The Food Thread

[SherriBerry]

Ehmwatt, I get what you are saying and that's the way this forum used to be and I used to laugh at most things, still actually do but there are some things that were way over the line even for here. Again, you don't know me so you have it in your mind that I am a prude and can't take a joke. Not true at all...that's why I took Dean a couple presents in Florida....I didn't want to intrude on their party at all, I just wanted to stop by just so he could see me as a person and then talk to me a little more respectfully on the forum that what he had. He had also made jokes about my love of art...I am an artist and I'm passionate about art but I did know he was joking so I took him a couple art related items because I knew he would get a smile from that.

See, we used to have an understanding a bit more after that. Back then he also quite joking with me in a vulgar manner and was more respectful. Along the way that understanding we had got lost and I won't hash it all out again but mistrust developed. Now Behshad and Dan are another story. B started in on me a long time ago. Maybe he was just joking but it didn't come across that way although I did try to just joke back in return many times both he and Dan increased the nastiness. That and another reason is why I have had good reason to not find this board so funny any more. Too many games played by too many people over time. It seems to me that it went downhill after whoever "susie" was caused problems where no one trusts anyone generally now unless they know them in person.....and then when Arnel was chosen for Journey then things became more mean spirited on here....also there was the trouble some woman named Kim caused....and then there has been the gossip problem and some ( I won't name names here to get them going) have even plotted going after other forum members with their friends. Some can deny it but it has happened.

When I first joined it was much more fun and people were more trusting and people for the most part were not as vicious. It's alright to joke but some go too far with it. So some may want to see the problem is just with me but it isn't. Keep it fun natured and I have no problem but if things are done and said that hurts someone, is discriminatory against some forum members then that is just not funny to me or many others.

As you say, some have to take some joking a bit better but I would also say that some need to be able to take some criticism a bit better too and not get all defensive and immediately jump to calling names when what was said wasn't done with namecalling at all. Thats not discussing something.

I just don't understand that if this place and how it is "now" is so awful for you than why do you come here and post? If it made
me feel the way you seem to feel about the people who are here on a daily basis, I would not come here....there are plenty of places on the internet that you can post on. I think this place can be over the top some days...but if I don't want to come here I am an adult and I can leave at anytime.

Jana once told me something in a PM and ever since the day she told me her wisdom about MR I have kept her words in my mind. I am the one in control here....If I don't like something that someone says to or about me it's my decision to stay or go....and as far as arguing in a PM it takes two to do so and I can always not read a message and hit the delete button...it's my choice.

I don't have any history with you here...all I know is what I read in your posts...I have not been one to pile on anyone here...but when you came into the thread that Linda started and basically expressed your unwillingness to donate and the less than supportive attitude toward what Andrew is working his ass off to make happen...I found it to be disrespectful and quite frankly rude.....and it brings upon the negative attention that you have said that you want no part of. I am not a part of any group, team or whatever you seem to think exists here....I have not met anyone here in person. I do think there are many great folks here who are very passionate about the music that I love...and yes we all have opinions.

Anyway that is my advice and opinion of why this all happens....and I am sure that you don't give a flying fuck what I think. I have been on the other end of the wrath that a post can create....I am adult enough to know that I had a part in receiving the wrath that was handed out....I asked for it....if you egg someone on here you have to be ready to get what you give...it has taken me 4000 posts to get it....I now do.

This is it for me...I am not going to fuel the fire as they say....and without fuel fire usually goes out.

Good post Portland.

[bluejeangirl76]

I just don't understand that if this place and how it is "now" is so awful for you than why do you come here and post? If it made me feel the way you seem to feel about the people who are here on a daily basis, I would not come here....there are plenty of places on the internet that you can post on. I think this place can be over the top some days...but if I don't want to come here I am an adult and I can leave at anytime.

Jana once told me something in a PM and ever since the day she told me her wisdom about MR I have kept her words in my mind. I am the one in control here....If I don't like something that someone says to or about me it's my decision to stay or go....and as far as arguing in a PM it takes two to do so and I can always not read a message and hit the delete button...it's my choice.

I don't have any history with you here...all I know is what I read in your posts...I have not been one to pile on anyone here...but when you came into the thread that Linda started and basically expressed your unwillingness to donate and the less than supportive attitude toward what Andrew is working his ass off to make happen...I found it to be disrespectful and quite frankly rude.....and it brings upon the negative attention that you have said that you want no part of. I am not a part of any group, team or whatever you seem to think exists here....I have not met anyone here in person. I do think there are many great folks here who are very passionate about the music that I love...and yes we all have opinions.

Anyway that is my advice and opinion of why this all happens....and I am sure that you don't give a flying fuck what I think. I have been on the other end of the wrath that a post can create....I am adult enough to know that I had a part in receiving the wrath that was handed out....I asked for it....if you egg someone on here you have to be ready to get what you give...it has taken me 4000 posts to get it....I now do.

This is it for me...I am not going to fuel the fire as they say....and without fuel fire usually goes out.

Good post Portland.

Indeed - very good post.

Too add a bit to it - someone posted something the other day about not being "accepted" until you've attended a show or met people, or something - I apologize, I don't remember who said it and I'm not gonna search 30 pages - LOL!! But in way it's true, just not in the semi-negative way it sounded when I read that. The thing is, the internet is such a screwy thing, and can be dangerous, as a few people here seem to have found out with meeting people who are now the subject of some of these stories - I'm thankful that a lot of that was before "my time" because the drama thing is something I can't stand. I have had enough of that in my personal life, thanks.

But the other thing to realize is that there are always going to be clashing personalities and people who don't get along for whatever reason, and I think there is a lot of fuel that gets added to some of that with all the PMing and taking sides and all that. I've received PMs over the years that seemed to be fishing expeditions, trying to find out things about people or situations and anyone who has ever sent one of those PMs (not that they'd admit it - LOL) can tell you two things about me - I don't participate in that and I don't fuel the gossip. Even if I *do* "know something", my comments remain general and limited. And even when people ask me things that don't seem like fishing, but rather an honest inquiry, I still don't get into it for one simple reason - it isn't fair. The only time I will say something about anyone is if I know them personally and I feel they're getting a bad shake. And even then, I don't go giving details.

To the reverse of that, I've also had people randomly (meaning unsolicited) tell me things about other people - things that may or may not be true, I don't know (not the point), and I think it's because most of you know I don't do the gossip thing or the random PMing like "did you know this about that person..." that maybe I have this air of "she isn't gonna talk..." I'm not sure... but again, anyone who has communicated with me privately knows that I don't do that, and that if I and when I do hear things, they absolutely stay OFF this board.

I've seen what goes on and I have seen it happen to good friends of mine and I don't like it, but if it doesn't involve me directly, I stay out of it. Why? Again, it isn't fair, but I also wouldn't want some of those things to happen to me, or have people involved in my business, and karma is a serious bitch, so I'm not going to do it either.

I'm not perfect - I take part in a lot of the joking on-board and some of it is probably unnecessary (my humor can't help it sometimes). But it's like what Phyllis said last night - when someone you know in real life is joking around etc., you know their tone and how to take it but for the most part, in writing, the tone gets lost and the reader takes it differently than it was meant. And that is totally true. That even happens to me with people who know me really well!!

And I don't think there's any kind of "clique" mentality, for what it's worth. What I think is that there are a lot of people here who get along amazingly well and have a lot of fun together at shows and things like that. The thing is, in a "clique" situation, you have a group of people who are happy with each other and don't really want newbies. And that is NOT the case here.

I think pretty much everyone who know each other and participate in the meet-ups are more than welcoming of new people. I was leery of the same thing the first time, like "everyone knows each other and I'm the outside guy"... I "didn't feel like part of the board" (my "Behind The Message Board" premieres next month...). And I was being stupid. Everyone was great and no one cared that I was new. My advice is, just have fun, be yourself and don't be a drama queen or piss anyone off,. I can't say it anymore plain or honest than that.

[Jana]

uh-oh, bjg and portland are turning into blueskies. i'm at work and i have attention span disorder. i need shorter posts.

[bluejeangirl76]

uh-oh, bjg and portland are turning into blueskies. i'm at work and i have attention span disorder. i need shorter posts.

Well, at least my keyboard has an enter key. Be thankful it wasn't one paragraph.

[portland]

uh-oh, bjg and portland are turning into blueskies. i'm at work and i have attention span disorder. i need shorter posts.

Well, at least my keyboard has an enter key. Be thankful it wasn't one paragraph.

Hey mine either....enter was used several times....and Jana don't go getting a big head!!!

[Rockindeano]

uh-oh, bjg and portland are turning into blueskies. i'm at work and i have attention span disorder. i need shorter posts.

Well, at least my keyboard has an enter key. Be thankful it wasn't one paragraph.

Hey mine either....enter was used several times....and Jana don't go getting a big head!!! lol:

I have two big heads.

[Behshad]

uh-oh, bjg and portland are turning into blueskies. i'm at work and i have attention span disorder. i need shorter posts.

Well, at least my keyboard has an enter key. Be thankful it wasn't one paragraph.

Hey mine either....enter was used several times....and Jana don't go getting a big head!!! lol:

I have two big heads.

[Blueskies]

Look at Phyl try to smooth talk Dean,

Dean, There are 2 simple options if Phyl is truly seeking a truce once and for all....... The truce could be reached if

A) she started acting normal. Tried to look at our group as friends having fun rather than a " clique " out after her,,, her negativity has to go away. She needs to develop a sense of humor and try to realize that we are here to have fun.
She needs to learn to dish it back in a fun way. She always thinks that she is standing up for herself. But what she actualuy does is try to create a dust up and getting everyone involved so she can play the " I'm being gangbanged " victim card again.


B) leave. If this place is that horrible that she says it is , log out once and never log back in.


Fair enough , don't u think ?!

Its not the MR forum that's the main problem, it's the gossiping in PM and the offshoot forums that a member here starts where a group of friends, i.e. a "clique", gather. That in and of itself isn't a problem but when people start talking about members here and start gossip and attack threads about them to garner support from others due to the author holding a grudge, etc. then it develops an even broader scale "group think" which influences peoples views and tension and attitude is brought to this forum.

Many of us here know that the one called The Annex ended up causing a lot of bad blood between people. Many of us here that have been around awhile and especially those that were once a member of that offshoot forum know that there were indeed targeted planned attacks on people here on this forum from the clique that developed there.

I see the same thing happening on your offshoot forum, Beshad.
For example this thread started this week with me as the "topic" to discuss..

http://newwtf.forums1.net/wisdomtruthfr ... -t2131.htm


This is nothing but an example of gossip that causes bad blood between folks. It's stupid and childish. I don't think any right minded person would not see why I may have developed a bit of an attitude about a group of people here who participate in this kind of thing and yet they try to say the problem is all me and that they are just innocent "victims". Which is too ridiculous not to be funny. This is also just one example of a thread of this type. You have started several personal attack threads here on this forum as well, Beshad.

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

After that is the problem of people telling me to do as they say and not as they do. The you can dish it out but not take it, thing.

[bluejeangirl76]

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

well from what I can tell, those threads on other forums were started because of things that went on here at MR. The current one on B's board came up after you dumped on Linda's thread here and a dust up ensued. If I recall right, that thread didn't go up for a day or two after the battle began here. so the negativity wasn't brought from there to here, it was the other way around.

I can't speak about the annex, I was never involved in any of that, but B's board isn't some "private club" or "clique" - he can't help who chooses to join, but he has displayed the link in his sig (here) a number of different times, which to me, means that he is inviting anyone from here or anyone who lurks/reads here to become a member.

[Jana]

It's so nice to have Phyls back (after her sabbatical at the Buddhist retreat).

[Blueskies]

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

well from what I can tell, those threads on other forums were started because of things that went on here at MR. The current one on B's board came up after you dumped on Linda's thread here and a dust up ensued. If I recall right, that thread didn't go up for a day or two after the battle began here. so the negativity wasn't brought from there to here, it was the other way around.

I can't speak about the annex, I was never involved in any of that, but B's board isn't some "private club" or "clique" - he can't help who chooses to join, but he has displayed the link in his sig (here) a number of different times, which to me, means that he is inviting anyone from here or anyone who lurks/reads here to become a member.

There have been other threads started not just this one this week and there have been threads started to talk about other people here too, not just me. The same thing went on in the previous offshoot forum. There is no justification for it either. It's just a way to gossip between several people instead of just the one to one way in PM. Another term for a gathering of a group of like minded friends that bond together is a clique. Don't know why that word bothers, it is what it is.

[steveo777]

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

well from what I can tell, those threads on other forums were started because of things that went on here at MR. The current one on B's board came up after you dumped on Linda's thread here and a dust up ensued. If I recall right, that thread didn't go up for a day or two after the battle began here. so the negativity wasn't brought from there to here, it was the other way around.

I can't speak about the annex, I was never involved in any of that, but B's board isn't some "private club" or "clique" - he can't help who chooses to join, but he has displayed the link in his sig (here) a number of different times, which to me, means that he is inviting anyone from here or anyone who lurks/reads here to become a member.

There have been other threads started not just this one this week. There is no justification for it either. It's just a way to gossip between several people instead of just the one to one way in PM.

Moooooooooooooommmmmm.......They're picking on me again!!!

[portland]

I am just going back to my original idea of how to deal with all of this DRAMA!!!.....who really fucking cares!!

[Behshad]

What a boatload of crap !!
You are trying to muddy up the water once more and get away with it, but you wont this time,


You said clearly that people like me and Dan , HERE AT MR, cause negativity and scare people away, from this place. FACT

People will use the PM function as long as it exits. FACT

Your actions and open attacks on numerous people here and other boards has NOTHING to do with PMs. FACT!

You coming here trying to create a topic where you know people will attack you as a gang, is a proof that YOU require this attention to keep giving yourself an "atta girl" , even it means you look like a psycho bitch to everyone else. FACT


WTF isnt a place of gossiping BEHIND your back. youre a fucking member there for fucks sake and you have voiced your opinion there anytime you wish. FACT


So basically, with your logic, if WTF, Annex and all public or private boards would shut down, and people would reveal to you what theyre PMing to eachother , and Andrew listenting more to you and not even considering an MRF III and everyone shower you with sweet words and welcoming you every morning with a warm welcome GOOD MORNING , then you will behave and act as a normal person?

I say no truce and go fuck yourself.

And we can take it in as much as we dish it out,,, but none of us runs around with the victim card in hand asking for sympathy due to gangbang from the clique.

If anything, youre the so called adult whos been here on this planet longer than us,,,, you should set an example,,,, you make it seem like Dan , Dean and I are the only ones with the personal attacks.... we have many dust ups here amongst eachother, but I can guarantee you that I could have a beer and hang out with ANYONE that I have had any feuds with, BUT YOU! Even Jeremey and I had a great time hanging out and have a good old time..... Its cause we all know that we can still be friends without having to agree with eachother......
But in your case, you manage to push peoples buttons,, not only vile weird freaks ones as you refer to Me and Dan,,, but also those who at some point were normal to you,,,,,

So I say, either grow the fuck up, or enjoy the fucking show! You are more than welcome to cast your opinion at any of the boards,,, but when you get 10 people going after you at the same time, think for one second and realize that maybe its not just your opinions they are disagreeing with, but mainly your personality and your main PURPOSE of sharing those opinions.

[steveo777]

What a boatload of crap !!
You are trying to muddy up the water once more and get away with it, but you wont this time,


You said clearly that people like me and Dan , HERE AT MR, cause negativity and scare people away, from this place. FACT

People will use the PM function as long as it exits. FACT

Your actions and open attacks on numerous people here and other boards has NOTHING to do with PMs. FACT!

You coming here trying to create a topic where you know people will attack you as a gang, is a proof that YOU require this attention to keep giving yourself an "atta girl" , even it means you look like a psycho bitch to everyone else. FACT


WTF isnt a place of gossiping BEHIND your back. youre a fucking member there for fucks sake and you have voiced your opinion there anytime you wish. FACT


So basically, with your logic, if WTF, Annex and all public or private boards would shut down, and people would reveal to you what theyre PMing to eachother , and Andrew listenting more to you and not even considering an MRF III and everyone shower you with sweet words and welcoming you every morning with a warm welcome GOOD MORNING , then you will behave and act as a normal person?

I say no truce and go fuck yourself.

And we can take it in as much as we dish it out,,, but none of us runs around with the victim card in hand asking for sympathy due to gangbang from the clique.

If anything, youre the so called adult whos been here on this planet longer than us,,,, you should set an example,,,, you make it seem like Dan , Dean and I are the only ones with the personal attacks.... we have many dust ups here amongst eachother, but I can guarantee you that I could have a beer and hang out with ANYONE that I have had any feuds with, BUT YOU! Even Jeremey and I had a great time hanging out and have a good old time..... Its cause we all know that we can still be friends without having to agree with eachother......
But in your case, you manage to push peoples buttons,, not only vile weird freaks ones as you refer to Me and Dan,,, but also those who at some point were normal to you,,,,,

So I say, either grow the fuck up, or enjoy the fucking show! You are more than welcome to cast your opinion at any of the boards,,, but when you get 10 people going after you at the same time, think for one second and realize that maybe its not just your opinions they are disagreeing with, but mainly your personality and your main PURPOSE of sharing those opinions.

So much for a cease fire.

[Blueskies]

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

well from what I can tell, those threads on other forums were started because of things that went on here at MR. The current one on B's board came up after you dumped on Linda's thread here and a dust up ensued. If I recall right, that thread didn't go up for a day or two after the battle began here. so the negativity wasn't brought from there to here, it was the other way around.

I can't speak about the annex, I was never involved in any of that, but B's board isn't some "private club" or "clique" - he can't help who chooses to join, but he has displayed the link in his sig (here) a number of different times, which to me, means that he is inviting anyone from here or anyone who lurks/reads here to become a member.

There have been other threads started not just this one this week. There is no justification for it either. It's just a way to gossip between several people instead of just the one to one way in PM.

Moooooooooooooommmmmm.......They're picking on me again!!!

No, it's not a matter of being "picked on" ...it's calling some on their actions, handing back what has been given. It's also not feeling bad due to names called. Trust me the name calling has no affect on me what so ever because i am very strong and self assurred ...namecalling is , stupid and childish nonsense which reflects reflects badly on the person doing it not the person they do it to. It's always a indicator of low self esteem in the person that has to call other names and taunts like a grade school bully. Bully's become bullys due to their low self esteem, they try to put down others in a sad attempt to boost themselves up.

[Behshad]

So much for a cease fire.

I told her what options she had for a cease fire, in a friendly way ,,,, but its obvious, you cant cure crazy. Simple.

Its on ,like Donkey Kong beyotch !

[Behshad]

So like I said, it's not MR that's "horrible" or all of the people on it. It's the offshoot forums like yours that just brew more negativity which is then brought here by some as well as the one on one gossiping that goes on in PM.

well from what I can tell, those threads on other forums were started because of things that went on here at MR. The current one on B's board came up after you dumped on Linda's thread here and a dust up ensued. If I recall right, that thread didn't go up for a day or two after the battle began here. so the negativity wasn't brought from there to here, it was the other way around.

I can't speak about the annex, I was never involved in any of that, but B's board isn't some "private club" or "clique" - he can't help who chooses to join, but he has displayed the link in his sig (here) a number of different times, which to me, means that he is inviting anyone from here or anyone who lurks/reads here to become a member.

There have been other threads started not just this one this week. There is no justification for it either. It's just a way to gossip between several people instead of just the one to one way in PM.

Moooooooooooooommmmmm.......They're picking on me again!!!

No, it's not a matter of being "picked on" ...it's calling some on their actions, handing back what has been given. It's also not feeling bad due to names called. Trust me the name calling has no affect on me what so ever because i am very strong and self assurred ...namecalling is , stupid and childish nonsense which reflects reflects badly on the person doing it not the person they do it to. It's always a indicator of low self esteem in the person that has to call other names and taunts like a grade school bully. Bully's become bullys due to their low self esteem, they try to put down others in a sad attempt to boost themselves up.

If name calling is childish and stiupid, may I ask why you do the same ?

[bluejeangirl76]

and Andrew listenting more to you and not even considering an MRF III

Hey whoa, I'm already making MRF3 plans. Don't piss on my parade.

If anything, youre the so called adult whos been here on this planet longer than us,,,,

annnnd... cue Dan....

[Blueskies]

The truth is the truth Beshad. For quite awhile now you and SJ have been the only ones targeting people and attacking like you did in the start of this thread to someone else and you have done it numerous times over the last few years. I along with many think that Dan is an asshole and he even takes pride in that. ...but you are the biggest problem here, imo. You are more transparent then you think. I also think you are a bit physchotic with your mind games. I don't want anything further to do with you...never did but you keep trying to get my attention by any means and have for a long time. Kindly not address me further and I won't address you. Pretty simple solution.

[DrFU]

It's so nice to have Phyls back (after her sabbatical at the Buddhist retreat).

Must have been reading MR on the iPhone during the session on non-attachment ...

Cliff's Note's version: the path out of suffering lies in LETTING THINGS GO ... the tighter you cling to perceived wrongs, the more external validation you seek from others, the more score-keeping you engage in, the more you try to control the behavior of others, the more YOU suffer.

[Michigan Girl]

This thread is on the verge of catching up w/Obama's first term ...in record time!!

[Blueskies]

It's so nice to have Phyls back (after her sabbatical at the Buddhist retreat).

Must have been reading MR on the iPhone during the session on non-attachment ...

Cliff's Note's version: the path out of suffering lies in LETTING THINGS GO ... the tighter you cling to perceived wrongs, the more external validation you seek from others, the more score-keeping you engage in, the more you try to control the behavior of others, the more YOU suffer.

You are trying to perform arm chair physiology on a music message forum??? what happened to thinking it was wrong of me to post quotes? I guess some here just have the right to post a quote or give a critique and/ or their opinion, right?

[Behshad]

The truth is the truth Beshad. For quite awhile now you and SJ have been the only ones targeting people and attacking like you did in the start of this thread to someone else and you have done it numerous times over the last few years. I along with many think that Dan is an asshole and he even takes pride in that. ...but you are the biggest problem here, imo. You are more transparent then you think. I also think you are a bit physchotic with your mind games. I don't want anything further to do with you...never did but you keep trying to get my attention by any means and have for a long time. Kindly not address me further and I won't address you. Pretty simple solution.

I will address you any fucking time I want to . If Im that fucking transparent as you state I am, its cause I got nothing to hide,,,, Im here for the fun,,, and as I tried to get it through your thick skull, its all fun and games and I can fight with anyone and have a beer with them and have a blast the next time I see them,,,, any person from here that have met me can vouch that I am normal. Can you say the same about those who met you !?
And I am the biggest problem here, cause I choose to support and promote Andrew's site. You dont. I guess Andrew would like to see more big problems here.

And I will simply address you to shut the fuck up and dont seek anymore of my attention. Can you do that ?

[bluejeangirl76]

I along with many think that

Wow. You say that A LOT.

Who are the "many" and what do they have to do with this? I'd be more inclined to believe that if I saw even one of these "many" popping in to agree with you on any one of these 30 pages, so let just speak for ourselves here and let the "many" worry about stating their own opinions.

[steveo777]

I along with many think that

Wow. You say that A LOT.

Who are the "many" and what do they have to do with this? I'd be more inclined to believe that if I saw even one of these "many" popping in to agree with you on any one of these 30 pages, so let just speak for ourselves here and let the "many" worry about stating their own opinions.

I'm one of the many.....the many people who think this woman, Phylis, has Bats in her Belfry.

[Behshad]

I along with many think that

Wow. You say that A LOT.

Who are the "many" and what do they have to do with this? I'd be more inclined to believe that if I saw even one of these "many" popping in to agree with you on any one of these 30 pages, so let just speak for ourselves here and let the "many" worry about stating their own opinions.

[Behshad]

I along with many think that

Wow. You say that A LOT.

Who are the "many" and what do they have to do with this? I'd be more inclined to believe that if I saw even one of these "many" popping in to agree with you on any one of these 30 pages, so let just speak for ourselves here and let the "many" worry about stating their own opinions.

I'm one of the many.....the many people who think this woman, Phylis, has Bats in her Belfry.

I along with many others, agree !

[portland]

and Andrew listenting more to you and not even considering an MRF III

Hey whoa, I'm already making MRF3 plans. Don't piss on my parade.

If anything, youre the so called adult whos been here on this planet longer than us,,,,

annnnd... cue Dan....

Isn't a little early in the day for his entrance???

[Angel]

It's so nice to have Phyls back (after her sabbatical at the Buddhist retreat).

Must have been reading MR on the iPhone during the session on non-attachment ...

Cliff's Note's version: the path out of suffering lies in LETTING THINGS GO ... the tighter you cling to perceived wrongs, the more external validation you seek from others, the more score-keeping you engage in, the more you try to control the behavior of others, the more YOU suffer.

You are trying to perform arm chair physiology on a music message forum??? what happened to thinking it was wrong of me to post quotes? I guess some here just have the right to post a quote or give a critique and/ or their opinion, right?

Yep, "arm chair physiology" sure isn't working on you is it Phyllis....

Hey Linda, try some arm chair "psychiatry" maybe that might help. If you can't figure out how her organs work from your armchair, maybe you can help her deal with mental issues.