Sharia law here in Michigan. Unbelievable

[Red13JoePa]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

[artist4perry]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

I think Sherrie is O.K. I think I get what she is saying. But she made a blanket statement and I wanted to be sure of what her actual take was. Intolerence comes in many forms. It isn't just in extreme religious circles.

[BobbyinTN]

Jim, most of my male friends in music school were gay.

And a majority of them came from stable, loving households.

You're a great guy but I don't agree with you on this one, at all.

Bet you this surprises you...but I don't agree with him either...

It's GENETIC...more than environmental...

Of course there are the 2% that just get ummm...sucked...into it!

Now that was funny, I don't care who you are.

LOL

[BobbyinTN]

Sorry to disappoint you here Bobby, but I'm not "following any talking points". I can't say why you decided to go your route, but I'm talking from experience I've learned while talking to my friends. Maybe not everyone has the same experiences, but I'd bet my life on the fact that you weren't "born" that way. Something triggered your choices. I may be completely wrong here, but until I see some proof, I'll stick with my assessment.

And to say that my friends only feel ashamed because I "make them feel that way"? WTF??? Just like I've told you here (and in PM's), I don't care that you're that way if it makes you happy. As long as you aren't hitting on me, we're cool. I'm the same way around my other friends, and I always have a great time when I'm with them. I'm not judging them OR you, I'm just saying that it's a lifestyle I don't understand, and don't agree with.

To me, I think God made beautiful women for a reason. I'll stick with the vagina dude!

Jim, you're wrong and it's obvious you want to believe what you want to believe for whateve reason. I'm not going to defend who I am to anyone and I don't expect anyone to have to like it, but they do have to deal with it and get over it cause it ain't going anywhere and even if people did choose to be gay, it would still be THEIR choice and laws should not hender them from being who they want to be.

I was born gay and you have no say whatsoever in that and nothing you feel will change it.


All the experience you say you have will never trump my experience being a gay man.


It's not a "lifestyle" it's a life and I can not figure out how anyone on this earth could "disagree" with someone else's LIFE.

Now you want to talk about choice, well, Christianity is a choice and yet we allow it and make laws to protect it, and it seems to me that would be "special rights" issue, and something someone could disagree with more readily than how someone is born.

[7 Wishes]

Stu, it's more like 12%.

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, it's more like 12%.

ROFLMAO!

[Jana]

Jim, most of my male friends in music school were gay.

And a majority of them came from stable, loving households.

You're a great guy but I don't agree with you on this one, at all.

Bet you this surprises you...but I don't agree with him either...

It's GENETIC...more than environmental...

Of course there are the 2% that just get ummm...sucked...into it!

So true. I can't believe someone of Jim's age believes that it's not for the most part genetic. It shocks me. I have gay friends and they all came from great families and are all well-grounded. They were born that way and they have discussed it.

LOL your description of the 2 percent.

[G.I.Jim]

Jim, most of my male friends in music school were gay.

And a majority of them came from stable, loving households.

You're a great guy but I don't agree with you on this one, at all.

Bet you this surprises you...but I don't agree with him either...

It's GENETIC...more than environmental...

Of course there are the 2% that just get ummm...sucked...into it!

So true. I can't believe someone of Jim's age believes that it's not for the most part genetic. It shocks me. I have gay friends and they all came from great families and are all well-grounded. They were born that way and they have discussed it.

LOL your description of the 2 percent.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Hey, wait a minute... are you calling me OLD?

[Jana]

Jim, most of my male friends in music school were gay.

And a majority of them came from stable, loving households.

You're a great guy but I don't agree with you on this one, at all.

Bet you this surprises you...but I don't agree with him either...

It's GENETIC...more than environmental...

Of course there are the 2% that just get ummm...sucked...into it!

So true. I can't believe someone of Jim's age believes that it's not for the most part genetic. It shocks me. I have gay friends and they all came from great families and are all well-grounded. They were born that way and they have discussed it.

LOL your description of the 2 percent.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Hey, wait a minute... are you calling me OLD?

No, ding-dong. I was saying b/c of your age I thought you would be more enlightened, meaning a younger generation than my parents who believed that. My mother even came around after loving Ellen on her show and hearing what she had to say and seeing Rosie O'Donnell's girlfriend, who is very pretty and sweet and smart, on 20/20 interview where she said she had been that way all her life and her religious parents kept trying to fix her. My mother opened her eyes somewhat re it wasn't a choice.

Country music star Chely Wright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msYCbaqNMb0

Pt 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vl16q0a ... re=related - talking about telling her father, and her father talking about it.

Pt 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TBWZ_kj ... re=related

[Arianddu]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

I think Sherrie is O.K. I think I get what she is saying. But she made a blanket statement and I wanted to be sure of what her actual take was. Intolerence comes in many forms. It isn't just in extreme religious circles.

I don't think it's so much the religion as the individual. Every religion has texts that can be interpreted in ways that say the believer should force their beliefs on others, or defend their beliefs to the point of taking other lives, or convince the individual that only they can hold the truth and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong, but disagreeing with God.

But every religion also has more texts that can be interpreted as being ways to live with each other harmoniously, in peace, and with mutual benefit to the whole community, even if not everyone in that community is the same. I think it's true to say that every religion holds the same basic principles - live your life well, with love and compassion, without harming others if you can, and do so in a way that allows others to live the same way.

It isn't religion that's intolerant. It's the people who cherry-pick which bits they adhere to who use religion to justify there own intolerance. And that's true of every belief system the world has ever seen, because it's easier for us to say 'I'm right, here's the proof, now you have to change' than say 'you know what, maybe I'm just being an arsehole and I need to change.'

[artist4perry]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

I think Sherrie is O.K. I think I get what she is saying. But she made a blanket statement and I wanted to be sure of what her actual take was. Intolerence comes in many forms. It isn't just in extreme religious circles.

I don't think it's so much the religion as the individual. Every religion has texts that can be interpreted in ways that say the believer should force their beliefs on others, or defend their beliefs to the point of taking other lives, or convince the individual that only they can hold the truth and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong, but disagreeing with God.

But every religion also has more texts that can be interpreted as being ways to live with each other harmoniously, in peace, and with mutual benefit to the whole community, even if not everyone in that community is the same. I think it's true to say that every religion holds the same basic principles - live your life well, with love and compassion, without harming others if you can, and do so in a way that allows others to live the same way.

It isn't religion that's intolerant. It's the people who cherry-pick which bits they adhere to who use religion to justify there own intolerance. And that's true of every belief system the world has ever seen, because it's easier for us to say 'I'm right, here's the proof, now you have to change' than say 'you know what, maybe I'm just being an arsehole and I need to change.'

You have hit the nail on the head! You can use anything to justify your own cruelty and use it for a sheild to hurt, or you can choose to let it guide you to love and be a benifit to the world around you. It depends on the heart, and what you do with it. Great post!

[7 Wishes]

Stu, it's more like 12%.

I had always heard about one in ten people were homosexual, that's all. If you take away Wham! and Air Supply, that number drops to 8%.

[Michigan Girl]

Jim, most of my male friends in music school were gay.

And a majority of them came from stable, loving households.

You're a great guy but I don't agree with you on this one, at all.

Bet you this surprises you...but I don't agree with him either...

It's GENETIC...more than environmental...

Of course there are the 2% that just get ummm...sucked...into it!

Now that was funny, I don't care who you are.

Stu, it's more like 12%.

I had always heard about one in ten people were homosexual, that's all. If you take away Wham! and Air Supply, that number drops to 8%.

lol
+1 ...this whole exhange, funnnnnyy!!!

[parfait]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

I think Sherrie is O.K. I think I get what she is saying. But she made a blanket statement and I wanted to be sure of what her actual take was. Intolerence comes in many forms. It isn't just in extreme religious circles.

I don't think it's so much the religion as the individual. Every religion has texts that can be interpreted in ways that say the believer should force their beliefs on others, or defend their beliefs to the point of taking other lives, or convince the individual that only they can hold the truth and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong, but disagreeing with God.

But every religion also has more texts that can be interpreted as being ways to live with each other harmoniously, in peace, and with mutual benefit to the whole community, even if not everyone in that community is the same. I think it's true to say that every religion holds the same basic principles - live your life well, with love and compassion, without harming others if you can, and do so in a way that allows others to live the same way.

It isn't religion that's intolerant. It's the people who cherry-pick which bits they adhere to who use religion to justify there own intolerance. And that's true of every belief system the world has ever seen, because it's easier for us to say 'I'm right, here's the proof, now you have to change' than say 'you know what, maybe I'm just being an arsehole and I need to change.'

Woah woah. You're a smart girl, but this post is just a load of bullshit. Religion is intolerant. God (the man created deity) is a judgmental, vindicative and vicious man - the fact is that religious people hand pick what they like to believe and try to justify it with quasi based science. Man's oldest enemy is the authoritarian dictatorship that is God. Religion breeds zealots, who have in many cases started wars that has resulted in blood baths.

Most religious people today does not follow the bible/Qur'an, they stick to whatever metaphysical explanation for the origins of cosmos and life - but now we have good scientific explanation to the aforementioned, in a way that if they would have been there to begin with, we would not have any need for religion. Whatever "science" the theists have tried to bring to the table, has been shown to be utterly and conclusively false. Religion is not moral or ethical either. Far from it, it's a ugly doctrine that abolishes the concept of personal responsibility, on which all ethics must depend.

The idea that I'm born under a celestial dictatorship, which I have no hand in choosing, and I'm told it can convict me of "thought crime", which basically makes it completely totalistic, is sickening. It undermines us in our most essential integrity, it dissolves our obligation to live and witness in truth. I'm not going to believe something just cause it promises me a after life. The bible's history is dubious at best, but it provides consolation. Sure it would be nice if you could throw your responsibility over someone else, but it's not true and it's not morally sound.

Religion makes me sick. At least the world is getting more and more secular. 64 % of the Japanese population is non believers and it's up to 85 % for Sweden. I'm glad I was born in a home where I had the chance to choose if I wanted to believe in religion or not.

[Michigan Girl]

This thread is about our civil rights and yes, we have the
right to believe as we wish~for now!!! This is AMERICA!!

Someone in Michigan has definitely pissed god off ...he seems to
be a Buckeye Fan as of late!!

[Arianddu]

Gaël, people are intolerant, and they use religeon to justify it. Saying it's religion that makes people intolerant is like saying it's reading Mine Kampf that makes neo-Nazis total fuckwits, or it's listening to some radio talk show host that makes people homophobic. People have a choice about how they behave, and they use religion to justify being total twats.

If it was religion that made people arseholes, then Ghandi would be a classist, racist fuck-wit and every atheist on the planet would be the nicest person you ever met. That's simply not the case; there are arseholes of every breed of religion, philosophy, colour, creed and sexuality on the planet. An arsehole is an arsehole is an arsehole. Religion is just the justification a distressingly large number of them use.

Me, I'm a happy atheist and I try hard not to be an arsehole (although I'm sure I have my moments ) But I don't claim that not believing in god(s) makes me a tolerant, good natured person. And if it was religion that makes people intolerant twats, instead of just being the justification intolerant twats use for being that way, then how come there are so many religious people who are fundamentally tolerant, good natured people?

I don't need religion to disappear of the planet - if faith floats your boat, gives you some sense of stability and connection, more power to you. Just don't tell me your beliefs should have any affect on my life or anyone else's.

[Arianddu]

This thread is about our civil rights and yes, we have the
right to believe as we wish~for now!!! This is AMERICA!!

Someone in Michigan has definitely pissed god off ...he seems to
be a Buckeye Fan as of late!!

MG, the whole point about this is that it isn't about Sharia law, no matter what Joe and/or this group wants to claim. Whether or not it's an injustice that police officers got involved, whether or not it is a reasonable law or a violation of civil rights, it has nothing to do with Sharia law. Nothing at all. Which is the issue - a group of people are highlighting what might well be a very unfair and unreasonable law, but their claims about it being caused by muslim beliefs is total and utter bullshit, and to state otherwise is just daft.

Muslims aren't stealing anyone's civil rights, nor are they somehow perverting US Law into a reflection of Sharia Law, and it's inflamatory crap to say that this is the case. That's the bottom line here, not whether or not someone's civil rights are being abused - that's a very different story.

[Michigan Girl]

This thread is about our civil rights and yes, we have the
right to believe as we wish~for now!!! This is AMERICA!!

Someone in Michigan has definitely pissed god off ...he seems to
be a Buckeye Fan as of late!!

MG, the whole point about this is that it isn't about Sharia law, no matter what Joe and/or this group wants to claim. Whether or not it's an injustice that police officers got involved, whether or not it is a reasonable law or a violation of civil rights, it has nothing to do with Sharia law. Nothing at all. Which is the issue - a group of people are highlighting what might well be a very unfair and unreasonable law, but their claims about it being caused by muslim beliefs is total and utter bullshit, and to state otherwise is just daft.

Muslims aren't stealing anyone's civil rights, nor are they somehow perverting US Law into a reflection of Sharia Law, and it's inflamatory crap to say that this is the case. That's the bottom line here, not whether or not someone's civil rights are being abused - that's a very different story.

Perhaps someone can explain Sharia LAW?!? All I seem to know is that Muslims agree on the Sharia
about as much as Christians agree on Biblical perspectives. The people in the vid, Christians, were trying to pass out pamphlets
about Christianity to a group of Sharia believing Muslims and they were arrested, right?!?!
I understood it as ... Sharia trumps Christianity in the minds of the Christian Americans who were stripped of their
rights, in their own country, and thrown in the slammer ...what do you call that law?!?! I'm American and
I don't know?!?! *seriously twisted face*

[BobbyinTN]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

I think Sherrie is O.K. I think I get what she is saying. But she made a blanket statement and I wanted to be sure of what her actual take was. Intolerence comes in many forms. It isn't just in extreme religious circles.

I don't think it's so much the religion as the individual. Every religion has texts that can be interpreted in ways that say the believer should force their beliefs on others, or defend their beliefs to the point of taking other lives, or convince the individual that only they can hold the truth and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong, but disagreeing with God.

But every religion also has more texts that can be interpreted as being ways to live with each other harmoniously, in peace, and with mutual benefit to the whole community, even if not everyone in that community is the same. I think it's true to say that every religion holds the same basic principles - live your life well, with love and compassion, without harming others if you can, and do so in a way that allows others to live the same way.

It isn't religion that's intolerant. It's the people who cherry-pick which bits they adhere to who use religion to justify there own intolerance. And that's true of every belief system the world has ever seen, because it's easier for us to say 'I'm right, here's the proof, now you have to change' than say 'you know what, maybe I'm just being an arsehole and I need to change.'

YES!! Exceptionally well written and perfectly true.

[BobbyinTN]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

Woah woah. You're a smart girl, but this post is just a load of bullshit. Religion is intolerant. God (the man created deity) is a judgmental, vindicative and vicious man - the fact is that religious people hand pick what they like to believe and try to justify it with quasi based science. Man's oldest enemy is the authoritarian dictatorship that is God. Religion breeds zealots, who have in many cases started wars that has resulted in blood baths.

Most religious people today does not follow the bible/Qur'an, they stick to whatever metaphysical explanation for the origins of cosmos and life - but now we have good scientific explanation to the aforementioned, in a way that if they would have been there to begin with, we would not have any need for religion. Whatever "science" the theists have tried to bring to the table, has been shown to be utterly and conclusively false. Religion is not moral or ethical either. Far from it, it's a ugly doctrine that abolishes the concept of personal responsibility, on which all ethics must depend.

The idea that I'm born under a celestial dictatorship, which I have no hand in choosing, and I'm told it can convict me of "thought crime", which basically makes it completely totalistic, is sickening. It undermines us in our most essential integrity, it dissolves our obligation to live and witness in truth. I'm not going to believe something just cause it promises me a after life. The bible's history is dubious at best, but it provides consolation. Sure it would be nice if you could throw your responsibility over someone else, but it's not true and it's not morally sound.

Religion makes me sick. At least the world is getting more and more secular. 64 % of the Japanese population is non believers and it's up to 85 % for Sweden. I'm glad I was born in a home where I had the chance to choose if I wanted to believe in religion or not.

A-Men!! I agree 1000%

[Michigan Girl]

Should these people have been arrested?!?!

http://gaytoday.com/index.php/2010/02/2 ... cathedral/


Gays picket Chicagos Holy Name CathedralAround 100 gays and lesbians picketed Chicago’s Holy Name Cathedral on Valentine’s Day.

Members of the Gay Liberation Network protested the Roman Catholic Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage and its hostility to LGBT people in general.


They chanted, “Holy Name, holy shame!”

“Most present-day gay leaders … have taken a pass on highlighting and demonstrating against religious leaders’ opposition to our equality,” said GLN’s Andy Thayer. “In doing so, they ignore the lessons of how we have won LGBT victories in the past, and why we suffered critical defeats like California’s Proposition 8 and Maine’s Question 1.”

Thayer said past LGBT wins against people such as Anita Bryant and Dr. Laura Schlessinger involved “relentlessly pounding them for their anti-gay bigotry, quoting their hateful statements, labeling them as vile bigots, and thus ‘peeling off’ their soft supporters.”

“In contrast,” he said, “when anti-gay campaigners, including Catholic leaders, successfully promoted Proposition 8 and Question 1, they took the battle to us, relentlessly labeling us as child molesters in a manner very reminiscent of Anita Bryant. And we remained punching bags. Our ‘leaders’ didn’t strike back, labeling the anti-gay leaders as bigots and haters. And we lost.”

The Catholic Church teaches its members that gay sex is a mortal sin.

A spokeswoman for the archdiocese said Chicago churchgoers have no ability to alter Vatican teaching.

[Michigan Girl]

How about these people?! ...
http://blogs.suburbanchicagonews.com/be ... ay_at.html



Abortion protest under way at new clinic
By Beacon Blogon August 9, 2007 1:46 PM | Permalink | Comments (59) | TrackBacks (0)

TRAVIS HAUGHTON / BEACON NEWS
A 40-day vigil organized by Our Lady of Mercy Church started Thursday
in front of the new Planned Parenthood clinic in Aurora.

BY DAVE PARRO

A 40-day vigil started today outside a Planned Parenthood facility on the far East Side of Aurora that is scheduled to open next month. So far, the protesters have been praying, sprinkling blessed salt on the grounds and quietly demonstrating on Oakhurst Drive.

There are very few protest signs out there today, and none of them show graphic pictures of aborted babies. It has been civil so far, but there are also no workers or clients to confront yet because the clinic hasn't opened its doors.

These pickets are certainly protected as free speech, but is there a most effective way to protest abortion and the clinics that provide it?
On its Web site, the Pro-Life Action League explains why it advocates the use of sidewalk counseling and abortion pictures. The group also gives its marching orders for protesters.

But are those methods successful in reducing abortions and shifting public opinion, or are they counterproductive? Can they actually do more harm than good? Check out the Conservative Debate Handbook for an interesting perspective on how some tactics, language and anti-abortion arguments can backfire.

Obviously extremists who commit acts of violence have at times given the pro-life movement a bad name. Most of the protesters sincerely want to help young women make better choices. Do round-the-clock vigils and protests like the one planned for Aug. 22 in Aurora accomplish that?

[ohsherrie]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

No, actually it depends on the religion.

And accuracy, thy name is artist4perry.
Well, with this spot-on post, anyway.

I think Sherrie is O.K. I think I get what she is saying. But she made a blanket statement and I wanted to be sure of what her actual take was. Intolerence comes in many forms. It isn't just in extreme religious circles.

I don't think it's so much the religion as the individual. Every religion has texts that can be interpreted in ways that say the believer should force their beliefs on others, or defend their beliefs to the point of taking other lives, or convince the individual that only they can hold the truth and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong, but disagreeing with God.

But every religion also has more texts that can be interpreted as being ways to live with each other harmoniously, in peace, and with mutual benefit to the whole community, even if not everyone in that community is the same. I think it's true to say that every religion holds the same basic principles - live your life well, with love and compassion, without harming others if you can, and do so in a way that allows others to live the same way.

It isn't religion that's intolerant. It's the people who cherry-pick which bits they adhere to who use religion to justify there own intolerance. And that's true of every belief system the world has ever seen, because it's easier for us to say 'I'm right, here's the proof, now you have to change' than say 'you know what, maybe I'm just being an arsehole and I need to change.'

Woah woah. You're a smart girl, but this post is just a load of bullshit. Religion is intolerant. God (the man created deity) is a judgmental, vindicative and vicious man - the fact is that religious people hand pick what they like to believe and try to justify it with quasi based science. Man's oldest enemy is the authoritarian dictatorship that is God. Religion breeds zealots, who have in many cases started wars that has resulted in blood baths.

Most religious people today does not follow the bible/Qur'an, they stick to whatever metaphysical explanation for the origins of cosmos and life - but now we have good scientific explanation to the aforementioned, in a way that if they would have been there to begin with, we would not have any need for religion. Whatever "science" the theists have tried to bring to the table, has been shown to be utterly and conclusively false. Religion is not moral or ethical either. Far from it, it's a ugly doctrine that abolishes the concept of personal responsibility, on which all ethics must depend.

The idea that I'm born under a celestial dictatorship, which I have no hand in choosing, and I'm told it can convict me of "thought crime", which basically makes it completely totalistic, is sickening. It undermines us in our most essential integrity, it dissolves our obligation to live and witness in truth. I'm not going to believe something just cause it promises me a after life. The bible's history is dubious at best, but it provides consolation. Sure it would be nice if you could throw your responsibility over someone else, but it's not true and it's not morally sound.

Religion makes me sick. At least the world is getting more and more secular. 64 % of the Japanese population is non believers and it's up to 85 % for Sweden. I'm glad I was born in a home where I had the chance to choose if I wanted to believe in religion or not.

Great post and absolutely true. I'm also glad I wasn't raised to feel guilty or threatened for not drinking the Kool-Aid. My parents prized truth and education over marching lock-step with the bible thumpers.

[Michigan Girl]

Great post and absolutely true. I'm also glad I wasn't raised to feel guilty or threatened for not drinking the Kool-Aid. My parents prized truth and education over marching lock-step with the bible thumpers.

Yet you raised one!!

Oh ...and no disrespect intended, I'm sure she's wonderful!!

[parfait]

Great post and absolutely true. I'm also glad I wasn't raised to feel guilty or threatened for not drinking the Kool-Aid. My parents prized truth and education over marching lock-step with the bible thumpers.

Yet you raised one!!

Oh ...and no disrespect intended, I'm sure she's wonderful!!

Don't be like that. If you got something to say, then say it

A kid should not be indoctrinated in whatever stupid ass religion just because his/her parents believe it - a kid should make his/her own choice.

[Jana]

Great post and absolutely true. I'm also glad I wasn't raised to feel guilty or threatened for not drinking the Kool-Aid. My parents prized truth and education over marching lock-step with the bible thumpers.

Yet you raised one!!

Oh ...and no disrespect intended, I'm sure she's wonderful!!

Don't be like that. If you got something to say, then say it

A kid should not be indoctrinated in whatever stupid ass religion just because his/her parents believe it - a kid should make his/her own choice.

I was raised by Southern Baptist bible-thumpers, and they were wonderful parents. Not perfect, but a product of their upbringing. None of us followed in their Southern Baptist footsteps even though I was in Sunday School/Church until 16 when I bolted. Of course, you're brought up the way the parents believe, unless they have no affiliation or strong belief system. Though, I may not really feel comfortable in the Southern Baptist religion, I have wonderful memories of Bible Vacation School iin the summer, making craft projects there, and loved Sunday School and sports out in the playground, church Easter Egg hunts. Sitting in church doodling with crayons as a young child, bored stiff, not so much. I'm sure my parents were disappointed in me at times when I left the church, but still loved me and didn't berate me or my siblings.

[Michigan Girl]

Great post and absolutely true. I'm also glad I wasn't raised to feel guilty or threatened for not drinking the Kool-Aid. My parents prized truth and education over marching lock-step with the bible thumpers.

Yet you raised one!!

Oh ...and no disrespect intended, I'm sure she's wonderful!!

Don't be like that. If you got something to say, then say it

A kid should not be indoctrinated in whatever stupid ass religion just because his/her parents believe it - a kid should make his/her own choice.

My precious little layer of fresh fruit, yogurt, repeat, topped with a dollop real whipped cream ...
I did say what I had to say, it just doesn't take a day and a page ...my point was made, you're a smart guy!!

[BobbyinTN]

I gays went to a church parade and disrupted, that would be wrong. I think protesting abortion clinics is wrong, if you don't believe in abortion don't have one.


I think every gay person should walk into every church that preaches against homosexuality and raise hell, literally and show them what it's like to have their lives questioned and judged.

[Red13JoePa]

I gays went to a church parade and disrupted, that would be wrong. I think protesting abortion clinics is wrong, if you don't believe in abortion don't have one.


I think every gay person should walk into every church that preaches against homosexuality and raise hell, literally and show them what it's like to have their lives questioned and judged.

I picket the hell-hole abortion clinic near me and donate to Pro Life 3 times a year and I'm STILL ashamed I don't do enough.

[Ehwmatt]

I gays went to a church parade and disrupted, that would be wrong. I think protesting abortion clinics is wrong, if you don't believe in abortion don't have one.


I think every gay person should walk into every church that preaches against homosexuality and raise hell, literally and show them what it's like to have their lives questioned and judged.

There is simply zero logical consistency in these statements Bobby. You can't have it both ways. It's either a fundamental right to picket/protest/assemble peacefully or it's not. Again, you can't have it both ways.

You wouldn't catch me dead picketing any cause, and I'm certainly not an apathetic person when it comes to beliefs. I have better ways to spend my time. But still, you need to respect the process, not the result. That means accepting some things you don't like.