They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Memorex]

Here is an anecdote to what is happening in America. And I am sorry Andrew to bring this up, but is exactly what is happening here in America.

I had a lot of respect for Andrew over all the years. Just at how he kept things going on the site, etc. And I knew he held some different views, but who cares? Some of my est friends and family hold those views. It's just a political difference at the end of the day. A person is either good or not good, right?

But then something happened. Now, I have not changed my political views much since I was a kid. I believe pretty much in the same things I always have. Lower taxes, let people do whatever they want to do sexually, always wanted the border to be secure, etc. Haven't changed. But suddenly, I am being called a racist. I am being told how bad I have been as a white person for all the ills of the world. I started feeling such anger and hatred from the left in general and Andrew in particular. So what do you think happened? Was I shamed into changing views? No. I just lost all the respect I had for Andrew as a person. Every ounce just left because how could he, after all I have done in my life, call me such things simply because I hold certain political views? I'm not literally Hitler. And that is the exact reason you are seeing more and more Trump supporters. They took the wrong approach.

All that said, Andrew did do a few things that I could then so ok, at least there is that. But as long as people want to call me names, I can't take them seriously.

[RPM]

Here is an anecdote to what is happening in America. And I am sorry Andrew to bring this up, but is exactly what is happening here in America.

I had a lot of respect for Andrew over all the years. Just at how he kept things going on the site, etc. And I knew he held some different views, but who cares? Some of my est friends and family hold those views. It's just a political difference at the end of the day. A person is either good or not good, right?

But then something happened. Now, I have not changed my political views much since I was a kid. I believe pretty much in the same things I always have. Lower taxes, let people do whatever they want to do sexually, always wanted the border to be secure, etc. Haven't changed. But suddenly, I am being called a racist. I am being told how bad I have been as a white person for all the ills of the world. I started feeling such anger and hatred from the left in general and Andrew in particular. So what do you think happened? Was I shamed into changing views? No. I just lost all the respect I had for Andrew as a person. Every ounce just left because how could he, after all I have done in my life, call me such things simply because I hold certain political views? I'm not literally Hitler. And that is the exact reason you are seeing more and more Trump supporters. They took the wrong approach.

All that said, Andrew did do a few things that I could then so ok, at least there is that. But as long as people want to call me names, I can't take them seriously.

I agree 100%. It’s a real shame, I knew as well Andrew had different views and that’s ok. Never expected the name calling
And shaming for those that hold different views and then removal of folks. But that’s exactly what is happening here across
Our country. It’s not ok anymore to just simply disagree. The other side must now be shamed and eliminated....
The good news is the media is not winning the battle as evidenced by the growing support for President Trump.

[Andrew]

Oh yay. More blame me for everything posts. That sure doesn't get old. Nothing I love more than hearing how someone has lost all respect for me, but is still happy enough to use my board to come and tell me so. No doubt you are over on that other board stating the same, just with more colourful language.

The only name calling at the start was using the term RWNJs, as the current president just brought out the worst in everyone. He should be hung for that alone.

Before ANYTHING went south, there was some pretty awful shit posted here - some insane RWNJ stuff. Mainly by the one guy who I should have just thrown out at the start. It was the constant links from known bullshit RW news sources. It just got too much - I resented the use of my board to push such objectionable material 24/7. It was relentless, and it was all one sided.

So yeah, whatever...keep hanging shit on me, keep blaming me for losing my cool. It's only been 20 years of it. No wonder I've lost the will to live.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only name calling at the start was using the term RWNJs, as the current president just brought out the worst in everyone. He should be hung for that alone.

The president shouldn't be hung for ANYTHING. In the same post you are talking about objectionable rhetoric, you are engaging in assassination/execution talk.
WTF, man? Get a grip.

Before ANYTHING went south, there was some pretty awful shit posted here - some insane RWNJ stuff. Mainly by the one guy who I should have just thrown out at the start. It was the constant links from known bullshit RW news sources. It just got too much - I resented the use of my board to push such objectionable material 24/7. It was relentless, and it was all one sided.

Complete revisionist history. The most vile stuff I saw on here came from you talking about kiddie fucking. KC's conservative treehouse - or whatever - isn't my idea of a legit news source. However, it's above and beyond many of the tinfoil hat claims you push without attribution - AT ALL.

Imo, every poster you've insulted these past few years, (and there's a shit ton), should be provided free airfare and font row tickets to the next MRFest. Look them square in the eye and insult them man-to-man. Would you dare?

Both you and Monker are writing checks your DNC-sucking mouths can't cash.

[Andrew]

Fuck off. You are such a boring RWNJ these days.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Fuck off. You are such a boring RWNJ these days.

More of the same. Insults and no facts.

I am proud to be a progressive, hold progressive views, and I hold real RWNJs like you - who breathlessly parrot military industrial propaganda (i.e. Russiagate) - in the lowest contempt.

I think I will pass your Trump hanging fantasies along to the secret service. You have yourself a great day.

[Memorex]

Oh yay. More blame me for everything posts. That sure doesn't get old. Nothing I love more than hearing how someone has lost all respect for me, but is still happy enough to use my board to come and tell me so. No doubt you are over on that other board stating the same, just with more colourful language.

The only name calling at the start was using the term RWNJs, as the current president just brought out the worst in everyone. He should be hung for that alone.

Before ANYTHING went south, there was some pretty awful shit posted here - some insane RWNJ stuff. Mainly by the one guy who I should have just thrown out at the start. It was the constant links from known bullshit RW news sources. It just got too much - I resented the use of my board to push such objectionable material 24/7. It was relentless, and it was all one sided.

So yeah, whatever...keep hanging shit on me, keep blaming me for losing my cool. It's only been 20 years of it. No wonder I've lost the will to live.

First off, I don't post on the other board and even if I did, so what? Secondly, I consider this our board. Which is actually a compliment to you so don't misread that.

I actually felt hesitant on posting that and maybe I should not have. But I am trying to make a point to the people that are actually engaged in the behavior that is pushing more and more people to Trump. And your style is exactly the type I am talking about.

In any case, in general terms, you mock us, you changed words and you have your childish board titles, etc. But you keep indicating that anyone that supports the president's policies is a racist. Therefore, you are calling me a racist simply because I hold a few of the same political beliefs that he does. And I don't appreciate that at all. It's extremely offensive. People don't like having to defend themselves against truly crazy accusations. That's all I am trying to say. In my mind, you, Andrew, believe me to be a racist and all the other things you say. It's not too cool.

If you try and talk me into believing I am a racist, I am only going to move farther away. It's true that so many can't think for themselves and they actually buy into this, but me and millions of Americans know the difference.

The most racist people I know are my family in the south that are Dems. But I don't say all Dems are racist. I don't say you must be racist because you are supporting racist candidates (which they are). Anyway, I'm not going to change your mind so it doesn't matter. Sorry for the post.

[verslibre]

The mocking in this thread has ALWAYS been a two-way street. Here, have a beach towel.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The mocking in this thread has ALWAYS been a two-way street. Here, have a beach towel.

Been here for nearly two decades. Never seen it like this before.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one; Trump's election fried peoples' brains.

[verslibre]

The mocking in this thread has ALWAYS been a two-way street. Here, have a beach towel.

Been here for nearly two decades. Never seen it like this before.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one; Trump's election fried peoples' brains.

Gee, dude. I saw you participate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Gee, dude. I saw you participate.

Oh, I'm not talking about mere "mocking."
And I don't agree with your premise that this thread is somehow comparable to other MR threads, like, say, the DC or Marvel ones.
Longtime posters have been banned, links have been changed, pedophile conspiracies have been promoted.
Does that sound normal to you?

[Andrew]

Gee, dude. I saw you participate.

Oh, I'm not talking about mere "mocking."
And I don't agree with your premise that this thread is somehow comparable to other MR threads, like, say, the DC or Marvel ones.
Longtime posters have been banned, links have been changed, pedophile conspiracies have been promoted.
Does that sound normal to you?

No different than the RWNJ links, conspiracies, lies and bullshit that I was embarrassed as a human being to see posted on MY WEBSITE.

Those banned were only done so after abusing me on other websites. Wasn’t me that started that. To quote your favourite term of reference - revisionist history.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No different than the RWNJ links, conspiracies, lies and bullshit that I was embarrassed as a human being to see posted on MY WEBSITE.

RW conspiracy theories and lies can be easily be countered with facts - there's no need for LW conspiracy theories and lies. To quote the former first lady, "when they go low, we go high." I encourage everybody here, me included, to just debate the facts for the next few days. Let's cut out the personal stuff.

[Andrew]

No different than the RWNJ links, conspiracies, lies and bullshit that I was embarrassed as a human being to see posted on MY WEBSITE.

RW conspiracy theories and lies can be easily be countered with facts - there's no need for LW conspiracy theories and lies. To quote the former first lady, "when they go low, we go high." I encourage everybody here, me included, to just debate the facts for the next few days. Let's cut out the personal stuff.

The lack of facts being posted was what frustrated me no end.

And starting up on the blame me for everything shit again, for no reason, is tired and lame.

If the personal stuff can be pushed aside I think that would be a good first step.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've decided to support Bernie Sanders. I admire Trump on the issues of non-interventionist foreign policy and on free trade. I think he deserves a lot of credit - and has even helped to shift his warmongering party to the left. However, on bread and butter issues, like health care and student debt, I have to go all in with Bernie.

That is my official half-assed MR endorsement for 2020.

[RPM]

I've decided to support Bernie Sanders. I admire Trump on the issues of non-interventionist foreign policy and on free trade. I think he deserves a lot of credit - and has even helped to shift his party to the left. However, on bread and butter issues, like health care and student debt, I have to go all in with Bernie.

Do you honestly feel he has a chance? I think alot of folks are supporting Biden because they think he has
the best shot at Trump. Is his stance on student debt the same as Warrens? ( get the taxpayers to cover the loans
they signed for) he will have alot of support as he did before.

[Andrew]

I like Bernie also. Smart guy.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Bernie 2020

Biden is going to be an embarrassment on that podium against Trump. I almost want to see it.

[Memorex]

So I guess Russian ties don't mean much anymore. Cool.

[Andrew]

So I guess Russian ties don't mean much anymore. Cool.

Remains to be seen. I know he has past history there, but at least he hasn’t been sponging off Russian mob money to finance his real estate portfolio.

[Memorex]

So I guess Russian ties don't mean much anymore. Cool.

Remains to be seen. I know he has past history there, but at least he hasn’t been sponging off Russian mob money to finance his real estate portfolio.

Probably not. But then you have to wonder how a lifetime public servant owns a few houses. Nice houses at that.

Anyway - I assume it's not Russians. I just assume it's part of the same political corruption that has occurred in both parties since the founding.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Is his stance on student debt the same as Warrens? ( get the taxpayers to cover the loans
they signed for) he will have alot of support as he did before.

I believe Bernie wants to eliminate student debt via a financial transaction tax - which we should have in this country anyway.

[RPM]

Is his stance on student debt the same as Warrens? ( get the taxpayers to cover the loans
they signed for) he will have alot of support as he did before.

I believe Bernie wants to eliminate student debt via a financial transaction tax - which we should have in this country anyway.

I agree on the tax, it’s a fair one. It is however still taxpayer money correct? I never expected anyone to pay off the loans I obligated myself too. So why The subsidy ? I get that it’s too expensive, but they signed the agreement
What am I missing?

[Monker]

No different than the RWNJ links, conspiracies, lies and bullshit that I was embarrassed as a human being to see posted on MY WEBSITE.

RW conspiracy theories and lies can be easily be countered with facts - there's no need for LW conspiracy theories and lies. To quote the former first lady, "when they go low, we go high." I encourage everybody here, me included, to just debate the facts for the next few days. Let's cut out the personal stuff.

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If Andrew says to stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

[Monker]

Gee, dude. I saw you participate.

Oh, I'm not talking about mere "mocking."
And I don't agree with your premise that this thread is somehow comparable to other MR threads, like, say, the DC or Marvel ones.
Longtime posters have been banned, links have been changed, pedophile conspiracies have been promoted.
Does that sound normal to you?

When Backtalk members were trying to post here, you had a half dozen people jumping all over their asses, insulting them, inciting them, and generally bullying them until they either left or blew up and got kicked off. You had AR posting fat chick pics and mocking BT. You had people posting pics of people from BT for no other reason than to insult them because of their looks. And, yes, people who were regulars here got kicked off multiple times All of the above Andrew asked people to stop doing, and was ignored. And, yes, you participated in it. It is VERY MUCH the same as what has been going on in this thread.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Andrew says to stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

And right on cue, you enter the scene to continue to fan the flames of division. Instead of creating new brush fires, why don't you follow up on the multitude of lies you've posted on here. You previously said Comey's leaked memos on Trump meetings were harmless and not classified. Well, the IG has weighed in and disagrees. Poof! Another Monk lie blown to bits. That's your MO. You proliferate propaganda, and then when it's debunked, you never address it again. In my opinion, you're the main reason this thread has become so toxic.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When Backtalk members were trying to post here, you had a half dozen people jumping all over their asses, insulting them, inciting them, and generally bullying them until they either left or blew up and got kicked off. You had AR posting fat chick pics and mocking BT. You had people posting pics of people from BT for no other reason than to insult them because of their looks. And, yes, people who were regulars here got kicked off multiple times All of the above Andrew asked people to stop doing, and was ignored. And, yes, you participated in it. It is VERY MUCH the same as what has been going on in this thread.

Even at the height of tapegate mania, much of the discussion remained civil. You are incapable of rationally discussing politics with people who have views dissimilar to yours. You are the problem.

[Monker]

If Andrew says to stop posting crap for conservative nuthouse websites, than that should be the end of the discussion. There should be no debate on if it should be OK or not. If people don't like it, they can leave. This is not anybody's forum but Andrews and he runs it. It is not run by some type of consensus of opinion of the members, or some democratic vote, or who can win a debate for the "rules". Those who try to make it something else really shouldn't be here.

And right on cue, you enter the scene to continue to fan the flames of division. Instead of creating new brush fires, why don't you follow up on the multitude of lies you've posted on here. You previously said Comey's leaked memos on Trump meetings were harmless and not classified. Well, the IG has weighed in and disagrees. Poof! Another Monk lie blown to bits. That's your MO. You proliferate propaganda, and then when it's debunked, you never address it again. In my opinion, you're the main reason this thread has become so toxic.

And, instead of commenting on what YOU QUOTED, you go back to some conversation from YEARS ago and ask me to comment on it. Perhaps you should comment on the FACT that you don't own this forum and have no real influence over it whatsoever, that it is insulting when you take the directives of the forum owner and try to debate them, that when the forum is told to not post links for articles on conservative nutjob sites and people ignore that directive that they deserve to be banned.

[Monker]

When Backtalk members were trying to post here, you had a half dozen people jumping all over their asses, insulting them, inciting them, and generally bullying them until they either left or blew up and got kicked off. You had AR posting fat chick pics and mocking BT. You had people posting pics of people from BT for no other reason than to insult them because of their looks. And, yes, people who were regulars here got kicked off multiple times All of the above Andrew asked people to stop doing, and was ignored. And, yes, you participated in it. It is VERY MUCH the same as what has been going on in this thread.

Even at the height of tapegate mania, much of the discussion remained civil.

Oh, please. There is not much difference at all...in fact, I would say it was worse. The only real difference is that Andrew put his foot down and crushed the dissent....and there area a lot fewer posters.

You are incapable of rationally discussing politics with people who have views dissimilar to yours. You are the problem.

I really don't care what your opinion is of me.

[Monker]

Is his stance on student debt the same as Warrens? ( get the taxpayers to cover the loans
they signed for) he will have alot of support as he did before.

I believe Bernie wants to eliminate student debt via a financial transaction tax - which we should have in this country anyway.

I agree on the tax, it’s a fair one. It is however still taxpayer money correct? I never expected anyone to pay off the loans I obligated myself too. So why The subsidy ? I get that it’s too expensive, but they signed the agreement
What am I missing?

You are missing the fact that it will attract all of those college student votes, and maybe some of their parents, too.