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Any bit of news in the Van Halen world is usually good, but I have mixed emotions on this one. It's been discussed before whether a Roth-fronted VH would provide a good show. And, if they tour without Michael Anthony, will it still be VH as we've known it (no, of course)?

Those issues aside, I'm fired up about this bit of news! Thank you Andrew

I'll crank the credit card up and go see 'em, don't worry about that!!

Kenny wrote:I'll crank the credit card up and go see 'em, don't worry about that!!

Yep. Me too!

Hope they make it a true world tour and include Australia for a change!

"...nothing in the world of Van Halen is set until the band walk out on stage..."


That part sticks out to me more than anything else.

No new release? That really sucks. I think VH would have a much better chance of releasing a kick ass album than having a kick ass tour. They were hit and miss in their prime. How will they be 20-some years later?

I wonder how much tickets will be? A shitload, I'm guessing.


I predict this tour (if it does indeed happen) will be a MAJOR train wreck. But...that's just me. This should have happened 10 years ago.

W/out the REAL bassist, to me it's nearly pointless.


The suits who put this thing together should insist on and ensure Mike's inclusion.
As in No Mike? No sponsorship then.

Christ, we finally get to this point, a REAL reuinion w/ Dave and no Michael?

Red13JoePa wrote:W/out the REAL bassist, to me it's nearly pointless.


The suits who put this thing together should insist on and ensure Mike's inclusion.
As in No Mike? No sponsorship then.

Christ, we finally get to this point, a REAL reuinion w/ Dave and no Michael?

Couldn't have put it better myself!!

Red13JoePa wrote:W/out the REAL bassist, to me it's nearly pointless.


The suits who put this thing together should insist on and ensure Mike's inclusion.
As in No Mike? No sponsorship then.

Christ, we finally get to this point, a REAL reuinion w/ Dave and no Michael?

If, in fact, this tour happens...I'd be really surprised if Mikey isn't there. Eddie is just trying to punish him. He's pissed because after all those years in VH, Mike never farted without the "brothers" permission. Now, he's been out playing with Sammy...thus proving that he doesn't need Eddie and Alex to have a job...and it burns Eddie's ass.

I think Mike will be there.

I wonder how much of there shows will be dubbed???

It won't sound the same that's for sure, Mike's background vocals were a big part of the early VH sound.

I hope this is more than just a cash grab. I can't get excited about it without a new album.

Just found this nugget from an interview with Carmine Appice:


Rock N Roll Universe: Have you seen or talked with Eddie Van Halen lately? He seems to be a pretty lost soul these days...

Carmine Appice: I talked to him maybe a year ago. He seems to be out of his tree right now. (Laughs) He went over the deep end. I don't know what's going on with him. A friend of mine was really good friends with him, and also a really close friend of mine. He's called him over the past few months, and he told me he's just over the deep end. He bought a porn company, he's doing porno soundtracks for porn movies, he's with a very different bunch of people now. That tour with Sammy... I talked with Sammy when I was in Cabo a few months ago, and he said that Eddie was just impossible. Totally impossible to get along with. It's a shame, because he's such a great guitar player, and they're a cool band.

VH101 wrote:Any bit of news in the Van Halen world is usually good, but I have mixed emotions on this one. It's been discussed before whether a Roth-fronted VH would provide a good show. And, if they tour without Michael Anthony, will it still be VH as we've known it (no, of course)?

Those issues aside, I'm fired up about this bit of news! Thank you Andrew

This cannot be billed as the original VH without Anthony,plus Roth needs him as a back up singer! I think mngt will argue the point of Anthony needing to be in for it to be a proper reunion.How in hell can Eddie want to tour with Roth who he has real issues with and not Anthony.This tour will be just a big money maker and the fans will love it see you there!

Agree, I think the cooler heads of the suits will prevail....as had been suggested above, too, praps it's just the brothers posturing to publicly punish mad anthony a little bit but knowing full well it can't be pulled off to full effect w/out him.


Also, I need a new record....the direction they were GOING in w/ DLR in '96 w/ Me Wise Magic and Can't Get This Stuff No More was amazing. Those 2 songs are spectacular, better than the newbies in '04 w/ Sam.

Red13JoePa wrote:Also, I need a new record....the direction they were GOING in w/ DLR in '96 w/ Me Wise Magic and Can't Get This Stuff No More was amazing. Those 2 songs are spectacular, better than the newbies in '04 w/ Sam.

Exactly!

As I said above...I think VH have a MUCH better chance of putting out an new ass kickin' album with Roth, as opposed to just a tour. Their live show with Roth was always hit and miss...and I can't see that this time will be any different. Hopefully, the tapes will be rolling when they hit the stage. A DVD would be cool. Or embarassing. Too early to tell.

The Confessor wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:Also, I need a new record....the direction they were GOING in w/ DLR in '96 w/ Me Wise Magic and Can't Get This Stuff No More was amazing. Those 2 songs are spectacular, better than the newbies in '04 w/ Sam.

Exactly!

As I said above...I think VH have a MUCH better chance of putting out an new ass kickin' album with Roth, as opposed to just a tour. Their live show with Roth was always hit and miss...and I can't see that this time will be any different. Hopefully, the tapes will be rolling when they hit the stage. A DVD would be cool. Or embarassing. Too early to tell.

They were darker, heavier, more complex sorta then the old days.... New songs like that along w/ the classics would be great live.

I'd have to go get a second job if Van Halen reunited and put together a new album and tour. I'm willing to drop at least a Benjamin to see this lineup live.... even if Eddie is an uncooperative psycho.

Even though I am in the minority, being a Van Hagar fan, I would love to see that tour, with Mikey or Wolfie playing bass. I friggin loved "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More". I loved the 2004 tour that hit Philly, although as drunk as I was, I probably remember more than Eddie. If he could possibly keep it together, it could be great! A studio album would be more than can be expected, though. Can you imagine if they pulled it off?

Although I'm a Hagar era fan moreso than Roth, this is great news. I agree with most that without Anthony what's the point. I would like to think that if the suits don't insist on Anthony's involvment then Roth would take the lead and insist on Anthony being there! Hopefully Roth can see beyond the $ and ensure that it is the 'band' that re-unite. Would be worth seeing this live but I would be concerned whether Roth could cut it vocally. Some damn hard vocal preperation should be underway immediately...

As much as an eccentric MFer that Roth is, I'm sure they will make it work somehow. Sort of like watching a freak show.
Can't wait!!!

I'll say this with a lump in my throat. I could be wrong, but I could be right. Mike will get offered the biggest pay packet in his life and return to VH. Ed might be Ed, and have a vendetta against everyone but he wont be stupid enough to get Wolfie or anyone else to play bass. VH would'nt be VH without Mikes background vocals. Its as signature as Eddies guitar...everyone knows that. The only thing is that Sammy will be pissed off big time if Mike does it.....Who the hell knows?

I really hope this happens.

Just so that everyone can pay beaucoup dolluhz for their tix, get there, and realize DLR can't sing wortha shit these days and that most of his vocals are probably a DAT.

Fair Warning is my fave VH album, but Sammy's the real singer. I just wish 5150 had the same sound as 1984. Alex's drums on 5150 sounds like shit. Same goes for Mike's bass.

BRETT5150 wrote:I'll say this with a lump in my throat. I could be wrong, but I could be right. Mike will get offered the biggest pay packet in his life and return to VH. Ed might be Ed, and have a vendetta against everyone but he wont be stupid enough to get Wolfie or anyone else to play bass. VH would'nt be VH without Mikes background vocals. Its as signature as Eddies guitar...everyone knows that. The only thing is that Sammy will be pissed off big time if Mike does it.....Who the hell knows?

I obviously do not know Hagar personally, but I would assume that he knows Mike belongs on stage with VH if this happens. I think he would be the first one to tell Mike to go for it.

NealIsGod wrote:

BRETT5150 wrote:I'll say this with a lump in my throat. I could be wrong, but I could be right. Mike will get offered the biggest pay packet in his life and return to VH. Ed might be Ed, and have a vendetta against everyone but he wont be stupid enough to get Wolfie or anyone else to play bass. VH would'nt be VH without Mikes background vocals. Its as signature as Eddies guitar...everyone knows that. The only thing is that Sammy will be pissed off big time if Mike does it.....Who the hell knows?

I obviously do not know Hagar personally, but I would assume that he knows Mike belongs on stage with VH if this happens. I think he would be the first one to tell Mike to go for it.

I don't know Sammy personally, either. But, I have followed his career since the beginning. And I think you're right on...he would tell Mike that he needs to be there. Sammy is a pro, he's cool, and about as laid back as a person could be. I don't see him being pissed about any of this. Actually...unfortunately probably, this tour will just prove that Sammy is indeed the better performer on stage.

NealIsGod wrote:

BRETT5150 wrote:I'll say this with a lump in my throat. I could be wrong, but I could be right. Mike will get offered the biggest pay packet in his life and return to VH. Ed might be Ed, and have a vendetta against everyone but he wont be stupid enough to get Wolfie or anyone else to play bass. VH would'nt be VH without Mikes background vocals. Its as signature as Eddies guitar...everyone knows that. The only thing is that Sammy will be pissed off big time if Mike does it.....Who the hell knows?

I obviously do not know Hagar personally, but I would assume that he knows Mike belongs on stage with VH if this happens. I think he would be the first one to tell Mike to go for it.

Absoulutely...in fact from recent interviews Sammy'd be the first one to tell fuckin DAVE to go for it.
Hagar is so secure in his legacy and space in music that he's laid back about this stuff.

Man if you thought the 2004 tour was...um haphazard (i.e. sloppy), I can't even imagine a tour
with DLR & no Mike. It'd make the Grateful Dead sound over-rehearsed.

Yeah, I do agree with you guys. Sammy is mature too, a lot more mature than Eddie anyway. Sams been around longer than VHs career anyway, and is used to seeing musicians come and go.
Mike and Sam are both down to earth, I think they'll always be good freinds. But yes, everyone will know after this tour (if it happens) who the best is and always was. SAMMY HAGAR

bionic wrote:

VH101 wrote:Any bit of news in the Van Halen world is usually good, but I have mixed emotions on this one. It's been discussed before whether a Roth-fronted VH would provide a good show. And, if they tour without Michael Anthony, will it still be VH as we've known it (no, of course)?

Those issues aside, I'm fired up about this bit of news! Thank you Andrew

This cannot be billed as the original VH without Anthony,plus Roth needs him as a back up singer! I think mngt will argue the point of Anthony needing to be in for it to be a proper reunion.How in hell can Eddie want to tour with Roth who he has real issues with and not Anthony.This tour will be just a big money maker and the fans will love it see you there!

No, I think not. While I cannot think of VH w/o M.A., Van Halen is Eddie and Alex. Everyone else was a hired gun, technically. Eddie has stated to guitar industry friends of mine that he will not set foot on stage with Sammy and Michael again. They had no right to market themselves as the other half, or sell hot sauce or booze by using their fame aquired by playing in Van Halen. That's his opinion.
The big reasons he is setting foot on stage with Roth is in the double digit millions.

The Confessor wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

BRETT5150 wrote:I'll say this with a lump in my throat. I could be wrong, but I could be right. Mike will get offered the biggest pay packet in his life and return to VH. Ed might be Ed, and have a vendetta against everyone but he wont be stupid enough to get Wolfie or anyone else to play bass. VH would'nt be VH without Mikes background vocals. Its as signature as Eddies guitar...everyone knows that. The only thing is that Sammy will be pissed off big time if Mike does it.....Who the hell knows?

I obviously do not know Hagar personally, but I would assume that he knows Mike belongs on stage with VH if this happens. I think he would be the first one to tell Mike to go for it.

I don't know Sammy personally, either. But, I have followed his career since the beginning. And I think you're right on...he would tell Mike that he needs to be there. Sammy is a pro, he's cool, and about as laid back as a person could be. I don't see him being pissed about any of this. Actually...unfortunately probably, this tour will just prove that Sammy is indeed the better performer on stage.

No, I think it will show Sammy is the better singer, songwriter, guitarist, performer. Dave is a one trick poney that is as fun to watch now as a 50 year-old, wearing a leasure suit with airplane collars, hitting on 18 year-olds at the mall.

low d wrote:

bionic wrote:

VH101 wrote:Any bit of news in the Van Halen world is usually good, but I have mixed emotions on this one. It's been discussed before whether a Roth-fronted VH would provide a good show. And, if they tour without Michael Anthony, will it still be VH as we've known it (no, of course)?

Those issues aside, I'm fired up about this bit of news! Thank you Andrew

This cannot be billed as the original VH without Anthony,plus Roth needs him as a back up singer! I think mngt will argue the point of Anthony needing to be in for it to be a proper reunion.How in hell can Eddie want to tour with Roth who he has real issues with and not Anthony.This tour will be just a big money maker and the fans will love it see you there!

No, I think not. While I cannot think of VH w/o M.A., Van Halen is Eddie and Alex. Everyone else was a hired gun, technically. Eddie has stated to guitar industry friends of mine that he will not set foot on stage with Sammy and Michael again. They had no right to market themselves as the other half, or sell hot sauce or booze by using their fame aquired by playing in Van Halen. That's his opinion.
The big reasons he is setting foot on stage with Roth is in the double digit millions.

And how many times over the years did Eddie say he would never, EVER work with Roth again?

"Van Halen is Eddie and Alex"? So, Eddie and Alex wrote all the music and played all the instruments all that time? I never realized that.

The Confessor wrote:

low d wrote:

bionic wrote:

VH101 wrote:Any bit of news in the Van Halen world is usually good, but I have mixed emotions on this one. It's been discussed before whether a Roth-fronted VH would provide a good show. And, if they tour without Michael Anthony, will it still be VH as we've known it (no, of course)?

Those issues aside, I'm fired up about this bit of news! Thank you Andrew

This cannot be billed as the original VH without Anthony,plus Roth needs him as a back up singer! I think mngt will argue the point of Anthony needing to be in for it to be a proper reunion.How in hell can Eddie want to tour with Roth who he has real issues with and not Anthony.This tour will be just a big money maker and the fans will love it see you there!

No, I think not. While I cannot think of VH w/o M.A., Van Halen is Eddie and Alex. Everyone else was a hired gun, technically. Eddie has stated to guitar industry friends of mine that he will not set foot on stage with Sammy and Michael again. They had no right to market themselves as the other half, or sell hot sauce or booze by using their fame aquired by playing in Van Halen. That's his opinion.
The big reasons he is setting foot on stage with Roth is in the double digit millions.

And how many times over the years did Eddie say he would never, EVER work with Roth again?

"Van Halen is Eddie and Alex"? So, Eddie and Alex wrote all the music and played all the instruments all that time? I never realized that.

Just relaying the man's words. Money changes people's minds, as it did to tour with Sammy and Michael last time. I am sure DLR will be a short lived thing too.

As for "who" or "what" is Van Halen, I am refering to the business aspect, not the creative aspect. As verified by my contact, as well as Sammy and Mike in several recent interviews, everyone but Al and Ed are hired guns. Nobody else can claim the band name Van Halen.

To me, I can easily accept two versions of VH (DLR and Sammy). The Gary era was a bad dream. It is going to be really hard for the public to accept anything other than those. It will especially be hard for either of those to come back without Mike, as he was a key to the sound. However, they could haul a ProTools rig out, have Alex play to a click track, and mix Mike's vocals in.