Should Penn State remove Paterno's statue?

by **hoagiepete** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:58 am

Just cover it with a sheet to memorialize the cover up.

by **Liam** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:58 am

http://www.theonion.com/articles/additi ... ent,28842/

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sandus ... ell,28631/

http://www.theonion.com/video/penn-stat ... ize,28832/

TRUST ME....check 'em out. :twisted:

by **RPM** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:55 pm

Its gone. to bad he didn't live long enough to be put in jail. no actually this is better.

by **slucero** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:06 am

Fact Finder wrote:
RPM wrote:Its gone. to bad he didn't live long enough to be put in jail. no actually this is better.

(CBS News) CBS News has learned that the NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school.

"I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization's headquarters in Indianapolis.

The penalties come in the wake of the independent report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that chronicled repeated efforts by four top Penn State officials, including former football Joe Paterno, to conceal allegations of serial child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky over a 14-year period.

The NCAA had been awaiting the school's response to four key questions pertaining to the sex abuse scandal, including issues involving institutional control and ethics.

© 2012 CBS Interactive Inc.. All Rights Reserved.

here it comes... bye-bye Penn State football.

by **slucero** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:26 am

Penn State takes down Paterno statue

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/22/us/penn-s ... ?hpt=hp_t1

by **slucero** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:33 am

by AR » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:02 am

They should sell that statue on ebay.

by **Don** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:09 am

I'm just going to take a guess and say major scholarship reductions, bowl bans and National TV blackout for five years. That way the games still get played, the Big 10 or whatever it's called still gets to have a championship game and the home town doesn't take a monster economic hit.

Current players will be allowed to transfer and won't have to sit out a year or will be granted an extra year of eligibility at their new school.

by **Liam** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:49 am

I've been thinking "Death penalty" since I heard this "new" shit about JoePa.

by **Don** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:56 am

Liam wrote:I've been thinking "Death penalty" since I heard this "new" shit about JoePa.

Sounds like that has been ruled out but with what is being said, the school will be wishing they had got that instead of what's coming.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:19 am

Bout time. I knew that would happen. But I also think they are going to either "store" it on campus until the dust settles and then perhaps have it somewhere stashed away, like how Stanford University stashes shit in the Hoover Building. Because in a hundred years or more, people would actually be fascenated to look at the statue. As I said earlier, they are probably going to move it to a more controlled and secure location on campus. They took great care not to damage it when they moved it from what I see in the photos and for no other reason but to maintain its well being for future use. If I was in charge of that operation, I would have just wrapped a fucking chain around it and pulled it right out of the foundation with a tractor and then drag it off campus to the nearest scrapyard.

by AR » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:48 am

They should put a statue of Sandusky fucking a teen boy in that spot.

In all seriousness, who would want to play for Penn State now? They won't be getting any good recruits.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:52 am

It will definitely be interesting to find out what's going to be announced tomorrow in regards to what happens next.

by **slucero** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:01 am

Statue's new home..

by **ebake02** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:50 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-sta ... fbi-2012-7

Penn State Investigator Louis Freeh Accused Of Heading A Massive Cover-Up As Director Of FBI

Michael Kelley | Jul. 16, 2012, 2:13 PM

The Department of Justice and FBI recently began reviewing 10,000 cases to look for flawed forensic evidence that might have convicted innocent people.

The FBI and DOJ had previously formed another task force in the '90s to investigate flawed evidence, the Washington Post reported in April.

The director of the FBI from 1993 to 2001, Louis Freeh, launched that task force with then-Attorney General Janet Reno.

After nine years of working in secret, the unit neither published its reviews of specific cases nor informed potentially innocent defendants or their attorneys, according to the Post.

Freeh has been praised lately for his independent investigation of the Penn State sexual abuse scandal and the alleged cover-up by top officials.

But ex-FBI agent and whistleblower C. Fred Whitehurst told William Fisher of Prism magazine that Freeh's action were similar to those of PSU officials because Freeh "did everything in his power" to cover up mistakes made by FBI forensic analysts:

“While I was reporting issues at the FBI crime lab, FBI Director Louis Freeh was doing every thing he could to shut me down including coming at me with proposed criminal charges, referrals for fitness for duty (psych evals), destroying my career, moving me around the lab like a rag doll, ruining my wife’s career. This man has no conscience and he is accusing Penn State managers of not taking any steps. He ought to be ashamed. Before the lab scandal is over you will find that Freeh was right in the middle of it. He did EXACTLY what the Penn State folks did.”

We reached out to Freeh's law firm – Freeh Sporkin & Sullivan, LLP – but Freeh was unavailable for comment.

Last week Whitehurst told Prism that the number of cases based on falsified or scientifically unfounded forensic evidence actually number in the hundreds of thousands because the FBI taught its forensic techniques to local, state, and federal crime lab personnel for decades.

by **Liam** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:54 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ob0yFBeQpo

by **slucero** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:28 pm

...Fines in excess of $30 million
...."multiple-year" bowl bans
....."crippling" scholarship losses

by **Red13JoePa** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:43 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:What the fuck would the NCAA have to say about this? Statue will come down over my dead rotting corpse, too.

Death penalty my ass. Show me the first shred of evidence Joe did, said, thought, acted, moved ANY way but what we KNOW is true. An email, a voice recording, a transcript, a text, a phone record, etc, OF and FROM him and THEN I will judge accordingly. Till then, fuck off.

You ok Red13?

Yes.

by **Red13JoePa** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:44 pm

ebake02 wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-state-investigator-louis-freeh-accused-of-heading-a-massive-cover-up-as-director-of-fbi-2012-7

Penn State Investigator Louis Freeh Accused Of Heading A Massive Cover-Up As Director Of FBI

Michael Kelley | Jul. 16, 2012, 2:13 PM

The Department of Justice and FBI recently began reviewing 10,000 cases to look for flawed forensic evidence that might have convicted innocent people.

The FBI and DOJ had previously formed another task force in the '90s to investigate flawed evidence, the Washington Post reported in April.

The director of the FBI from 1993 to 2001, Louis Freeh, launched that task force with then-Attorney General Janet Reno.

After nine years of working in secret, the unit neither published its reviews of specific cases nor informed potentially innocent defendants or their attorneys, according to the Post.

Freeh has been praised lately for his independent investigation of the Penn State sexual abuse scandal and the alleged cover-up by top officials.

But ex-FBI agent and whistleblower C. Fred Whitehurst told William Fisher of Prism magazine that Freeh's action were similar to those of PSU officials because Freeh "did everything in his power" to cover up mistakes made by FBI forensic analysts:

“While I was reporting issues at the FBI crime lab, FBI Director Louis Freeh was doing every thing he could to shut me down including coming at me with proposed criminal charges, referrals for fitness for duty (psych evals), destroying my career, moving me around the lab like a rag doll, ruining my wife’s career. This man has no conscience and he is accusing Penn State managers of not taking any steps. He ought to be ashamed. Before the lab scandal is over you will find that Freeh was right in the middle of it. He did EXACTLY what the Penn State folks did.”

We reached out to Freeh's law firm – Freeh Sporkin & Sullivan, LLP – but Freeh was unavailable for comment.

Last week Whitehurst told Prism that the number of cases based on falsified or scientifically unfounded forensic evidence actually number in the hundreds of thousands because the FBI taught its forensic techniques to local, state, and federal crime lab personnel for decades.

Then there's this.
Michael Robinson put it most succinctly. This guy was paid to produce the report he did.

by **ebake02** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:10 pm

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that story will fall through the cracks.

by **conversationpc** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:57 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Vacate all wins from 1998 to 2011....Holy shit, there goes JoePa's record.

4 year bowl ban.

$60 Million fine.

5 year probation for athletic dept.

Scholarships dropped from 20 to 10

That's certainly a big penalty but they're lucky they didn't get the death penalty and lose the entire football program. If this isn't a case where that should happen, I don't know what is.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:05 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
ebake02 wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-state-investigator-louis-freeh-accused-of-heading-a-massive-cover-up-as-director-of-fbi-2012-7

Penn State Investigator Louis Freeh Accused Of Heading A Massive Cover-Up As Director Of FBI

Michael Kelley | Jul. 16, 2012, 2:13 PM

The Department of Justice and FBI recently began reviewing 10,000 cases to look for flawed forensic evidence that might have convicted innocent people.

The FBI and DOJ had previously formed another task force in the '90s to investigate flawed evidence, the Washington Post reported in April.

The director of the FBI from 1993 to 2001, Louis Freeh, launched that task force with then-Attorney General Janet Reno.

After nine years of working in secret, the unit neither published its reviews of specific cases nor informed potentially innocent defendants or their attorneys, according to the Post.

Freeh has been praised lately for his independent investigation of the Penn State sexual abuse scandal and the alleged cover-up by top officials.

But ex-FBI agent and whistleblower C. Fred Whitehurst told William Fisher of Prism magazine that Freeh's action were similar to those of PSU officials because Freeh "did everything in his power" to cover up mistakes made by FBI forensic analysts:

“While I was reporting issues at the FBI crime lab, FBI Director Louis Freeh was doing every thing he could to shut me down including coming at me with proposed criminal charges, referrals for fitness for duty (psych evals), destroying my career, moving me around the lab like a rag doll, ruining my wife’s career. This man has no conscience and he is accusing Penn State managers of not taking any steps. He ought to be ashamed. Before the lab scandal is over you will find that Freeh was right in the middle of it. He did EXACTLY what the Penn State folks did.”

We reached out to Freeh's law firm – Freeh Sporkin & Sullivan, LLP – but Freeh was unavailable for comment.

Last week Whitehurst told Prism that the number of cases based on falsified or scientifically unfounded forensic evidence actually number in the hundreds of thousands because the FBI taught its forensic techniques to local, state, and federal crime lab personnel for decades.

Then there's this.
Michael Robinson put it most succinctly. This guy was paid to produce the report he did.

You found it man! The smoking gun! It's all a lie (nevermind the boys/men out there with assholes gaping like Taylor Rain thanks to Sandusky and co-thanks to JoePa... that's all an illusion). Of course he's paid. Jesus christ.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:09 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again: vacating wins has to be the dopiest penalty of all time. Wins (and especially Bowl wins) are sweetest in the IMMEDIATE aftermath of the victory. For the coaches and players, there's the euphoria of victory after working hard on the field, the immediate accolades and fan adoration, and the like. For the fans, there's a similar feeling of euphoria and tons of great parties. After that, it's a nice piece of nostalgia.

Vacating these wins isn't going to make the fans' and players' memories of these wins and all the good feelings/times they brought to them any less sweet.

Who cares about some stupid wins record? In the grand scheme of things, JoePa was a legend for his longevity more than anything else. Beating up on redheaded stepchildren (especially in the Big Ten the last 10-15 years) for 95% of your wins ain't all that special. Off the top of my head, there's at least 3 college coaches who are much more successful than him in less than half the time as head coaches coaching RIGHT NOW, TODAY. And I'm not even a college football fan.

by **Starrider** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:44 am

Ehwmatt wrote:...Beating up on redheaded stepchildren...

Speaking of...wonder if he is still in hiding:

by **Don** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:12 am

Starrider wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:...Beating up on redheaded stepchildren...

Speaking of...wonder if he is still in hiding:

^^^The quarterback of Paterno's last win, Nov 22 1997.

by **Don** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:16 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
ebake02 wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/penn-state-investigator-louis-freeh-accused-of-heading-a-massive-cover-up-as-director-of-fbi-2012-7

Penn State Investigator Louis Freeh Accused Of Heading A Massive Cover-Up As Director Of FBI

Michael Kelley | Jul. 16, 2012, 2:13 PM

The Department of Justice and FBI recently began reviewing 10,000 cases to look for flawed forensic evidence that might have convicted innocent people.

The FBI and DOJ had previously formed another task force in the '90s to investigate flawed evidence, the Washington Post reported in April.

The director of the FBI from 1993 to 2001, Louis Freeh, launched that task force with then-Attorney General Janet Reno.

After nine years of working in secret, the unit neither published its reviews of specific cases nor informed potentially innocent defendants or their attorneys, according to the Post.

Freeh has been praised lately for his independent investigation of the Penn State sexual abuse scandal and the alleged cover-up by top officials.

But ex-FBI agent and whistleblower C. Fred Whitehurst told William Fisher of Prism magazine that Freeh's action were similar to those of PSU officials because Freeh "did everything in his power" to cover up mistakes made by FBI forensic analysts:

“While I was reporting issues at the FBI crime lab, FBI Director Louis Freeh was doing every thing he could to shut me down including coming at me with proposed criminal charges, referrals for fitness for duty (psych evals), destroying my career, moving me around the lab like a rag doll, ruining my wife’s career. This man has no conscience and he is accusing Penn State managers of not taking any steps. He ought to be ashamed. Before the lab scandal is over you will find that Freeh was right in the middle of it. He did EXACTLY what the Penn State folks did.”

We reached out to Freeh's law firm – Freeh Sporkin & Sullivan, LLP – but Freeh was unavailable for comment.

Last week Whitehurst told Prism that the number of cases based on falsified or scientifically unfounded forensic evidence actually number in the hundreds of thousands because the FBI taught its forensic techniques to local, state, and federal crime lab personnel for decades.

Then there's this.
Michael Robinson put it most succinctly. This guy was paid to produce the report he did.

You found it man! The smoking gun! It's all a lie (nevermind the boys/men out there with assholes gaping like Taylor Rain thanks to Sandusky and co-thanks to JoePa... that's all an illusion). Of course he's paid. Jesus christ.

Freeh was comissioned by Penn State. If they didn't do due diligence on hiring this guy, that's on them. His report has been out there for two weeks and the BOT has not publicly found fault with it at all. Probably why they were so quick to agree with the sanctions this morning as this guy may have been too lenient in what he uncovered if we go by his past actions.

by **Liam** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:19 am

Don.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:47 am

I agree. Vacating wins is lame. The 60M fine and no playing probably didn't leave them smiling about anything though. But then again $60Mill, I'm sure they are given a whole lot more from wealthy donors each year. That's how those places operate. The payout is actually from the funds brought into the campus by wealthy donors. And when an institution does all this charming stuff for the community, it's simply because they know that if they are ever called on the carpet for any wrong doings, these past good will efforts can be used as a "get out of jail or go easy on us card'. Every fucking time, guarranteed!

Ehwmatt wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: vacating wins has to be the dopiest penalty of all time. Wins (and especially Bowl wins) are sweetest in the IMMEDIATE aftermath of the victory. For the coaches and players, there's the euphoria of victory after working hard on the field, the immediate accolades and fan adoration, and the like. For the fans, there's a similar feeling of euphoria and tons of great parties. After that, it's a nice piece of nostalgia.

Vacating these wins isn't going to make the fans' and players' memories of these wins and all the good feelings/times they brought to them any less sweet.

Who cares about some stupid wins record? In the grand scheme of things, JoePa was a legend for his longevity more than anything else. Beating up on redheaded stepchildren (especially in the Big Ten the last 10-15 years) for 95% of your wins ain't all that special. Off the top of my head, there's at least 3 college coaches who are much more successful than him in less than half the time as head coaches coaching RIGHT NOW, TODAY. And I'm not even a college football fan.

by **Don** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:50 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I agree. Vacating wins is lame. The 60M fine and no playing probably didn't leave them smiling about anything though. But then again $60Mill, I'm sure they are given a whole lot more from wealthy donors each year. That's how those places operate.

Ehwmatt wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: vacating wins has to be the dopiest penalty of all time. Wins (and especially Bowl wins) are sweetest in the IMMEDIATE aftermath of the victory. For the coaches and players, there's the euphoria of victory after working hard on the field, the immediate accolades and fan adoration, and the like. For the fans, there's a similar feeling of euphoria and tons of great parties. After that, it's a nice piece of nostalgia.

Vacating these wins isn't going to make the fans' and players' memories of these wins and all the good feelings/times they brought to them any less sweet.

Who cares about some stupid wins record? In the grand scheme of things, JoePa was a legend for his longevity more than anything else. Beating up on redheaded stepchildren (especially in the Big Ten the last 10-15 years) for 95% of your wins ain't all that special. Off the top of my head, there's at least 3 college coaches who are much more successful than him in less than half the time as head coaches coaching RIGHT NOW, TODAY. And I'm not even a college football fan.

The money from the donors will most probably be used to cover the lawsuits that are coming their way.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:54 am

Don wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I agree. Vacating wins is lame. The 60M fine and no playing probably didn't leave them smiling about anything though. But then again $60Mill, I'm sure they are given a whole lot more from wealthy donors each year. That's how those places operate.

Ehwmatt wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: vacating wins has to be the dopiest penalty of all time. Wins (and especially Bowl wins) are sweetest in the IMMEDIATE aftermath of the victory. For the coaches and players, there's the euphoria of victory after working hard on the field, the immediate accolades and fan adoration, and the like. For the fans, there's a similar feeling of euphoria and tons of great parties. After that, it's a nice piece of nostalgia.

Vacating these wins isn't going to make the fans' and players' memories of these wins and all the good feelings/times they brought to them any less sweet.

Who cares about some stupid wins record? In the grand scheme of things, JoePa was a legend for his longevity more than anything else. Beating up on redheaded stepchildren (especially in the Big Ten the last 10-15 years) for 95% of your wins ain't all that special. Off the top of my head, there's at least 3 college coaches who are much more successful than him in less than half the time as head coaches coaching RIGHT NOW, TODAY. And I'm not even a college football fan.

The money from the donors will most probably be used to cover the lawsuits that are coming their way.

That should be interesting to see what comes of that and for how much.

MR

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