President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually - it was 4 years (2002 - 2006). The liberal congress has led us down the economic road we now travel.

This is false.
And it wasn't till recently that the Dems held more than a hair's breadth majority dependent on Holy Joe Lieberman.

I guess you missed that Jimma had us at 20% interest rates and 0% confidence, but you keep up your blind BS.

The high interest rates were designed by Volker to defeat inflation.
It worked.
Reagan kept him on, and he's on Obama's team too.

You cheer Obama putting down this great country,

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and his Facist administration...

What - did he do away with habeas corpus and legalize torture or something?

[Lula]

You cheer Obama putting down this great country, and his Facist administration uising the race card whenever they can. You side with the Pelosi's and the Glover's and the Penn's and the Castro's and the Chavez's and the Reid's and the Holder's and see where it gets you.

Obama's vision for America is NOT what this country is about.

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

obama's vision? do you mean to see all citizens have a chance at that silly american dream? what vision are you speaking of?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Since when could a news organization not report the news without being labeled as being an advocate?

I just watched a segment on Fox Business Network's Cavuto, the "Fox Business All Stars," and a prompt had arisen about the "tax day tea parties." One of the people on there accused Fox News of being an advocacy group simply because they're reporting from certain sites. I don't get it. Anyone getting an explanation from it?

FOX News isn't just covering the tea parties (which, admittedly, is their responsibility), they are promoting them.
More damning still, they are touting guest appearances by their star lineup (Beck, Hannity, Cavuto, etc) as if to help boost attendance.
Big difference.
Did you see any "liberal" news commentators getting into bed with the thousand man strong Iraq protests a few years back?
Of course not, and those widely attended worldwide protests barely garnered any coverage.

It's also worth noting that these teabag parties aren't even real grassroots events.
They are partially funded and organized by a right wing think tank called Freedom Works.
In other words, fake events covered by a fake news channel - excluding Shep Smith, the last virgin in the Fox News whore house.

[G.I.Jim]

I think there are people on both sides of the aisle who are not willing to sign up and fight for their country. I never considered it, but I'm glad that other people have made that choice. It seems to me that a majority of young people who enlist right out of high school do it because they have always wanted a military career, they want the education assistance, or they don't feel that they have any other alternatives. It doesn't appear that many young men and women from 18-21 who enlist are doing so because of their party affiliations.

There are definitely people on both sides of the aisle not willing to sign up, and i for one am glad about that. I don't want to fight alongside guys who don't want to be there or are too much of a pussy to be there. What I was saying was that all these tough talking Conservatives on this Board have all the answers for military and terror crises, yet none of them(save for Stuart), ever went to the fuckin military. I went. I kind of know what is happening out there. I know about ambushes, Claymores, M16's, M113's, the whole thing. I hated the military, absolutely hated it. I went for the college assistance and while in the Army, I was a good soldier. I was platoon leader, and often found myself questioning why the Hell I was in there and for what reason? Most of the guys in there, as you said, are ambitious lifetime GI Joe wannabees, and that is a good thing because those types are needed. I was amazed though, at all the drill seargent hardcores, who seemingly can't think for themselves. They aren't allowed to vote anything but republican and I thought that was a bit funny. On election day, they told us all to go vote and vote republican. I smirked and said no fucking way. They were pissed at me from then on. Anyway, I am rambling, but my point of contention is that all the Cons on here who are pro "bang bang" and "blow them all up," are both naive and hypocritical.

Ahem...incorrect. And that 2nd line is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. In 18 years, nobody has ever told me what party to vote for. Who told you you weren't allowed to vote Democrat? You are surrounded in the military (for the most part) by people who believe in a core set of values. Many of which are conservative in nature. If the Libs had it their way, I wouldn't be able to own a gun to protect myself and my family. Also, most conservatives believe in a strong military. If you earn your paycheck form the military...WHY would we want someone elected that wasn't supportive of us?

Clinton took office, and what did he do? He reduced the size of the military...BIG time. I don't want my employer to downsize. And it's not just for my own paycheck...I want us to stay the strongest country in the world. I don't believe in "negotiating" with terrorists, as these assholes would just as soon behead you, Wyatt and Lulu, and air it on live t.v. than carry on a converstation with you. Your president wants to open up dialog with these kind of people without pre-conditions. THAT scares the hell out of me.

I sincerely appreciate your time of service, and sacrifice to your country. I hope you're right with your choice for president, and I hope he turns this country around. If he does... I'll eat my own words and never mention it on here again. I guess time will tell.

[Rockindeano]

Jim, I was saying that while in Basic Training at Benning, GA, all of the platoons were lined up ready to vote. The CO yelled out, "Now go vote for George Bush!" Of course they cannot make you vote GOP, but the obvious is there. These people, the hard core military only vote GOP. I have NO idea why that is to be honest. The Democrats have had just as many strong presidents than the republicans have had regarding defense. Remember, it's called Department of Defense, not Department of Offense. Remember Harry Truman? Remember Roosevelt? Those two were every bit as good or better than Reagan or Bush. Getting on TV and picking up a megaphone and saying to everyone who watching that we will bring em to justice, and then fail miserably in that regard, all the while lying about getting into another separate war is NOT being a strong military president.

I swear, you republicans can't see the forest for the trees. It's not a game. The one with the most toys doesn't win. America has deep political scars, deep international bruising and rightfully so. Obama is 100% correct when he cites our flaws. That isn't being a traitor or ahem, facist- that is being honest. He has the inenviable job of repairing America's political reputation. America is NOT the Soviet Union. America has values that it stands for, and wiping out these folks or those folks is not the criteria for a strong Country.

America's strengths is its' allies. Think about what that means for a minute.

[Eric]

You cheer Obama putting down this great country,

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Coming up with all of his negativity towards USA would take the time it takes to earn a 4 year degree, but here was just his latest BS last week:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... urope.html

[Eric]

Big fan of his column:

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12120165?source=bb

[Rockindeano]

And furthermore Jim, I know the military has it's set of values. I was in there. However, it's ok don't you think to think outside the proverbial military box? Do I have to hate gays? Do I have to hate environmentalists? Do I have to despise the Democrat? Aren't gays, Environmentalists and Democrats also Americans? It's the UNITED States of America, not the Republican Red States of What We desire you know?

I would love for Congress to draw up plans for a draft. I would love to see these outspoken Cons who advocate war and bombing and invasion actually put on the uniform. The Sean Hannity's, Dick Cheney's, Paul Wolfowitz's and Rush Limbaugh's of America. You know, the LOUD right as I call them. Hawkish motherfuckers who talk tough yet run away like mice when the lights go on when called to serve. Yeah, I know they are all too old and fat to even lace up boots, but there are younger cons just like them, who have the same exact beliefs. Look on this board here: Eric, Gideon, Deacon and FF to name a few. What's hold up boys? You want to advocate a strong hawkish tear em a new asshole military, then sign the fuck up. Oh wait, nevermind, scratch that. You don't have to, because you're white, and daddy has money. Let the poor niggers in Atlanta and Detroit serve, because they have no future anyway. let the military be their career. Let them get their black asses blown off. Don't think this isn't already happening. It has been this way for a long long time. And before any of you Cons throw out the name William Clinton, let the record show he went to Oxford, UK, and was a "conscientious objector." That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

[Eric]

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=1829

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media, throw catchy slogans "Change you can believe in" down our throats with his own personal logo, blames previous administration(s) for everything, has rampant corruption in his appointments and is heavily involved with organizations like ACORN who made the 2008 election fradulent.

[Rockindeano]

You cheer Obama putting down this great country,

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Coming up with all of his negativity towards USA would take the time it takes to earn a 4 year degree, but here was just his latest BS last week:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... urope.html

Here is the headline from the link you just posted Eric.


President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

[Rockindeano]

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=1829

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media, throw catchy slogans "Change you can believe in" down our throats with his own personal logo, blames previous administration(s) for everything, has rampant corruption in his appointments and is heavily involved with organizations like ACORN who made the 2008 election fradulent.

Now I see through you as the crybaby pussy you are. You want to talk fraudelent go back to 2000 and see the state Florida.

Scoreboard asshole.

By the way, 53-46 and 197 electoral college votes IS a landslide.

Weep away you big dickdouche.

[Eric]

These aren't scary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

[Rockindeano]

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media,

Every President wants to control the media. it's called Politics.

Say, what would you call George W Bush telling the media they couldn't publish photos of the dead GI's flag draped coffins coming back from Baghdad? Freedom of Speech?

By the way, Obama overturned that ridiculous bullshit.

[Eric]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

[Eric]

Let the poor niggers in Atlanta and Detroit serve, because they have no future anyway. let the military be their career. Let them get their black asses blown off. Don't think this isn't already happening. It has been this way for a long long time. .

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22452.pdf

The charts in this link show that the race of casualties is similar to the demopgraphic makeup of the country?

[Rockindeano]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

Impossible. Whilst the facts circle the story, certain powers that be insulated it enough where we the people can't uncover the truth.

The Bush Family is one of the worst corrupt families in history.

Everyone knows what happened, and if George W Bush had really wanted to serve the military and fly combat sorties, he would have rescheduled his physical. That ever happen?

[Eric]

I guess you missed that Jimma had us at 20% interest rates and 0% confidence, but you keep up your blind BS.

The high interest rates were designed by Volker to defeat inflation.
It worked.
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Double digit inflation existed too though?

[Eric]

obama's vision? do you mean to see all citizens have a chance at that silly american dream? what vision are you speaking of?

The American Dream is that if you work hard you'll have a good life. Obama's vision is that its not people's fault who don't work hard, its that America has been unfair to them, so lets try to make everyone equally successful regardless of any other variables.

[G.I.Jim]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

Impossible. Whilst the facts circle the story, certain powers that be insulated it enough where we the people can't uncover the truth.

The Bush Family is one of the worst corrupt families in history.

Everyone knows what happened, and if George W Bush had really wanted to serve the military and fly combat sorties, he would have rescheduled his physical. That ever happen?

The same could be said about the stories surrounding Obama's real birthplace. They're stories, and unless you have cold hard facts, they remain your opinion. How many days did Obama serve in the military?

[Eric]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

Impossible. Whilst the facts circle the story, certain powers that be insulated it enough where we the people can't uncover the truth.

The Bush Family is one of the worst corrupt families in history.

Everyone knows what happened, and if George W Bush had really wanted to serve the military and fly combat sorties, he would have rescheduled his physical. That ever happen?

Everyone huh? Didn't Dan Rather lose his gig over this BS? Why do you keep ragging on W about things you admit you can't even prove?????

[RossValoryRocks]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

Impossible. Whilst the facts circle the story, certain powers that be insulated it enough where we the people can't uncover the truth.

The Bush Family is one of the worst corrupt families in history.

Everyone knows what happened, and if George W Bush had really wanted to serve the military and fly combat sorties, he would have rescheduled his physical. That ever happen?

You mean the "evidence" Dan Rather made...errr...dug up....that was later proven as false as the accusations you are making?

Give it up bro. Yes Bush had a ton of fuckups...but Obama isn't exactly batting 1.000 right now either.

Props to him on the Pirates thing though.

Now let's talk about his health and human services nominee (#2 BTW) who had tax problems, and has now under reported contributions from one of the few doctors in the US that performs partial-birth abortions?

I am giving the President the benfit of the doubt, because he is my President and deserves as much, but he isn't impressing me right now on many issues.

Oh and can I quote you libs when Bush was in office..."Clinton isn't in office any more"...get over the Bush bullshit, this is the here and now and that is all that matters.

[Rockindeano]

The same could be said about the stories surrounding Obama's real birthplace. They're stories, and unless you have cold hard facts, they remain your opinion. How many days did Obama serve in the military?

You really think had Obama been born OUTSIDE the USA or any of its' properties, the GOP wouldn't have unturned every rock upon Earth to find out? LOL, come on Jim, now you are reaching, and it is making you look foolish and I know you aren't stupid.

As for Obama not serving, so what? He isn't one of the LOUD Hawkish assholes on Fox news talking up War at every turn. BIG difference. And he just proved he isn't soft with the pirate fiasco. That is a very delicate situation and still is. We can't just go in there unilaterally and clean all that crap out. They are holding over 200 sailors from different countries. We NEED allies. We need, Canada, France, Germany, Russia, England, Australia, Italy and so forth. We can't be seen by the Islamic world as a single Satan.

[Eric]

Actually - it was 4 years (2002 - 2006). The liberal congress has led us down the economic road we now travel.

This is false.
And it wasn't till recently that the Dems held more than a hair's breadth majority dependent on Holy Joe Lieberman.

Its NOT false. The GOP held control during just 2002-2006. You can spin it if you want, but thats the fact. Do I wish that they and everyone else in Congress would have better prepared for this crisis...YES, but if you go back to the period of 2002-2006 things looked good and any big movement to try and curb a potential crisis would have led to criticism by the likes of you!

[Rockindeano]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

Impossible. Whilst the facts circle the story, certain powers that be insulated it enough where we the people can't uncover the truth.

The Bush Family is one of the worst corrupt families in history.

Everyone knows what happened, and if George W Bush had really wanted to serve the military and fly combat sorties, he would have rescheduled his physical. That ever happen?

You mean the "evidence" Dan Rather made...errr...dug up....that was later proven as false as the accusations you are making?

Give it up bro. Yes Bush had a ton of fuckups...but Obama isn't exactly batting 1.000 right now either.

Props to him on the Pirates thing though.

Now let's talk about his health and human services nominee (#2 BTW) who had tax problems, and has now under reported contributions from one of the few doctors in the US that performs partial-birth abortions?

I am giving the President the benfit of the doubt, because he is my President and deserves as much, but he isn't impressing me right now on many issues.

Oh and can I quote you libs when Bush was in office..."Clinton isn't in office any more"...get over the Bush bullshit, this is the here and now and that is all that matters.

Was Dan Rather reaching? Of course he was. It cost him his job and his reputation. As I said earlier, the truth is too insulated to carve out. Who cares anyway? It's old news now.I am willing to bet though, a lot of Americans knowing what we know now, would have loved it if Danny boy could've cracked the stone, thus sparing us from four more years of Bush/Cheney/Rove.

As for Obama not batting a 1000%? Nope, but he his doing just fine. Approval rate still in the mid 60's and a new president always fumbles on the few first carries. Anyway, to prove my point, you Cons want to have an election right about now? LOL, you would get creamed yet again. Might as well support him, he is going to get re-elected again, because the economy HAS to improve and it will be on Obama's watch. 7 more years!

[Eric]

And he just proved he isn't soft with the pirate fiasco. That is a very delicate situation and still is. We can't just go in there unilaterally and clean all that crap out. They are holding over 200 sailors from different countries. We NEED allies. We need, Canada, France, Germany, Russia, England, Australia, Italy and so forth. We can't be seen by the Islamic world as a single Satan.

Okay...you're right...in theory. BUT, what if nobody else will help, like so often seems to be the case? THEN, what do you do?

[G.I.Jim]

The same could be said about the stories surrounding Obama's real birthplace. They're stories, and unless you have cold hard facts, they remain your opinion. How many days did Obama serve in the military?

You really think had Obama been born OUTSIDE the USA or any of its' properties, the GOP wouldn't have unturned every rock upon Earth to find out? LOL, come on Jim, now you are reaching, and it is making you look foolish and I know you aren't stupid.

As for Obama not serving, so what? He isn't one of the LOUD Hawkish assholes on Fox news talking up War at every turn. BIG difference. And he just proved he isn't soft with the pirate fiasco. That is a very delicate situation and still is. We can't just go in there unilaterally and clean all that crap out. They are holding over 200 sailors from different countries. We NEED allies. We need, Canada, France, Germany, Russia, England, Australia, Italy and so forth. We can't be seen by the Islamic world as a single Satan.

So I'm supposed to overlook the stories because there's no evidence against him. Yet, I'm NOT supposed to overlook the fact that there's no evidence against Bush's service? I don't understand your method of reasoning here, other than the fact that you support Obama. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's definitely your perogative. Trust me, if there were any truth to the Libs claims of Bush's military service...we'd have seen every document known by man to back it up. There are no documents.

[Rockindeano]

And he just proved he isn't soft with the pirate fiasco. That is a very delicate situation and still is. We can't just go in there unilaterally and clean all that crap out. They are holding over 200 sailors from different countries. We NEED allies. We need, Canada, France, Germany, Russia, England, Australia, Italy and so forth. We can't be seen by the Islamic world as a single Satan.

Okay...you're right...in theory. BUT, what if nobody else will help, like so often seems to be the case? THEN, what do you do?

These allies WILL help, if the cause is justified. Look at the Two wars ongoing now.

Afghanistan- Canada and the UK are major players. They won't leave even when things are getting shitty because the cause is justified.

Iraq- Oh oh. Some states signed on. UK, AUS and Spain. Canada, the US' closest neigbour says no. That has to tell you something.


We reach out and fix this reputation, as Obama is now, they will indeed come back.


The World loves the change we made. They love Obama.

[Eric]

And he just proved he isn't soft with the pirate fiasco. That is a very delicate situation and still is. We can't just go in there unilaterally and clean all that crap out. They are holding over 200 sailors from different countries. We NEED allies. We need, Canada, France, Germany, Russia, England, Australia, Italy and so forth. We can't be seen by the Islamic world as a single Satan.

Okay...you're right...in theory. BUT, what if nobody else will help, like so often seems to be the case? THEN, what do you do?

These allies WILL help, if the cause is justified. Look at the Two wars ongoing now.

Afghanistan- Canada and the UK are major players. They won't leave even when things are getting shitty because the cause is justified.

Iraq- Oh oh. Some states signed on. UK, AUS and Spain. Canada, the US' closest neigbour says no. That has to tell you something.

We reach out and fix this reputation, as Obama is now, they will indeed come back.

The World loves the change we made. They love Obama.

You know that a lot of our "allies" who chose not to help in Iraq did so for personal reasons (ex. France was getting oil kickbacks from Hussein).

Its NICE that the world likes Obama, but that doesn't make us safer.

[RossValoryRocks]

That's a big difference than some Texas rich kid who intentionally failed to show up for a flight physical loaded on cocaine.

Prove it.

Impossible. Whilst the facts circle the story, certain powers that be insulated it enough where we the people can't uncover the truth.

The Bush Family is one of the worst corrupt families in history.

Everyone knows what happened, and if George W Bush had really wanted to serve the military and fly combat sorties, he would have rescheduled his physical. That ever happen?

You mean the "evidence" Dan Rather made...errr...dug up....that was later proven as false as the accusations you are making?

Give it up bro. Yes Bush had a ton of fuckups...but Obama isn't exactly batting 1.000 right now either.

Props to him on the Pirates thing though.

Now let's talk about his health and human services nominee (#2 BTW) who had tax problems, and has now under reported contributions from one of the few doctors in the US that performs partial-birth abortions?

I am giving the President the benfit of the doubt, because he is my President and deserves as much, but he isn't impressing me right now on many issues.

Oh and can I quote you libs when Bush was in office..."Clinton isn't in office any more"...get over the Bush bullshit, this is the here and now and that is all that matters.

Was Dan Rather reaching? Of course he was. It cost him his job and his reputation. As I said earlier, the truth is too insulated to carve out. Who cares anyway? It's old news now.I am willing to bet though, a lot of Americans knowing what we know now, would have loved it if Danny boy could've cracked the stone, thus sparing us from four more years of Bush/Cheney/Rove.

As for Obama not batting a 1000%? Nope, but he his doing just fine. Approval rate still in the mid 60's and a new president always fumbles on the few first carries. Anyway, to prove my point, you Cons want to have an election right about now? LOL, you would get creamed yet again. Might as well support him, he is going to get re-elected again, because the economy HAS to improve and it will be on Obama's watch. 7 more years!

Since when does approval mean a person is doing the right thing? Opinions of the unwashed masses mean absolutely nothing in terms of success or failure, or of even doing the right thing.

Jim Jones, David Koresh and Charles Manson come to mind, they had masses of people who thought they were doing good too! Extreme example I know, and I am in no way comparing the Presdient to any of them. What I am saying is your notion of high approval rating meaning something is complete and utter bullshit.

Until Obama actually does something that will really fix anything his approval rating is irrelavent. People are looking for anything right now to hold on to in a positive way, and he is it, just like Bush was post 9/11. Which proves approval rating means nothing.

[separate_wayz]

I am a proud secular progressive. I celebrate Summer Solstice, Reagan’s Death, and Black History month.

Make no mistake: you were actively rooting for this Easter holiday to be tainted with Captain Phillip’s spilt blood.
That’s not projection on my part, the last page of this thread proves it.
The Republican party has gone from chanting “four more years!” in 2004 to “Death to America” in 2009.
My, what a difference a centrist, Wall Street-minted Democrat makes.
Enjoy your irrelevancy, traitorous ratfucks, you truly earned it.

It's truly sad to see someone go off their psych meds, even if they are douchetard.