RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
Moderator: Andrew
RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
Andrew wrote:Russia is not a hoax. Whatever way you look at it, Trump and the GOP have sold out to Putin. Literally everything he wants to happen IS happening.
Memorex wrote:Andrew wrote:Russia is not a hoax. Whatever way you look at it, Trump and the GOP have sold out to Putin. Literally everything he wants to happen IS happening.
Like what? Our great economy? Getting Ukraine the military help? The sanctions Trump put on Russia? I guess I'm too stupid to see it.
Andrew wrote:Aaron wrote:There's one thing you're missing, we don't GAF about the world, free riders in Greece, etc. Fund you're own dumb shit if you want but don't rely on us to support your dumb shit.
That sums up exactly what I think Trump supporters stand for. And it will end you up in a whole world of shit...eventually.
The ROTW doesn't leech of the USA, it's just NOT true. USA puts in money (and extra on military etc) where it wants to be an influence. Take that away and the USA's influence over ANYTHING in the future is going to be nil.
You guys act the tough guys, but that's because you have (had) power and influence. The world sees Trump as a joke and you guys may not care now, but you WILL care one day.
That's it from me....you can't talk logic to followers of a guy that needs to flush 15 times.
RPM wrote:What a great week for President Trump, secured a new trade deal with our biggest partners. secured funding for the government including money for the border wall, and created a new branch of our military. The best part is the Christmas gift from Pelosi & Schiff virtually guaranteeing his second term. The Stock market obviously agrees hitting another record high.
Aaron wrote:Look at NATO. It was put in place to protect Europe from the USSR. he USSR is gone but Russia is still there. And Europe has a great relationship with Russia. Germany buys 70% of their energy from Russia. But we need NATO to protect Europe, really? It should have been dissolved decades ago. It's now a mechanism to milk the US of $. Follow the money.
Aaron wrote:Dude did you watch the "hearings"? Or are you listening to what the media spins to you. I watched 80% of the theater in DC. It was total BS. No direct witnesses or evidence of any crime.
There was a lot hearsay and second hand information but zero evidence of any crime.
If you really watched the "hearings" you would know this. You're loosing credibility if you're running on media spin. I watched it, you couldn't have. If you looked at the data you could not have that view.
Aaron wrote:You'll be pissed when the results roll in. The only people that don't like him are the folks looking for a free ride, free healthcare, free citizenship, free school, free free free. The rest of the country paying the bills don't have an issue. He'll win in a landslide and you heard it here first.
Aaron wrote:It will be dismissed for lack of evidence like any competent court would respond.RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
Aaron wrote:Come on Drew. You've been beating the drum and when I drop the mic with truth you're out? No way, you're stronger than this.
The facts are when the US puts in "aid" money in one generation that culture wants to kill us. Name it, Libia, Iran, etc. We help, times change and now they want to kill us.
Trump is a disrupter and is changing the balance of power with bureaucrats.
Aaron wrote:It will be dismissed for lack of evidence like any competent court would respond.RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Look at NATO. It was put in place to protect Europe from the USSR. he USSR is gone but Russia is still there. And Europe has a great relationship with Russia. Germany buys 70% of their energy from Russia. But we need NATO to protect Europe, really? It should have been dissolved decades ago. It's now a mechanism to milk the US of $. Follow the money.
And, the only time Charter 5 of NATO has been invoked, which calls other nations together in the collective defense of an attack on an allied nation, was after the US was attacked on 9/11. It does not just "protect Europe" and if it were dissolved when the USSR fell, the response to 9/11 may have been quite different.
Also, it is true that the USSR does not exist, but it is obvious that Putin wants to expand Russia power and world influence in a similar way. There are also other threats in the world such as China, North Korea, Iran, etc.
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Dude did you watch the "hearings"? Or are you listening to what the media spins to you. I watched 80% of the theater in DC. It was total BS. No direct witnesses or evidence of any crime.
You are willfully ignorant that there does not need to be a crime to impeach a President. The House could have impeached him because he is the wrong shade of orange, or his hair is fake. All you are doing is repeating Republican talking points which are simply lies.There was a lot hearsay and second hand information but zero evidence of any crime.
His "crime" was abuse of power. The evidence was the transcript, his own public admission to doing it, and then repeating the same with China, and a bunch of witnesses that backed that evidence. He is OBVIOUSLY guilty of abusing his power as President.If you really watched the "hearings" you would know this. You're loosing credibility if you're running on media spin. I watched it, you couldn't have. If you looked at the data you could not have that view.
And, if you understood impeachment, you would not be arguing about "crimes".
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:You'll be pissed when the results roll in. The only people that don't like him are the folks looking for a free ride, free healthcare, free citizenship, free school, free free free. The rest of the country paying the bills don't have an issue. He'll win in a landslide and you heard it here first.
This is just flat out not true. There are plenty of traditional Republicans who do not like Trump because of his ethics. So much so that they left the part and are independents now. You would call them "never Trumpers".
Throwing out this idea that only liberals are against him is flat out not true.
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:It will be dismissed for lack of evidence like any competent court would respond.RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
That is very doubtful. I'm sure there will be some motion to dismiss and then a voice vote, and then a real vote...and I would bet there are enough Republicans who want this to play out that it will go to a full trial.
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Come on Drew. You've been beating the drum and when I drop the mic with truth you're out? No way, you're stronger than this.
The facts are when the US puts in "aid" money in one generation that culture wants to kill us. Name it, Libia, Iran, etc. We help, times change and now they want to kill us.
As I have said, if you want to stop aid to other nations, start with Israel. Until people like you say you are willing to stop aid to Israel, then you are just all talk and bullshit politics.Trump is a disrupter and is changing the balance of power with bureaucrats.
That is just nuts. The only shift in the balance of power among nations is that the US is no longer being taken seriously on the world stage. A "disrupter", that's hillarious.
RPM wrote:Aaron wrote:It will be dismissed for lack of evidence like any competent court would respond.RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
He will be Become the first President in our history to be impeached by the house, acquitted by the senate and re- elected.
And we have all seen the ending before it even started.
Aaron wrote:Man, because I have a different view than you I'm ignorant?
The constitution documents "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" as reason for impeachment. This was put in place based on the risk identified when Benedict Arnold rolled over for England.
You can claim my ignorance based on technicality and you're right, the House can impeach him on anything. Dig out of your pedantic points as a right fighter and look at the big picture.
Where is the evidence of abuse of power? Show me please.
And it's all for not anyhow. The House builds the case and the Senate tries the case.
It will never get out of the Senate.
So why do we continue wasting our money on this silly stuff?
RPM wrote:Aaron wrote:It will be dismissed for lack of evidence like any competent court would respond.RPM wrote:Can’t wait for this to get to the senate, Then the fun really starts.
He will be Become the first President in our history to be impeached by the house, acquitted by the senate and re- elected.
And we have all seen the ending before it even started.
Aaron wrote:It's a prediction so who knows whether it's true or not. I called it in 2016 and I'll call it again, Trump will win in a land slide in 2020. You cant't argue with results.
And you are right, there are a lot of traditional RINO's that are rowing against him as well. It goes back to him disrupting the power of the so called DC "experts".
Aaron wrote:Israel is one of the few countries that should qualify for aid.
Why would you not help Israel?
Trump is clearly not a politician.
You need to look at the results and quit listening to filtered info from the BS media. Stock market, all time high.
Return this year in the market, 30%.
Lowest unemployment in history.
What else do you need to know?
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Man, because I have a different view than you I'm ignorant?
No. I said you are "willfully ignorant". That means that you are in denial of the truth. You do not want to learn the truth.The constitution documents "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" as reason for impeachment. This was put in place based on the risk identified when Benedict Arnold rolled over for England.
This is completely wrong. It is just as wrong as saying the electoral college was put in place to balance city vs. country.
The "high crimes and misdemeanors" bit exist specifically to address abuse of power. I already quoted things on this.You can claim my ignorance based on technicality and you're right, the House can impeach him on anything. Dig out of your pedantic points as a right fighter and look at the big picture.
Small words from a small mind, trying to attack what it doesn't understand.Where is the evidence of abuse of power? Show me please.
Transcript. Trump admitting to it.And it's all for not anyhow. The House builds the case and the Senate tries the case.
Not true. The House decides if a trial is warranted. The Senate does the trial. There is nothing specific in the Constitution that says the House must gather all the evidence and the Senate does the trial based only on that evidence.It will never get out of the Senate.
That is a guess...there is no way for you to know that for absolute certain.So why do we continue wasting our money on this silly stuff?
Because the Constitution says we have to. And, a President abusing his power is not silly.
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Israel is one of the few countries that should qualify for aid.
So, when you said that country get aid for a year and then they want to kill us, you were wrong.
But, you are wrong. If saving money on foreign aid is an objective, than cutting Israel off should be first on the list. If you can stomach that, then you are not serious about it. And, it sounds like you are not serious about it and are repeating political bullshit.Why would you not help Israel?
They get multiple BILLIONS of dollars of our aid. If you are going to bitch and complain about foreign aid, then they should be top on your list because they receive more aid than almost any other country.Trump is clearly not a politician.
Yes he is, he is just a very bad one.You need to look at the results and quit listening to filtered info from the BS media. Stock market, all time high.
If you truly watch what is being said, we are in a HUGE bubble right now...when it bursts, it is going to be bad, really bad.Return this year in the market, 30%.
For what reason? Trade wars, interest rates on bonds are reversed, slow growth in manufacturing, etc. At some point there will be a trigger and the bottom is going to fall out...there is no real reason for stock returns to be that high.Lowest unemployment in history.
And, that is just continuing a trend dating back to Obama. Funny how a a few years ago people were quoting these numbers and people like you were saying the "real" unemployment was %20, and Trump was saying the numbers were fake and unemployment was at %30. The truth is that Trump did very little for this.What else do you need to know?
I want to know why you think this economy is going to carry the election when polls show 70% agree that the economy is good but 50% want Trump removed from office.
Aaron wrote:Just because you quote something does not make if fact.
You can call me a small mind all you want.
Because you disagree with my view
you only can come back with derogatory words to back up your "Big Brain"?
You can't argue the facts so you only can revert to calling names?
You must be from a big city. And you must be an under achiever. And you use your pedantic information to fuel your own self worth because you it's all you have.
It's why you have the time to go sentence by sentence presenting your case lacking of real practicability or looking at the big picture.
It's the only thing you have when you have nothing but bullshite and pedantics driving your message. You can't back up your shite with data so you fall back to name calling. Get a brain and come to the party. You won't.
Aaron wrote:You are an incompetent clown and don't deserve any real responses. You ignore history and run in your own mind.
I now expect a word by word analysis by a dmfk that thinks that means something. It's coming LOL ...Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Israel is one of the few countries that should qualify for aid.
So, when you said that country get aid for a year and then they want to kill us, you were wrong.
But, you are wrong. If saving money on foreign aid is an objective, than cutting Israel off should be first on the list. If you can stomach that, then you are not serious about it. And, it sounds like you are not serious about it and are repeating political bullshit.Why would you not help Israel?
They get multiple BILLIONS of dollars of our aid. If you are going to bitch and complain about foreign aid, then they should be top on your list because they receive more aid than almost any other country.Trump is clearly not a politician.
Yes he is, he is just a very bad one.You need to look at the results and quit listening to filtered info from the BS media. Stock market, all time high.
If you truly watch what is being said, we are in a HUGE bubble right now...when it bursts, it is going to be bad, really bad.Return this year in the market, 30%.
For what reason? Trade wars, interest rates on bonds are reversed, slow growth in manufacturing, etc. At some point there will be a trigger and the bottom is going to fall out...there is no real reason for stock returns to be that high.Lowest unemployment in history.
And, that is just continuing a trend dating back to Obama. Funny how a a few years ago people were quoting these numbers and people like you were saying the "real" unemployment was %20, and Trump was saying the numbers were fake and unemployment was at %30. The truth is that Trump did very little for this.What else do you need to know?
I want to know why you think this economy is going to carry the election when polls show 70% agree that the economy is good but 50% want Trump removed from office.
RPM wrote:President Trump gets more judges approved.
The Senate on Thursday confirmed 12 more of President Donald Trump's judicial nominees, just hours before leaving for Christmas recess.
The final confirmations for 2019 come as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has turned his attention to approving district court nominees, after filling virtually every circuit court vacancy.
The confirmations this week bring the total number of judicial confirmations for 2019 to 20 circuit judges and 67 district judges. Senate Republicans last week confirmed Trump’s 50th circuit judge.
Monker wrote:Aaron wrote:Just because you quote something does not make if fact.
Fact: The original 13 colonies were BRITISH colonies. The history of the concept of impeachment in Brittan dates back to the 1400's...which was used to remove royalty who abused their power. The founders were well schooled in the concept.
Fact: Alexander Hamilton wrote that the US borrowed the impeachment process from the Brittish, "
Fact: Alexander Hamilton introduced the impeachment clause with the words "“mal- and corrupt conduct” instead of "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Facts: James Madison saw the Impeachment Clause as “indispensable . . . for defending the Community [against] the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate.” Elbridge Gerry stated that impeachment was needed as a check against presidential abuse of power. “A good magistrate will not fear [impeachments]. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them,” he argued. George Mason then refuted Morris’ argument that only the President’s assistants should face the impeachment process. “No point is of more importance than that the right of impeachment should be continued. Shall any man be above Justice?” he asked. Benjamin Franklin also said, in his unique way, the impeachment was preferable to the more traditional way of removing a monarch in Europe – by death.
Fact: The first constitution, the "Articles of Confederation", created a very limited federal government and left most of the power to the states. Impeachment was written in many of the original state constitutions. Today, all states except Oregon allow for the impeachment of the governor for abuse of power.
Fact: Adding the impeachment clause had NOTHING to do with Benedict Arnold...it had EVERYTHING to do with the founders knowledge of British government, and the abuse of power by British kings.You can call me a small mind all you want.
Keep it in context. I replied to your attempted insult with "small words, from a small mind, trying to attack that which it doesn't understand".Because you disagree with my view
This is not a matter of opinion. Some of what you say are stating as facts, which absolutely are not.you only can come back with derogatory words to back up your "Big Brain"?
Well, thank you. I never said that I had a big brain.
What I said was in reply to YOUR petty insult, calling me 'pedantic'. Get over it already.You can't argue the facts so you only can revert to calling names?
You have not presented any fact...just lot of incorrect assertions, and opinion.You must be from a big city. And you must be an under achiever. And you use your pedantic information to fuel your own self worth because you it's all you have.
Like I said, "....trying to attack what you don't understand." You don't know me.It's why you have the time to go sentence by sentence presenting your case lacking of real practicability or looking at the big picture.
Oh, please. I've posted this way for almost 30yrs. At one time, I would be bitched at for NOT quoting. This way you know EXACTLY what I am replying...and so do I if I need to go back and read the post.It's the only thing you have when you have nothing but bullshite and pedantics driving your message. You can't back up your shite with data so you fall back to name calling. Get a brain and come to the party. You won't.
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