OFFICIAL 2013-2014 NFL Thread

[YoungJRNY]

So Terence Garvin not only broke Hubers jaw last night on the blind side hit...he also broke Hubers Neck!

I foresee a large fine and possible suspension in Garvins future.

Why? The hit was vicious and you never want to see a player get hurt, but..on special teams, dudes at the highschool level get JACKED UP if you simply don't look for it. Punters are no exception . Want to run backwards? Want to run after the play? Go ahead because guess what? It's fucking war and guys are looking to kill you. Plain and simple. He'll get fined, but a suspension? Good god.

Apparently the NFL is reviewing the play, but from what I saw he JACKED UP a completely defenseless player with a hit to the head/jaw and lead with his helmet. It was completely uncalled for and according to the Bungs the Stealers were jawing about taking out our punter on the ensuing plays and bragging about the hit. That's twice now that the Stealers have broken a Bung players jaw with suspicious hits. Hines Ward took out Keith Rivers (our #1 draft pick) with the same type of hit a couple years ago. I'm hearing on the sports talk of retaliation coming your way next season. We'll see, I don't think the Bungs have it in them to do it.

Suspicious hits? Good Christ I've heard it all. Hines Ward's hit on Keith Rivers was a fucking fantastic football block that sprung a play open and is the type of football that made the games entire existence off of wearing a thing called equipment! It was textbook. Of course the league is reviewing the hit from last night and there will be a nasty penalty on Garvin in a league where hitting is no longer allowed. What a shock, this is the same league where they fine a player $15,000 dollars for wearing different color shoes. On special teams, it doesn't matter if you're the punter, there's going to be a player on the field with the football instinct to go jack somebody UP. It's a free-for-all.

If Refs didn't wear White and Black, I'd bet they'd be takin out too because they're simply a body in the field of play. It's how football players are wired. It looked like a textbook block. He hit him chest level with his helmet sliding up making contact with the jaw. It's a shame the injury he suffered. But, kick the ball and go the hell to the sideline immediately if you don't want to get killed.

I'm not one in favor of this new pansy league. There is NO such thing as suspicious hits in football! The game is built for crazy motherfuckers.

[YoungJRNY]

I can watch that hit from Hines on Rivers ALL DAY. What a damn beauty that was. Fucking fantastic. Not happy the dude got injured by any means, it's really unfortunate in every sense of the word but in the game of football, you simply won't get any sympathy from me for these bone-crushing hits. I've played the game, got hit like this and delivered these all in the same breath. It puzzles me to see fans call shit like this dirty. The game of football is dirty. I don't agree with launching like that Merriweather used to do. Launching is a terrible thing and done on purpose.

Both of those hits above is football and I stick by it. And it's not only the Steelers so lets not act like the Steelers are the only team in the existence of football that splatter guys. When a huge hit occurs, I go crazy and I see it on a week to week basis from ALL teams. I fucking love these hits in football. Fine it, suspend it, but it's in a football players DNA, no matter what team you play for, to go for a big hit. It's not going to stop unless you shut the game down. No different than diving at a dudes knee-caps, which is legal. Gimmie a break.

[YoungJRNY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMS4nTP0iis

I don't see any slide up from the chest here, its a direct head shot to the jaw.

Looks like his facemask is lined up directly into his chest and the full force of Garvin's body is directly into his chest, the helmet makes contact with the dudes jaw, which is terrible but he had him b-lined and hit him straight on. It's not suspicious. It's a brutal football hit. As I said, fine Garvin, suspend him, whatever, but until football is banned, I would make that same hit not to injure the dude, but to make a shattering block.

[Memorex]

And what was with Bryant walking out before the game was over? That didn't look like an injury thing. It looked like a disgust thing.

I see:

Following a 4th quarter interception ruling, giving Green Bay the ball and ultimately the victory, Bryant left the bench and headed back to the locker room – according to Bryant, to cry.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/12/16/cowboys-management-comments-on-dez-leaving-game-early/

[YoungJRNY]

When it comes down to it, eliminate punters/kickers from the field of play. Make a rule where the punter punts it away and immediately takes off to the sideline if he's defenseless. I've seen kickers dive at a returners leg like a baseball slide and risk injury on a player with multiple hoarse collar tackles. The dude took an angle on Antonio Brown as if he were to go for the tackle and make an effort to tackle him. Not sure how that's being defenseless. The NFL is so goddamn cluttered with this rule-book bullshit. Defenseless...defenseless receiver. The dude went across the middle, he's going to get his head takin' off. The NFL just needs to change their product if they want to eliminate this stuff. It's not happenin.

[YoungJRNY]

Matthew Stafford's mechanics are seriously out of whack. Im surprised his wideouts can catch most of the balls that muster up his 5,000 yard seasons. I don't know if it's laziness or habit but the dude can be so much better. Megatron got the dropsies tonight, too. 

[Enigma869]

Matthew Stafford's mechanics are seriously out of whack. Im surprised his wideouts can catch most of the balls that muster up his 5,000 yard seasons. I don't know if it's laziness or habit but the dude can be so much better. Megatron got the dropsies tonight, too. 

The Lions are basically the Bengals. Both of these teams load up with talent, and still always find a way to lose big games. I have to say that for the first time in forever, I honestly believe that the 6th seeded team in the AFC has every bit of a chance to make it to The Super Bowl as the first seeded team. Right now, Baltimore is 6th with Kansas City 5th, and I believe both of those teams are better than the Colts (who are ranked 4th). Kansas City is also better than the Bengals and the Patriots, in my opinion. It should be a very interesting playoff run. At this point, the only real surprise for me would be if Seattle lost their first playoff game. Everything else is truly a coin flip.

[YoungJRNY]

I continue to shake my head in disbelief as to how a mediocre team like the Ravens continue to win football games the way they do. They have been getting the craziest breaks the past few seasons that I can't wrap my head around. They play like absolute shit, have one play in their playbook (defensive pass interference) and win games without scoring touchdowns with a QB that doesn't know what to do with the football but throw it hard and deep. It's crazy that they are so bad but yet dangerous for all the wrong reasons.

[Memorex]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000300186/article/nfl-steelers-hit-on-bengals-kevin-huber-was-penalty

[YoungJRNY]

The Bungs just got punked and manhandled coming into a game they needed to have and got bullied by a 5-8 team in transition. The Bengals just proved they are a soft division default at the moment. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Ravens take the division. They are mentally tough enough to handle the boo-boos. I respect Balty. Cincy is just the team that call their QB the "redrifle". Don't hate the player, hate the game, dude. The refs missed it, as they do by the HUNDREDS every weekend. Good to see the Steelers drilling people again. Today's rules, should have been called, but it was still a beautacious football hit.

[YoungJRNY]

That's about the right response. He also said right after that he doesn't fault Garvin for the context of the hit and that it simply happened fast. We'll see how much vagina juice is left in the tank to go on and on and on about this from the media.

[Memorex]

Seems to me it simply means games can be shown in the team's market, even if they don't hit the limit for what is considered a sell out.

[Enigma869]

#Steelers LB Terence Garvin fined $25K for his hit that broke #Bengals P Kevin Huber’s jaw and may have cracked a vertebrae. He’s appealed

I thought the fucker on Detroit who dove at Flacco's knee last week should have been fined as well. The officials totally missed a blatant penalty. The NFL REALLY needs to get a grip on things. I get all the attention around hits to the head. That said, ACL injuries are up 100% over just the past three years. You simply can't allow defenders to dive at the knees of anyone. Somewhere along the way, all tackling skills have been lost in the NFL! Everyone talks about the endless offense and no defense. Part of the problem, way beyond rule changes, is that nobody even tries to tackle anyone!

[slucero]

eventually they'll just put sensors in the helmets that will make it easier to identify helmet to helmet contact... incidental vs. intentional should be easy to tell with replay and a sensor that registers an insane g-force to the helmet..

or just make the helmets out of C4 explosives.. and watch the helmet hits fall (or explode)

I don't think its gonna stop CTE though.. as that happens from the sudden stopping of the body, while the brain keep moving.. that doesn't need a helmet to helmet hit to occur.

[Liam]

So...we HAVE to win out now. I'm pissed about our "sure win" game last week. FIRE KIFFIN.

[YoungJRNY]

Not only do we have to win out, but the Steelers need:

Miami to LOSE OUT
Baltimore to LOSE OUT
San Diego to lose 1/2
and
N.Y.J to WIN OUT.

Until then, quit your bitchin

[Memorex]

Final Niners game at the stick Monday night. The only game I ever saw there was the night Jerry Rice broke the TB record. Sweet that it was against the Raiders.

Hope they go out with a win.

I would like to see Dallas win the division, but think the system is messed up that the Niners would have to go there if they ended up playing. The seeding kind of sucks. No way KC should be considered 5th seed either. Oh well, championship football means going anywhere and playing well, so bring it on.

[Liam]

We BETTER win today. It's my bday. lol

[Enigma869]

Not only do we have to win out, but the Steelers need:

Miami to LOSE OUT
Baltimore to LOSE OUT
San Diego to lose 1/2
and
N.Y.J to WIN OUT.

Until then, quit your bitchin

Good luck with that!

[Enigma869]

So...we HAVE to win out now. I'm pissed about our "sure win" game last week. FIRE KIFFIN.

Did you even watch the game? You're blaming the D Coordinator for Romo puking on his cleats once again? At this point, I'm reasonably convinced that Cowgirl fans are the only ones in the entire NFL who seem to think Romo is Joe Montana!

[Liam]

Giving up that many points on D was not Romo's fault. And we've given up too many points all fucking year. Granted, Romo threw a couple of picks, but we really shouldn't have been in danger.

[Enigma869]

Final Niners game at the stick Monday night. The only game I ever saw there was the night Jerry Rice broke the TB record. Sweet that it was against the Raiders.

Cool game to be at. I assume that you're talking about the single season TD record that Randy Moss has since broken?

I would like to see Dallas win the division

Why? Dallas is a pathetically, and historically under achieving team. They have one of the most talented teams season after season, and still somehow end up sucking. Between their moronic owner and their diva, pussy receiver Dez Bryant, I'm not sure how anyone can root for this team. They've seriously become the poster child for mediocrity in the NFL...even though their roster belies their consistently, sucky record!

The seeding kind of sucks. No way KC should be considered 5th seed either.

Couldn't agree with you more. I've been banging the drum on this subject for more than 20 years. I've ALWAYS hated the playoff seedings in the NFL. Out of the four major sports leagues, I believe the NFL gets the playoffs (in terms of how many teams get in) mostly right. Where they could (and I believe need to) correct things is to base the playoff seedings on the record by conference. It is flat out dopey that teams get rewarded by winning their division. Sorry, but if the division sucks, a team shouldn't get in, just because they were the least sucky team in a division. The one thing I've always believed is that there simply isn't an argument (at least an intelligent one) against allowing the top six teams to get in and seeding those teams based on their win/loss record. It drives me crazy that the NFL has never addressed this issue.

[Memorex]

Final Niners game at the stick Monday night. The only game I ever saw there was the night Jerry Rice broke the TD record. Sweet that it was against the Raiders.

Cool game to be at. I assume that you're talking about the single season TD record that Randy Moss has since broken?

Nope. The all time touchdown record. http://www.jerryrice.net/JerryRice/01.htm

You know, the record that won't be broken in our lifetimes?

[Enigma869]

Nope. The all time touchdown record. http://www.jerryrice.net/JerryRice/01.htm

You know, the record that won't be broken in our lifetimes?

It will be broken. Honestly, if Randy Moss played with anyone half as good as Joe Montana was, the record would have been broken a long time ago. Jerry Rice was a great receiver, but I've seen guys play the position with far more talent. Rice was a tireless worker who had the GREAT fortune of having one of the top three QB's of all time throw him 98% of the passes he caught during the course of his great career, and that's something I just can't overlook. The NFL is a passing league, and I'm confident that record won't last. People said Peyton Manning's TD record would never be broken, and Brady broke it about a year later. People then said Brady's record would never be broken, and Peyton is about to break the record today!

[Memorex]

Nope. The all time touchdown record. http://www.jerryrice.net/JerryRice/01.htm

You know, the record that won't be broken in our lifetimes?

It will be broken. Honestly, if Randy Moss played with anyone half as good as Joe Montana was, the record would have been broken a long time ago. Jerry Rice was a great receiver, but I've seen guys play the position with far more talent. Rice was a tireless worker who had the GREAT fortune of having one of the top three QB's of all time throw him 98% of the passes he caught during the course of his great career, and that's something I just can't overlook. The NFL is a passing league, and I'm confident that record won't last. People said Peyton Manning's TD record would never be broken, and Brady broke it about a year later. People then said Brady's record would never be broken, and Peyton is about to break the record today!

We will have to agree to disagree. I think Rice's talent was above Montana and Young's, so I think it's a bit reverse of what you say. Rice helped them look better, I think, more so than the other way around. The way teams had to defend Rice, it left a lot open. I do think anyone can pick certain things and say this is better or that is better. But Rice's consistency speaks for itself.

The record will surely be broken, but it will be a long, long while. And do recall, Rice got the single season TD record in a strike-shortened season. He did it in 12 games. Which is quite phenomenal really.

[Enigma869]

Giving up that many points on D was not Romo's fault. And we've given up too many points all fucking year. Granted, Romo threw a couple of picks, but we really shouldn't have been in danger.

Romo threw a pick at the end of the game while Dallas was driving and that cost his team the game! Sorry, but regardless of how bad a defense is, your QB still needs to put your team in a position to win the game. I just witnessed another awful pick by Romo about 5 minutes ago. I'll say one thing for Romo...he's VERY consistent, and that's not a good thing!

[Enigma869]

We will have to agree to disagree. I think Rice's talent was above Montana and Young's, so I think it's a bit reverse of what you say. Rice helped them look better, I think, more so than the other way around. The way teams had to defend Rice, it left a lot open. I do think anyone can pick certain things and say this is better or that is better. But Rice's consistency speaks for itself.

The record will surely be broken, but it will be a long, long while. And do recall, Rice got the single season TD record in a strike-shortened season. He did it in 12 games. Which is quite phenomenal really.

Just so I'm clear, I'm not bad mouthing Jerry Rice. I'm simply making the point that he had the benefit of not one, but TWO Hall Of Fame QB's throwing the ball to him. You can say that his talent was "above" Montana and Young, but that doesn't change the fact that they're both Hall Of Fame QB's. Rice was a great player and outworked anyone who has ever played the position. That said, he wasn't one of the freakishly talented players I've seen play the position. Truth be told, Jerry Rice always looked rather ordinary to me when I watched those San Francisco teams, which makes his career numbers even more remarkable. It's sort of like the Michael Jordan versus Larry Bird argument. Bird was a great player, but you'll never catch me saying that he was better than Jordan. Jordan was simply a freakishly talented guy, where Bird didn't have all of those athletic skills, but was ridiculously intelligent and outworked EVERYONE! Randy Moss was easily (and there isn't even anyone a close second for me) the most talented receiver I ever saw, and I felt that way after his rookie season. It's just too bad that the guy simply didn't care about being great and barely even tried. It's frightening to think what he could have been if he actually tried or had real NFL QB's throwing him the football for most of his career! Given Moss' career numbers, it's silly to say this, but I feel like the guy wasted his immense talent.

[Enigma869]

Giving up that many points on D was not Romo's fault. And we've given up too many points all fucking year. Granted, Romo threw a couple of picks, but we really shouldn't have been in danger.

Romo threw a pick at the end of the game while Dallas was driving and that cost his team the game! Sorry, but regardless of how bad a defense is, your QB still needs to put your team in a position to win the game. I just witnessed another awful pick by Romo about 5 minutes ago. I'll say one thing for Romo...he's VERY consistent, and that's not a good thing! Dallas finally managed to pull of a miracle this week.

[slucero]

Romo is becoming the Mark Sanchez of the Cowboys..

[YoungJRNY]

Jesus Christ. I go to check my Pick'EMs and it says I didn't save my picks when I went back to change a few so it marked the ENTIRE THING vacant. That chaps my fucking ass. I would have had 9 wins going into tonight. Ohwell.