I’m not left with a bunch of “I could have done ‘this’ differently or I could have done ‘that,’ perhaps.” I fall into a deep depression trying to figure out what is wrong with me & why I'm so unlovable.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:43 am

Tomulator wrote:Yes, I agree. It's very difficult to know that the person you love, not only does not love you anymore, but is now in love with someone ELSE...moaning and writhing in passion with that person on the floor, counter tops, major appliances...having "animal" sex in public places with them, screaming out their name instead of yours...basically doing it like "rabbits" everywhere and every chance they get...talking about how their "new" lover is so much better in bed than their "old" lover...better looking, sexier, etc. etc. etc.

But I digress...

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Postby Melissa » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:47 am

Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:I think for some, sometimes when someone hurts you, maybe that hurt can be harder than when you lose someone to death. When someone you love and care about dies, at least you know that person loved and cared about you too before you lost them. And time does bring peace for death, that I know. But it's hard to swallow and understand when someone you love and care about, and they know you do, hurts you like hell then walks away from you. And they know they hurt you, but don't care. Certainly hard to understand, but I hope you soon find peace.


Good point, Melly. In a death, the person is gone and you can start the grieving process, but in a breakup/divorce you may have to start that process over many times as you still may have to deal with that person.


Exactly. And I meant that someone could be anyone in your life you care greatly about, whether it's a partner, or family, or even a friend.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:04 am

Tomulator wrote:
Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:I think for some, sometimes when someone hurts you, maybe that hurt can be harder than when you lose someone to death. When someone you love and care about dies, at least you know that person loved and cared about you too before you lost them. And time does bring peace for death, that I know. But it's hard to swallow and understand when someone you love and care about, and they know you do, hurts you like hell then walks away from you. And they know they hurt you, but don't care. Certainly hard to understand, but I hope you soon find peace.


Good point, Melly. In a death, the person is gone and you can start the grieving process, but in a breakup/divorce you may have to start that process over many times as you still may have to deal with that person.


Yes, I agree. It's very difficult to know that the person you love, not only does not love you anymore, but is now in love with someone ELSE...moaning and writhing in passion with that person on the floor, counter tops, major appliances...having "animal" sex in public places with them, screaming out their name instead of yours...basically doing it like "rabbits" everywhere and every chance they get...talking about how their "new" lover is so much better in bed than their "old" lover...better looking, sexier, etc. etc. etc.

But I digress...

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lol, then you laugh at how bad of a time the new one's havin with the dead fish or the premo shooter
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:14 am

JasonD wrote:When I love someone I throw every ounce of myself into the relationship. But don’t get me wrong--I don’t smother the person. It’s just that I make them my first priority & I’m respectful & loving & I try to be thoughtful when it comes to buying them gifts & whatnot. I never just say, “Here’s a pack of tube socks.” Plus, I take care of myself for the person I’m involved with..... ya know..... shower, deodorant, mouthwash & so forth. I don’t know about women but when some guys get into relationships they turn into slobs... forgetting to bathe, shave, cut their toenails, etc. Not me. I try to take care of myself for me as well as for who I’m seeing. And when it comes to bedroom situations, I strive to be generous there as well. I’m not one of those, “Here I am. Do me” kind of guys.

And so--- when a relationship I’m in falls apart I take it very personally b/c I genuinely don’t see a lot of area for improvement. In other words, I’m not left with a bunch of “I could have done ‘this’ differently or I could have done ‘that,’ perhaps.” I fall into a deep depression trying to figure out what is wrong with me & why I'm so unlovable.


You are my gay soulmate. I'm convinced. :lol: :lol:

I'm the same way. Every ounce goes in.

And I have spent a lot of time doing the "what's wrong with me thing" too, because honestly, I already know what is "wrong" with me, and none of it, I feel, is so terribly bad that it should make someone not want to be with me. NO ONE is perfect, ok, and I know where my faults are. Unless there is lying, cheating, or blatant major disrespect, drugs/alcohol, or emotional/physical abuse - then I'm good - everything else is small potatoes and CAN be worked through.

I try not to supress problems - if there's something I have a problem about, I bring it up in a "this is how it makes me feel when you do this or when that happens..." kind of way, not in an agressive, blame-placing kind of way. And what ALWAYS happens, is that it gets turned around on me and I get blamed for whatever way the other person is acting... ("Well I wouldn't be like this or do that if YOU weren't doing this...."). I mean, I don't know how much more fair I can be with people without just giving up. I'm quiet and passive and I don't like to make waves, but there comes a point where I'm not even getting walked over anymore, I'm literally getting bulldozed into putting up with bullshit that I shouldn't have to. And at that point, I get pissed and I get vocal and then the perception becomes that *I* am nuts, and pushy and needy and that's not at ALL true. So what's wrong with me? Am I too pushy, or do I LET myself get pushed to the point where I can't take the other person's shenannigans anymore and I BECOME pushy... it's a catch 22. Either way, I seem to lose.

Here's a good example... this was with someone who used to be a close friend, so it's not a relationship thing but it still applies. The girl had issues, and she would do this thing where she would feel she was being ignored if you didn't answer her calls or whatever. She kept calling over and over tot he point where I didn't WANT to pick up. I let it go on a long time and it finally boiled over one day when she was tearing me down about it. I said "Look, calling 10 times in a row (that's no exaggeration) is just unreasonable. You need to assume if I don't pick it up, there's a reason. Call once, I will see a missed call, and I will return it when and if I can." I also told her "I'll be honest, when you do that, calling over and over, it really makes me not want to pick it up because it's just an unnecessary thing to do."

Guess what she said? "Well if you would answer the phone the first time I wouldn't HAVE to call you a million times."

Me: "You don't HAVE to. One time is enough. I can read. I know your number. I see the missed call."

So who is the one with the problem here? Me, because I was in the shower or forgot my phone in the car and was not available to her when she called? Or her for going insane because I was not available to her when she called?

Now, if it's someone who sees you call (ONCE!) and ignores you for days - then yeah that's rude as hell. But that is not what this was with her.

And it was the same with my ex, it was always my fault no matter what, plus the disrespect and emotional abuse. And I'm stuck thinking "good god, this is the person who is supposed to love me, and he can't even show me respect? Why do I deserve that, because I KNOW I have earned it ten-fucking-fold!" :lol:

Where is all this rambling leading? LOL.... the point is, no one is perfect, but I KNOW that I've never done anything so bad to anyone that was so unforgivable as to warrant anyone walking off. So I don't understand it, and it becomes "why?" - then the whole grief process.
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Postby portland » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:28 am

I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person. My husband is not the best at some things that is for sure...but he has a lot of good points as well, but sometimes it's exhausting being the all in person.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:36 am

portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?
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Postby portland » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:42 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?


Me Too....and it gets old...I totally understand what you are saying. :(
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Postby Angiekay » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:22 am



Have no solid answers for you, hon...these folks are right, everyone has a different experience with this and God knows, we've all "been there, done that". I can relate to every single thing said here.

Hang in there and know that there are people who love and care about you and if you ever need a shoulder, you know where to find me.

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Postby JasonD » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:29 am

portland wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?


Me Too....and it gets old...I totally understand what you are saying. :(


Me three....... A certain someone on this board makes fun of me b/c I "let" my ex break my nose & dislocate my shoulder & yep, that's only the tip of the iceburg of what she actually did to me, but we have a daughter together & I wanted things to work out. I stayed seven years. I couldn't take it anymore. And now her linebacker built, Italian blooded brothers want to "make me an offer I can't refuse" b/c I shamed their sister by leaving. :roll:
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Postby ScarabGator » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:31 am

JasonD wrote:
portland wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?


Me Too....and it gets old...I totally understand what you are saying. :(


Me three....... A certain someone on this board makes fun of me b/c I "let" my ex break my nose & dislocate my shoulder & yep, that's only the tip of the iceburg of what she actually did to me, but we have a daughter together & I wanted things to work out. I stayed seven years. I couldn't take it anymore. And now her linebacker built, Italian blooded brothers want to "make me an offer I can't refuse" b/c I shamed their sister by leaving. :roll:


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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:31 am

JasonD wrote:
portland wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?


Me Too....and it gets old...I totally understand what you are saying. :(


Me three....... A certain someone on this board makes fun of me b/c I "let" my ex break my nose & dislocate my shoulder & yep, that's only the tip of the iceburg of what she actually did to me, but we have a daughter together & I wanted things to work out. I stayed seven years. I couldn't take it anymore. And now her linebacker built, Italian blooded brothers want to "make me an offer I can't refuse" b/c I shamed their sister by leaving. :roll:


There is a huge difference between being an all in person and a punching bag!!
To accept this abuse for any reason, including a child , is wrong...perhaps someone
on this board is trying to tell you that~you know, for future reference!! :wink:
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Postby KenTheDude » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:59 am

Some really deep "pouring out of the hearts" going on in this thread. Interesting.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:20 am

KenTheDude wrote:Some really deep "pouring out of the hearts" going on in this thread. Interesting.

Join in...let it out! :) ;)

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Postby KenTheDude » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:27 am

Behshad wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:Some really deep "pouring out of the hearts" going on in this thread. Interesting.

Join in...let it out! :) ;)

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I've got nothing to "let out" actually. I'm finally in a really good place relationship-wise. My girl is moving into my place next month and over the past week we've been talking about "rings" :shock: , getting new bedroom furniture and possibly a bigger house later this year. I've had my share of bad times with relationships so I know what most of you are talking about. I've just never been one to dwell on it too long.
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Postby Tomulator » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:35 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Tomulator wrote:Yes, I agree. It's very difficult to know that the person you love, not only does not love you anymore, but is now in love with someone ELSE...moaning and writhing in passion with that person on the floor, counter tops, major appliances...having "animal" sex in public places with them, screaming out their name instead of yours...basically doing it like "rabbits" everywhere and every chance they get...talking about how their "new" lover is so much better in bed than their "old" lover...better looking, sexier, etc. etc. etc.

But I digress...

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I am LMAO!!!
You're awful, Tommy!!! :evil:
But laughing is good medicine (in all situations) and my drug of choice!! :wink:


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Postby SherriBerry » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:21 pm

JasonD wrote:
portland wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?


Me Too....and it gets old...I totally understand what you are saying. :(


Me three.......


Me four.

There were a lot of little things I put up with, thinking that I needed to be so understanding or it meant I was being too demanding and not nice, and then I found out the little things meant he was just not that into me despite what he said. Like who stands another person up, doesn't phone, and doesn't even apologize when you see them the next day? :? I'm not going to turn into a byotch, but I won't accept that kind of behaviour ever again! Thank God for the book He's Just Not That Into You. :wink:
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Re: HEARTBREAK......

Postby Luvsaugeri » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:46 pm

SteveForever wrote::? :? :? How did you get over it..........? its the hardest thing for the living...............


Hang in there. Like everyone else said....time is the only thing that heals the pain. I can't add much more to that other than to say try to be around people that care about you even if you feel like you want to stay in bed with the phone turned off. Make yourself get out and do things instead of just dwelling on the situation. (even though I am a big believer in dwelling for at least a couple of days!!)

Hope things are looking up for you soon!
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Postby Arianddu » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:49 pm

Behshad wrote:Gunny is correct. Pills and crap like that may help you temporarily but they will also mess up with ur mind and keep ur true sadness that you should let out trapped inside.
The whole process of mourning when losing someone IS about sadness , crying, feeling like it's the end of the world. By taking pills ur coping with it by pushing strong feelings aside or trapped for later.
It's just better to cry your heart out and feel the pain.
Trust me I , if anyone knows how to handle death , having had to deal with not one but two of my childrens death.

They say time heals all wounds. It doesn't. The wond is there but you deal with it a bit better as time goes by.

Luckily in Liz's case it's not a death of a loved one.


For me, taking Zoloft wasn't about helping me deal with my mother's death, it was about helping me deal with everything else. I only had so much 'cope' to go around, and I could cope with my grief, or cope with getting the bills paid, the dishes done, and basic day to day human interaction bullshit. I couldn't handle both, so I dealt with my grief and let life go to hell for a bit. But you can't live like that, and the longer you do, the more work it is to get life back to normal. So medication wasn't about making the grief go away, or repressing feelings, it was about giving me the ability to handle both my grief at my mother's illness and death, as well as the ordinary crap of day to day living. Nothing got repressed, it just got a little less overwhelming.
Why treat life as a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in an attractive & well-preserved body? Get there by skidding in sideways, a glass of wine in one hand, chocolate in the other, body totally worn out, screaming WOOHOO! What a ride!
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Postby Angel » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:20 pm

Arianddu wrote:
Behshad wrote:Gunny is correct. Pills and crap like that may help you temporarily but they will also mess up with ur mind and keep ur true sadness that you should let out trapped inside.
The whole process of mourning when losing someone IS about sadness , crying, feeling like it's the end of the world. By taking pills ur coping with it by pushing strong feelings aside or trapped for later.
It's just better to cry your heart out and feel the pain.
Trust me I , if anyone knows how to handle death , having had to deal with not one but two of my childrens death.

They say time heals all wounds. It doesn't. The wond is there but you deal with it a bit better as time goes by.

Luckily in Liz's case it's not a death of a loved one.


For me, taking Zoloft wasn't about helping me deal with my mother's death, it was about helping me deal with everything else. I only had so much 'cope' to go around, and I could cope with my grief, or cope with getting the bills paid, the dishes done, and basic day to day human interaction bullshit. I couldn't handle both, so I dealt with my grief and let life go to hell for a bit. But you can't live like that, and the longer you do, the more work it is to get life back to normal. So medication wasn't about making the grief go away, or repressing feelings, it was about giving me the ability to handle both my grief at my mother's illness and death, as well as the ordinary crap of day to day living. Nothing got repressed, it just got a little less overwhelming.

Well put Ari. Medications are not for everyone, but no one should feel like they are "weak" or not dealing the the "right way" if they do need them-of course in conjunction with therapy and a good support system.
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Postby SherriBerry » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:05 pm

Here is a great song to get through a breakup and be hopeful:

I'll Be Alright Without You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7b8Y5GKH0&feature=related
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Postby Melissa » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:16 am

Arianddu wrote:For me, taking Zoloft wasn't about helping me deal with my mother's death, it was about helping me deal with everything else. I only had so much 'cope' to go around, and I could cope with my grief, or cope with getting the bills paid, the dishes done, and basic day to day human interaction bullshit. I couldn't handle both, so I dealt with my grief and let life go to hell for a bit. But you can't live like that, and the longer you do, the more work it is to get life back to normal. So medication wasn't about making the grief go away, or repressing feelings, it was about giving me the ability to handle both my grief at my mother's illness and death, as well as the ordinary crap of day to day living. Nothing got repressed, it just got a little less overwhelming.


Well said. I've never understood why medications like that are looked at as some kind of weakness on the part of the person taking it, yet other ways of "coping" aren't looked down upon as much it seems. It's strange. Drinking a ton, having hundreds of sex partners, abusing non-RX drugs, etc., are definitely major problems, so it's strange to see RX medication, when used properly, for it's intended purpose and not abused, is considered more a problem it seems sometimes over these others.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:23 am

Melissa wrote:
Arianddu wrote:For me, taking Zoloft wasn't about helping me deal with my mother's death, it was about helping me deal with everything else. I only had so much 'cope' to go around, and I could cope with my grief, or cope with getting the bills paid, the dishes done, and basic day to day human interaction bullshit. I couldn't handle both, so I dealt with my grief and let life go to hell for a bit. But you can't live like that, and the longer you do, the more work it is to get life back to normal. So medication wasn't about making the grief go away, or repressing feelings, it was about giving me the ability to handle both my grief at my mother's illness and death, as well as the ordinary crap of day to day living. Nothing got repressed, it just got a little less overwhelming.


Well said. I've never understood why medications like that are looked at as some kind of weakness on the part of the person taking it, yet other ways of "coping" aren't looked down upon as much it seems. It's strange. Drinking a ton, having hundreds of sex partners, abusing non-RX drugs, etc., are definitely major problems, so it's strange to see RX medication, when used properly, for it's intended purpose and not abused, is considered more a problem it seems sometimes over these others.


For me, there's a far cry between going out and getting drunk with your buddies on Friday night to "forget" things and sitting there being half-zombified all day all week on pills.

Now, show me a hardened alcoholic hitting the bottle 24/7, then they are on equal footing.
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Postby Melissa » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:27 am

Ehwmatt wrote:For me, there's a far cry between going out and getting drunk with your buddies on Friday night to "forget" things and sitting there being half-zombified all day all week on pills.

Now, show me a hardened alcoholic hitting the bottle 24/7, then they are on equal footing.


Well I meant alcoholism, not just one night of drinking. And sorry, but not everyone who has ever had to take meds. like that is "zombified" on them if they're being dosed and used properly, like I said.
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:30 am

JasonD wrote:
portland wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
portland wrote:I have been married for 12 years and with me every ounce goes into it...and well sometimes I think that there is always one person in a relationship who is the all in person.


That's me. :?


Me Too....and it gets old...I totally understand what you are saying. :(


Me three....... A certain someone on this board makes fun of me b/c I "let" my ex break my nose & dislocate my shoulder & yep, that's only the tip of the iceburg of what she actually did to me, but we have a daughter together & I wanted things to work out. I stayed seven years. I couldn't take it anymore. And now her linebacker built, Italian blooded brothers want to "make me an offer I can't refuse" b/c I shamed their sister by leaving. :roll:
Fuck her greasy brothers, we ll get a couple good ole boys together beat their asses,i know Tater would be there
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:32 am

Melissa wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:For me, there's a far cry between going out and getting drunk with your buddies on Friday night to "forget" things and sitting there being half-zombified all day all week on pills.

Now, show me a hardened alcoholic hitting the bottle 24/7, then they are on equal footing.


Well I meant alcoholism, not just one night of drinking. And sorry, but not everyone who has ever had to take meds. like that is "zombified" on them if they're being dosed and used properly, like I said.


Maybe not for a temporary fix, but any time I've known anyone on anything from antidepressants to Ritalin to painkillers for an extended period (used properly :lol: ) exhibit personality changes, mood swings, and the like over a long period of time. They are habit forming, there's no way around it.

I just generally don't believe in using such substances day-to-day unless they are truly medically necessary. If you want to take a Valium to calm down while a loved one is in the operating room for a serious surgery, fine. But using pills day to day for a long period of time is never a fix, imo.
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Postby Melissa » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:35 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:For me, there's a far cry between going out and getting drunk with your buddies on Friday night to "forget" things and sitting there being half-zombified all day all week on pills.

Now, show me a hardened alcoholic hitting the bottle 24/7, then they are on equal footing.


Well I meant alcoholism, not just one night of drinking. And sorry, but not everyone who has ever had to take meds. like that is "zombified" on them if they're being dosed and used properly, like I said.


Maybe not for a temporary fix, but any time I've known anyone on anything from antidepressants to Ritalin to painkillers for an extended period (used properly :lol: ) exhibit personality changes, mood swings, and the like over a long period of time. They are habit forming, there's no way around it.

I just generally don't believe in using such substances day-to-day unless they are truly medically necessary. If you want to take a Valium to calm down while a loved one is in the operating room for a serious surgery, fine. But using pills day to day for a long period of time is never a fix, imo.


Well most of them, when used for one particular event in someone's life, aren't supposed to be used day to day for a long period of time, that's why I said when used properly :wink:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:37 am

Melissa wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:For me, there's a far cry between going out and getting drunk with your buddies on Friday night to "forget" things and sitting there being half-zombified all day all week on pills.

Now, show me a hardened alcoholic hitting the bottle 24/7, then they are on equal footing.


Well I meant alcoholism, not just one night of drinking. And sorry, but not everyone who has ever had to take meds. like that is "zombified" on them if they're being dosed and used properly, like I said.


Maybe not for a temporary fix, but any time I've known anyone on anything from antidepressants to Ritalin to painkillers for an extended period (used properly :lol: ) exhibit personality changes, mood swings, and the like over a long period of time. They are habit forming, there's no way around it.

I just generally don't believe in using such substances day-to-day unless they are truly medically necessary. If you want to take a Valium to calm down while a loved one is in the operating room for a serious surgery, fine. But using pills day to day for a long period of time is never a fix, imo.


Well most of them, when used for one particular event in someone's life, aren't supposed to be used day to day for a long period of time, that's why I said when used properly :wink:


I gotcha. It kinda sounded to me like you were advocating someone just using them for months after a breakup or a death or what not. I still think it becomes too easy to just keep taking them nonstop once you successfully mask the pain of whatever trauma you experience, but at least I see where you're coming from now.
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Postby Melissa » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:53 am

Ehwmatt wrote:I gotcha. It kinda sounded to me like you were advocating someone just using them for months after a breakup or a death or what not. I still think it becomes too easy to just keep taking them nonstop once you successfully mask the pain of whatever trauma you experience, but at least I see where you're coming from now.


No, not advocating using them for long extended periods of time, didn't mean for it to sound that way (damn internet, lol). But then again, see, taking something for a few months like you mention isn't out of the ordinary after something traumatic, while that person works through whatever may have happened. The other things you mentioned simply aren't the same, such as someone with ongoing and ongoing depression, that's an illness; Ritalin is for another completely different problem; painkillers are never meant to be for extended periods of time. Those are all completely different balls of wax compared to one traumatic event in someone's life.
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