Gun Debate

[steveo777]

All The Chump does when talking in public is yell. I'd rather hear someone speak common sense at a normal volume than hearing this Chump yelling nonsense. Next black president will use a bullhorn.

Be careful what you prophesy. We're liable to get a rapper turned politician next time. It's not that far fetched. By the time we get ready to elect the next couple presidents the culture and moral fiber of this country will have been lowered a few notches. Things are trending that way. If you don't believe it just look at what gets put on TV these days and who gets their moments of fame. The allowances of the liberal left help continue the slide.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Well I've been thinking that will eventually happen for some time now Steveo. America will collapse from the inside out. I just hope I'm still around when all these politicans who helped make this all happen get hit with the reality check of what they all did to this country. I want to see the looks on their faces when they realize that it "can" happen to them and not just to the average citizens that are in the general public. I swear, had our grandparents and great grandparents who fought to defend this country in WWI and WWII been around to see what this country has turned into, I'd bet they'd not of fought so hard for it, cause in the end they way it's going now, it will have all been in vain.

[Liam]

Try to take my guns away. You're gonna need a gun. OH WAIT...that's a paradox.

[steveo777]

Try to take my guns away. You're gonna need a gun. OH WAIT...that's a paradox.

Any attempt at taking our guns will be a defining moment in history. A true "no you didn't just do that" moment. Expect bloodshed.

What will ya think of Obama then?

[Boomchild]

So we can only blame Obama for spending, taking rights away, or making the country more liberal in the same way we can blame any president.. because all of their agendas still had to be AUTHORIZED by Congress. But you keep focusing on the President, keep falling for the political misdirection.... it's what both parties want.. and it takes your attention away form the real culprits.. Congress.

I have said before that I don't trust any of them and that includes Congress. That doesn't change the notion that Romney would have less of a negative impact then Obama. Romney wasn't spouting off that we need to rebuild America or trying to change the ideology of the citizens. I also doubt that his response to the school shooting would be to try to add restrictions to the 2nd amendment or make every issue into a class warfare argument. The problem is that our whole system of government is fucked up because our elected officials have strayed away from the principles this country was founded upon. No matter how you slice it Obama should have never been given a second term. It's just that this country is now filled with people wanting a handout from the government as well as drones and people that just don't seem to care at all.

Obama won the election.. he was voted into office. I don't like it any more than you do.. but it is what it is. But it doesn't mean he simply gets to rule like a king. You seem to have this notion that Congress is just gonna lay done and give him what he wants.. when the reality is that once the Dems lost the House in 2012.. Obama ceased getting what he wanted.

Compare Romney to Reagan and Romney is a stone cold liberal. You just aren't seeing how both parties have swung leftward, and taken the country with it.

You also seem to have forgotten it was the Supreme Court that UPHELD Obamacare.. I don't like it any more than you do.. but it is what it is.

The fault for ALL of this is Congress.. they have the power to stop all of it.. but hey have been corrupted by special interests. It is Congress (both parties) who repealed Glass-Steagal, removing the chains that they put on the banks in 1933after they caused the Great Depression.

It is Congress that have allowed Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama to violate the War Powers Act.. and spend us into Trillions of debt with unnecessary wars.

The country has always had an apathetic voter base.. if you're just waking up to that fact then that's your own fault.

I don't support any of them. All I'm saying is I think Romney would do less damage then Obama will. It's the fault of all the them and that people make fucked up voting choices. The Supreme Court is a joke as well. I don't know how much clearer I can make it then I DON'T CARE FOR ANY OF THEM.

[Boomchild]

Try to take my guns away. You're gonna need a gun. OH WAIT...that's a paradox.

Any attempt at taking our guns will be a defining moment in history. A true "no you didn't just do that" moment. Expect bloodshed.

What will ya think of Obama then?

The general public won't change their view of Obama. The administration and the media will make sure to demonize and make the people that would resist look like radicals.

[steveo777]

Try to take my guns away. You're gonna need a gun. OH WAIT...that's a paradox.

Any attempt at taking our guns will be a defining moment in history. A true "no you didn't just do that" moment. Expect bloodshed.

What will ya think of Obama then?

The general public won't change their view of Obama. The administration and the media will make sure to demonize and make the people that would resist look like radicals.

Freedom Fighters. I understand this term better now.

[Don]

If we like them, they're freedom fighters. If we don't like them, they're terrorists and if we're not sure, they're guerillas.

[slucero]

Further proof that it isn't Obama that's the problem.. it's Congress..

House votes to suspend debt limit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

A measure to suspend the nation’s legal limit on borrowing for nearly four months cleared a key vote in the House Wednesday, as Republicans broadly endorsed a new tactic that would temporarily remove the threat of a potentially calamitous government default from their ongoing fight with Democrats over government spending.

[Seven Wishes2]

Try to take my guns away. You're gonna need a gun. OH WAIT...that's a paradox.

Any attempt at taking our guns will be a defining moment in history. A true "no you didn't just do that" moment. Expect bloodshed.

What will ya think of Obama then?

The general public won't change their view of Obama. The administration and the media will make sure to demonize and make the people that would resist look like radicals.

Oh, for God's sake. You people are too much.

[Seven Wishes2]

Further proof that it isn't Obama that's the problem.. it's Congress..

House votes to suspend debt limit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

A measure to suspend the nation’s legal limit on borrowing for nearly four months cleared a key vote in the House Wednesday, as Republicans broadly endorsed a new tactic that would temporarily remove the threat of a potentially calamitous government default from their ongoing fight with Democrats over government spending.

If Jerry Brown can balance California's budget, anything is possible.

The problem is, both sides have to be willing to acquiesce - but also careful to not slash programs that spur economic growth. I appreciate the fact that's a very difficult task, but there's no excuse for continuing to tread the fiscal path we're on.

[slucero]

Further proof that it isn't Obama that's the problem.. it's Congress..

House votes to suspend debt limit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

A measure to suspend the nation’s legal limit on borrowing for nearly four months cleared a key vote in the House Wednesday, as Republicans broadly endorsed a new tactic that would temporarily remove the threat of a potentially calamitous government default from their ongoing fight with Democrats over government spending.

If Jerry Brown can balance California's budget, anything is possible.

The problem is, both sides have to be willing to acquiesce - but also careful to not slash programs that spur economic growth. I appreciate the fact that's a very difficult task, but there's no excuse for continuing to tread the fiscal path we're on.

LOL... except Browns balanced budget factors in economic growth When that doesn't occur, he's back to square one..

Everything we are witnessing in the economy today, all the indicators of growth are all a result of the massive infusion of cash simply skewing the nominal-ity of those indicators.. yet all the fundamental indicators like job creation, wages, etc.. are still lagging or negative..

The simple truth is stimulus cannot buy growth.

Ludwig von Mises has never been more right:

Credit expansion can bring about a temporary boom. But such a fictitious prosperity must end in a general depression of trade, a slump.

There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit (debt) expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit (debt) expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.

What we are witnessing is the dance between the political desire and economic law. Japan is about to learn that lesson in a HUGE way..

[Seven Wishes2]

I can think of a few Japanese girls I'd like to teach a lesson to.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Exactly!

[Boomchild]

Exactly!

Too funny. I suppose that Obama would answer, "It's OK for the government to have guns, they know how to properly use them, citizens don't".

[iceberg]

Too funny. I suppose that Obama would answer, "It's OK for the government to have guns, they know how to properly use them, citizens don't".

maybe he would. well, likely. but to me that simply states what the answer should be.

stop banning and start educating.

not a single friggin "law" that is proposed would do a thing to stop events like sandy hook. not one law being proposed even addresses it. it just goes back for control and cites useless study after useless study to prop up their insanity.

so far i've yet to see anything that definitely defines what an "assault rifle" is - other than "it has military characteristics. well hell, trigger and a bullet comes out the other end would now meet that criteria.

for all the crap being flung against the wall, i've yet to see a politician suggest education before purchase. much like you have to go to class and pass a test AND use the gun on the range successfully before you get a CHP, why not just to buy a gun? teach people how they're used, purpose, dangers, cleaning, and the lot. once you pass this test after say a full day of training you get a permit and your background has already been checked before you're allowed in the class.

but all the government (and far too many people) want to do is "make the bad man go away".

that won't happen and the divide going up is pretty insane.

[Boomchild]

Too funny. I suppose that Obama would answer, "It's OK for the government to have guns, they know how to properly use them, citizens don't".

maybe he would. well, likely. but to me that simply states what the answer should be.

stop banning and start educating.

not a single friggin "law" that is proposed would do a thing to stop events like sandy hook. not one law being proposed even addresses it. it just goes back for control and cites useless study after useless study to prop up their insanity.

so far i've yet to see anything that definitely defines what an "assault rifle" is - other than "it has military characteristics. well hell, trigger and a bullet comes out the other end would now meet that criteria.

for all the crap being flung against the wall, i've yet to see a politician suggest education before purchase. much like you have to go to class and pass a test AND use the gun on the range successfully before you get a CHP, why not just to buy a gun? teach people how they're used, purpose, dangers, cleaning, and the lot. once you pass this test after say a full day of training you get a permit and your background has already been checked before you're allowed in the class.

but all the government (and far too many people) want to do is "make the bad man go away".

that won't happen and the divide going up is pretty insane.

The reason you do not hear those things is because the "public safety" is all a smoke screen. It's all about government control over it's citizens. I laugh when they start spouting off about "military style weapons". It's a misnomer. Guns that would have those abilities are already band in the U.S.. This issue is all part of a bigger plan on changing this country into something that I don't think many are going to like. But, a lot of people are being duped all the way.

[Rick]

Too funny. I suppose that Obama would answer, "It's OK for the government to have guns, they know how to properly use them, citizens don't".

maybe he would. well, likely. but to me that simply states what the answer should be.

stop banning and start educating.

not a single friggin "law" that is proposed would do a thing to stop events like sandy hook. not one law being proposed even addresses it. it just goes back for control and cites useless study after useless study to prop up their insanity.

so far i've yet to see anything that definitely defines what an "assault rifle" is - other than "it has military characteristics. well hell, trigger and a bullet comes out the other end would now meet that criteria.

for all the crap being flung against the wall, i've yet to see a politician suggest education before purchase. much like you have to go to class and pass a test AND use the gun on the range successfully before you get a CHP, why not just to buy a gun? teach people how they're used, purpose, dangers, cleaning, and the lot. once you pass this test after say a full day of training you get a permit and your background has already been checked before you're allowed in the class.

but all the government (and far too many people) want to do is "make the bad man go away".

that won't happen and the divide going up is pretty insane.

Howdy, Iceberg. Great points and I agree with all of them. You still doing the radio show?

[Boomchild]

Hey, does that gun have a magazine with more then 7 projectiles in it? If so, someone needs to put this person on report. Has Biden setup up his rat-out-a-gun-owner hotline yet?

[steveo777]

Hey, does that gun have a magazine with more then 7 projectiles in it? If so, someone needs to put this person on report. Has Biden setup up his rat-out-a-gun-owner hotline yet?

If he does this he should be shot in the ass.

[slucero]

Wow.. talk about hypocrisy..

http://www.examiner.com/article/homelan ... ult-rifles

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

[steveo777]

Wow.. talk about hypocrisy..

http://www.examiner.com/article/homelan ... ult-rifles

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

Maybe they are planning to just confiscate ARs from the citizens.

[Boomchild]

Wow.. talk about hypocrisy..

http://www.examiner.com/article/homelan ... ult-rifles

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

Maybe they are planning to just confiscate ARs from the citizens.

Funny that these newly purposed gun and ammo restrictions do not apply to you if you are a federal employee.

[Seven Wishes2]

1) Give me a good reason why you need an assault rifle to hunt deer or "protect" your home.
2) Show me where the Obama administration has made one suggestion there is any intent to do anything other than control the sale of assault weapons and ensure proper background checks are conducted.
3) Acknowledge that Secret Service and CIA agents do NOT carry assault rifles.

[Memorex]

1) Give me a good reason why you need an assault rifle to hunt deer or "protect" your home.
2) Show me where the Obama administration has made one suggestion there is any intent to do anything other than control the sale of assault weapons and ensure proper background checks are conducted.
3) Acknowledge that Secret Service and CIA agents do NOT carry assault rifles.

I'll not wade too far into this, but the answer to number one is because it's nobody's damn business what people own. There is nowhere in our constitution that say we can bear arms, but we have to explain why.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/26/if-assault-weapons-are-bad-why-does-the-dhs-want-to-buy-7000-of-them-for-personal-defense/

[Boomchild]

1) Give me a good reason why you need an assault rifle to hunt deer or "protect" your home.

Don't need to give anyone a reason. The 2nd amendment protects a person's right to own a gun of their choice. Besides that, A person may not own one to "protect" themselves. They may own it as a collector, target shooting and just for sport. All legal and non criminal purposes. People are confused in that they feel it is the law biding citizen that has to defend their ownership when actually it's the criminal and the mentally impaired that need to explain themselves.

2) Show me where the Obama administration has made one suggestion there is any intent to do anything other than control the sale of assault weapons and ensure proper background checks are conducted.

They also want to limit the amount of ammunition a person can have loaded in a weapon. They also want a physician to report to the authorities a patient that they feel may commit a violent act with a gun. Which is a violation of doctor, patient privacy laws. Give them an inch and they will come up with more excuses in the future to extend their reach to strip away the rights that the 2nd amendment provides.

3) Acknowledge that Secret Service and CIA agents do NOT carry assault rifles.

While that may be the case, they are armed with weapons such as an uzi as well as other models that are capable of rapid automatic fire. I remember watching the assassination attempt on President Regan and seeing a Secret Service Agent whip out a uzi style weapon. They are armed with more then pistols. They use high power weapons that can be concealed better then a high powered rifle.

[iceberg]

Too funny. I suppose that Obama would answer, "It's OK for the government to have guns, they know how to properly use them, citizens don't".

maybe he would. well, likely. but to me that simply states what the answer should be.

stop banning and start educating.

not a single friggin "law" that is proposed would do a thing to stop events like sandy hook. not one law being proposed even addresses it. it just goes back for control and cites useless study after useless study to prop up their insanity.

so far i've yet to see anything that definitely defines what an "assault rifle" is - other than "it has military characteristics. well hell, trigger and a bullet comes out the other end would now meet that criteria.

for all the crap being flung against the wall, i've yet to see a politician suggest education before purchase. much like you have to go to class and pass a test AND use the gun on the range successfully before you get a CHP, why not just to buy a gun? teach people how they're used, purpose, dangers, cleaning, and the lot. once you pass this test after say a full day of training you get a permit and your background has already been checked before you're allowed in the class.

but all the government (and far too many people) want to do is "make the bad man go away".

that won't happen and the divide going up is pretty insane.

Howdy, Iceberg. Great points and I agree with all of them. You still doing the radio show?

renegade is alive and well and i'm going back to some melodic stuff with joey c jones, bonrun and others i've met along the way.

in fact, next week, i interview bonrud on my show.

for gun laws, it's simple.

educate, don't control.

an AR15 was not used at sandy hook.
they're seldom used for most "crimes"

but they look military so they must be evil.

we need to focus on education, not control. hard message to sell but the right one.

[Rick]

Too funny. I suppose that Obama would answer, "It's OK for the government to have guns, they know how to properly use them, citizens don't".

maybe he would. well, likely. but to me that simply states what the answer should be.

stop banning and start educating.

not a single friggin "law" that is proposed would do a thing to stop events like sandy hook. not one law being proposed even addresses it. it just goes back for control and cites useless study after useless study to prop up their insanity.

so far i've yet to see anything that definitely defines what an "assault rifle" is - other than "it has military characteristics. well hell, trigger and a bullet comes out the other end would now meet that criteria.

for all the crap being flung against the wall, i've yet to see a politician suggest education before purchase. much like you have to go to class and pass a test AND use the gun on the range successfully before you get a CHP, why not just to buy a gun? teach people how they're used, purpose, dangers, cleaning, and the lot. once you pass this test after say a full day of training you get a permit and your background has already been checked before you're allowed in the class.

but all the government (and far too many people) want to do is "make the bad man go away".

that won't happen and the divide going up is pretty insane.

Howdy, Iceberg. Great points and I agree with all of them. You still doing the radio show?

renegade is alive and well and i'm going back to some melodic stuff with joey c jones, bonrun and others i've met along the way.

in fact, next week, i interview bonrud on my show.

for gun laws, it's simple.

educate, don't control.

an AR15 was not used at sandy hook.
they're seldom used for most "crimes"

but they look military so they must be evil.

we need to focus on education, not control. hard message to sell but the right one.

Shows how wise you are. Good to hear from you.

[iceberg]

1) Give me a good reason why you need an assault rifle to hunt deer or "protect" your home.
2) Show me where the Obama administration has made one suggestion there is any intent to do anything other than control the sale of assault weapons and ensure proper background checks are conducted.
3) Acknowledge that Secret Service and CIA agents do NOT carry assault rifles.

do you own a gun?

an ar15?

can you even define an "assault rifle"? and no, if you say it looks like what you see on TV, you're part of the problem.

i won't deny it should be an educational process to get guns. but to call out an AR15 w/o even knowing what they are - again...part of the problem.

show me where the obama admin has worked towards stopping ANY school shooting with ANYTHING he's proposed.

when you can do that, i'll give a fuck about what you say in this matter.

[steveo777]

1) Give me a good reason why you need an assault rifle to hunt deer or "protect" your home.
2) Show me where the Obama administration has made one suggestion there is any intent to do anything other than control the sale of assault weapons and ensure proper background checks are conducted.
3) Acknowledge that Secret Service and CIA agents do NOT carry assault rifles.

do you own a gun?

an ar15?

can you even define an "assault rifle"? and no, if you say it looks like what you see on TV, you're part of the problem.

i won't deny it should be an educational process to get guns. but to call out an AR15 w/o even knowing what they are - again...part of the problem.

show me where the obama admin has worked towards stopping ANY school shooting with ANYTHING he's proposed.

when you can do that, i'll give a fuck about what you say in this matter.

Well put.