President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

The World loves the change we made. They love Obama.

Really did you actually WATCH or LISTEN to the news during the G20???

Even socialist countries were saying the US was going to far under Obama.

I would say they respect him, but love him??? That is an overly strong statement as shows you have your lib blinders on. Do those come in prescription? Or just the regular rose tinted variety?

[Rockindeano]

The World loves the change we made. They love Obama.

Really did you actually WATCH or LISTEN to the news during the G20???

Even socialist countries were saying the US was going to far under Obama.

I would say they respect him, but love him??? That is an overly strong statement as shows you have your lib blinders on. Do those come in prescription? Or just the regular rose tinted variety?

The really Left states who you say don't love what the president is doing, are the ones who can't afford to spend in parallel fashion with us. Canada, UK, France are all on board. Spain, Australia and say, Japan are all out of money.

As for rose coloured glasses, I need to get me some of those the Journey fans have! Those things turn shit into beautiful arboretums.

Seriously, I thought all you Cons were hyping the downfall of the stock market as an Obama failure? Looks pretty strong to me.

[Lula]

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=1829

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media, throw catchy slogans "Change you can believe in" down our throats with his own personal logo, blames previous administration(s) for everything, has rampant corruption in his appointments and is heavily involved with organizations like ACORN who made the 2008 election fradulent.

oh shit, i didn't realize the author of the sparrowhawk series wrote something that refers to obama as a fascist and socialist!! must make it so. lol

[RossValoryRocks]

The World loves the change we made. They love Obama.

Really did you actually WATCH or LISTEN to the news during the G20???

Even socialist countries were saying the US was going to far under Obama.

I would say they respect him, but love him??? That is an overly strong statement as shows you have your lib blinders on. Do those come in prescription? Or just the regular rose tinted variety?

The really Left states who you say don't love what the president is doing, are the ones who can't afford to spend in parallel fashion with us. Canada, UK, France are all on board. Spain, Australia and say, Japan are all out of money.

As for rose coloured glasses, I need to get me some of those the Journey fans have! Those things turn shit into beautiful arboretums.

Seriously, I thought all you Cons were hyping the downfall of the stock market as an Obama failure? Looks pretty strong to me.

It's not his fault the market dropped so far when it became evident he was going to win, it was investors taking their money out as a result that crashed the market precisely because he will institute government policy that hurts people who make too much money, and thye define that as making over $250,000/year or is it $200,000??

Hell even the Rooney family restructured theire ownership of the Steelers with a eye to getting it done before Obama's policies took effect because they didn't want to take the tax hit, and they are HUGE Obama supporter (as you can tell by Dan Rooney being named ambassador to Ireland).

[Eric]

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=1829

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media, throw catchy slogans "Change you can believe in" down our throats with his own personal logo, blames previous administration(s) for everything, has rampant corruption in his appointments and is heavily involved with organizations like ACORN who made the 2008 election fradulent.

oh shit, i didn't realize the author of the sparrowhawk series wrote something that refers to obama as a fascist and socialist!! must make it so. lol

He doesn't really fit a fascist, but he and many liberals in power now are definitely socialists..or perhaps better labeled Anti-Capitalists. A lot of things that his administration and campaign did and do could be argued as being fascist, however.

[Rockindeano]

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=1829

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media, throw catchy slogans "Change you can believe in" down our throats with his own personal logo, blames previous administration(s) for everything, has rampant corruption in his appointments and is heavily involved with organizations like ACORN who made the 2008 election fradulent.

oh shit, i didn't realize the author of the sparrowhawk series wrote something that refers to obama as a fascist and socialist!! must make it so. lol

He doesn't really fit a fascist, but he and many liberals in power now are definitely socialists..or perhaps better labeled Anti-Capitalists. A lot of things that his administration and campaign did and do could be argued as being fascist, however.

So what? Have you not noticed, Capitalism ain't working too well now is it? And also, we haven't been a pure capitalistic state since the New Deal. If Capitalism is so fucking great, and laissez faire economic approach is the best bet, why the need to issue tax rebate checks to stimulate the economy like W did? Why did we have to spend our way out of the Great Depression? Why are we now having to spend our way out of the Bush recession/depression? Pure capitalism doesn't work, period.

[Eric]

this is a funny one!! i'm in a meeting trying to look busy and just chuckled out loud. fascist? you crack me up!!

http://www.capmag.com/news.asp?ID=1829

Obama and/or his admin want to control the media, throw catchy slogans "Change you can believe in" down our throats with his own personal logo, blames previous administration(s) for everything, has rampant corruption in his appointments and is heavily involved with organizations like ACORN who made the 2008 election fradulent.

oh shit, i didn't realize the author of the sparrowhawk series wrote something that refers to obama as a fascist and socialist!! must make it so. lol

He doesn't really fit a fascist, but he and many liberals in power now are definitely socialists..or perhaps better labeled Anti-Capitalists. A lot of things that his administration and campaign did and do could be argued as being fascist, however.

So what? Have you not noticed, Capitalism ain't working too well now is it? And also, we haven't been a pure capitalistic state since the New Deal. If Capitalism is so fucking great, and laissez faire economic approach is the best bet, why the need to issue tax rebate checks to stimulate the economy like W did? Why did we have to spend our way out of the Great Depression? Why are we now having to spend our way out of the Bush recession/depression? Pure capitalism doesn't work, period.

Bush recession/depression? What a stupid fucking thing to say. Although, I will say that the tax rebate last year was a TERRIBLE idea. The Great Depression was made Great by all the spending of the New Deal. WW2 got us outta of the depression, not the New Deal. Government intervention is making this recession worse, not better.

[Rockindeano]

Bush recession/depression? What a stupid fucking thing to say. Although, I will say that the tax rebate last year was a TERRIBLE idea. The Great Depression was made Great by all the spending of the New Deal. WW2 got us outta of the depression, not the New Deal. Government intervention is making this recession worse, not better.

Stupid thing to say? What would you call it? Oh I forgot, Clinton and the Dems are the one's responsible for our economic woes. How stupid of me to say that!

No wonder you people are out of power.

[RedWingFan]

If Capitalism is so fucking great, and laissez faire economic approach is the best bet, why the need to issue tax rebate checks to stimulate the economy like W did?

It was nothing more than a stupid political act done to help the Republican's election chances. But it also showed how useless rebate checks are compared to Bush's little tax cut which did boost the economy. GDP rose every year for his first 7 years.

Why did we have to spend our way out of the Great Depression?

FDR's spending prolonged the depression Dean. What got us out of the Great Depression was WWII.

Why are we now having to spend our way out of the Bush recession/depression?

I'll point out the first 7 years that were followed by the Frank/Dodd bubble bursting along with Obama's election poll #'s rising, turning the market to rubble.

[Rockindeano]

Why are we now having to spend our way out of the Bush recession/depression?

I'll point out the first 7 years that were followed by the Frank/Dodd bubble bursting along with Obama's election poll #'s rising, turning the market to rubble.

LOL.

Again, now you know why your party is so far away from any power it's almost depressing to watch. How is Exile treating you folks?

[RedWingFan]

Why are we now having to spend our way out of the Bush recession/depression?

I'll point out the first 7 years that were followed by the Frank/Dodd bubble bursting along with Obama's election poll #'s rising, turning the market to rubble.

LOL.

Again, now you know why your party is so far away from any power it's almost depressing to watch. How is Exile treating you folks?

Wow. Can't refute any facts in your post. Win your 3rd presidential election in 28 years and your giddy.
Dean do some research and find out how many 2 term presidents successfully saw their party's candidate get elected for the party! Big accomplishment the Bamster pulled off!

[Rockindeano]

Why are we now having to spend our way out of the Bush recession/depression?

I'll point out the first 7 years that were followed by the Frank/Dodd bubble bursting along with Obama's election poll #'s rising, turning the market to rubble.

LOL.

Again, now you know why your party is so far away from any power it's almost depressing to watch. How is Exile treating you folks?

Wow. Can't refute any facts in your post. Win your 3rd presidential election in 28 years and your giddy.
Dean do some research and find out how many 2 term presidents successfully saw their party's candidate get elected for the party! Big accomplishment the Bamster pulled off!

I knew you would come back with that. I am smarter than you Cons and know what you are going to say before you say it. So, with that, I remember Clinton's term ending and Gore getting his election ripped from him, but that being that, the Dems still maintained some Congressional power. It wasn't a whitewashing of political asskicking like this year was.

[Deacon]

So, with that, I remember Clinton's term ending and Gore getting his election ripped from him,

Source?

[Rockindeano]

So, with that, I remember Clinton's term ending and Gore getting his election ripped from him,

Source?

Go away. You are way in over your head here. Go back to Thread etiquette 101 you dolt.[/url]

[Deacon]

Go away. You are way in over your head here. Go back to Thread etiquette 101 you dolt.

So you don't have a source and you're just making wild accusations?

That's what I thought.

Good fight, Deano.

[jrnychick]

I think there are people on both sides of the aisle who are not willing to sign up and fight for their country. I never considered it, but I'm glad that other people have made that choice. It seems to me that a majority of young people who enlist right out of high school do it because they have always wanted a military career, they want the education assistance, or they don't feel that they have any other alternatives. It doesn't appear that many young men and women from 18-21 who enlist are doing so because of their party affiliations.

There are definitely people on both sides of the aisle not willing to sign up, and i for one am glad about that. I don't want to fight alongside guys who don't want to be there or are too much of a pussy to be there. What I was saying was that all these tough talking Conservatives on this Board have all the answers for military and terror crises, yet none of them(save for Stuart), ever went to the fuckin military. I went. I kind of know what is happening out there. I know about ambushes, Claymores, M16's, M113's, the whole thing. I hated the military, absolutely hated it. I went for the college assistance and while in the Army, I was a good soldier. I was platoon leader, and often found myself questioning why the Hell I was in there and for what reason? Most of the guys in there, as you said, are ambitious lifetime GI Joe wannabees, and that is a good thing because those types are needed. I was amazed though, at all the drill seargent hardcores, who seemingly can't think for themselves. They aren't allowed to vote anything but republican and I thought that was a bit funny. On election day, they told us all to go vote and vote republican. I smirked and said no fucking way. They were pissed at me from then on. Anyway, I am rambling, but my point of contention is that all the Cons on here who are pro "bang bang" and "blow them all up," are both naive and hypocritical.

Ahhh... I think I misunderstood your first post about this. I thought you meant conservatives in general, not just people on this board. It would piss me off to no end to be told how to vote.

[Rockindeano]

Go away. You are way in over your head here. Go back to Thread etiquette 101 you dolt.

So you don't have a source and you're just making wild accusations?

That's what I thought.

Good fight, Deano.

You are the reason I hardly come here anymore. Fucking annoying.

[Deacon]

You are the reason I hardly come here anymore. Fucking annoying.

Or you could stop the perpetual bitchfest whenever myself or Gideon calls you out on your bullshit and lies, like above.

You see, you cannot provide a source for that because your statement is wholly subjective... hell, that statement is false. George Bush legally won the election.

[Rockindeano]

Legally? LOL, ok, if you call the 5-4 Con slanted US Supreme Court quick stop decision "legal" I guess so. LOL, that election was stolen, big time. Hell, even Pat Buchanon said those votes weren't his, they were Gore's. Hey, tough to win when you have the Supreme court, Secretary of State of Florida and Governor of Florida on your side. Gore never had a chance once they pulled Florida off the map.

Don't bother responding, as I won't be reading it.

[Deacon]

Legally? LOL, ok, if you call the 5-4 Con slanted US Supreme Court quick stop decision "legal" I guess so. LOL, that election was stolen, big time. Hell, even Pat Buchanon said those votes weren't his, they were Gore's. Hey, tough to win when you have the Supreme court, Secretary of State of Florida and Governor of Florida on your side. Gore never had a chance once they pulled Florida off the map.

Don't bother responding, as I won't be reading it.

Either way, it was deemed legal. The post and the points within it are moot.

[Rockindeano]

It's not his fault the market dropped so far when it became evident he was going to win, it was investors taking their money out as a result that crashed the market precisely because he will institute government policy that hurts people who make too much money, and thye define that as making over $250,000/year or is it $200,000??

Hell even the Rooney family restructured theire ownership of the Steelers with a eye to getting it done before Obama's policies took effect because they didn't want to take the tax hit, and they are HUGE Obama supporter (as you can tell by Dan Rooney being named ambassador to Ireland).

I said this over and over again on the long election thread as it happened. THE BIG BOYS TOOK THEIR MONEY AND WENT HOME. There are a whole lot more $250,000 dollar CD's in banks than there used to be. Until that money gets back into the market we're gonna stay right where we are. With NY and O promising higher future taxes, I expect a lower market. People are finding different ways to keep their money and make some without Gov interference.

Oh we're not staying anywhere. This economy will resurrect itself and fairly soon. We will also be concurrently rebuilding this country with the stimulus package.

Like I said, the ONLY hope you CONS have is the economy not coming back...because if(and when) it does, the electorate will be happy as a pig in shit and re election will be certain.

[RedWingFan]

Hell, even Pat Buchanon said those votes weren't his, they were Gore's.

I saw plenty of video of those elderly folks down there state that they thought they were voting for James Buchanon!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

The Great Depression was made Great by all the spending of the New Deal. WW2 got us outta of the depression, not the New Deal.

Uh...WW2 WAS massive gov't spending...in the trillions.

Government intervention is making this recession worse, not better.

That's what Hoover's Treasury Secretary said.

[Deacon]

TNC, I just wanted to tell you that I want to concede the point on finding a government dossier on protocol. I haven't found one, and I doubt I will, so I'll reduce the point to being subjective.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Legally? LOL, ok, if you call the 5-4 Con slanted US Supreme Court quick stop decision "legal" I guess so. LOL, that election was stolen, big time. Hell, even Pat Buchanon said those votes weren't his, they were Gore's. Hey, tough to win when you have the Supreme court, Secretary of State of Florida and Governor of Florida on your side. Gore never had a chance once they pulled Florida off the map.

Don't bother responding, as I won't be reading it.

Either way, it was deemed legal. The post and the points within it are moot.

The Supreme Court may have deemed it legal, but not one of them signed their names to the majority opinion.
Additionally, the court's ruling said it was "limited to the present circumstances."
Translation - this opinion is valid for this case only and not to be cited in the future.
Doesn't quite sound like good law to me, now does it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, I just wanted to tell you that I want to concede the point on finding a government dossier on protocol. I haven't found one, and I doubt I will, so I'll reduce the point to being subjective.

Thanks Deacon.
Appreciate it.
DavePC also tries to own up when he's in the wrong.
You're a classy guy.

[Deacon]

Legally? LOL, ok, if you call the 5-4 Con slanted US Supreme Court quick stop decision "legal" I guess so. LOL, that election was stolen, big time. Hell, even Pat Buchanon said those votes weren't his, they were Gore's. Hey, tough to win when you have the Supreme court, Secretary of State of Florida and Governor of Florida on your side. Gore never had a chance once they pulled Florida off the map.

Don't bother responding, as I won't be reading it.

Either way, it was deemed legal. The post and the points within it are moot.

The Supreme Court may have deemed it legal, but not one of them signed their names to the majority opinion.
Additionally, the court's ruling said it was "limited to the present circumstances."
Translation - this opinion is valid for this case only and not to be cited in the future.
Doesn't quite sound like good law to me, now does it?

Subjectivity is a bitch, ain't it?

And thanks for the compliment. If I'm wrong or I can't find any substantiation, I'll admit to it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh and can I quote you libs when Bush was in office..."Clinton isn't in office any more"...get over the Bush bullshit, this is the here and now and that is all that matters.

Clinton was being blamed for a recession that started in March 2001 (as verified by National Bureau of Economic Research), as well as a terrorist attack that happened EIGHT months into Bush's first term.
Obama, on the other hand, was being blamed for the economic downturn before he somuchas placed his hand on the bible.

[The_Noble_Cause]

FDR's spending prolonged the depression Dean. What got us out of the Great Depression was WWII.

Unemployment went down every year under FDR until he listened to fiscal hawks and attempted to balance the books.
The result was the recession of 1938.
Your case holds up if you discount all the make work jobs as as not real work, but I happen to think the families of the men who built the Hoover Dam and the Golden Gate Bridge would take issue with that.

I'll point out the first 7 years that were followed by the Frank/Dodd bubble bursting along with Obama's election poll #'s rising, turning the market to rubble.

Dodd, Frank, ACORN, and the Community Reinvestment Act have very little to do with the burst housing bubble.
The real culprits were the no-money-down, no income, no asset, no credit check unregulated private lenders, whose loans were later sold to investment banks and bundled.
This was borne out by the Fed's report.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/ ... tment-act/

[The_Noble_Cause]

Its NOT false. The GOP held control during just 2002-2006. You can spin it if you want, but thats the fact.

Thought you meant the Dems took power in 2002.
Misreading on my part.
My bad.

Double digit inflation existed too though?

Yeah, but Carter inherited inflation.