MR

Posted: **Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:50 am**

Would you buy a C.D.,or a V.H. concert ticket if M.A. was booted out?

IVOTE ...............NO :!:

Posted: **Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:31 pm**

I can't see any form of VH continuing. If they do, it will likely have another singer and new bassist. I might be able to listen to it. But if they brought back Dave OR Sammy and NOT MA....no way! Of course we know Sammy won't do it w/o MA so that side is safe. And maybe even DLR knows he would need MA to make him sound ok... I just cannot see a VH without MA.

Posted: **Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:36 pm**

I really don't think I'd buy a CD or concert ticket for a band named "Van Halen" without Mike as a member. He has been an integral part of the band since its conception.

Of course, many of us were unknowingly purchasing VH music without MA when "Best of Both Worlds" was released, and that was, at the very least, unfair.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:01 am**

I would buy a CD with David Coverdale, Rudy Sarzo, Eddie Van Halen, and Alex Van Halen on it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:30 am**

Voyager wrote:I would buy a CD with David Coverdale, Rudy Sarzo, Eddie Van Halen, and Alex Van Halen on it.

Calling itself Van Halen?

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:30 am**

Voyager wrote:I would buy a CD with David Coverdale, Rudy Sarzo, Eddie Van Halen, and Alex Van Halen on it.

Eddie has a problem with big egos (except for his own), so I don't see him being able to work with Coverdale. Sounds good in thoery, though.

That Eddie and Alex have taken a disliking to Mike is just one more reason we'll probably never see Van Halen again in any incarnation we've ever seen before. And the way the brothers have shit on Mikey...after all his years of loyalty and never, EVER saying a bad word about them...if they DID ask him to play with them again, he should tell them to "fuck off". That's just how I see it.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:41 am**

I'd probably download it off the internet. :roll:

I think it would still sound okay, since most of the writing was Eddie, but I would really miss Mike's harmonies and his stage presence. If Journey or Gn'R can go out with their original band names in their current incarnations, I see no reason why Van Halen couldn't either, but I'd have a hard time feeling positive about it given how they really shit on Mike.

I doubt it'll happen though...even if they got a new singer, no one would care about the new music, just like audiences ignore the new music of most of the other classic rock bands, but VH couldn't fill arenas with a new singer either. VH is done...the best we're likely to get is some kind of Eddie solo project, which could be interesting in that, like VH3, it would put his guitar work in some different contexts, but it wouldn't be a substitute for what was Van Halen.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:23 am**

Eddie has a problem with big egos (except for his own), so I don't see him being able to work with Coverdale. Sounds good in theory, though.

Don't you mean it sounds bad in theory? :wink:

Even theoretically, Coverdale coming on board and working out is theoretically very, very unlikely, which makes the whole idea pretty preposterous.

In some imaginary world it might work, though.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:30 pm**

ltbob wrote:Would you buy a C.D.,or a V.H. concert ticket if M.A. was booted out?

IVOTE ...............NO

Nope...

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:36 pm**

Wouldn't work. To me it's all the players plus Dave and/or Sammy or it's not VH.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:41 pm**

Red13JoePa wrote:Wouldn't work. To me it's all the players plus Dave and/or Sammy or it's not VH.

Yeah, MA's voice is almost as important as Eddie's guitar.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:57 am**

NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Wouldn't work. To me it's all the players plus Dave and/or Sammy or it's not VH.

Yeah, MA's voice is almost as important as Eddie's guitar.

Just don't let him sing lead like the shriekfest that was Somebody Get Me A Doctor on the III tour.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:19 am**

The Confessor wrote:
Eddie has a problem with big egos (except for his own), so I don't see him being able to work with Coverdale. Sounds good in thoery, though.

Ted Nugent got over that, I would think if he tried, Eddie could too.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:21 am**

Angiekay wrote:

Ted Nugent got over that, I would think if he tried, Eddie could too.

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Help me out here...Ted got over what?

Speaking of Ted, though...I've had this idea for some time now. Eddie should be locked up with Nugent, who is about as anti-drugs and alcohol as you can get, for about a month. I'll bet Ted could whip a little "intervention" on Eddie. :lol:

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:03 am**

The Confessor wrote:

Help me out here...Ted got over what?

Having a huge ego...(well ok, he still has a big ego) but he's gotten past the "not being able to work with other people" because of it. I.E. Damn Yankees and mending fences with Derreck St. Holmes.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:41 am**

I see what you're saying. However, in Ted's case, he wasn't really dealing with another big ego. Shaw and Blades seem pretty laid back...and Derek St. Holmes is cool. I was just thinking that the clash of two big egos (Eddie and Coverdale) would spell trouble.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:47 am**

The Confessor wrote:I see what you're saying. However, in Ted's case, he wasn't really dealing with another big ego. Shaw and Blades seem pretty laid back...and Derek St. Holmes is cool. I was just thinking that the clash of two big egos (Eddie and Coverdale) would spell trouble.

True, but age mellows a person. So does a depleting bank account.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:07 am**

You're right...can't argue there. But, if Eddie chooses to work with "an ego" AND needs to re-supply his funds...there are three words that will do the trick. David Lee Roth.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:44 am**

The Confessor wrote:You're right...can't argue there. But, if Eddie chooses to work with "an ego" AND needs to re-supply his funds...there are three words that will do the trick. David Lee Roth.

Totally agree here...I think the DAVE reunion is just a matter of time. It is pretty obvious that as cool as it was to have Sam on the road with VH again, it just didn't generate the kind of buzz the brothers were probably looking for. I think it's a foregone conclusion that they'll play with Dave again at some point. (allthough I think the initial idea Sam had to go out with both singers together would've been the REAL big ticket!)
But i'll tell you this much ...if they do it without MIKEY, I ain't goin!

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:12 am**

X factor wrote:Totally agree here...I think the DAVE reunion is just a matter of time. It is pretty obvious that as cool as it was to have Sam on the road with VH again, it just didn't generate the kind of buzz the brothers were probably looking for. I think it's a foregone conclusion that they'll play with Dave again at some point. (allthough I think the initial idea Sam had to go out with both singers together would've been the REAL big ticket!)
But i'll tell you this much ...if they do it without MIKEY, I ain't goin!

Well, I've been thinking it was "a matter of time" for a long time now! You can never say "never". Then again, Eddie said "never"....but, you never know. :lol:

Too bad the time for it to be REALLY kick ass passed years ago, I'm afraid. No doubt, it would be a huge draw. Ticket prices would be outrageous...and VH would make a ton of money. And we (the fans) would get what we've been asking for for all these years. Preformance-wise, though, it would have been better if it had happened ten years ago.

And if Eddie and Alex can "mend fences" with Roth...you can bet Mike would be there, too. You couldn't have an "original" Van Halen reunion without him.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:22 am**

I'm pretty sure a Dave/VH tour would be a musical disaster...Dave was never much of a singer to begin with, it was all personality and showmanship (and spandex). I had fun seeing him in 2003 simply because they were great songs, but the fact is the man hasn't aged all that well, and unfortunately hasn't changed his act at all to reflect the fact that he's not the same Dave he was in 1982. People would go expecting it to look and sound like the "Panama" video, and when it didn't, I think people would be pretty disappointed. The reason the Sammy tour worked (relatively speaking) is that Sammy was never an outrageous frontman, he just got up and sang, and so even in his 50's, as long as the voice is there, it will be about the same as it was back in the day.

But with Dave being...Dave circa 2006 and Eddie not even knowing what song he's playing (judging by the 2004 bootleg I have), the money wouldn't last long once people realized that the shows weren't very good. I think Sammy saved Eddie's ass in '04 by being professional and on most of the time, I don't think Dave would be able to do that since he's as hit-or-miss as Eddie was.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:32 am**

WalrusOct9 wrote:I'm pretty sure a Dave/VH tour would be a musical disaster...Dave was never much of a singer to begin with, it was all personality and showmanship (and spandex). I had fun seeing him in 2003 simply because they were great songs, but the fact is the man hasn't aged all that well, and unfortunately hasn't changed his act at all to reflect the fact that he's not the same Dave he was in 1982. People would go expecting it to look and sound like the "Panama" video, and when it didn't, I think people would be pretty disappointed. The reason the Sammy tour worked (relatively speaking) is that Sammy was never an outrageous frontman, he just got up and sang, and so even in his 50's, as long as the voice is there, it will be about the same as it was back in the day.

But with Dave being...Dave circa 2006 and Eddie not even knowing what song he's playing (judging by the 2004 bootleg I have), the money wouldn't last long once people realized that the shows weren't very good. I think Sammy saved Eddie's ass in '04 by being professional and on most of the time, I don't think Dave would be able to do that since he's as hit-or-miss as Eddie was.

The most depressing part about your post is that it's ALL TRUE. :cry:

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:45 am**

WalrusOct9 wrote:I'm pretty sure a Dave/VH tour would be a musical disaster...Dave was never much of a singer to begin with, it was all personality and showmanship (and spandex). I had fun seeing him in 2003 simply because they were great songs, but the fact is the man hasn't aged all that well, and unfortunately hasn't changed his act at all to reflect the fact that he's not the same Dave he was in 1982. People would go expecting it to look and sound like the "Panama" video, and when it didn't, I think people would be pretty disappointed. The reason the Sammy tour worked (relatively speaking) is that Sammy was never an outrageous frontman, he just got up and sang, and so even in his 50's, as long as the voice is there, it will be about the same as it was back in the day.

But with Dave being...Dave circa 2006 and Eddie not even knowing what song he's playing (judging by the 2004 bootleg I have), the money wouldn't last long once people realized that the shows weren't very good. I think Sammy saved Eddie's ass in '04 by being professional and on most of the time, I don't think Dave would be able to do that since he's as hit-or-miss as Eddie was.

I agree with everything you said. Completely. But...if the reunion DID happen you'd buy a ticket anyway and be there like me, right? :lol:

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:46 am**

WalrusOct9 wrote:I'm pretty sure a Dave/VH tour would be a musical disaster...Dave was never much of a singer to begin with, it was all personality and showmanship (and spandex). I had fun seeing him in 2003 simply because they were great songs, but the fact is the man hasn't aged all that well, and unfortunately hasn't changed his act at all to reflect the fact that he's not the same Dave he was in 1982. People would go expecting it to look and sound like the "Panama" video, and when it didn't, I think people would be pretty disappointed. The reason the Sammy tour worked (relatively speaking) is that Sammy was never an outrageous frontman, he just got up and sang, and so even in his 50's, as long as the voice is there, it will be about the same as it was back in the day.

But with Dave being...Dave circa 2006 and Eddie not even knowing what song he's playing (judging by the 2004 bootleg I have), the money wouldn't last long once people realized that the shows weren't very good. I think Sammy saved Eddie's ass in '04 by being professional and on most of the time, I don't think Dave would be able to do that since he's as hit-or-miss as Eddie was.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. BUT , all things considered...if they could manage to tone Dave down a bit and get Ed off the sauce, I still believe it could be a real goldmine for them. Ultimately, you'd think these guys have to face mortality and realize,"Ok, i'm not gonna get TOO many more shots at this" and that something would spark in them that would get them back on track for one last, good ride.

Of course, I thought Gary Richrath would've gone back to SPEEDWAGON by now, and that Lawrence Gowan would be in the unemployment line with Blaze Bailey and Ripper Owens, so what the hell do I know?

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:21 am**

I don't know how much you follow VH but the brothers have repeatedly said no amount of money in the world would get them back together with Roth. They simply hate the guy. That's their biggest obstacle.

A reunion with Roth is about as likely as Maiden getting together with Di'Anno.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:26 am**

X factor wrote:if they could manage to tone Dave down a bit and get Ed off the sauce, I still believe it could be a real goldmine for them.

Those are two HUGE IF's right there!!

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:01 am**

Cato Alumni wrote:I don't know how much you follow VH but the brothers have repeatedly said no amount of money in the world would get them back together with Roth. They simply hate the guy. That's their biggest obstacle.

A reunion with Roth is about as likely as Maiden getting together with Di'Anno.

Followed em pretty closely for awhile now, and yeah, I know they SAY that...I also know that $ talks and BS walks...Many is the time people have sworn to never step onstage with someone only to do just that (Waters and Gilmore, anyone? Shit, if htose two can kiss and make up, even for a night, I think ANYTHING'S possible) And I also seem to remember that the bros had some really choice words for Sammy when he left, including Eddie (quite comically) threatening to kick Sam's ass the next time he saw him...(I believe that the quote was something to the tune of "He better be wearing a cup" or some infantile shit like that...)
And the difference in Di'anno rejoining Maiden is that no one would give a shit if he did. But I SEEM to remember some bad blood betwixt them and another recently returned singer...hmmm....

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:36 am**

X factor wrote:And the difference in Di'anno rejoining Maiden is that no one would give a shit if he did.

That was a good one.

Posted: **Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:57 pm**

The Confessor wrote:
Angiekay wrote:

Ted Nugent got over that, I would think if he tried, Eddie could too.

Help me out here...Ted got over what?

Speaking of Ted, though...I've had this idea for some time now. Eddie should be locked up with Nugent, who is about as anti-drugs and alcohol as you can get, for about a month. I'll bet Ted could whip a little "intervention" on Eddie. :lol:

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Ted is all bullshit. He talks a big game. Did you know he has been busted for DWI?

Posted: **Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:01 am**

Angiekay wrote:
The Confessor wrote:

Help me out here...Ted got over what?

Having a huge ego...(well ok, he still has a big ego) but he's gotten past the "not being able to work with other people" because of it. I.E. Damn Yankees and mending fences with Derreck St. Holmes.

Ted's gotten over big egos?????? What big egos has Ted played with...other than himself......I do agree.......Ted has gotten over playing with the big ego of Ted Nugent.

MR

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