They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[RPM]

Truth: It's time to fire the so-called experts.

You know the ones. They're the liberal economists with overpriced Ivy League degrees who told us that if Donald Trump were to get elected president in 2016, the economy would crash.

Fast-forward to today: More than $17 trillion in value has been added to the global stock market in 2019, with the U.S. reaping the biggest gains, according to a recent analysis by Deutsche Bank. The Dow Jones Industrial Average, the S&P 500 and the Russell 2000 have all seen massive growth in the Trump economy -- more than 20 percent this year -- with American tech companies leading the pack.

This is a sharp contrast to what a gamut of left-leaning "experts" predicted including The New York Times chief economist Paul Krugman, who told us after Trump won the 2016 election: "So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened."

Huh? Krugman ought to take a bite of this apple: One of the world's most valuable companies, Apple Inc., saw an 80 percent increase in its stock value in 2019. While Amazon announced a record holiday shopping season. Software giant Microsoft reaped a 55 percent increase this year, while Facebook soared 57 percent in value -- just to name a few U.S. companies whose employees and shareholders are enjoying a golden age of prosperity under the current administration.

Same goes for all Americans who are benefitting from historically low unemployment -- including minorities and women -- and the jobs bonanza, which is lifting millions out of poverty and revitalizing the American dream.

Under the current administration, we've seen a rate increase of 3.1 percent for wages year over year. Fox Business reported, "Average hourly earnings are $28.29 with a week of take-home pay averaging $973.18 compared to $943.59 in November 2018."

That means labor workers and the middle class are benefitting -- not just the 1 percent -- like Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., falsely claim on the campaign trail.

We've also seen the creation of 500,000 manufacturing jobs, new and better trade deals on the horizon with China, and the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, the last of which is estimated to create 176,000 jobs and add $68.2 billion to the U.S. economy, according to a study by the U.S. International Trade Commission this year.

If that's not enough winning for you, also consider the relentless surge in consumer optimism. Bloomberg's Consumer Confidence Index reported an increase to 62.3 percent in the week ending Dec. 22, up from 61.1 percent. "Record stock prices, unemployment at a five-decade low and steady wage gains continue to lift spirits, putting the 2019 average sentiment level on track for the best since the 1999-2000 dot-com boom," reported Bloomberg the day after Christmas.

Translation: It's time to uncork the champagne and celebrate America's unrivaled prosperity.

Needless to say, it's a good thing that the 63 million Americans who voted for Trump in the last presidential cycle didn't listen to the "experts" -- or the bottomless pit of naysayers in the media -- whose predictions about the economy and other topics proved worthless.

After all, these are some of the same "experts" who told us Hillary Clinton would win the 2016 election, Brexit wouldn't happen, and that Trump and his 2016 campaign colluded with Russia, a conspiracy theory that's since been debunked by multiple congressional and Department of Justice investigations including a 22-month special counsel probe that found no such evidence.

Bottom line: With the 2020 election approaching, the American people should continue to trust their own instincts, pay stubs and 401(k)s rather than the "experts." That's a far more reliable barometer, wouldn't you say than Andrew or his puppet?

[Monker]

To use a line that the evangelicals know well, man does not eat on bread alone.

Right now, the economy is not going to win Trump the election. 75% approve of the economy. 50% want Trump removed from office. 40 - 45% job approval....and still losing nationally to every top tier Democrat.

Truth: It's time to fire the so-called experts.

You know the ones. They're the liberal economists with overpriced Ivy League degrees who told us that if Donald Trump were to get elected president in 2016, the economy would crash.

Fast-forward to today: More than $17 trillion in value has been added to the global stock market in 2019, with the U.S. reaping the biggest gains, according to a recent analysis by Deutsche Bank. The Dow Jones Industrial Average, the S&P 500 and the Russell 2000 have all seen massive growth in the Trump economy -- more than 20 percent this year -- with American tech companies leading the pack.

This is a sharp contrast to what a gamut of left-leaning "experts" predicted including The New York Times chief economist Paul Krugman, who told us after Trump won the 2016 election: "So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened."

Huh? Krugman ought to take a bite of this apple: One of the world's most valuable companies, Apple Inc., saw an 80 percent increase in its stock value in 2019. While Amazon announced a record holiday shopping season. Software giant Microsoft reaped a 55 percent increase this year, while Facebook soared 57 percent in value -- just to name a few U.S. companies whose employees and shareholders are enjoying a golden age of prosperity under the current administration.

Same goes for all Americans who are benefitting from historically low unemployment -- including minorities and women -- and the jobs bonanza, which is lifting millions out of poverty and revitalizing the American dream.

Under the current administration, we've seen a rate increase of 3.1 percent for wages year over year. Fox Business reported, "Average hourly earnings are $28.29 with a week of take-home pay averaging $973.18 compared to $943.59 in November 2018."

That means labor workers and the middle class are benefitting -- not just the 1 percent -- like Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., falsely claim on the campaign trail.

We've also seen the creation of 500,000 manufacturing jobs, new and better trade deals on the horizon with China, and the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, the last of which is estimated to create 176,000 jobs and add $68.2 billion to the U.S. economy, according to a study by the U.S. International Trade Commission this year.

If that's not enough winning for you, also consider the relentless surge in consumer optimism. Bloomberg's Consumer Confidence Index reported an increase to 62.3 percent in the week ending Dec. 22, up from 61.1 percent. "Record stock prices, unemployment at a five-decade low and steady wage gains continue to lift spirits, putting the 2019 average sentiment level on track for the best since the 1999-2000 dot-com boom," reported Bloomberg the day after Christmas.

Translation: It's time to uncork the champagne and celebrate America's unrivaled prosperity.

Needless to say, it's a good thing that the 63 million Americans who voted for Trump in the last presidential cycle didn't listen to the "experts" -- or the bottomless pit of naysayers in the media -- whose predictions about the economy and other topics proved worthless.

After all, these are some of the same "experts" who told us Hillary Clinton would win the 2016 election, Brexit wouldn't happen, and that Trump and his 2016 campaign colluded with Russia, a conspiracy theory that's since been debunked by multiple congressional and Department of Justice investigations including a 22-month special counsel probe that found no such evidence.

Bottom line: With the 2020 election approaching, the American people should continue to trust their own instincts, pay stubs and 401(k)s rather than the "experts." That's a far more reliable barometer, wouldn't you say than Andrew or his puppet?

[Monker]

Brother, for once in a row I read your line by line comments. I don't disagree. What is your point? Where is it going? What are you trying to prove?

Dude, you went on about my saying I made previous quotes about the impeachment clause being about abuse of power. You said that just because I quote something does not make it true. Then you went on about facts and not knowing history, whatever. So, I quoted you the historical facts that show that impeachment was written to address potential abuse of power..

I've seen a lot of folks with high levels of seniority that we're dmfks and did negative work. I've been here for a while too but I'm a capability based person, not a seniority based person. It's clear you're showing your cards and explains your line by line responses.

I'm not saying I am better or worse than anybody else. I am saying I have been posting online for nearly 30yrs and quoting is the way I do it and there are reasons for it. You assumed things and used it as a basis to attempt to critique and insult me. Your assumptions are wrong.

Data:
Market is at an all time high
30% gain in the market this year
lowest unemployment in history for all

These are the facts and reasonable people will respond to these results with their vote.

"Reasonable" people also know that this is nothing new. They also know that when it was Obama hitting record highs and lower unemployment, that it was critiqued as lies by the very people who are now showcasing the numbers. Trump was saying we were at 30% unemployment and the very number you are now quoting was a lie. Trump also said the market was in a bubble...which I thought he was somewhat right, even back then. Now it is in a HUGE bubble that is becoming very dangerous. There is no reason for 30% gains this year. None.

Just because you quote something does not make if fact.

Fact: The original 13 colonies were BRITISH colonies. The history of the concept of impeachment in Brittan dates back to the 1400's...which was used to remove royalty who abused their power. The founders were well schooled in the concept.

Fact: Alexander Hamilton wrote that the US borrowed the impeachment process from the Brittish, "

Fact: Alexander Hamilton introduced the impeachment clause with the words "“mal- and corrupt conduct” instead of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

Facts: James Madison saw the Impeachment Clause as “indispensable . . . for defending the Community [against] the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate.” Elbridge Gerry stated that impeachment was needed as a check against presidential abuse of power. “A good magistrate will not fear [impeachments]. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them,” he argued. George Mason then refuted Morris’ argument that only the President’s assistants should face the impeachment process. “No point is of more importance than that the right of impeachment should be continued. Shall any man be above Justice?” he asked. Benjamin Franklin also said, in his unique way, the impeachment was preferable to the more traditional way of removing a monarch in Europe – by death.

Fact: The first constitution, the "Articles of Confederation", created a very limited federal government and left most of the power to the states. Impeachment was written in many of the original state constitutions. Today, all states except Oregon allow for the impeachment of the governor for abuse of power.

Fact: Adding the impeachment clause had NOTHING to do with Benedict Arnold...it had EVERYTHING to do with the founders knowledge of British government, and the abuse of power by British kings.

You can call me a small mind all you want.

Keep it in context. I replied to your attempted insult with "small words, from a small mind, trying to attack that which it doesn't understand".

Because you disagree with my view

This is not a matter of opinion. Some of what you say are stating as facts, which absolutely are not.

you only can come back with derogatory words to back up your "Big Brain"?

Well, thank you. I never said that I had a big brain.

What I said was in reply to YOUR petty insult, calling me 'pedantic'. Get over it already.

You can't argue the facts so you only can revert to calling names?

You have not presented any fact...just lot of incorrect assertions, and opinion.

You must be from a big city. And you must be an under achiever. And you use your pedantic information to fuel your own self worth because you it's all you have.

Like I said, "....trying to attack what you don't understand." You don't know me.

It's why you have the time to go sentence by sentence presenting your case lacking of real practicability or looking at the big picture.

Oh, please. I've posted this way for almost 30yrs. At one time, I would be bitched at for NOT quoting. This way you know EXACTLY what I am replying...and so do I if I need to go back and read the post.

It's the only thing you have when you have nothing but bullshite and pedantics driving your message. You can't back up your shite with data so you fall back to name calling. Get a brain and come to the party. You won't.

Blah, blah, blah.

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[RPM]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... compared-/

It is quite stunning how stupid Democratic politicians are. do they not realize that while the crowds are cheering
As they speak in L.A. or the East coast about killing off blue collar jobs that these "remarks" will be printed
And broadcast throughout our nation? or are they so overconfident that average Americans are glued to CNN
for the "truth"? Yet a man born into wealth, who has never had a callous in his life believes these "blue collar"
People are the strength of our nation along with our Military, Police, & first responders.

[Andrew]

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

[Memorex]

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

[RPM]

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

I think it’s ludicrous to discuss how Trumps policies regarding taxes & and the economy have failed when obviously
We are full steam ahead. Remember the impending recession they kept warning us about? Never happened. All smoke
And mirrors. That being said there are concerns that I do not hear either side talk about and that’s the deficit.
Trumps plan was 3% growth which he felt would keep it in check, however the deficit is getting worse. Maybe I missed it
But I haven’t heard one Dem or Rep. show any concern. The last President to really make difference in our debt was Clinton
And its why he got my vote. At some point the economy will slow down, doesn’t matter who is in there these things are
Cyclical. I hope in his second term it becomes a priority, they still haven’t passed any infrastructure which we desperately
Need and that will be very expensive. We have had one party solely focused on reversing an election instead of moving
Our country forward.

[Andrew]

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

Right...
All media from 3 different countries all pointing out facts using real data. Mmmmm...

[Aaron]

And I thought you bowed out due to lack of capability. Good man, and will read when I get a chance.

I still don't understand why you care so much bro? It's our country, not yours. Maybe you should immigrate?

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

[Aaron]

Truth!

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

[Aaron]

Some real truth by RPM, well done!

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

I think it’s ludicrous to discuss how Trumps policies regarding taxes & and the economy have failed when obviously
We are full steam ahead. Remember the impending recession they kept warning us about? Never happened. All smoke
And mirrors. That being said there are concerns that I do not hear either side talk about and that’s the deficit.
Trumps plan was 3% growth which he felt would keep it in check, however the deficit is getting worse. Maybe I missed it
But I haven’t heard one Dem or Rep. show any concern. The last President to really make difference in our debt was Clinton
And its why he got my vote. At some point the economy will slow down, doesn’t matter who is in there these things are
Cyclical. I hope in his second term it becomes a priority, they still haven’t passed any infrastructure which we desperately
Need and that will be very expensive. We have had one party solely focused on reversing an election instead of moving
Our country forward.

[Aaron]

You should have a look sir. 80% of the media here create their narrative to support their claim. Open your eyes and quit being spoon fed shite they want you to believe. You are very naive sir. If you lived here you'd likely have another view.

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

Right...
All media from 3 different countries all pointing out facts using real data. Mmmmm...

[Andrew]

You should have a look sir. 80% of the media here create their narrative to support their claim. Open your eyes and quit being spoon fed shite they want you to believe. You are very naive sir. If you lived here you'd likely have another view.

It is an offensive and arrogant assumption to presume those that don't agree with you are "spood fed shite" and believe anything they read.

That's the very thing the left accuse RWNJs of doing when Drumpf tweets another lie and Fox news reports on it....or Fox reports and then Drumpf twits. He has passed 12,000 provable lies already....

In my experience, it is utterly pointless and without merit to try and even debate these things with a staunch Trumpeter. So I bid you farewell and all the best, while remaining absolutely convinced that I'm on the right side of history.

[RPM]

You should have a look sir. 80% of the media here create their narrative to support their claim. Open your eyes and quit being spoon fed shite they want you to believe. You are very naive sir. If you lived here you'd likely have another view.

It is an offensive and arrogant assumption to presume those that don't agree with you are "spood fed shite" and believe anything they read.

That's the very thing the left accuse RWNJs of doing when Drumpf tweets another lie and Fox news reports on it....or Fox reports and then Drumpf twits. He has passed 12,000 provable lies already....

In my experience, it is utterly pointless and without merit to try and even debate these things with a staunch Trumpeter. So I bid you farewell and all the best, while remaining absolutely convinced that I'm on the right side of history.

Now that your done trying to convince us how we should think in our own country, how about changing back the Thread Title as Memorex wrote it?

[Aaron]

Man I'd have to agree to disagree. If you would look at the data I think it would be different. Do you have access to the data in Australia? I'm not sure. What I am sure of if you listen to the media in the US, they create their own to drive their own narrative.

Trump tweets are have generated the largest amount of free advertising in American history. But he's a dumb arse.

You can be on the right side of history but history is written by the media.

You can say what you want but my 401K is what I care about when it comes to history and it's up.

Are you sure you not just bailing out because you can hang with data and facts?

You should have a look sir. 80% of the media here create their narrative to support their claim. Open your eyes and quit being spoon fed shite they want you to believe. You are very naive sir. If you lived here you'd likely have another view.

It is an offensive and arrogant assumption to presume those that don't agree with you are "spood fed shite" and believe anything they read.

That's the very thing the left accuse RWNJs of doing when Drumpf tweets another lie and Fox news reports on it....or Fox reports and then Drumpf twits. He has passed 12,000 provable lies already....

In my experience, it is utterly pointless and without merit to try and even debate these things with a staunch Trumpeter. So I bid you farewell and all the best, while remaining absolutely convinced that I'm on the right side of history.

[Aaron]

Narrative corrections happening? WTF?

You should have a look sir. 80% of the media here create their narrative to support their claim. Open your eyes and quit being spoon fed shite they want you to believe. You are very naive sir. If you lived here you'd likely have another view.

It is an offensive and arrogant assumption to presume those that don't agree with you are "spood fed shite" and believe anything they read.

That's the very thing the left accuse RWNJs of doing when Drumpf tweets another lie and Fox news reports on it....or Fox reports and then Drumpf twits. He has passed 12,000 provable lies already....

In my experience, it is utterly pointless and without merit to try and even debate these things with a staunch Trumpeter. So I bid you farewell and all the best, while remaining absolutely convinced that I'm on the right side of history.

Now that your done trying to convince us how we should think in our own country, how about changing back the Thread Title as Memorex wrote it?

[Aaron]

Look at the data for yourself, don't listen to filtered information. And most importantly, follow the $. That is all you really have to do to find the truth. Follow the $.

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

Right...
All media from 3 different countries all pointing out facts using real data. Mmmmm...

[Aaron]

There will likely be a bit of a slow down due to the market being super hot. As long as we can manage inflation, it should be good. My prediction, the market will have a slighty slower gain next year due to instability due to the election. Once Trump is re-elected, the market will continue to improve. Maybe not a 30% rate like this year but, gains over 15% will be seen. If a dem gets in office, watch it fall off and retract depending on how radical they are. The current socialist people would drive a 2% retraction in the 12 months after election and more if they have power in the house and senate.

You heard it here first.

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

[Aaron]

Follow the money. All the lager countries are always going to have an axe to grind vs. the lead. Trump calling BS on NATO, and other little value bureaucratic agencies that add little to no value while costing us billions of dollars. We'll hear victimization until the end of time as the free money goes away with Trump calling the ball on BS.

Like I said, if you're so smart and you're policies are so great, WTF aren't you leading the world? Inquiring minds still want to know.

Just follow the $, that's all you have to do.

Looking forward to seeing who Drumpf blames for the fall....which WILL come.

US lost more tax revenue than any other developed country in 2018 due to Trump tax cuts, new report says
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/12/05/us- ... eport.html

These 7 charts show Trump's tax cuts still haven't been the economic 'rocket fuel' he promised, 2 years after the fact
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-ch ... ?r=US&IR=T

Analysis of the US tax cut shows it's done virtually no economic good
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america ... 531-p51t28


Of course none of this will be believed by the RWNJs. Trumps anus is gold and everything that shines from it is good.

You are forgetting that the media has an agenda. Once you realize that, it will open your eyes to a whole different world. If you start thinking about ok, what's this story wanting me to believe? What's this article trying to project? I swear, you will never look at the world the same again.

https://bongino.com/corporations-brough ... -tax-plan/

Right...
All media from 3 different countries all pointing out facts using real data. Mmmmm...

[RPM]

Narrative corrections happening? WTF?



Now that your done trying to convince us how we should think in our own country, how about changing back the Thread Title as Memorex wrote it?

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Correct. in 2019 The forum owner unhappy with the election results of our Country and This first term thread Memorex started changed the Title to reflect his wishes. Even though we are guest in his place that seems "offensive and Arrogant".

[Aaron]

If that's true, it's not different on this forum than in the current US media environment.

Mac, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

If this really happened, I'm not cool and expect better from a long time friend. Is this right?

Narrative corrections happening? WTF?



Now that your done trying to convince us how we should think in our own country, how about changing back the Thread Title as Memorex wrote it?

Correct. in 2019 The forum owner unhappy with the election results of our Country and This first term thread Memorex started changed the Title to reflect his wishes. Even though we are guest in his place that seems "offensive and Arrogant".[/quote]

[Andrew]

If that's true, it's not different on this forum than in the current US media environment.

Mac, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

If this really happened, I'm not cool and expect better from a long time friend. Is this right?

Narrative corrections happening? WTF?

True.

I’ve changed the thread title 20+ times. All in good fun and just to annoy the RWNJs

[Andrew]

with Trump calling the ball on BS.

Like I said, if you're so smart and you're policies are so great, WTF aren't you leading the world? Inquiring minds still want to know.

Too right mate! Let’s go!

[Andrew]

A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?"

Chris O'Leary:

Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that
1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and
2.) If you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.

I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?

J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.

K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.

L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him

M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.

N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?

0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.

P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.

S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.

U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.

V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.

W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.

Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.

Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been? "

*snagged from a friends wall

#MarmaladeMaggotMonster
#OrangeOligarch
#Asspimple

[Aaron]

That I'm cool with, thanks for the clarification Mac. I appreciate you being open. That doesn't happen so much in the US media. Much love and respect sir.

If that's true, it's not different on this forum than in the current US media environment.

Mac, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

If this really happened, I'm not cool and expect better from a long time friend. Is this right?

True.

I’ve changed the thread title 20+ times. All in good fun and just to annoy the RWNJs

[Aaron]

Well Austria, Australia whatever needs to step up and solve the world problems. The first step is to become the #1 economy. Second step is to spend your country's money to help all the people needing it in the world. Once 3% of your GDP is doing that and you're the number 1 ecomomy, you're doing something. Once you get all of that done you can go into the repressed areas of the world, spend trillions of dollars (US or AUS) "fixing" the problem and wait 10 years, they want to kill you and try to do it with your own weapons you have given them. You should strive to do this! FM

The economy stuff is real though.

with Trump calling the ball on BS.

Like I said, if you're so smart and you're policies are so great, WTF aren't you leading the world? Inquiring minds still want to know.

Too right mate! Let’s go!

[Aaron]

I can't go Monker on you and spend the weekend responding line by line. I have better things to do.

Here's what I do know. The only Chris O'Leary that would fit is a small time politician from Cork, Ireland. A small time politician that was not successful even on a regional front. I'm not sure why he would carry any weight.

Here are a few points on Trump:

1. He's not a politician, he doesn't care what other think and says exactly what's on his mind
2. He's a non comformist, he looks outside the box, looks at the rules and laws and looks at how to use them for the better good of his country (just like a good racer)
3. He doesn't follow history, he writes it. He looks at every situation on how it can help the USA and if it can't, he calls it out. Just like any normal business person would do for their company. A lot of bureaucrats confuse this "not following the rules, etc." with incapability, they're wrong. He's looking at value, or lack their of, and eliminating it to the best of his ability. Non value added bureaucrats are going to cry fowl for years for "not following process", "not listening to experts", "not listening to policy leaders" etc, what this means is Trump is not listening to the bullshit DMFK bureaucrats that have made careers out of pushing talking points that don't make sense. Trump is not that dumb.
4. You can call religion and values all you want. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I've been divorced twice. Neither driven by myself or driven by infidelity or wrong doing on my part. Does that not make me a "Christian"? In my case I drove a hard work ethic and advanced degree attainment. Too hard?, maybe. The good thing is I have the greatest woman on the planet in my life now and well worth it.

The bottom line is anyone outside of the US is not going to like Trump. He's looking after the best interests of the USA, he's looking after the best deals for the USA, he's looking for defense deals that are fair without the USA paying to defend the entire world and laggard countries paying their fair share, and he's looking after the best interest of his citizens.

That facts are:
Best US economy ever
Lowest US unemployment rate ever (black, hispanic, asian, female, white aaaahhhhhhh etc. it's all the same, it's all good)
Highest stock market achievements ever
Best trade deals we've had ever

The truth is you wished he was running your country. He's doing everything possible to put his country on top. Australia could benefit from doing the same. He's your dog, you just can't see it yet. The prison colony should hold this guy in the highest regard. He's not proper, he's not polite, he's a fighter for his country. No different than you should be.

The weakness, spending. He needs to get the debit under control. That means 0 debit in 50 years. Not going to happen but that's the gap.

A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?"

Chris O'Leary:

Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that
1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and
2.) If you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.

I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?

J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.

K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.

L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him

M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.

N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?

0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.

P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.

S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.

U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.

V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.

W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.

Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.

Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been? "

*snagged from a friends wall

#MarmaladeMaggotMonster
#OrangeOligarch
#Asspimple

[Aaron]

Well Austria, Australia whatever needs to step up and solve the world problems. The first step is to become the #1 economy. Second step is to spend your country's money to help all the people needing it in the world. Once 3% of your GDP is doing that and you're the number 1 ecomomy, you're doing something. Once you get all of that done you can go into the repressed areas of the world, spend trillions of dollars (US or AUS) "fixing" the problem and wait 10 years, they want to kill you and try to do it with your own weapons you have given them. You should strive to do this! FM

The economy stuff is real though.

with Trump calling the ball on BS.

Like I said, if you're so smart and you're policies are so great, WTF aren't you leading the world? Inquiring minds still want to know.

Too right mate! Let’s go!

[Aaron]

Mac,

If you get back to the US you're welcome to stay at our place. We have a room if get down in Columbus, IN way. You're always welcome my Australian friend.

Aaron

[Andrew]

Mac,

If you get back to the US you're welcome to stay at our place. We have a room if get down in Columbus, IN way. You're always welcome my Australian friend.

Aaron

I hope I can take you up on that one day mate, cheers!