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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed May 12, 2010 4:59 am

Behshad wrote:
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StocktontoMalone wrote:How about a paid members only forum?


100 bucks a year 8)



anybody else see the irony of having a thread about a paid members only forum and a thread about the free forum being "dead" going on at the same time?


Well maybe if you have 200 PAYING members instead of 12000 nonpaying members, all of a sudden all the crappy threads and posts disappear and we get some classic quality posts/fights !? :?


Doesn't Voyager live in Chicago? I didn't hear about him being at MR Fest. He shouldn't be bitchin about shit.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed May 12, 2010 5:14 am

Behshad wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Thenightbull wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:How about a paid members only forum?


100 bucks a year 8)



anybody else see the irony of having a thread about a paid members only forum and a thread about the free forum being "dead" going on at the same time?


Well maybe if you have 200 PAYING members instead of 12000 nonpaying members, all of a sudden all the crappy threads and posts disappear and we get some classic quality posts/fights !? :?



I don't think the scene is big enough to be willing to support that venture. If you can't maintain ongoing discussion on the board at the free level, I seriously doubt that restricting it to those wanting to pay will drive up post count. You can recombine all the mini boards back together into one big one (which will help some), but what then? The regular noticeboard which is more the UK contingent than the US-based board over here is doing somewhat better. I'm not sure combining everything into one board would generate enough traffic if you restrict it to paying people.

The melodic rock scene is in dire straits, and I'm not sure I see a way that it's going to get better. It should say something when you have a bunch of releases coming out written by the same writers and then everyone wonders why they all sound alike. Every year, there are fewer people in the scene making albums, and the albums that are made don't sell for much of anything save the big acts like Journey who have some amount of a built-in audience. I'll give Andrew all the credit for making a go at it (and I never figured it would last this long back in the days of the AOR Hard Rock Hot Spot), but the whole scene is in freefall, and the five-year picture doesn't look good at all.

In ten years, most of your big bands will be close to retirement age. What happens then? The US scene is totally dead, so Europe is the only chance. Who's even got a prayer of breaking through in the European scene? Gotthard has had massive success in Switzerland, but can they really break out beyond that? It's a major problem, and I don't have the answers.

Will Andrew branch out and start covering some of the pop-rock acts that have roots in melodic rock like Rob Thomas? It's where the money is (if there is any money to be made), but Andrew have the passion and willpower to go that direction? If not, where? If the current business model isn't working, then you are only stringing it out milking the last bits little by little until nothing is left. As much as I hate to say it, I think that point is coming up soon. Thoughts?
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 5:15 am

Behshad wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Thenightbull wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:How about a paid members only forum?


100 bucks a year 8)



anybody else see the irony of having a thread about a paid members only forum and a thread about the free forum being "dead" going on at the same time?


Well maybe if you have 200 PAYING members instead of 12000 nonpaying members, all of a sudden all the crappy threads and posts disappear and we get some classic quality posts/fights !? :?


Yeah really :lol: I still think the idea of paying to participate, seeing as how it DOES cost the site money for us to do that on here if I'm not mistaken, would be a good one. I mean really, look at the number of registered users= 12423. Make them all pay that $35 and there's $434,805 right there! :lol: Not too fricken shabby.... IMHO :lol: :wink:

This IS a joke BTW, before anybody gets all fussy :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed May 12, 2010 5:21 am

Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Thenightbull wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:How about a paid members only forum?


100 bucks a year 8)



anybody else see the irony of having a thread about a paid members only forum and a thread about the free forum being "dead" going on at the same time?


Well maybe if you have 200 PAYING members instead of 12000 nonpaying members, all of a sudden all the crappy threads and posts disappear and we get some classic quality posts/fights !? :?


Yeah really :lol: I still think the idea of paying to participate, seeing as how it DOES cost the site money for us to do that on here if I'm not mistaken, would be a good one. I mean really, look at the number of registered users= 12423. Make them all pay that $35 and there's $434,805 right there! :lol: Not too fricken shabby.... IMHO :lol: :wink:


you're presuming that all those would pay. The reality is far from that. If all 12,423 people posted, you wouldn't be able to keep up with the threads. I'd guess maybe 50 post on a regular basis if you combine all the subforums together. If he could get 200 people to pay from that 12,423 current level that would pay, I'd be surprised. Most would either stop posting altogether or go somewhere else. That means 200 x $35 = $7000 +/-. Not nearly as good, and I'd hazard a guess to say it would be MUCH lower.
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Postby Deb » Wed May 12, 2010 5:23 am

Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Thenightbull wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:How about a paid members only forum?


100 bucks a year 8)



anybody else see the irony of having a thread about a paid members only forum and a thread about the free forum being "dead" going on at the same time?


Well maybe if you have 200 PAYING members instead of 12000 nonpaying members, all of a sudden all the crappy threads and posts disappear and we get some classic quality posts/fights !? :?


Yeah really :lol: I still think the idea of paying to participate, seeing as how it DOES cost the site money for us to do that on here if I'm not mistaken, would be a good one. I mean really, look at the number of registered users= 12423. Make them all pay that $35 and there's $434,805 right there! :lol: Not too fricken shabby.... IMHO :lol: :wink:

This IS a joke BTW, before anybody gets all fussy :lol:


Make it an even $40 with MR-X thrown in and that's a helluva bargoon. :lol:
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 5:24 am

I edited that I'm joking, hence the laughing faces too, lol, like I'd really presume they'd all pay :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed May 12, 2010 5:27 am

Melissa wrote:I edited that I'm joking, hence the laughing faces too, lol, like I'd really presume they'd all pay :lol:


I know, but the issue remains that the amount of money gained from making it pay really isn't nearly as much as one might think........and really isn't anywhere near enough to offset other issues. $2000-3000/year isn't going to go far anywhere these days.
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Postby Behshad » Wed May 12, 2010 5:30 am

Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Thenightbull wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:How about a paid members only forum?


100 bucks a year 8)



anybody else see the irony of having a thread about a paid members only forum and a thread about the free forum being "dead" going on at the same time?


Well maybe if you have 200 PAYING members instead of 12000 nonpaying members, all of a sudden all the crappy threads and posts disappear and we get some classic quality posts/fights !? :?


Yeah really :lol: I still think the idea of paying to participate, seeing as how it DOES cost the site money for us to do that on here if I'm not mistaken, would be a good one. I mean really, look at the number of registered users= 12423. Make them all pay that $35 and there's $434,805 right there! :lol: Not too fricken shabby.... IMHO :lol: :wink:

This IS a joke BTW, before anybody gets all fussy :lol:


Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)
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Postby KenTheDude » Wed May 12, 2010 5:31 am

Maybe have periodic raffles where the winner(s) get some cool swag. Maybe even a meet-n-greet with a band. I'm sure Andrew has connections to where he could make that happen.
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 5:31 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
Melissa wrote:I edited that I'm joking, hence the laughing faces too, lol, like I'd really presume they'd all pay :lol:


I know, but the issue remains that the amount of money gained from making it pay really isn't nearly as much as one might think........and really isn't anywhere near enough to offset other issues. $2000-3000/year isn't going to go far anywhere these days.


I know, and I have no idea what it costs to run this site, but at least it would be something extra to help.
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 5:35 am

Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:
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Postby Behshad » Wed May 12, 2010 5:36 am

Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


Um,, that means you have to get all sassy with ME :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed May 12, 2010 5:37 am

Melissa wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Melissa wrote:I edited that I'm joking, hence the laughing faces too, lol, like I'd really presume they'd all pay :lol:


I know, but the issue remains that the amount of money gained from making it pay really isn't nearly as much as one might think........and really isn't anywhere near enough to offset other issues. $2000-3000/year isn't going to go far anywhere these days.


I know, and I have no idea what it costs to run this site, but at least it would be something extra to help.


Agreed.

It's still the equivalent of putting a bandage on a leaking dam. It will burst sooner or later...you're just trying to put it off a little. One hopes Andrew isn't at that state yet.
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Postby Since 78 » Wed May 12, 2010 5:44 am

Well, 500 went to MRF II right? Would have been 502 if it was in California, however, I digress. 500 would seem to seem to be a reachable number no? That would be $17,000
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 5:45 am

Behshad wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


Um,, that means you have to get all sassy with ME :lol:


Oh! Well then I'd be up front no problem! :lol: :P :twisted: :wink:
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Postby Behshad » Wed May 12, 2010 5:46 am

Since 78 wrote:Well, 500 went to MRF II right? Would have been 502 if it was in California, however, I digress. 500 would seem to seem to be a reachable number no? That would be $17,000


My guess is out of the 500 that were there maybe 50 of them knew of this forum....if even that ....
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Postby S2M » Wed May 12, 2010 5:47 am

Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


Who don't you get sassy mouth with?! :twisted:
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 5:50 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


Who don't you get sassy mouth with?! :twisted:


:lol: :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed May 12, 2010 5:55 am

Since 78 wrote:Well, 500 went to MRF II right? Would have been 502 if it was in California, however, I digress. 500 would seem to seem to be a reachable number no? That would be $17,000


I'd be surprised. General guess is that Andrew got about as many diehards to melodicrock.com to the site as Journey/Winger, etc would get to their live show, which is roughly 10-20%. It's probably skewed a bit with the small size of the show, but I'd hazard a guess to say 200 max out of the 1000 admissions (which I presume included the Friday VIP?). Sounds like about 15 from these forums and some amount of a UK contingent, plus some amount that read the site but don't post much if at all. The rest (ie vast majority) were local, heard the advertising and came out to see big band X.

He might get that amount to pay for posting rights, you never know. I'll still think that if there was really money to be made with having paid music forums, there would be a bunch more of them out there.
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Postby S2M » Wed May 12, 2010 5:55 am

I bet coupled with all the great money-making ideas mentioned if drew asked for volunteers to fundraise on their own....we could really do good with this. Just saying. I'd offer my services...
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Postby Deb » Wed May 12, 2010 5:56 am

Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


LOL, this front row meanie would have to get all sassy mouth back at ya chicklet, if, as BB's MRF3 lineup has MR BIG on the same bill. :twisted: :wink: :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed May 12, 2010 5:57 am

Behshad wrote:
Since 78 wrote:Well, 500 went to MRF II right? Would have been 502 if it was in California, however, I digress. 500 would seem to seem to be a reachable number no? That would be $17,000


My guess is out of the 500 that were there maybe 50 of them knew of this forum....if even that ....


There would be more from the main noticeboard. I was posting on that a LONG time before I ever checked these little forums.

I wonder if Andrew did any fill-out sheets to see who actually visits MR.com. Be interesting to see the real numbers of fans vs. locals that attended.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed May 12, 2010 5:58 am

kgdjpubs wrote:He might get that amount to pay for posting rights, you never know. I'll still think that if there was really money to be made with having paid music forums, there would be a bunch more of them out there.

I suppose one would have to love the forum in which they post!! Didn't someone say that Perryland site
had a paid membership thing going on ...hell, the loons alone would make 50, at least!! :wink:
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Postby Everett » Wed May 12, 2010 5:59 am

If i'm gonna pay a membership fee i at least want a free t shirt :twisted: :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Wed May 12, 2010 5:59 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
Since 78 wrote:Well, 500 went to MRF II right? Would have been 502 if it was in California, however, I digress. 500 would seem to seem to be a reachable number no? That would be $17,000


I'd be surprised. General guess is that Andrew got about as many diehards to melodicrock.com to the site as Journey/Winger, etc would get to their live show, which is roughly 10-20%. It's probably skewed a bit with the small size of the show, but I'd hazard a guess to say 200 max out of the 1000 admissions (which I presume included the Friday VIP?). Sounds like about 15 from these forums and some amount of a UK contingent, plus some amount that read the site but don't post much if at all. The rest (ie vast majority) were local, heard the advertising and came out to see big band X.

He might get that amount to pay for posting rights, you never know. I'll still think that if there was really money to be made with having paid music forums, there would be a bunch more of them out there.


Id say about half the 500 , were NOT locals and travelled there,,,
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Postby Melissa » Wed May 12, 2010 6:00 am

Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


LOL, this front row meanie would have to get all sassy mouth back at ya chicklet, if, as BB's MRF3 lineup has MR BIG on the same bill. :twisted: :wink: :lol:


:lol: Actually if it were at that venue again, you can see great from pretty much anywhere in there, so I wouldn't be trying to get up front anyway! :lol: It was fun to try once though! :lol:
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Postby S2M » Wed May 12, 2010 6:02 am

You know...even if members made flyers a few months before the event and passed them out...stuck them on windshields....tacked them up in mom & pop music stores...get all grass-roots about it....
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Postby Behshad » Wed May 12, 2010 6:02 am

Melissa wrote:
Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


LOL, this front row meanie would have to get all sassy mouth back at ya chicklet, if, as BB's MRF3 lineup has MR BIG on the same bill. :twisted: :wink: :lol:


:lol: Actually if it were at that venue again, you can see great from pretty much anywhere in there, so I wouldn't be trying to get up front anyway! :lol: It was fun to try once though! :lol:


Yea like Deb is gonna fall for that one :lol:
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Postby Deb » Wed May 12, 2010 6:04 am

Melissa wrote:
Deb wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Behshad wrote:Can you imagine how many $35 checks Susie would have to send to Drew? :lol:

No but seriously, even if 5% of the total members pay a LIFETIME membership fee of $100, it will be an instant $60.000 that should not only cover Drewsky's loss from MRF II , but perfect for a downpayment for Europe at MRF III ;)


:lol:

And I agree B! Man could you imagine seeing Europe live at that venue?? I might just have to get all sassy mouth again with the front row meanies :evil: :lol: :wink:


LOL, this front row meanie would have to get all sassy mouth back at ya chicklet, if, as BB's MRF3 lineup has MR BIG on the same bill. :twisted: :wink: :lol:


:lol: Actually if it were at that venue again, you can see great from pretty much anywhere in there, so I wouldn't be trying to get up front anyway! :lol: It was fun to try once though! :lol:


Ya know I'm kiddin' Melly.....like I could ever get sassy mouth with ya. :wink: :lol: Ok, not kidding about Debster being front row for MB though. :lol: :mrgreen:
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Postby S2M » Wed May 12, 2010 6:05 am

I don't think Jenna Jamison's knees could hold out in the front row til the headliner.....lol
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