President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Was Barack Obama receiving something?

Right.
So kissing and holding hands on the White House lawn (as our guest, no less) and receiving jewelry is ok.
But a quick diplomatic bow is an invitation to the wholesale slaughter of our commerce ships.
You guys don't even try to make sense any more.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well it's now day 5 of America held hostage by a group of ragtag Somali pirates. Welcome back Carter. I hope this doesn't go on for 444 days.

You do realize Iran kept taking US hostages even after Carter was out of office, right?

[The_Noble_Cause]

He didn't hold the Kings hand on the WH Lawn doofus. He held his hand at the Crawford Ranch..

Oh.
So bowing to the King at a formal G20 summit along with various heads of state is a sign of groveling deference, but inviting him over to your home isn't?

while leading the King down a trail. Didn't want the King to fall down.

Uh-huh.
Care to explain what Bush is doing here?
Let me guess - he was helping to lead the King through the rocky terrain of his own Saudi palace.

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[Eric]

I wasn't aware that Rove was criticizing Obama's government as a whole as your statement implies. Could you provide a specific example of that? I ask this because all I had seen in his interview with Megyn Kelly was him criticizing Biden blatantly lying.

Take any one of his appearances on O'Reilly, Hannity, or Glenn Beck.
He is usually on at least one of those shows per night.
He even goes so far as to tsk-tsk those who play the game of politics - this, from a man, who went so far as to start rumors of a war vet having an illegitimate black baby and another of being a pedophile.
I am not willing to search for a specific example for you (tho there are many watchdog sites out there), all I can say is keep watching FOX News.

What sites are you referring to exactly?

Captain is free! Very nice end to this situation!

[Deacon]

Was Barack Obama receiving something?

Right.
So kissing and holding hands on the White House lawn (as our guest, no less) and receiving jewelry is ok.
But a quick diplomatic bow is an invitation to the wholesale slaughter of our commerce ships.
You guys don't even try to make sense any more.

I find the emboldened statement ironic because I don't see how you correlated the two incidents of slaughter and bowing.

You're waffling, either way:
**First it was "BARACK WASN'T BOWING!!11!1"

**Then it was "BUSH DID IT SO ITS OKAY!!!!11!1"

**Then it was only a quick diplomatic bow. What's next? Hopefully it doesn't get much worse because your argument has been based upon fallacies for too long.

[stevew2]

He didn't hold the Kings hand on the WH Lawn doofus. He held his hand at the Crawford Ranch..

Oh.
So bowing to the King at a formal G20 summit along with various heads of state is a sign of groveling deference, but inviting him over to your home isn't?

while leading the King down a trail. Didn't want the King to fall down.

Uh-huh.
Care to explain what Bush is doing here?
Let me guess - he was helping to lead the King through the rocky terrain of his own Saudi palace.

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It looks like they are getting married

[Ehwmatt]

It turns out that the Pirates were totally outwitted. No surprise there, but apparently the negotiators got one Pirate to come aboard the USS Bainbridge for negotiations. The seas were getting rough and the idiot agreed to let us hook up a tow line to the lifeboat carrying the Captain, so as sail to smoother waters. Once in smoother water, 3 Navy Snipers trained their guns on the remaining 3 in the lifeboat, waiting for a clear opportunity to take all three at once. When the word was given, pop,pop,pop and 3 dead Pirates. Shot from 25-30 metrers according to the CENTCOM dude. They didn't storm the boat at all. Clean and nice. That folks, is GUN CONTROL.

"Anybody else ready to NEGOTIATE?"

Killer stuff, and a Movie waiting to happen.

Who would be good to play the captain?

[stevew2]

It turns out that the Pirates were totally outwitted. No surprise there, but apparently the negotiators got one Pirate to come aboard the USS Bainbridge for negotiations. The seas were getting rough and the idiot agreed to let us hook up a tow line to the lifeboat carrying the Captain, so as sail to smoother waters. Once in smoother water, 3 Navy Snipers trained their guns on the remaining 3 in the lifeboat, waiting for a clear opportunity to take all three at once. When the word was given, pop,pop,pop and 3 dead Pirates. Shot from 25-30 metrers according to the CENTCOM dude. They didn't storm the boat at all. Clean and nice. That folks, is GUN CONTROL.

"Anybody else ready to NEGOTIATE?"

Killer stuff, and a Movie waiting to happen.

Who would be good to play the captain?

Deano

[Ehwmatt]

It turns out that the Pirates were totally outwitted. No surprise there, but apparently the negotiators got one Pirate to come aboard the USS Bainbridge for negotiations. The seas were getting rough and the idiot agreed to let us hook up a tow line to the lifeboat carrying the Captain, so as sail to smoother waters. Once in smoother water, 3 Navy Snipers trained their guns on the remaining 3 in the lifeboat, waiting for a clear opportunity to take all three at once. When the word was given, pop,pop,pop and 3 dead Pirates. Shot from 25-30 metrers according to the CENTCOM dude. They didn't storm the boat at all. Clean and nice. That folks, is GUN CONTROL.

"Anybody else ready to NEGOTIATE?"

Killer stuff, and a Movie waiting to happen.

Who would be good to play the captain?

Fred Thompson

If he were younger, he'd be awesome. Charles Bronson woulda been great too. Someone that's an unassuming, take no bullshit badass every man is definitely necessary here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are awfully touchy about this bow TNC.

Hardly.
I AM “awfully touchy” about swill-sucking Confederate dick scabies like you that will stop at nothing to set this nation on fire – right up to gloating over the endangered life of a US citizen.

I thought my last response would be taken as the humor it was intended to be but apparently you are so obsessed with BDS you miss all the fun.

In other words, you’ve backed yourself into an intellectual cul-de-sac and are now faced with two options.
One, owning up to your pet rock sham of an ideology, OR, two, desperately reverting to the buffoon card.
Clearly, you’ve chosen the latter.
And fuck, why not.
After all, the senior carnival barkers in the GOP polka dot circus tent, Hannity and Limbaugh, claim “I’m only an entertainer!” each time they're called out on their nihilistic “I got mine, now go eat drywall” stupidity.

Also, what’s BDS?
Is that the incurable bowel affliction that has forced you to shun public life and to rely only on Hannity’s America and your meals-on-wheels caseworker for contact with the outside world?
If I’m not mistaken, Colonoscopists of America, a nonprofit trade group that promotes free market solutions to ass related healthcare, claims it is the result of hyper sphincter contraction.
A condition most commonly seen in tight-assed Republicans who live in waking fear of someone encroaching on their marriage rights.

Surely, you didn’t means Bush Derangement Syndrome, FF.
I am merely contrasting the Right’s reaction over the past 8 years to now.

Lighten up friend, eat some chocolate eggs or jellybeans, or didn't mommy leave you a basket?

Cheer up, the Captain is free and now we all see O for the great leader he is.

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Make no mistake: you were actively rooting for this Easter holiday to be tainted with Captain Phillip’s spilt blood.
That’s not projection on my part, the last page of this thread proves it.
The Republican party has gone from chanting “four more years!” in 2004 to “Death to America” in 2009.
My, what a difference a centrist, Wall Street-minted Democrat makes.
Enjoy your irrelevancy, traitorous ratfucks, you truly earned it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Right.
So kissing and holding hands on the White House lawn (as our guest, no less) and receiving jewelry is ok.
But a quick diplomatic bow is an invitation to the wholesale slaughter of our commerce ships.
You guys don't even try to make sense any more.

I find the emboldened statement ironic because I don't see how you correlated the two incidents of slaughter and bowing.

Just which part of FF stating that it “looks like that bow to the Saudi King is coming back to bite O” and that Obama’s bow made us “appear weak” did you not comprehend?
In case the subtlety was lost on you, he even threw in a Black Hawk Down reference for good measure.
Scarier still, he is not the first wingnut to make such a reckless charge.

You're waffling, either way:
**First it was "BARACK WASN'T BOWING!!11!1"

Never said that.
If you can find me saying anything remotely close to that, I’d love to see it.
In fact, I defy you to.

**Then it was "BUSH DID IT SO ITS OKAY!!!!11!1"

I just find the rank hypocrisy off the charts.
I was here when Bush took the Saudi King on a midsummer stroll through the tulips.
There was pin drop silence from all Conservative quarters.

**Then it was only a quick diplomatic bow. What's next?

That’s precisely how I characterized the action from the start.
And I stand by any leader, of any political affiliation, who does the same.

Hopefully it doesn't get much worse because your argument has been based upon fallacies for too long.

Right.
Alleged "fallacies” that may as well have come from the crack team of typewriter monkeys over at FOX News.
Everything you said above is false.
Again, quote me or go get fucked.

[Deacon]

Just which part of FF stating that it “looks like that bow to the Saudi King is coming back to bite O” and that Obama’s bow made us “appear weak” did you not comprehend?
In case the subtlety was lost on you, he even threw in a Black Hawk Down reference for good measure.
Scarier still, he is not the first wingnut to make such a reckless charge.

Oh, okay. You were talking to FF, not me. Otherwise, you would have referenced it in your post for logic's sake.

Never said that.
If you can find me saying anything remotely close to that, I’d love to see it.
In fact, I defy you to.

I never said you in particular said it. I apologize for the implication because it wasn't intended. I'm merely pointing out the progression of the ideology.

No, I just find the rank hypocrisy off the charts.
I was here when Bush took the Saudi King on a midsummer stroll through the tulips.
There was pin drop silence from all Conservative quarters.

I don't see how a breach of protocol equates to a stroll in the tulips, even if they were holding hands.

That’s precisely what I said from the start. And I stand by any leader, of any political affiliation, who does the same.

Even if it is a breach of protocol?

Right.
Alleged "fallacies” that may as well have come from the crack team of typewriter monkeys over at FOX News.
Everything you said above is false.
Again, quote me or go get fucked.

I can happily say that the go get fucked option is out of the picture for now. Considering that what I said wasn't false, lol...

Those alleged fallacies have been derived from the fact that you're equating a breach of protocol to SIMPLY being friendly. I understand that Mr. Obama may have had friendly intentions, but he still broke protocol.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't see how a breach of protocol equates to a stroll in the tulips, even if they were holding hands.

What is this "protocol", you speak of?
And how come Reagan didn't breach it when bowing to the Queen of England?
Or when Dubya awkwardly gave the German Chancellor an unsolicited rubdown the other year?
Or how about the time Pappy Bush tossed cookies on Prime Minister Miyazawa's lap?
More importantly, how come nobody on the Right gave a tinker's fuck about "protocol" until a week ago?

Even if it is a breach of protocol?

Show me a government document that states this.
And again, not to engage in moral relativism, but while you're at it, please show me where kissing is listed as an acceptable form of leader-to-leader etiquette.

Those alleged fallacies have been derived from the fact that you're equating a breach of protocol to SIMPLY being friendly. I understand that Mr. Obama may have had friendly intentions, but he still broke protocol.

Again, please provide me with such a copy of US protocol.

Oh, okay. You were talking to FF, not me. Otherwise, you would have referenced it in your post for logic's sake.

The original post you responded to HAD FF's quote in it (as reproduced below).
It's not my job to remind you of what you said and to whom.

Not legislation TNC, it's the bow. Just like in Mogadishu we now appear weak.

And yet, Bush kissing and holding hands with the Saudi King somehow kept the pirates in line?
What of this video of Bush subserviently bowing and receiving a necklace from the King?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article ... _Bowed_Too

The causal relationship between a diplomatic gesture and imminent disaster exists only in your own Obama/liberal/socialist hating psyche.
Not since the German American Bund has a group so desperately wanted to see their own nation succumb to wrack and ruin.
Truly disgusting.

Was Barack Obama receiving something?

[Deacon]

Listen, TNC, I'll be outright honest with you: I'm not up for a hardcore, ideologically driven debate right now.

I'll get back to you on on this, okay?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Listen, TNC, I'll be outright honest with you: I'm not up for a hardcore, ideologically driven debate right now.

I'll get back to you on on this, okay?

I won't hold my breath.
Typical cut n' run GOP chickenshit.

[Deacon]

Listen, TNC, I'll be outright honest with you: I'm not up for a hardcore, ideologically driven debate right now.

I'll get back to you on on this, okay?

I won't hold my breath.
Typical cut n' run GOP chickenshit.

Or I could have had a long fucking weekend accompanied by a fucking recurring asthma problem. It's hard to type when you can't breathe worth shit.

I'm being genuine with you because when I say something like that, I mean it.

Now, I'll take my leave from this thread.

[Rockindeano]

Listen, TNC, I'll be outright honest with you: I'm not up for a hardcore, ideologically driven debate right now.

I'll get back to you on on this, okay?

I won't hold my breath.
Typical cut n' run GOP chickenshit.

Or I could have had a long fucking weekend accompanied by a fucking recurring asthma problem. It's hard to type when you can't breathe worth shit.

I'm being genuine with you because when I say something like that, I mean it.

Now, I'll take my leave from this thread.

Pussy.

Typical of a conservative republican. No different than these right wing pro war blow hards who advocate "going in" "annihilating the bastards" and "smoking them out of their caves"...meanwhile never even considering signing up and wanting to fight for the country.

I have done battle on this board with more pressing health issues than fuckin asthma. Dude, I stayed on here for a good 20+ hours once, all viked up on pain killers, broken wrist/hand, and kicked loon ass that day.

Man up already.

[Eric]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFp ... annel_page

[Deacon]

What is this "protocol", you speak of?
And how come Reagan didn't breach it when bowing to the Queen of England?
Or when Dubya awkwardly gave the German Chancellor an unsolicited rubdown the other year?
Or how about the time Pappy Bush tossed cookies on Prime Minister Miyazawa's lap?
More importantly, how come nobody on the Right gave a tinker's fuck about "protocol" until a week ago?

Show me a government document that states this.
And again, not to engage in moral relativism, but while you're at it, please show me where kissing is listed as an acceptable form of leader-to-leader etiquette.

The protocol in which leaders should act. I don't know, per se, if I can find an exact government document discussing it, but I am checking out the website of the Office of the Chief of Protocol [http://www.state.gov/s/cpr/]. I'll get back to you when I find it.

Moral relativism aside, I don't think I ever stated that kissing a leader was within protocol. If you can find where I said otherwise, I'll gladly concede, but let me say first, excusing one wrong for another is a fallacy, ergo making it unacceptable. I'm not excusing hypocrisy, especially because I've only just become interested in politics. Fuck, Bush was a moron and probably broke protocol numerous times on official business meetings but that doesn't mean that Mr. Obama may do so as well.

Again, please provide me with such a copy of US protocol.

Looking for it now.

The original post you responded to HAD FF's quote in it (as reproduced below).
It's not my job to remind you of what you said and to whom.

Considering I didn't say what you were quoting, it isn't my responsibility to know, either.

[Eric]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Don't pretend you're kidding either. People who think like you are ruining this country.

[Deacon]

Since when could a news organization not report the news without being labeled as being an advocate?

I just watched a segment on Fox Business Network's Cavuto, the "Fox Business All Stars," and a prompt had arisen about the "tax day tea parties." One of the people on there accused Fox News of being an advocacy group simply because they're reporting from certain sites. I don't get it. Anyone getting an explanation from it?

[Rockindeano]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Don't pretend you're kidding either. People who think like you are ruining this country.

And the people who think like YOU, have ruined this country. Were you fuckin asleep the last 8 years, asshole?

The people who TNC and myself "think like" are saving this country. You and your folks had a chance, and a war gave them a glorious chance, and they managed very successfully, to fuck up the USA and damned near the world.

Try again, Con.

[Rockindeano]

TNC, seek help. You are crazy.

The only thing crazy about TNC is he is a free thinker, not brain aided by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.

I want no bloodshed, ever again anywhere. That ain't gonna happen....so...I choose a side. I wanted Captian Phillips alive and Somali Dirtbags Dead, why is that so hard for you to understand? The job was done to perfecton and I give kudos to all involved right to the top.

You do know President Obama had to order this strike right? Are you giving Obama props, FF?

[Barb]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Make no mistake: you were actively rooting for this Easter holiday to be tainted with Captain Phillip’s spilt blood.
That’s not projection on my part, the last page of this thread proves it.
The Republican party has gone from chanting “four more years!” in 2004 to “Death to America” in 2009.
My, what a difference a centrist, Wall Street-minted Democrat makes.
Enjoy your irrelevancy, traitorous ratfucks, you truly earned it.

TNC, seek help. You are crazy. I want no bloodshed, ever again anywhere. That ain't gonna happen....so...I choose a side. I wanted Captian Phillips alive and Somali Dirtbags Dead, why is that so hard for you to understand? The job was done to perfecton and I give kudos to all involved right to the top.

Amen, FF. Obama gave the ok to shoot and I respect him for that. The SEALs kick ass and thanks to the President, they were allowed to do what they do best and that Captain will see his family again. A good day all around.

[Eric]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Don't pretend you're kidding either. People who think like you are ruining this country.

And the people who think like YOU, have ruined this country. Were you fuckin asleep the last 8 years, asshole?

The people who TNC and myself "think like" are saving this country. You and your folks had a chance, and a war gave them a glorious chance, and they managed very successfully, to fuck up the USA and damned near the world.

Try again, Con.

You just don't get it.

[jrnychick]

Listen, TNC, I'll be outright honest with you: I'm not up for a hardcore, ideologically driven debate right now.

I'll get back to you on on this, okay?

I won't hold my breath.
Typical cut n' run GOP chickenshit.

Or I could have had a long fucking weekend accompanied by a fucking recurring asthma problem. It's hard to type when you can't breathe worth shit.

I'm being genuine with you because when I say something like that, I mean it.

Now, I'll take my leave from this thread.

Pussy.

Typical of a conservative republican. No different than these right wing pro war blow hards who advocate "going in" "annihilating the bastards" and "smoking them out of their caves"...meanwhile never even considering signing up and wanting to fight for the country.

I have done battle on this board with more pressing health issues than fuckin asthma. Dude, I stayed on here for a good 20+ hours once, all viked up on pain killers, broken wrist/hand, and kicked loon ass that day.

Man up already.

I think there are people on both sides of the aisle who are not willing to sign up and fight for their country. I never considered it, but I'm glad that other people have made that choice. It seems to me that a majority of young people who enlist right out of high school do it because they have always wanted a military career, they want the education assistance, or they don't feel that they have any other alternatives. It doesn't appear that many young men and women from 18-21 who enlist are doing so because of their party affiliations.

[Rockindeano]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Don't pretend you're kidding either. People who think like you are ruining this country.

And the people who think like YOU, have ruined this country. Were you fuckin asleep the last 8 years, asshole?

The people who TNC and myself "think like" are saving this country. You and your folks had a chance, and a war gave them a glorious chance, and they managed very successfully, to fuck up the USA and damned near the world.

Try again, Con.

You just don't get it.

Wow! What an enlightening statement. I don't get what? The fact that the last eight years were definitely the worst in American history, and the fact that the GOP controlled all but 2 years of Congress in those 8 years. Yet I am to believe the nasty Left is responsible for the current state of America- the current pathetic state of America. Haha, ok dude, I guess I don't get it. Or maybe I do.

The last LANDSLIDE election is proof that the people of America basically agree with me and not you. They spoke and spoke loud. They, like me, had had enough of the incompetence and the corruption and the mistakes. I got news for you; you are going to need more than teabagging parties, Fox News and "you don't get it" smack to become relevant in politics again. The next midterm is 18 months away and you are going to lose even more Senate and House seats.(By the way, Al Franken just won in Minnesota). So, tell me Eric, what don't I get?

I get that we kicked the living shit out of your party 2 straight and are going to win the next one too.

[Rockindeano]

I think there are people on both sides of the aisle who are not willing to sign up and fight for their country. I never considered it, but I'm glad that other people have made that choice. It seems to me that a majority of young people who enlist right out of high school do it because they have always wanted a military career, they want the education assistance, or they don't feel that they have any other alternatives. It doesn't appear that many young men and women from 18-21 who enlist are doing so because of their party affiliations.

There are definitely people on both sides of the aisle not willing to sign up, and i for one am glad about that. I don't want to fight alongside guys who don't want to be there or are too much of a pussy to be there. What I was saying was that all these tough talking Conservatives on this Board have all the answers for military and terror crises, yet none of them(save for Stuart), ever went to the fuckin military. I went. I kind of know what is happening out there. I know about ambushes, Claymores, M16's, M113's, the whole thing. I hated the military, absolutely hated it. I went for the college assistance and while in the Army, I was a good soldier. I was platoon leader, and often found myself questioning why the Hell I was in there and for what reason? Most of the guys in there, as you said, are ambitious lifetime GI Joe wannabees, and that is a good thing because those types are needed. I was amazed though, at all the drill seargent hardcores, who seemingly can't think for themselves. They aren't allowed to vote anything but republican and I thought that was a bit funny. On election day, they told us all to go vote and vote republican. I smirked and said no fucking way. They were pissed at me from then on. Anyway, I am rambling, but my point of contention is that all the Cons on here who are pro "bang bang" and "blow them all up," are both naive and hypocritical.

[Eric]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Don't pretend you're kidding either. People who think like you are ruining this country.

And the people who think like YOU, have ruined this country. Were you fuckin asleep the last 8 years, asshole?

The people who TNC and myself "think like" are saving this country. You and your folks had a chance, and a war gave them a glorious chance, and they managed very successfully, to fuck up the USA and damned near the world.

Try again, Con.

You just don't get it.

Wow! What an enlightening statement. I don't get what? The fact that the last eight years were definitely the worst in American history, and the fact that the GOP controlled all but 2 years of Congress in those 8 years. Yet I am to believe the nasty Left is responsible for the current state of America- the current pathetic state of America. Haha, ok dude, I guess I don't get it. Or maybe I do.

The last LANDSLIDE election is proof that the people of America basically agree with me and not you. They spoke and spoke loud. They, like me, had had enough of the incompetence and the corruption and the mistakes. I got news for you; you are going to need more than teabagging parties, Fox News and "you don't get it" smack to become relevant in politics again. The next midterm is 18 months away and you are going to lose even more Senate and House seats.(By the way, Al Franken just won in Minnesota). So, tell me Eric, what don't I get?

I get that we kicked the living shit out of your party 2 straight and are going to win the next one too.

Actually - it was 4 years (2002 - 2006). The liberal congress has led us down the economic road we now travel.

The worst 8 years??????????? Definitely? According to who...YOU? Well fuck you. 2002-2006 were very strong by any measure. I guess you missed that Jimma had us at 20% interest rates and 0% confidence, but you keep up your blind BS.

LANDSLIDE? 53-46 is hardly a landslide, especially with the liberal media is openly rooting for the 53!

You cheer Obama putting down this great country, and his Facist administration uising the race card whenever they can. You side with the Pelosi's and the Glover's and the Penn's and the Castro's and the Chavez's and the Reid's and the Holder's and see where it gets you.

Obama's vision for America is NOT what this country is about.

[Eric]

I think there are people on both sides of the aisle who are not willing to sign up and fight for their country. I never considered it, but I'm glad that other people have made that choice. It seems to me that a majority of young people who enlist right out of high school do it because they have always wanted a military career, they want the education assistance, or they don't feel that they have any other alternatives. It doesn't appear that many young men and women from 18-21 who enlist are doing so because of their party affiliations.

There are definitely people on both sides of the aisle not willing to sign up, and i for one am glad about that. I don't want to fight alongside guys who don't want to be there or are too much of a pussy to be there. What I was saying was that all these tough talking Conservatives on this Board have all the answers for military and terror crises, yet none of them(save for Stuart), ever went to the fuckin military. I went. I kind of know what is happening out there. I know about ambushes, Claymores, M16's, M113's, the whole thing. I hated the military, absolutely hated it. I went for the college assistance and while in the Army, I was a good soldier. I was platoon leader, and often found myself questioning why the Hell I was in there and for what reason? Most of the guys in there, as you said, are ambitious lifetime GI Joe wannabees, and that is a good thing because those types are needed. I was amazed though, at all the drill seargent hardcores, who seemingly can't think for themselves. They aren't allowed to vote anything but republican and I thought that was a bit funny. On election day, they told us all to go vote and vote republican. I smirked and said no fucking way. They were pissed at me from then on. Anyway, I am rambling, but my point of contention is that all the Cons on here who are pro "bang bang" and "blow them all up," are both naive and hypocritical.

I'll admit that on 9/12 I was considering joining, but didn't because I wasn't sure if I would be a good soldier. That does make me a pussy in some respects, but I didn't know if I could handle the physical rigors, since I couldn't even play softball without pulling a hamstring or spraining an ankle every game. That doesn't change the fact that I honestly and genuinely feel that in a post 9-11 world we needed to proactively knock off terrorists and terrorist enablers. And it certainly doesn't change the fact that I prefer to ROOT for the brave people who do serve and hope the United States wins any and all battles/wars. It doesn't change the fact that I was praying for Obama to do the right thing last week and congratulated him for it after he did it, despite not agreeing with him on 95% of everything else. And in hindsight I do think I would have been better with 2 years of mandatory military service.