They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

This is literally the dumbest argument I have read in a while. It's like saying you are not for peace because you haven't joined the Peace Corps.

Being an advocate for peace and perpetual peace, doesn't require the continuing sacrifice of others - just the sacrifice of military industrial profits.
If that offends you, feel free to jump headfirst in the Afghanistan meat grinder or STFU.

Admittedly, Trump is an unlikely messenger for peace, but he's the best we got. Especially since the Dems have gone full-blown neocon.

Like I said, it's dumb argument.

Trump is not a messenger for anything but himself and his brand name. Everything else is expendable, whether that be soldiers in combat, or someone who gets coronavirus. If he feels it is to his advantage to let them die, he will, and has. Trump doesn't give a shit about Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or wherever...all he cares about is throwing out one liners about how great of a job he did. If that means throwing in a surge of troops in some war zone and putting them in danger and having more casualties, hell do that for the headline. If it means withdrawing troops and leaving the civilian population to be slaughtered, he'll do that for the headline, too. It all depends on who is really listening to at that moment and who can convince him he'll look good doing it. People like you are foolish enough to go along with it.

[Andrew]

People like you are foolish enough to go along with it.

I will never get over how many stupid people swallow this guy's load. He's only even been about himself and his fragile ego.

The USA was seen as the world leader....it became a laughing stock and now I think people just pity it and cannot fathom the collective stupidness of anyone that follows Trump. And COVID is another unbelievable situation...I hope the USA recovers soon.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Like I said, it's dumb argument.

Why shouldn't the loudest pro-war voices be forced to have some skin in the game?

Trump is not a messenger for anything but himself and his brand name. Everything else is expendable, whether that be soldiers in combat, or someone who gets coronavirus. If he feels it is to his advantage to let them die, he will, and has. Trump doesn't give a shit about Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or wherever...all he cares about is throwing out one liners about how great of a job he did. If that means throwing in a surge of troops in some war zone and putting them in danger and having more casualties, hell do that for the headline. If it means withdrawing troops and leaving the civilian population to be slaughtered, he'll do that for the headline, too. It all depends on who is really listening to at that moment and who can convince him he'll look good doing it. People like you are foolish enough to go along with it.

The politically convenient and easy choice is always to go along with the will of the military. Instead, Trump bucked the conventional wisdom within his own party and took a strong stance against the Iraq War and bipartisan leaders who enabled it, including Biden. He has also made appreciable detente efforts with adversaries like North Korea. For this alone, he deserves credit. In contrast, Obama destabilized Libya and blew up 7 countries.

[Monker]

Like I said, it's dumb argument.

Why shouldn't the loudest pro-war voices be forced to have some skin in the game?

So, now Andrew is among the loudest pro-war voices. Like I said, it's a dumb argumentm

The politically convenient and easy choice is always to go along with the will of the military. Instead, Trump bucked the conventional wisdom within his own party and took a strong stance against the Iraq War and bipartisan leaders who enabled it, including Biden. He has also made appreciable detente efforts with adversaries like North Korea. For this alone, he deserves credit. In contrast, Obama destabilized Libya and blew up 7 countries.

[/quote]

In the early 2000's, at the start of the Iraq War, Trump was pretending to be a liberal Democrat. He was a member of the Democrat Party. It was not until 2009 when he switched parties and started pretending to be a conservative Republican. So, he wasn't exactly going against his own party since it was the Republicans who wanted the war, the Republicans who tried to justify the war...and the liberal Democrats were the only ones against it, while the moderates -- as you mention - were drawn into it.

[Pacfanweb]

People like you are foolish enough to go along with it.

I will never get over how many stupid people swallow this guy's load. He's only even been about himself and his fragile ego.

The USA was seen as the world leader....it became a laughing stock and now I think people just pity it and cannot fathom the collective stupidness of anyone that follows Trump. And COVID is another unbelievable situation...I hope the USA recovers soon.

The USA's status as world leader took a huge hit when Obama went on his "world apology" tour.

Trump certainly hasn't improved it, but anyone that's objective realizes that our status took a huge hit under the previous occupant of the White House.

Same with the racial stuff going on....all that started under Obama. There were loads of protests and riots when he was President, and mostly he made them worse. Ferguson is a glaring example. Legit shooting by police officer is lied about, gets national attention, Obama even sent a representative from the WH to the dude's funeral. You know, the dude that beat the hell out of the cop and was advancing on him to beat him some more when he was shot?

All that flared up under Obama. It has continued to some extent under Trump, and while he has neither helped nor hurt it, he sure as hell didn't CAUSE it.

That said, the dude is an embarrassment.....he's been great for the economy, and not much else. And is likely to be reelected since the Dems have nominated a living fossil as their candidate. Any decent, moderate candidate IMO would have won easily, but Biden? What a joke. Dude will be 78 when he is sworn in if he wins. Nobody that age is up to that job.

[Pacfanweb]

The politically convenient and easy choice is always to go along with the will of the military. Instead, Trump bucked the conventional wisdom within his own party and took a strong stance against the Iraq War and bipartisan leaders who enabled it, including Biden. He has also made appreciable detente efforts with adversaries like North Korea. For this alone, he deserves credit. In contrast, Obama destabilized Libya and blew up 7 countries.

That much is true. He pulled us out of Iraq way too early, contrary to what our military advised, and threw away all the progress that was made there.
Libya was a total disaster. Syria today is on Obama. He was an absolute disaster, foreign-policy wise.

[Monker]

The politically convenient and easy choice is always to go along with the will of the military. Instead, Trump bucked the conventional wisdom within his own party and took a strong stance against the Iraq War and bipartisan leaders who enabled it, including Biden. He has also made appreciable detente efforts with adversaries like North Korea. For this alone, he deserves credit. In contrast, Obama destabilized Libya and blew up 7 countries.

That much is true. He pulled us out of Iraq way too early, contrary to what our military advised, and threw away all the progress that was made there.
Libya was a total disaster. Syria today is on Obama. He was an absolute disaster, foreign-policy wise.

First of all, the US involvement in Libya was somewhat limited to air support and planning. When it was over, NATO is who managed the country, not the US. So, to place all blame on the US for the result is a bit of a fallacy. I would also point out that it was to rid the country of a truly insane dictator...not a made up excuse like fictional WMD.

IMO, pulling out of Iraq wasn't the issue.l ISIS was not much of a threat before that happened. The issue was he was slow to recognize the true threat of ISIS and was very slow to take it serious and respond.

What it seems TNC is implying is we should leave Afghanistan. Trump is/was/whatever negotiating with the Taliban to do so. So, you are essentially going to see the Taliban take over Afghanistan. Are you OK with the Taliban ruling Afghanistan after all of these years of war?

[Monker]

The USA's status as world leader took a huge hit when Obama went on his "world apology" tour.

This just isn't true...it's Republican propaganda.

Trump certainly hasn't improved it, but anyone that's objective realizes that our status took a huge hit under the previous occupant of the White House.

Trump acts like a buffoon on the world stage. From the beginning he has been upstaged by every ally leader he comes across. He is so backwards that he is more comfortable around Kim, Xi, and Putin....who WANT to cozy up to him for their own reasons.

Same with the racial stuff going on....all that started under Obama.

Such a farce. When did Rodney King happen and LA riots? This has been an issue in the US for decades, or even hundreds of years. Blaming Obama is laughable. The problem with Trump is he ignores it, or even fans the flames with some of his inciteful remarks.

All that flared up under Obama. It has continued to some extent under Trump, and while he has neither helped nor hurt it, he sure as hell didn't CAUSE it.

"to some extent"? I do not remember ANY racial protests in this city until this year. It was NEVER like this under Obama.

That said, the dude is an embarrassment.....he's been great for the economy, and not much else.

His affect on the economy was a farce. He spurred it on with a tax cut...but that is only a temporary thing. The new NAFTA is just an update on the old and renamed...not THAT much of a difference. The tariffs, and the trade war with China, those are huge...causing some companies to move overseas. We were due for a recession, and his horrible response to the virus popped the economic bubble that HE created...it was inevitable.

And is likely to be reelected since the Dems have nominated a living fossil as their candidate. Any decent, moderate candidate IMO would have won easily, but Biden? What a joke. Dude will be 78 when he is sworn in if he wins. Nobody that age is up to that job.

And, Trump is 74. Not that much of a difference. As I have said, as of RIGHT NOW, Biden would win EASILY. Trump has a lot of catching up to do, not a lot of time to do it, and he does not seem to know how to do it. The age thing, or the "something is wrong with Biden" isn't working at all.

[Andrew]

The USA's status as world leader took a huge hit when Obama went on his "world apology" tour.

No. As someone living in a country that actually gets fed world news and affairs on a daily basis, this is just not true at all. Obama had a huge amount of respect and America was respected and his work regulating Wall St and for the environment was applauded.

He may not have been perfect and had his issues - but in a country like the USA, I don't believe Jesus himself could unite some of the extreme nut jobs involved in politics there.

[Pacfanweb]

4 years when you're in your 70's is like 4 years when you're in your single digits, or at least the early double digits in age.

Can be drastic, drastic changes in a very short time. Nobody in the history of the Earth at 78 has ever had any business beginning to run a country, much less one like the USA.
Now if you're ended things up at that age....still not ideal, but WAY better than starting off at 78. You're just not sharp enough to do it at that age, and Biden was never known for being very sharp at any point in his life, much less now.

Dude, there were racial protests all over under Obama. All sorts of racial incidents, many of which weren't even legit (like Ferguson) but it didn't stop the rioting. Obama was known as the Great Divider for a reason. He had such potential to fix a lot of things and failed.
Yes, "to some extent", because it's been a continuation of what started under Obama. Big racial incidents had been few and far between for a long time until Obama's time as President. There were more under him than I can remember in my adult lifetime combined prior.

The economy: 100% on Trump at this point. Corporation after corporation announced bonuses, raises, new hirings, and HUGE infrastructure updates and new construction, in direct....repeat, DIRECT response to Trump's tax cuts. There's no arguing it, it's a stone cold fact. Many of them said that what Trump did was the reason.
That has continued to this day. The Dow reached its highest point ever this past February. The economy was slowly gaining under Obama (despite what he did to it) but kicked into overdrive when Trump took over.
Hell, Obama literally blamed Bush for every single thing that was bad right up until his last month in office. 8 years in and it's still Bush's fault.

That's the main thing I give Trump credit for....businesses knew the operating climate would improve under Trump, and it did, and they responded. Unemployment went down. Blacks had their lowest unemployment numbers, ever.

Now I don't like a lot else he's done, and hate when he opens his mouth to say much of anything, but there's just no arguing with any sort of facts that he didn't directly kick start the economy.

Foreign policy: Yeah, Trump didn't kiss Putin's ass like Obama did. Remember the "I'll have more flexibility after the election" comment?
He got North Korea to basically shut up. They were firing missiles and regularly causing a ruckus and threatening action, and they have toned down their nonsense greatly. Told Iran to STFU and they mostly have. They tried to get a little rowdy, Trump took out their head general in charge of terrorism and they whimpered to a stop.
And now they are being cyber-destroyed, basically.
He might be goofy and stupid sounding, but he's gotten some stuff done. And he's looked dumb other times as well, no doubt...but you cannot just across the board say he's sucked in that area, although I wouldn't say he's really great, either.

Overall, I wish another Republican or two would have challenged him this time. And I wish the Dems wouldn't have gone "geriatric or socialist, no in-between" with their choices as well.

Biden's chances hinge greatly on who he chooses as his running mate, given the high probability that his VP will end up being the President. If he chooses someone like an Elizabeth Warren, he's done. If he finds say, a moderate governor, then I think he might win. But he can't go with someone from the radical left, that'll push folks to once again hold their nose and vote for Trump. Or stay home, which might be just as bad for Biden.

[Monker]

Well, age is not going to be an issue. Trump is also in his 70's. So, complaining that Biden is 4yrs older than Trump is a bit silly.

Trump's response to the race protests has been horrible. Threatening police violence, ignoring state and local rights by saying he'll send in troops, and just simply fanning the flames. All he accomplished was talking to his hardened 35% base - and that is not going to get him elected.

Trump owns the current downfall of the economy. He inherited a good economy. It wasn't perfect but it much improved over what W gave Obama. Trump did do some deregulation - and there is room to argue that some of it was bad for things like the environment...and gutted Dodd/Frank which was put into place to avoid a repeat of the Great Recession. And, trade deals...the new NAFTA did some things, but it was not a huge rewrite. These are things that are "OK".

However, he also raised various tariffs. Tariffs are a tax on the American people...because it raises the price of goods...which is inflation. He also started a trade war with China, which is more inflation. All of these things put pressure on companies to raise their prices - because it cost more to make things. For example, Harley Davidson stop production in the US because they felt they would have to raise the price too high for their consumers - and it was cheaper to build things over seas.

In addition to this, he did the corporate tax cut. You think that businesses invested that money back into their companies. The fact is that some of those companies had already planned those bonuses or hiring more workers. I believe an example of that is Apple. The FACT is that most companies did stock buy backs. When a company does this, it raises the price of the stock...therefore those who hold the stock make money, which is mainly executives.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemariek ... d1133337fb

And, that's a Forbes article, a conservative source...not a liberal hack site. Only recently, after the virus, did Trump recognize the issue with buy backs.

So, you have rich people gaining more money, and a few things happening to produce inflation. So, the Fed wanted to raise interest rates to slow down the economy - and they needed some breathing room because interest rates were already close to 0. But, Trump started critiquing the Fed, and blah, blah, blah. Whether that is the reason or not, the Fed held off a bit on raising rates...and that is not a good thing.

So, you now have an overheated economy, inflation pressures, a Fed that will not act, and bloated stock marked that did not represent the reality - even when short term bonds had a higher interest than long term bonds - an indicator that a recession is coming. The market ignored all of this to hit that record high. We were in a bubble...the market was WAY over valued.

Then the virus hit and popped the bubble.

The stock market that you point to did exactly what it was supposed to do when it crashed a few months ago. Stocks were over valued and they crashed. To fight a recession, one of the main tools the Fed uses is to lower interest rates...but they couldn't do much because they were already near 0 due to Trump's whining.

Then he mismanaged the virus and gave ZERO leadership,,,and never has. Governers and mayors shut down the economy - not Trump. Then Trump encouraged them to open the economy FAR too early so many areas may have to lock down again. ALL of this uncertainty hurts the economy...and Trump's failed leadership is at the head of it. He got us here by over heating the economy, whining about the Fed's decisions, and mismanaging the virus. He owns this "recession" that we are in.

Unemployment - funny how when he was running he said the numbers were fake...but as soon as he gets in office the numbers are real. There is video of him doing a rally in 2016 where he said the "real" unemployment rate was 30%. That is just crazy., for 2016. But, not too long ago it was around 20%. Also, during the Great Recession, we were loosing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month...and that was horrible. During Trump's virus response, we were losing MILLION of jobs per month.

So, Trump owns the failure of the economy. He owns the fact that the federal government had no leadership for the virus. I think most voters KNOW this.

Vice President. As long as he does bit pick a Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin, it won't matter much. So, as long as they can spell "potatoe" correctly, and can say which magazines they read, the choice will be fine. Elizabeth Warren would be an excellent choicem Imo. I doubt very much that will cause Democrats to stay home...I think it would unite the party. And,if Trump goes down the "Poccahanos" path, I think it will backfire. In fact, I thought Warren maybe made a deal with Biden and Sanders to not endorse either and in exchange who ever got the nomination she would be VP for that person. HOWEVER, now with the race issue so hot, maybe he will choose a black woman. The only one I do not like is Kamala Harris...she just seems to reckless.

IMO, most people see most of this. If not, the Lincoln Project has been throwing some great ads at Trump to emphasize some of this. At this time, Biden is WAY ahead...15pts or so nationally, ahead in almost all swing states, and is challenging some Republican states - like Texas. At election time, Clinton had a three point lead nationally and if you look at the swing state polls at election time, Trump had caught up to Clinton.

So, IMO, right now, Biden would CRUSH Trump...and I am not seeing a Trump that is willing to do anything about it to win.

[Andrew]

Fuck me...

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[Andrew]

Fuck me...

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[Monker]

Fuck me...

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Yeah, he's just trying to change to the topic of discussion away from the virus. IMO, his handling of the virus, the number of deaths, and the economy collapse is going to cause him to lose the election. Things are worse now than they ever have been and Trump is just ignoring it, basically saying he handled it perfectly by the China ban and the Europe ban months ago. He is ignoring the reality that people are living in...watching people they know die. Ignoring it does not make it magically disappear, as he hopes it will.

His supporters think the virus is a big hoax. That it is not as bad as it looks. They still think it is like the flu. The ubelieve Democrats have some wild scheme to jack up the numbers and WANT the economy to collapse. So, they believe in some huge left wing conspiracy. That is just as crazy, if not MORE crazy, than when Hillary said there was this huge right wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton. The FACT is that Trump has left the response up to governers of the states and is blaming them, and some governers are leaving it up to city mayors, blaming them. Then when some city mayors want to make wearing a mask in public mandatory, the governer orverrides them. So, it is all a bunch of passing the blame, instead of take leadership and DOING SOMETHING> This is a NATIONAL problem and needs a NATIONAL response or we are never going to get out of it. Trump has proven that he is unable to do that and his incompetence has literally KILLED people.

[Andrew]

Most here are wondering where the leadership in the USA is.

I did see another RWNJ on YouTube sprouting how its a fake political conspiracy etc....do these people know there are countries outside the USA? They seem to live in a self-obsessed bubble.

[Monker]

These are so great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTpF-ucHCqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoY-eYOB7FE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSDZbtOZUYg

[Andrew]

National TV news headline tonight - America suffers its worst day of new cases, while the president remains silent.

[The_Noble_Cause]

New NYTimes Reporting:

"F.B.I. Agent in Russia Inquiry Saw Basis in Early 2017 to Doubt Dossier"

Again, I thought this site said it was verified.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/p ... trzok.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, now Andrew is among the loudest pro-war voices. Like I said, it's a dumb argumentm

And you are just a chicken-hawk apologist. Neocons should sign up or stfu.

In the early 2000's, at the start of the Iraq War, Trump was pretending to be a liberal Democrat. He was a member of the Democrat Party. It was not until 2009 when he switched parties and started pretending to be a conservative Republican. So, he wasn't exactly going against his own party since it was the Republicans who wanted the war, the Republicans who tried to justify the war...and the liberal Democrats were the only ones against it, while the moderates -- as you mention - were drawn into it.

He was literally on the GOP debate stage mocking candidates in favor of Iraq. He lit up Jeb's brother. It was a sight to behold and has continued to cost him politically.

[Monker]

So, now Andrew is among the loudest pro-war voices. Like I said, it's a dumb argumentm

And you are just a chicken-hawk apologist. Neocons should sign up or stfu.

I don't think pointing out how ridiculous it is to call Andrew one of the loudest pro-war voices makes me anything other than someone pointing out the ridiculous.

I was calling people chicken-hawks long before this forum ever existed.

In the early 2000's, at the start of the Iraq War, Trump was pretending to be a liberal Democrat. He was a member of the Democrat Party. It was not until 2009 when he switched parties and started pretending to be a conservative Republican. So, he wasn't exactly going against his own party since it was the Republicans who wanted the war, the Republicans who tried to justify the war...and the liberal Democrats were the only ones against it, while the moderates -- as you mention - were drawn into it.

He was literally on the GOP debate stage mocking candidates in favor of Iraq. He lit up Jeb's brother. It was a sight to behold and has continued to cost him politically.

It doesn't change the fact that he was a Democrat when the Iraq war started...and he was a Democrat up to 2009. He was pretending to be a typical liberal Democrat spouting off typical liberal Democrat views on Iraq when the war first started. Just because he was pretending to be a conservative Republican during the last election does not mean he is going change his views on things he feels he has an advantage on. Other things, like abortion, he changed his views on to appear more acceptable to conservative Republicans. His only value is to do what is best for him. It is VERY obvious.

[Andrew]

It is VERY obvious.

Not to Trump's nut-swingers.

[Andrew]

Sorry for any missing posts - I'm swapping servers again and it's still not perfect.

[Monker]

A couple things...

I think I said where up above about the crazy conspiracy things some Republicans believe. A few days ago, CNN did a special about this very topic. People STILL believe in "Pizzagate", which is crazy. There is a thing called Q-Anon which has a large following...there is basically a guy who write bullshit cryptic posts and his follower pick them up and try to decipher them...thinking this guy is a member of Trump's inner circle and spying on the "deep state". It's picked up by a lot of alt-right commentators who reference Q-Anon. Even Don Jr. has made used some of their slang and messaging. It's crazy.

But, the biggest thing is how is setting up the next election so he can call it rigged and fake, etc...by pointing to mail in voting as fradulent...which is bullshit. Like I have said, I've done it for DECADES. There NEEDS to be a plan in place to remove Trump if he loses...so he can't refuse to leave and hold on to power by calling it a fake election.

Finally, I want to say he has done a complete turn around on the virus. Suddenly it is going to get worse before it gets better, masks are an OK thing, canceling the Republican convention for safety...after spending months modeling the EXACT OPPOSITE behavior. Again, it is OBVIOUS he is only doing this because his polls have completely collapsed...and it is because of his failed leadership of the virus. Anybody who falls for this are complete idiots, he doesn't give a damn about the virus...he just wants to be reelected.

[Andrew]

He'll change his mind in 2 weeks when he gets bored again. What a moron.

[RPM]

He'll change his mind in 2 weeks when he gets bored again. What a moron.

You would definitely know first hand about Moron's wouldn't you. # prime Example

[Monker]

He'll change his mind in 2 weeks when he gets bored again. What a moron.

You would definitely know first hand about bored Moron's wouldn't you. # prime Example

If any other person were President and sending in HSA "agents" to "help" police in their policing of local protest, against the local officials will, he would be called a fascist...especially if it were a Democrat. Trump is a wannabe tyrant...he consistently acts that way and his zombies just go along with it. What you do not want to admit, or have myopia about, is allowing him do to these acts of a dictator are enabling future Presidents of EITHER PARTY to do the same thing. Think about that. How many Trump zombies would want: Carter, Clinton, Obama, or Biden+ to send in federal officers to police a city that did not want them there? How many Trump zombies would scream "fascist" at the top of their lungs. How many would want ANY Democrat thrown out of office for doing the the same things Trump has been doing this year? Failing in the response to the virus. Having federal police tear gas protesters to clear a way to a photo op. Sending federal officers to cities who do not want them there to police local protests. Trump is far outside the realm of normal leadership...and there is NOTHING anybody is going to do about it. The only thing that CAN be done is to vote him out of office...and people are starting to realize that...even some of his former supporters who are NOT zombies.

If he loses the election, are YOU going to stand by this guy when he says the election was fixed, it was a sham, there were millions of cases of voter fraud...and on and on. Or, are you going to realize that there is no way Trump is going to leave office gracefully...and that it may take the Capital police to threaten to arrest him to leave? Trump is a danger to this country. He is a danger to liberty and freedom. He has PROVEN that via his actions the past few weeks.

[RPM]

He'll change his mind in 2 weeks when he gets bored again. What a moron.

You would definitely know first hand about bored Moron's wouldn't you. # prime Example

If any other person were President and sending in HSA "agents" to "help" police in their policing of local protest, against the local officials will, he would be called a fascist...especially if it were a Democrat. Trump is a wannabe tyrant...he consistently acts that way and his zombies just go along with it. What you do not want to admit, or have myopia about, is allowing him do to these acts of a dictator are enabling future Presidents of EITHER PARTY to do the same thing. Think about that. How many Trump zombies would want: Carter, Clinton, Obama, or Biden+ to send in federal officers to police a city that did not want them there? How many Trump zombies would scream "fascist" at the top of their lungs. How many would want ANY Democrat thrown out of office for doing the the same things Trump has been doing this year? Failing in the response to the virus. Having federal police tear gas protesters to clear a way to a photo op. Sending federal officers to cities who do not want them there to police local protests. Trump is far outside the realm of normal leadership...and there is NOTHING anybody is going to do about it. The only thing that CAN be done is to vote him out of office...and people are starting to realize that...even some of his former supporters who are NOT zombies.



If he loses the election, are YOU going to stand by this guy when he says the election was fixed, it was a sham, there were millions of cases of voter fraud...and on and on. Or, are you going to realize that there is no way Trump is going to leave office gracefully...and that it may take the Capital police to threaten to arrest him to leave? Trump is a danger to this country. He is a danger to liberty and freedom. He has PROVEN that via his actions the past few weeks.

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....Your sitting in an Iowa cornfield, what do you know about cities being destroyed?
what you hear from Rachel madcow? While I don't live directly in the city of Chicago, I welcome all feds they can spare.
We have children (mostly black) being murdered constantly but they don't seem to matter.
Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws but its no use, these are criminals.
Just yesterday The feds Trump brought in already took 3 gang bangers with modified weapons of the street.
So I am all for it. This election will come down to this.
do you want our Country to look like Seattle, Portland, Atlanta, Chicago, Minneapolis, parts of L.A.
& NYC ? If so Biden is your guy. You will have tremendously higher taxes to pay for less service.
I see it completely opposite of you, and that maybe how divided the country is.
We will find out soon enough. You should have learned by now not to judge the pulse of the country
by polls & media but I see you haven't. thats fine, I see your terrified if he loses he wont leave the office,
I think we have much bigger problems to worry about.

[Monker]

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....Your sitting in an Iowa cornfield, what do you know about cities being destroyed?

Not a good start for you. I sit in a metro area of more than a half million people, and I've already posted about some of the protests and my opinion of it.

what you hear from Rachel madcow?

Well, you don't know what you are talking about. I can't stand Rachel Maddow...she is about as watchable as Hannity to me.

While I don't live directly in the city of Chicago, I welcome all feds they can spare.

I don't care what you think...because Trump has made this a federal issue, your local opinion doesn't really matter much. What matters is what the Chicago mayor thinks...and the mayor is back and forth on this.

And, your whining about Chicago doesn't address the point I was making that if it is OK for Trump to send federal "officers" to police these cities then it would have been OK for; Carter, Clinton, Obama, and it would be OK for Biden to do it. I do not believe that any of you zombies would allow that. It would have been called out even louder than what has happened since Trump has done it.

Policing is a local matter...not a federal one. There is a reason why there is no federal police department. IMO, these Homeland Security officers should be disbanded so they can no longer be used for such political purposes. They are being misused. If Trump can do it, than anybody can for any made up excuse...so that possibility of misuse and abuse should be removed.

This election will come down to this. do you want our Country to look like Seattle, Portland, Atlanta, Chicago, Minneapolis, parts of L.A. & NYC ?

Well, for now, you are wrong. Right now the issue is Presidential leadership and the coronavirus. All you have to do is start looking...something like 75% of people think the country is going in the wrong direction. Trump's approval is around 40%. His approval of how he is handling the virus has tanked. People trust Biden more on every issue, except the economy where it is basically tied.

Most people are not looking at the policing issue the way Trump wants them to. That's just a simple fact. Maybe that will change, maybe not...but RIGHT NOW, it's not helping him.

You will have tremendously higher taxes to pay for less service.

Not true. He has stated very clearly that he will raise the corporate tax rate back up to 28%...which is still lower than it was before Trump's corporate tax cut. That is how he is paying for what he has been proposing.

We will find out soon enough. You should have learned by now not to judge the pulse of the country
by polls & media but I see you haven't.

As I have said, the polls judged the last election correctly. The media misrepresented it. Nationally, Clinton won by about the percentage predicted. If you go state by state and look at the trends and the last poll, Trump was predicted to win.

And, right now, Biden is further ahead than Clinton was at this time...by a long ways. Trump knows this. That is why he demoted his campaign manager...you don't do stuff like that if you are winning.

I see your terrified if he loses he wont leave the office,
I think we have much bigger problems to worry about.

Not "terrified"...I am just saying that there needs to be a plan in place to remove him by the Capital Police, or somebody, in case he follows through with what HE said and does not accept the results of the election.

[Andrew]

He'll change his mind in 2 weeks when he gets bored again. What a moron.

You would definitely know first hand about Moron's wouldn't you. # prime Example

Yes, I've been watching Trump since the start and his RWNJ followers. America is in such good shape. Good job President!

[Andrew]

Well...everyone knew it was coming...

The official "postpone the election' tweet has made its appearance.

What a crook. Of course the RWNJs will go along with this just fine....just like everything else.