Yes We Can ! ;)

[lights1961]

I suppose I am one of the few people who will not mind paying for insurance so others can have it.

No, you're one of the majority!!

sorry I have to disagree here...

I MIND ---WAIT TIL YOU SEE YOUR BILL... and why should I have to pay for lazy people for making health care NOT A PRIORTY...but can go out and pay for cartons of cigs... 12 packs
of beer... and the list goes on... but when it comes to their health coverage... dont want to pay attention or bother with it... until its too late to take care of themselfs... then want me to take care of them???? Thats what I mind....and this happens now, with people I know... and will happen all the time in the future...because the govt will take care of me... IN the end... since we will not be responsible for our OWN HEALTH... we will live not longe... those days will be gone... If I am wrong... well I will come back here and apologize...
[/b]

I'm on your side, Ricky ...it passed ~MAJORITY!!

LOL... I miss read what you were thinking then... sorry... but I will stand by what I said here...

[Behshad]

why should I have to pay for lazy people for making health care NOT A PRIORTY...but can go out and pay for cartons of cigs... 12 packs
of beer...

Dude,, youve been doing that for a long time. Where do you think your tax money been going , all the years you been working!? You dont think that there are already plenty of people without a job that get better healthcare than you !??? Wake up and smell the roses. The system is corrupted and broken. Its in need of a real fix and you will be positively surprised once its all said and done.

[Lula]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

[Behshad]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

I think he is suggesting that we already DO have a good public option,,,

[Jana]

why should I have to pay for lazy people for making health care NOT A PRIORTY...but can go out and pay for cartons of cigs... 12 packs
of beer...

Dude,, youve been doing that for a long time. Where do you think your tax money been going , all the years you been working!? You dont think that there are already plenty of people without a job that get better healthcare than you !??? Wake up and smell the roses. The system is corrupted and broken. Its in need of a real fix and you will be positively surprised once its all said and done.

all I ever hear in depositions from a lot of the underprivileged is when asked where they go when they're sick, it's always the same answer, the emergency room, and guess who's paying? the taxpayers. they use it for flus, bronchitis, all the way to more serious illnesses. so, lights, you've been paying; you just didn't know it.

[Marabelle]

Well the popular public option has always been to let people suffer and die.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

Yes you cant mandate it with a good public option. If health care is a fundamental human right (as its being purported by propoents of govr run health care)
then certainly it would be unjust for some people to have better health care than others. (just as it would be unjust for some people have a greater level of free speech than others, or a greater level of religous freedom.) Thus you have two choices if you want to pursue what is just: 1) create a public option which is as good as the best cadillac type heath care plan or 2) force everbody to have the same generic basic and probalby inadequate system.

Option one is impossible from a standpoint of available resources. The only feasible and just choice is option 2 - EVERYBODY gets nothing.
And I predict that this is what you will get.

[S2M]

We, as people, are not represented in government. We are taxed, though. Like I've said many times, we should have a nationwide tea party..shake these motherfuckers up. I guess I was just born I'm the wrong decade/century. I'd gladly give up most of my creature comforts for a balanced, fair representation in Washington.

[Behshad]

We, as people, are not represented in government. We are taxed, though. Like I've said many times, we should have a nationwide tea party..shake these motherfuckers up. I guess I was just born I'm the wrong decade/century. I'd gladly give up most of my creature comforts for a balanced, fair representation in Washington.

if you voted , then you are represented.
Those who didnt vote Bush in , didnt support many of his ideas and he still got to do what he wanted , all paid by the taxpayers........

[Deb]

Also

you keep forgetting that I lived in Sweden and paid a 33% tax. So I know exactly how it works. I would GLADLY pay 33% of my income right now and have FREE healthcare and schooling for my children. Yea , even college.

Kinda sounds like Canada.

[steveo777]

Welcome your new socialist goverment, people.

USSR (Unites States Socialist Republic)

[Behshad]

Welcome your new socialist goverment, people.

USSR (Unites States Socialist Republic)

[lights1961]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

[steveo777]

Welcome your new socialist goverment, people.

USSR (Unites States Socialist Republic)

Damn keyboard!

[Behshad]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

Last but not least, you have not lived in a country where the government assisted healthcare works perfectly, so all youre trying to warn us about are things that Limbaugh and his fans try to preach. The reality is far from these false warnings. The truth of the matter is that if we werent getting ready to make a change once and for all, we would see more people losing all they worked for all their life , because of one surgery.

If I were you, Id be more openminded and welcome ANY ideas and options to fix what we already got. Its a long way to go, but we have to START somewhere.... you cant just let crap pile on top of crap and pass it on to the next generation.

[Ehwmatt]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

If near-certain insolvency in the near future, 10% of net health care expenditures lost to Medicare/Medicaid fraud each year, horrendously bad reimbursement rates to the point where many doctors won't take care Medicaid/Medicare, and paperwork that would make the most complex insurance company processes blush are successful, then yes, you're spot on.

[Jana]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

Last but not least, you have not lived in a country where the government assisted healthcare works perfectly, so all youre trying to warn us about are things that Limbaugh and his fans try to preach. The reality is far from these false warnings. The truth of the matter is that if we werent getting ready to make a change once and for all, we would see more people losing all they worked for all their life , because of one surgery.

If I were you, Id be more openminded and welcome ANY ideas and options to fix what we already got. Its a long way to go, but we have to START somewhere.... you cant just let crap pile on top of crap and pass it on to the next generation.

bravo,

[Behshad]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

If near-certain insolvency in the near future, 10% of net health care expenditures lost to Medicare/Medicaid fraud each year, horrendously bad reimbursement rates to the point where many doctors won't take care Medicaid/Medicare, and paperwork that would make the most complex insurance company processes blush are successful, then yes, you're spot on.

I bet you that 10% isnt nearly as bad as those who pay high premiums for insurance, yet if you have a fucking heart attack , you have to locate the right network that accepts you or to save your life, go with a non-network and basically kiss all that youve worked for and earned all your life goodbye,,,,

[Everett]

All i can say is that if we weren't in hell already we certainly are now

[lights1961]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

Last but not least, you have not lived in a country where the government assisted healthcare works perfectly, so all youre trying to warn us about are things that Limbaugh and his fans try to preach. The reality is far from these false warnings. The truth of the matter is that if we werent getting ready to make a change once and for all, we would see more people losing all they worked for all their life , because of one surgery.

If I were you, Id be more openminded and welcome ANY ideas and options to fix what we already got. Its a long way to go, but we have to START somewhere.... you cant just let crap pile on top of crap and pass it on to the next generation.

bravo,

only because there is no other choice... and perfect for who... the govt becasue the PEOPLE ARE DEPENDENT on that way of life...they have WON that battle with people, for them to be dependent... which is what govt is PERFECT ACT if you let them...

THOSE COUNTRIES and people who live in them... HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DEPENDENT ON GOVT RUN EVERYTHING... that is your first ERROR... if they had their choice...they would pick freedom... and choice... over perfection of govt run programs...

[Ehwmatt]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

If near-certain insolvency in the near future, 10% of net health care expenditures lost to Medicare/Medicaid fraud each year, horrendously bad reimbursement rates to the point where many doctors won't take care Medicaid/Medicare, and paperwork that would make the most complex insurance company processes blush are successful, then yes, you're spot on.

I bet you that 10% isnt nearly as bad as those who pay high premiums for insurance, yet if you have a fucking heart attack , you have to locate the right network that accepts you or to save your life, go with a non-network and basically kiss all that youve worked for and earned all your life goodbye,,,,

What do you mean nearly as bad as those who pay high premiums? It's approximately $10 billion in tax dollars that you and I pay that the government's lax procedures and loopholes literally allow to get stolen from the health care coffers. All of us are effected by the hefty fraud, which buys nothing.

The network issues are nearly non-existent if you have a solid PPO rather than a fossil HMO insurance plan. I realize that's out of some people's control if they get employer coverage, but don't try and act like HMOs and their huge problems are still running rampant over the system. This isn't 1994.

[gr8dane]

Also

you keep forgetting that I lived in Sweden and paid a 33% tax. So I know exactly how it works. I would GLADLY pay 33% of my income right now and have FREE healthcare and schooling for my children. Yea , even college.

Is it Sweden or Denmark that is supposed to be the happiest country? Of course, one person said, in reply to the article, that it might have been b/c her fellow countrymen were probably drunk when they answered the questionnaire or interview, whatever it was.

Denmark. Actually,it's most content.

Denmark probably got the worst language ever, and their women are pretty damn fugly.

Norway is miles ahead of both Sweden and Denmark.

Isn't that something.

[Behshad]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

If near-certain insolvency in the near future, 10% of net health care expenditures lost to Medicare/Medicaid fraud each year, horrendously bad reimbursement rates to the point where many doctors won't take care Medicaid/Medicare, and paperwork that would make the most complex insurance company processes blush are successful, then yes, you're spot on.

I bet you that 10% isnt nearly as bad as those who pay high premiums for insurance, yet if you have a fucking heart attack , you have to locate the right network that accepts you or to save your life, go with a non-network and basically kiss all that youve worked for and earned all your life goodbye,,,,

What do you mean nearly as bad as those who pay high premiums? It's approximately $10 billion in tax dollars that you and I pay that the government's lax procedures and loopholes literally allow to get stolen from the health care coffers. All of us are effected by the hefty fraud, which buys nothing.

The network issues are nearly non-existent if you have a solid PPO rather than a fossil HMO insurance plan. I realize that's out of some people's control if they get employer coverage, but don't try and act like HMOs and their huge problems are still running rampant over the system. This isn't 1994.

I dont know what kind of insurance company you have, but Im on Anthem and I HAVE to stick to my network doctors and specialists or they wont help me one bit , unless I am willing to cough up 100% of the bill,,,,, its WORSE than 1994.
And if I could, I would gladly pay 30% income tax if it meant that my healthcare was free......

With or without this bill,, there has been and there will always be some kind of fraud and loopholes in the healthcare system just like any other field,,,,,

[Jana]

All i can say is that if we weren't in hell already we certainly are now

you were in hell the minute you left the safety and security of sticksville and came up here. you just didn't know it.

[Everett]

All i can say is that if we weren't in hell already we certainly are now

you were in hell the minute you left the safety and security of sticksville and came up here. you just didn't know it.

That's a little over exaggerated don't ya think?

[Behshad]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

Last but not least, you have not lived in a country where the government assisted healthcare works perfectly, so all youre trying to warn us about are things that Limbaugh and his fans try to preach. The reality is far from these false warnings. The truth of the matter is that if we werent getting ready to make a change once and for all, we would see more people losing all they worked for all their life , because of one surgery.

If I were you, Id be more openminded and welcome ANY ideas and options to fix what we already got. Its a long way to go, but we have to START somewhere.... you cant just let crap pile on top of crap and pass it on to the next generation.

bravo,

only because there is no other choice... and perfect for who... the govt becasue the PEOPLE ARE DEPENDENT on that way of life...they have WON that battle with people, for them to be dependent... which is what govt is PERFECT ACT if you let them...

THOSE COUNTRIES and people who live in them... HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DEPENDENT ON GOVT RUN EVERYTHING... that is your first ERROR... if they had their choice...they would pick freedom... and choice... over perfection of govt run programs...

There you go talking out of your ass again. Sweden and its people have a lot more freedom than here. You think they wouldve tolerated a fiasco like Bush cheating himself into the office TWICE and start a war that most people were against it to begin with.
And theyre not dependent of the government,,, they put their trust in the government and the government doesnt misuse that trust . After all, with what youre saying, if we cant trust our own government, and the governement shouldnt do anything for people, except bail out banks , then why the fuck do we need a government ??

[Jana]

All i can say is that if we weren't in hell already we certainly are now

you were in hell the minute you left the safety and security of sticksville and came up here. you just didn't know it.

That's a little over exaggerated don't ya think?

true. it's getting rough down there.

[Everett]

All i can say is that if we weren't in hell already we certainly are now

you were in hell the minute you left the safety and security of sticksville and came up here. you just didn't know it.

That's a little over exaggerated don't ya think?

true. it's getting rough down there.

Just wait until we ever get a new album, then the shit will really hit the ceiling

[KenTheDude]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

Last but not least, you have not lived in a country where the government assisted healthcare works perfectly, so all youre trying to warn us about are things that Limbaugh and his fans try to preach. The reality is far from these false warnings. The truth of the matter is that if we werent getting ready to make a change once and for all, we would see more people losing all they worked for all their life , because of one surgery.

If I were you, Id be more openminded and welcome ANY ideas and options to fix what we already got. Its a long way to go, but we have to START somewhere.... you cant just let crap pile on top of crap and pass it on to the next generation.

bravo,

only because there is no other choice... and perfect for who... the govt becasue the PEOPLE ARE DEPENDENT on that way of life...they have WON that battle with people, for them to be dependent... which is what govt is PERFECT ACT if you let them...

THOSE COUNTRIES and people who live in them... HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DEPENDENT ON GOVT RUN EVERYTHING... that is your first ERROR... if they had their choice...they would pick freedom... and choice... over perfection of govt run programs...

There you go talking out of your ass again. Sweden and its people have a lot more freedom than here. You think they wouldve tolerated a fiasco like Bush cheating himself into the office TWICE and start a war that most people were against it to begin with.And theyre not dependent of the government,,, they put their trust in the government and the government doesnt misuse that trust . After all, with what youre saying, if we cant trust our own government, and the governement shouldnt do anything for people, except bail out banks , then why the fuck do we need a government ??

Most people are against this health bill as well.

[Behshad]

glad to see the beginning of real reform. i'm all for a public option to be added as soon as the lawsuits begin. can't really mandate without a good public option.

Agree.

IRONIC statement...

do tell, where do you see irony?

has anything ever been good about a govt run program? you think 940billion dollar price tag is guaranteed.... no way... I see the cost to about 3 trillion in five years... and that is just for starters...
to me...I am no expert on health... but will any of the cost go to those who need it... NO... the costs will go to those who run the program... you wait and see... in the last two years in Iowa... we have had
two govt fraud situations... both by people who should never have been appointed to head their departments... one was a iowa jobs site... the other was for the state school boards... and in both cases... the funds from the govt went to the leaders in RAISING Their own salaires... to bonuses for the department... just saying this will be how health care in govt will be handled...

Wrong on all counts.

First of all, THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE right now, have the best healthcare available to them. So this wont benefit THEM one bit.

Its funny how people like you , try to fight for medicare,medicaid and social security and saying that this new bill basically will kill the social security etc,,,,,, but let me ask you this,,, isnt medicare, medicaid and social security , all government run programs and so far successful for those in need?

Last but not least, you have not lived in a country where the government assisted healthcare works perfectly, so all youre trying to warn us about are things that Limbaugh and his fans try to preach. The reality is far from these false warnings. The truth of the matter is that if we werent getting ready to make a change once and for all, we would see more people losing all they worked for all their life , because of one surgery.

If I were you, Id be more openminded and welcome ANY ideas and options to fix what we already got. Its a long way to go, but we have to START somewhere.... you cant just let crap pile on top of crap and pass it on to the next generation.

bravo,

only because there is no other choice... and perfect for who... the govt becasue the PEOPLE ARE DEPENDENT on that way of life...they have WON that battle with people, for them to be dependent... which is what govt is PERFECT ACT if you let them...

THOSE COUNTRIES and people who live in them... HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DEPENDENT ON GOVT RUN EVERYTHING... that is your first ERROR... if they had their choice...they would pick freedom... and choice... over perfection of govt run programs...

There you go talking out of your ass again. Sweden and its people have a lot more freedom than here. You think they wouldve tolerated a fiasco like Bush cheating himself into the office TWICE and start a war that most people were against it to begin with.And theyre not dependent of the government,,, they put their trust in the government and the government doesnt misuse that trust . After all, with what youre saying, if we cant trust our own government, and the governement shouldnt do anything for people, except bail out banks , then why the fuck do we need a government ??

Most people are against this health bill as well.

Even if that was true, that further proves my point that the freedom Rick was bragging about, doesnt really get us anywhere....