Innocent Photos Get Kids Taken Away From Parents

[Michigan Girl]

this is so sad. i have so many 'naked' pics of wyatt.... in the tub, running around.... i have a pic of him in the tub on my desktop of my work computer! i give wyatt a swat or pinch. i suppose i'm a bad parent . we never got hit as kids, but a swat happened and we learn. i can't tell you how many times i wish i could whop some of my students upside the head!

i hope these people sue the crap out of walmart.

...and Child "Services"...

No matter how wrong Child Services was, they should not be sued.If a precedent were set then EVERYONE who has had their children removed would sue. This would lead to the CPS to not only be distracted from actually doing their job, it would likely bankrupt them and shut them down making doing their job impossible. I think I can say with relative certainty that CPS does more good than harm.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with this. What justifcation was there in this case to have the children removed for a whole month? An agency with that much power SHOULD be held to the HIGHEST of standards. If they are worried about being sued, then they need to make sure they have signifcant evidence before acting.

I'm soooo with you on this, my friend!!

[yulog]

this is so sad. i have so many 'naked' pics of wyatt.... in the tub, running around.... i have a pic of him in the tub on my desktop of my work computer! i give wyatt a swat or pinch. i suppose i'm a bad parent . we never got hit as kids, but a swat happened and we learn. i can't tell you how many times i wish i could whop some of my students upside the head!

i hope these people sue the crap out of walmart.

...and Child "Services"...

No matter how wrong Child Services was, they should not be sued.If a precedent were set then EVERYONE who has had their children removed would sue. This would lead to the CPS to not only be distracted from actually doing their job, it would likely bankrupt them and shut them down making doing their job impossible. I think I can say with relative certainty that CPS does more good than harm.

Its about accountability, giving the people at CPS the power to do what they did without having the ability to right their wrongs is a huge mistake. With this logic people shouldn't be allowed to sue the police, when they are sent to prison for something they didnt do or when they are almost beat to death.


As long as People are in charge there will always be room for human error

Another point to remember, just because people work for CPS doesn't mean that they are able to put there own personal feelings aside and be objective in their case work. I have worked directly with CPS in Arizona ,its hardly a perfect system.

[AlteredDNA]

this is so sad. i have so many 'naked' pics of wyatt.... in the tub, running around.... i have a pic of him in the tub on my desktop of my work computer! i give wyatt a swat or pinch. i suppose i'm a bad parent . we never got hit as kids, but a swat happened and we learn. i can't tell you how many times i wish i could whop some of my students upside the head!

i hope these people sue the crap out of walmart.

...and Child "Services"...

No matter how wrong Child Services was, they should not be sued.If a precedent were set then EVERYONE who has had their children removed would sue. This would lead to the CPS to not only be distracted from actually doing their job, it would likely bankrupt them and shut them down making doing their job impossible. I think I can say with relative certainty that CPS does more good than harm.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with this. What justifcation was there in this case to have the children removed for a whole month? An agency with that much power SHOULD be held to the HIGHEST of standards. If they are worried about being sued, then they need to make sure they have signifcant evidence before acting.

Oh there should be repercussions, and likely they will come from the city/county/state but it is not the type of thing that a parent should gain from. That is why I don't think it should be a lawsuit...

Never said the parent should gain. In fact, I don't think anyone should ever gain from a lawsuit. Rather, lawsuits should attempt to put things back as close to possible as if the injustice had never happened. In this case - fines, loss of employment - both very tangible financial calculations. However, don't you think the parents, who did nothing wrong, should be compensated something for having their children taken away for a whole month? for being slandered by the State Assistant Attorney General?

Again, I am very against "getting rich via the courts". The McDonalds Coffee Lady shouldn't have received one penny. But in this case, innocent people were hurt due to the actions of others. Some form of punishment and compensation is warranted.

[jrnyman28]

I think the CPA should face repercussions from 'their boss'.

I think the parents should be removed from the Sex Offender list and, it may sound antiquated, but I think a VERY PUBLIC apology/retraction should be made.

I think the parents can sue the hell out of WalMart and even (especially) the individual and receive monetary compensation for pain and suffering.

[walkslikealady]

Suing Walmart won't hurt Walmart...they'll just raise their prices or not pay their employees a good pay rate (which they don't do anyway).

Are they showing all of the photos involved? I read or heard that one of the pictures seemed posed in a sexual manner.

I'd give the employee a medal for actually caring. I saw a older guy stopped in the street talking to a young girl (about 7). I walked pass the scene but something seemed off...the little girl didn't get close to the car...stayed on the sidewalk. I set my shopping bag down and fiddled while watching. The guy drove off and I asked the girl if that was her granddad...she said she didn't know him. Glad I stopped...even if it may have been innocent.

[The Sushi Hunter]

At what age should someone stop bathing with their child? I still take baths with my daughter. She loves it when I make a beard out of the soap bubbles & then I "Ho, ho, ho" like Santa Claus. She'll turn 6 on January 8th. Is she too old for that sort of thing?

My opinion would be YES!!! But only because she's a girl and you asked!!!

Yeah, I guess I kind of agree with you, MG. She is starting to ask questions. I just hate it that she's growing up. Right now she thinks I'm Santa Claus & Jesus & Superman & everything good in the world. I guess I'm just dreading the day when she gets older & she realizes I'm ordinary.

I have another question for anyone's opinion: Do you think it would be okay if I still took baths with her providing I wear shorts? To me, it would be kind of like being in a swimming pool, but since it is a bath & she would still be naked, is that inappropriate at her age? What I'm trying to ask is this: How old is too old for a dad to bathe his daughter? At what age do children start doing that for themselves? Thanks. I appreciate any advice you can give me.

Don't know the current parenting advice, JasonD. My dad would never have even thought to bath me...that was the late 50's and early 60's. You'd know today's mores better than I.

All the other parents within my wife and my circle of friends don't bath and shower with the opposite sex of their kids. What I'm saying is, everyone we know, the wifes bath or showers with the daughters and the fathers bath or shower with their boys, around the ages between 5 and 8. After 8 years old, the kids are on their own. Seems that everyone we know only lets the kids take baths only under 5 years of age. But then again, this could also be a cultural thing too as the vast majority of our friends are of some type of Asian decent. This by the way are all our friends who are in the U.S. In Japan, that's a different story, not too many we know are taking showers in Japan, that is still a "Western" thing. Most everyone we know in Japan take baths, but.....women with the daughters and men with their sons.

Our daughter is too young to be taking showers right now, she just takes baths with my wife or my wife will supervise her bath alone with all her Fisher Price bathtub toys and stuff. And I stay out of that deal unless my wife can't do it herself, which almost hardly ever happens. In most cases, my wife takes care of our daughter's bathing. I stay out of it pretty much because that will get our daughter in the habit and life style of maintaining good female privacy and common understanding of what is appropiate for when she becomes a young lady. My wife was raised in the same sort of manner. She is very proper and reserved about those things but she also is very sensitive and loyal when her and I are alone together. I think a lot of that has to do with her upbringing on privacy issues such as private bathing and that type of thing. But who knows, I could be wrong, I'm just happy she is the way she is and how we are parenting our daughter in these regards. This seems to be working well in regards to all our friends we know and is working out well for us, even though we have the youngest child out of all of our friends. We're learning and our parents and our friends are always there to give advice.

[SherriBerry]

I actually worked in a photolab not very long ago, and to clarify a few points:

1 - The photos do not magically come out of the machine and insert themselves in the envelopes! As they came out, we had to collect the stacks, make sure which order they were with (as there were several computers and different customer orders firing through), organize them and bag them.

If you are printing pictures at a photolab, chances are the technician will see most, if not all of them. If they are on film, the tech has to see all of them as the prints are manually adjusted on a screen and put through the machine. There is no expectation of privacy other than the lab not copying or posting your photos and destroying any photos you forget/don't bother to pick up. We shredded them, but some labs may just throw them in the garbage.

2 - Not all employees or photolabs are as honest as the one I worked in - be aware that any photos you print in a lab can be reprinted without you knowing it. Any very personal/embarassing/sexy/naked photos are better printed on a photo printer at home! You don't know who the lab techs are and unfortunately, your photos could end up in someone's private collection or posted somewhere. If you have celebrity photos, there is an extremely good chance that someone made copies.

3 - People should have enough common sense to understand the difference between an innocent bathtime photo of a small child and an explicit/suspicious act. My parents still have a picture of me as a baby swimming in the tub next to my 3 year old brother in a photo montage on the wall of their livingroom. 95% of parents have photos like these and their parents have them too. This was a complete overreaction on all counts, beginning with the Wal-Mart employee. Unfortunately, common sense is not so common.

4 - On a humourous note, the funniest photos that I ever saw come through our lab were of a group of cross-country skiers, 3 men and 2 women, standing in a line in the cold outdoors. They had on their ski equipment, toques, and big smiles, but nothing else! I wouldn't have seen them at all, but the new lab tech, a lady in her 50s who started literally an hour before, came running out of the lab laughing, "OMG, there's a row of penises!". There was the shot of the group from the front and the moon shot pose of the line from the back. We never made copies, of course, and no one considered calling the RCMP to report porn By the way, men should not have nude photos taken outside in the cold!