Yes We Can ! ;)

[conversationpc]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

[Jana]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

[Michigan Girl]

This stuff is not funny, really!!!

just edited the above for you...

awww ...you did not have to do that, Ricky!!! I'm lubed!!!

The rest of us know that your ire is pure and true

LMAO!! Why thank you!!

[RocknRoll]

question... gosh 23 pages... now... have we fixed the problem???

My question is this... if you have your co pay for doctor visits...at 20.00- 40.00 or whatever the price end up being.. in the future with the govt plan... what if you need real care ER type services, surgerys, tonsels, knee replacements.. MRI, catscans... what type of coverage will we get... you know with your own insurance.... some have 90-10... some have 80-20... up to a certain amount..... HOW MUCH WILL COME OUT OF OUR POCKET FOR THESE TYPES OF SERVICES...

Rick, allow me to tell you what I DO know,m instead of letting the Cons lie and scare you with bullshit made up by Limbaugh and Bachman and Palin, all terrible people by the way.

IF you have health insurance, you have nothing to worry about. Nothing will change for you. The only thing that may change for you, is if you become really sick, and your insurance company tries to jack up your premiums to make more money, they are not allowed to do this any longer. That's it. That's all. This is a fairly simple law. The only thing that may change with you, is that your premiums will NOT go up, you will never be denied insurance due to a pre existing health concern, and if you lose your job, you will keep your insurance. That's pretty easy to remember isn't it? Anybody tells you anything different is lying to you, plain and simple. This law is in the best interest of the American citizen. So, you got that? You won't lose your insurance, you can now apply for lower insurance rates if you wish to do so, by buying into a larger pool, thus saving you and your employees money on premiums, and speaking of premiums, they will not be falsely jacked up. If you have children, you can keep them on your policy until they're 26 years of age, and if you have any children, they cannot be denied coverage for any reason. You keep your current insurance if you like it, and you keep your doctors as well.

NO ONE is getting anything free Rick. Nothing in this law is free.

Tell me again please as to why you don't like this law again?[/[b]b] There isn't one single bad thing in it.

I just dont want govt in my life this way. pure and simple... you might like that... but not me.... but I will say the insurance
companies in the end screwed themselfs... by not catering to the way american way of life has changed the lsat 40 years...
the high costs of chatostraphic illnesses, the technology... the insurance compaines worst practice was denying coverage.. and that is the ONE THING I LOVE about this bill... as my spouse has asthma... to get new insurance... I doubt if she would have been able too, now she doesnt have to worry about that... THE WORST PART OF THE BILL... GOVT WILL CONTROL OUR LIFES... at some point in the future.

Again, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT LISTEN. Government is not involved AT ALL. The only thing Government is doing is protecting the citizens against ridiculous false premiums. There is no Government intervention. This is not Government Health Care. What part of this do you not understand? There will be absolutely NO changes to people who have their own doctors and current insurance. The only thing Government is doing, is PROTECTING YOU from losing your insurance if you lose your job, and stopping evil insurance companies from raping your wallet. Again, why is this so hard to understand? Please, explain this to me.

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

Premiums will go up. Simple economics dictate if you add pre-existing conditions, no caps on coverage, those who only buy insurance when they get sick, etc. It's just a matter of whether it comes from your left pocket (taxes) or your right pocket (premiums). Give it a couple years and it will be all about high premiums and here comes the public option. Nothing in this bill is about reducing health care costs, which is what is needed NOW. BTW I've never watched Beck, Limbaugh or any of the guys on the extreme right.

I'm thinking this is Obama and friends strategy. Don't do anything to cut costs, make sure premiums go up and they make a case to get what they really want.

[lights1961]

This stuff is not funny, really!!!

just edited the above for you...

awww ...you did not have to do that, Ricky!!! I'm lubed!!!

The rest of us know that your ire is pure and true

LMAO!! Why thank you!!

yes I did...

[Lula]

Premiums will go up. Simple economics dictate if you add pre-existing conditions, no caps on coverage, those who only buy insurance when they get sick, etc. It's just a matter of whether it comes from your left pocket (taxes) or your right pocket (premiums). Give it a couple years and it will be all about high premiums and here comes the public option. Nothing in this bill is about reducing health care costs, which is what is needed NOW. BTW I've never watched Beck, Limbaugh or any of the guys on the extreme right.

I'm thinking this is Obama and friends strategy. Don't do anything to cut costs, make sure premiums go up and they make a case to get what they really want.

so you don't like a public option? up until now the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, cover what they wanted, deny as they pleased, and pretty much stick it to the consumer. any person who waits until they are sick to buy insurance is a fool. any person that thinks they don't need it because they are healthy is a fool. one can buy a policy that is in place with a high deductable and low monthly premium to cover the big "what ifs?"

[Rockindeano]

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

What are you babbling about? There is NO Public Option, and there is NO Single payer. Those two items, in particular the Public option, is what I wanted badly in the bill but didn't make it. That would be an example of Government health care. However, since they are not in the new law, there is absolutely NO hint of any government intervention whatsoever. Why did Obama want this bill? Well, firstly, he wanted more to be sure; he wanted the Public Option, because only with the Public Option do you truly get health Care reform. Blueskies was 100% correct when she stated that this law is really health insurance reform, not health care reform. It's a start, but it doesn't go far enough. Anyway, back to the question at hand- You needn't worry about where "competition will come from in 10 years." Insurance companies are not going to go out of business, LOL. They are just going to be regulated in such a way that they won't be able to bend you over and assrape you like they do now. Obama and the Democratic party, hate em all you want, passed and signed this bill into law because they were looking out for the American citizen. No one can truthfully say otherwise. The republicans cannot and do not deserve the right to even comment on this- they were nowhere to be found and wanted nothing to do with this whatsoever. If this law somehow fails, the Dems will own it, and likewise if it succeeds, the republicans cannot lay claim to participating in this historic legislation, and that, right there, is why the GOP will hope and pray that it fails. if it succeeds, they won't get a sniff of power for decades.

Now Rick, I like you dude, I really do, but I haven't lied to you about one single thing here...the republicans however, have lied, many countless times, making up shit like death panels and other horrendous unbelievable crap. I have just proven to you that there is NO government intervention at all involved, and also have proven that there is no drawbacks to this law for the American citizen. You will only be helped here, not hurt. I have proven that to you, unquestionably, have I not?
I have proven that you get to keep your current insurance, and your current doctors. You get to keep your premiums at a sane and reasonable price, and they cannot be falsely raised due to some bogus hike by the Insurance companies in order to make boatloads of jack. You will not be dropped by your insurance company because you may have a pre existing condition. Your children can stay on your policy until he/she is 26 years of age. While some of these changes will be implemented in2 years, some of them will be immediate, such as the children's insurance, along with seniors benefiting from lowered pharmaceuticals.

I made my point to you the best way I know how. I get you and Dave confused because you are both righties, but he pisses me off more for some reason. You're both good guys though.

[bluejeangirl76]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

[Rockindeano]

Premiums will go up. Simple economics dictate if you add pre-existing conditions, no caps on coverage, those who only buy insurance when they get sick, etc. It's just a matter of whether it comes from your left pocket (taxes) or your right pocket (premiums). Give it a couple years and it will be all about high premiums and here comes the public option. Nothing in this bill is about reducing health care costs, which is what is needed NOW. BTW I've never watched Beck, Limbaugh or any of the guys on the extreme right.

I'm thinking this is Obama and friends strategy. Don't do anything to cut costs, make sure premiums go up and they make a case to get what they really want.

Why lie to Rick? Everything you said is completely untrue.

Premiums cannot go up artificially. That is one of the mainstays of the new law.

Those "who only buy insurance when they get sick " won't fly anymore. If you don't buy it, then you will be fined. Why? Because those out there who want to circumvent the law, and think they aren't going to "pay for coverage" will come out smelling like a rose?...nuh huh. Those folks will just say, "fuck it, fine me, and if I get sick, I'll just go to the ER." Well, all the fine money (those who won't buy insurance at affordable rates will be fined) will go into a large pool to cover up that angle. So the fining is a great idea.

Everything in this law, it's not a bill any longer is about reducing the costs of health care, by preventing insurance companies from unfair charging and bill manipulating as well as devious conduct, which includes dropping patients when they see a problematic issue coming; this law protects the American citizen and provides 32 million more citizens a chance to obtain affordable care.

Rocknroll, you need to read the bill and stop watching FOX. Nothing you said was accurate, nothing at all.

[conversationpc]

any person who waits until they are sick to buy insurance is a fool. any person that thinks they don't need it because they are healthy is a fool. one can buy a policy that is in place with a high deductable and low monthly premium to cover the big "what ifs?"

My sentiments exactly...See, we CAN agree on SOMETHING.

[conversationpc]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

Ask my wife...It's not dead in our household. I am amazed sometimes, though, at how many men DON'T practice it.

[conversationpc]

Premiums will go up. Simple economics dictate if you add pre-existing conditions, no caps on coverage, those who only buy insurance when they get sick, etc. It's just a matter of whether it comes from your left pocket (taxes) or your right pocket (premiums). Give it a couple years and it will be all about high premiums and here comes the public option. Nothing in this bill is about reducing health care costs, which is what is needed NOW.

It can't help but cause costs to go up. In fact, even Democrats like Tom Harkin, for instance, have stated that costs will continue to go up despite the bill.

[Rockindeano]

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

The government may not be "involved" in the bill but we all know from past statements by Obama, Biden, and the other Administration cronies that this is but merely a step in that direction.

You told the truth here Dave. Thanks, and yes, there is NO Federal Government intervention, yet. My hope is that if this works, and it will, someday we can add in the Public option.

See Rocknroll, even Dave, a hardcore righty, validates my claim, that THERE IS NO US GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

You piss me off Dave, but I never said you were a liar. Actually, you are a pretty stand up guy, and I apologize for getting in your face last night, but at least I know where to draw the line, unlike another person here.

[bluejeangirl76]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

Ask my wife...It's not dead in our household. I am amazed sometimes, though, at how many men DON'T practice it.

Agreed. And no, it isn't all men. A few of you out there are gentlemen. And no, it isn't fair to put it all on men - women should be expected show special attention and courtesy as well... but man, there are so many men who just... don't give a damn. Or after they've had you for awhile and the euphoria wears off, they STOP giving a damn. I used to get car doors oopened for me... but a year or two in (where they don't have to bother "trying" anymore) and a car with power locks and/or a key fob will bring that to a screeching halt.

[Behshad]

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

The government may not be "involved" in the bill but we all know from past statements by Obama, Biden, and the other Administration cronies that this is but merely a step in that direction.

You told the truth here Dave. Thanks, and yes, there is NO Federal Government intervention, yet. My hope is that if this works, and it will, someday we can add in the Public option.

See Rocknroll, even Dave, a hardcore righty, validates my claim, that THERE IS NO US GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

You piss me off Dave, but I never said you were a liar. Actually, you are a pretty stand up guy, and I apologize for getting in your face last night, but at least I know where to draw the line, unlike another person here.

Who , me ?!

[Rockindeano]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

WTF are YOU doing here? You agree with whom? I see you eye roll at this guy, agree with that guy, ask this question here, that question there...you are confused.

I just made my point to Lights1961, a pretty solid, locked case. There were no holes in it. If I can convince Rickster, certainly I could convince you, but you know what? I don't have to convince anyone any more. It is the law of the land. Learn to live it is what I should say now. There is no way it's getting overturned, or repealed, LOL. If they really campaign on this, then Michael Steele will be unemployed next year, and the GOP will be a third party, with absolutely no relevance, behind the Democratic Party and the Tea Baggers.

[Rockindeano]

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

The government may not be "involved" in the bill but we all know from past statements by Obama, Biden, and the other Administration cronies that this is but merely a step in that direction.

You told the truth here Dave. Thanks, and yes, there is NO Federal Government intervention, yet. My hope is that if this works, and it will, someday we can add in the Public option.

See Rocknroll, even Dave, a hardcore righty, validates my claim, that THERE IS NO US GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

You piss me off Dave, but I never said you were a liar. Actually, you are a pretty stand up guy, and I apologize for getting in your face last night, but at least I know where to draw the line, unlike another person here.

Who , me ?!

No the other person here, whom I no longer even acknowledge, nor recognize.

[lights1961]

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

The government may not be "involved" in the bill but we all know from past statements by Obama, Biden, and the other Administration cronies that this is but merely a step in that direction.

You told the truth here Dave. Thanks, and yes, there is NO Federal Government intervention, yet. My hope is that if this works, and it will, someday we can add in the Public option.

See Rocknroll, even Dave, a hardcore righty, validates my claim, that THERE IS NO US GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

You piss me off Dave, but I never said you were a liar. Actually, you are a pretty stand up guy, and I apologize for getting in your face last night, but at least I know where to draw the line, unlike another person here.

the house guys and gals... Peolosi for sure will reintroduce the PUBLIC OPTION SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM with in 6 weeks... maybe sooner... mark my words... and no govt prorgam ever has reduced costs to anything... EVER...

thanks for the love dean...

[KenTheDude]

in the end govt does want to take over the health care...why go through a year of fighting if govt did not want to take it over??? Why the hurry to pass the bill... then... what does SINGLE PAYER and PUBLIC OPTION then mean to you... where will the competition come from in about 5 to 10 years...when the private insurance industry is forced out??? just saying... these are legitment question for the future... and I am conservative by nature... not becuase of RUSH or SEAN...

What are you babbling about? There is NO Public Option, and there is NO Single payer. Those two items, in particular the Public option, is what I wanted badly in the bill but didn't make it. That would be an example of Government health care. However, since they are not in the new law, there is absolutely NO hint of any government intervention whatsoever. Why did Obama want this bill? Well, firstly, he wanted more to be sure; he wanted the Public Option, because only with the Public Option do you truly get health Care reform. Blueskies was 100% correct when she stated that this law is really health insurance reform, not health care reform. It's a start, but it doesn't go far enough. Anyway, back to the question at hand- You needn't worry about where "competition will come from in 10 years." Insurance companies are not going to go out of business, LOL. They are just going to be regulated in such a way that they won't be able to bend you over and assrape you like they do now. Obama and the Democratic party, hate em all you want, passed and signed this bill into law because they were looking out for the American citizen. No one can truthfully say otherwise. The republicans cannot and do not deserve the right to even comment on this- they were nowhere to be found and wanted nothing to do with this whatsoever. If this law somehow fails, the Dems will own it, and likewise if it succeeds, the republicans cannot lay claim to participating in this historic legislation, and that, right there, is why the GOP will hope and pray that it fails. if it succeeds, they won't get a sniff of power for decades.

Now Rick, I like you dude, I really do, but I haven't lied to you about one single thing here...the republicans however, have lied, many countless times, making up shit like death panels and other horrendous unbelievable crap. I have just proven to you that there is NO government intervention at all involved, and also have proven that there is no drawbacks to this law for the American citizen. You will only be helped here, not hurt. I have proven that to you, unquestionably, have I not?
I have proven that you get to keep your current insurance, and your current doctors. You get to keep your premiums at a sane and reasonable price, and they cannot be falsely raised due to some bogus hike by the Insurance companies in order to make boatloads of jack. You will not be dropped by your insurance company because you may have a pre existing condition. Your children can stay on your policy until he/she is 26 years of age. While some of these changes will be implemented in2 years, some of them will be immediate, such as the children's insurance, along with seniors benefiting from lowered pharmaceuticals.

I made my point to you the best way I know how. I get you and Dave confused because you are both righties, but he pisses me off more for some reason. You're both good guys though.

[StevePerryHair]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

you should have attended biker fest with us in Daytona Beach. Where we went to see Gary Schutt play. That world is where chivalry lives I realized!!!

[Melissa]

Chivalry is certainly not dead among the bikers at bike week in Daytona When Lynn and I were there with Debbie and LindaFu, they were the kindest gentlemen, opening doors for us everywhere we went. We were all quite amazed to see it really isn't quite dead just yet

[bluejeangirl76]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

WTF are YOU doing here? You agree with whom? I see you eye roll at this guy, agree with that guy, ask this question here, that question there...you are confused.

I just made my point to Lights1961, a pretty solid, locked case. There were no holes in it. If I can convince Rickster, certainly I could convince you, but you know what? I don't have to convince anyone any more. It is the law of the land. Learn to live it is what I should say now. There is no way it's getting overturned, or repealed, LOL. If they really campaign on this, then Michael Steele will be unemployed next year, and the GOP will be a third party, with absolutely no relevance, behind the Democratic Party and the Tea Baggers.

Dude. What? That was an off topic comment relating to another off topic comment, not a comment on the health care thing. For the record, I'm for it if it proves to work. But, and I admitted this previously, I don't know enough about the specifics and that why I asked a couple of questions about it at other points in this topic.

[Tomulator]

Chivalry isn't dead.

No, it's only been severely wounded, bound & gagged, and stuffed in the trunk.

No kidding.

WTF are YOU doing here? You agree with whom? I see you eye roll at this guy, agree with that guy, ask this question here, that question there...you are confused.

I just made my point to Lights1961, a pretty solid, locked case. There were no holes in it. If I can convince Rickster, certainly I could convince you, but you know what? I don't have to convince anyone any more. It is the law of the land. Learn to live it is what I should say now. There is no way it's getting overturned, or repealed, LOL. If they really campaign on this, then Michael Steele will be unemployed next year, and the GOP will be a third party, with absolutely no relevance, behind the Democratic Party and the Tea Baggers.

I can't wait until November...

[Melissa]

And my offer regarding skinny dipping still stands, StevePerryHair. I'd have fun, even with a bully like you.

[StevePerryHair]

And my offer regarding skinny dipping still stands, StevePerryHair. I'd have fun, even with a bully like you.

dont laugh!!! I'll bully you into going with me

[Rockindeano]

what if he brings that harpoon he keeps talking about

Woah woah. I wouldn't harpoon you outside like that (unless you're into that kind of thing).

Chivalry isn't dead.

P, Harpoons? You have this site confused with another. To visit Journeyforums, go 3,000 miles west on Internet Way, and once you arrive there, your wishes will come true. There are more fat blubber gems of "hogs" errr, women there that if that's your fetish, you know, cow tipping, that sort of thing, then you will have struck gold. There are no real fatties here, except two, and I won't mention them here, because if I did name her, she would lop off my member and throw it off a cliff. The woman here who would do that is justifiably fucking nuts.

[RocknRoll]

Premiums will go up. Simple economics dictate if you add pre-existing conditions, no caps on coverage, those who only buy insurance when they get sick, etc. It's just a matter of whether it comes from your left pocket (taxes) or your right pocket (premiums). Give it a couple years and it will be all about high premiums and here comes the public option. Nothing in this bill is about reducing health care costs, which is what is needed NOW. BTW I've never watched Beck, Limbaugh or any of the guys on the extreme right.

I'm thinking this is Obama and friends strategy. Don't do anything to cut costs, make sure premiums go up and they make a case to get what they really want.

so you don't like a public option? up until now the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, cover what they wanted, deny as they pleased, and pretty much stick it to the consumer. any person who waits until they are sick to buy insurance is a fool. any person that thinks they don't need it because they are healthy is a fool. one can buy a policy that is in place with a high deductible and low monthly premium to cover the big "what ifs?"

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about some semblance of a public option. I do agree all children should be covered, which most are under current state plans. I don't agree with allowing every deadbeat out there to scam the system. I have a lot of issues regarding what happens to the quality of health care in this country under a gov't plan, I seriously don't believe the gov't can run a health care plan effectively. I've had some very good jobs within the federal gov't and have friends who have worked as consultants for different agencies and the government can't run anything on a large scale without screwing it up due to politics, waste and incompetency. I do think it is about control with this administration.

The big issue is how do we pay for this? We can't pay for the current state programs for children. I would much rather see steps taken to eliminate waste in our current system, drive down costs and that includes tort reform and make more creative options available. I do have a brother with cancer which is in remission, he recently lost his insurance through his company(they dropped employee coverage) and it was tough for him to find insurance. It was tough with a pre-existing condition, but he got insurance. Sure it was more expensive, but so is his care. He is high-risk. So are there good things in this bill for some people? Sure, but what is the cost?

I don't believe the CBO numbers, they are definitely pie in the sky type projections and are not realistic. Somebody can correct me here, but wasn't the student loan bit included in this legislation to improve the CBO numbers for the bill.

I would rather see health care costs reduced and our economy recover. I'm sounding like a broken record here, but it is all about jobs. If people are employed, health care is less of an issue. Some companies will not be expanding due to the increased costs to companies for health care under this new legislation. Small business are limited to 50 employees before their costs go up again. If you ask most Americans who want to be productive today, they would much rather have a job now. Jobs are the only thing that will make this economy recover and more people will then have quality health care.

I think it's wishful thinking on my part right now that this economy will improve anytime soon and unemployment reduced. I am usually a bit of an optimist, but it's really tough right now.

[Rockindeano]

And my offer regarding skinny dipping still stands, StevePerryHair. I'd have fun, even with a bully like you.

dont laugh!!! I'll bully you into going with me

That's hot. Imagining this now has got me all bonered up. I wonder if Obamacare will help me pay for large bruises on my pogo stick, from continuously banging it on the underside of my desk. ouch, there it goes again! Damn, must get Lynn and Smelly naked off my filthy mind. Think about Phyliss prancing around in lingerie from the 1937 Sears catalog........ok, think about Behshad doing gardening with a loin cloth on.....come on.............. come on..............ok, whew! That took away my hard on. Thanks B.!!

No more Smelly and Lyndogg naked images please.

[Behshad]

Um. You're welcome , I guess. Hope it was as good for you as it was horrific for me

[Behshad]

Ready for round two , buddy ?!