MR

Brilliant album...better than anything I have heard in the last 10 years...especially anything Def Leppard or Queensryche has put out...(my two favs)

Anyways, give it a shot....excellent album

Hi,saw Winger live last night at Firefest 3 in Nottingham Uk and to be honest they where crap!!!!!!
All the tracks from the new album didnt come over well live and as a live band i wasnt impressed at all-seen a lot of bands this summer Journey,Foreigner,Goo Goo Dolls,Eagles,Bon Jovi,Nickleback,Collective Soul to name but a few and all knocked the spots off Winger as did most of the bands at Firefest!!!! especialy GOTTHARD!!!-Mick

I saw live in Bologna two sunday ago. The guys are excellent even if i don't like the songs of the new album.

spiritof76 wrote:Hi,saw Winger live last night at Firefest 3 in Nottingham Uk and to be honest they where crap!!!!!!
All the tracks from the new album didnt come over well live and as a live band i wasnt impressed at all-seen a lot of bands this summer Journey,Foreigner,Goo Goo Dolls,Eagles,Bon Jovi,Nickleback,Collective Soul to name but a few and all knocked the spots off Winger as did most of the bands at Firefest!!!! especialy GOTTHARD!!!-Mick

Funny, everyone else that has seen them in Europe in the past few weeks says they sounded great, and some have said the IV tracks came across even better live than they did on the album. And if that wasn't enough, your mentioning Nickleback pretty much throws all your post's credibility out the window. As did Goo Goo Dolls.

When they release an alternate cover I might buy it - I do like the band, but jeez that cover is just.....I dont know. Pro-war?

And Spirit, I'm so envious of all those bands you have got to see - where I live the distances are so huge that we get very few bands. In fact the city of Perth is the most isolated city in the world.

When Ticketmaster advertised Roger Waters tickets in Perth I didn't blink - even though the cost included 1100 for airline tickets.

listen to the lyrics before you make a stupid call like that

defbezerk wrote:listen to the lyrics before you make a stupid call like that

Fuck the lyrics - I'm allowed to not like a stupid ass cover that depicts a granite-jawed soldier surrounded by angels......just as you're allowed to have a different opinion.

Kip's never been a master lyricist based on the other stuff I have of his - and basically I've made the call to veto the album (unfortunately) because I hate the cover. So there.

Veto an album because you hate the cover....jesus christ are you retarded. You said before the cover is pro-war and it is any but...your assumption has made you look like a total idiot

defbezerk wrote:Veto an album because you hate the cover....jesus christ are you retarded. You said before the cover is pro-war and it is any but...your assumption has made you look like a total idiot

No my 'assumption' means I won't be buying the album - that's all.

I don't begrudge you buying it. Unfortunately the actions of the Governments of the US, Britain and my own country in the last four years have made me so rabidly anti-war that even the slightest thing now offends - however, I think that taking a stance against people who make enormous profit from the suffering of others is still the predominantly sane postion......on the other hand, it is just an album cover.

At the end of the day, who gives a shit?

just downlaod it Kenny

Taliwakker wrote:just downlaod it Kenny

Good point.
That's 2 suggestions in one week mate.....and to think you live in Canberra too - so close to all those fuckheads.

Couldn't find the DLR video I was looking for though.....

That's 2 suggestions in one week mate.....and to think you live in Canberra too - so close to all those fuckheads.

Yeah...but most of those fuckheads live in Sydney and just travel down to Canberra when they have to as if you'd come here by choice.

Taliwakker wrote:

That's 2 suggestions in one week mate.....and to think you live in Canberra too - so close to all those fuckheads.

Yeah...but most of those fuckheads live in Sydney and just travel down to Canberra when they have to as if you'd come here by choice.

Fair call.

Kenny wrote:

defbezerk wrote:Veto an album because you hate the cover....jesus christ are you retarded. You said before the cover is pro-war and it is any but...your assumption has made you look like a total idiot

No my 'assumption' means I won't be buying the album - that's all.

I don't begrudge you buying it. Unfortunately the actions of the Governments of the US, Britain and my own country in the last four years have made me so rabidly anti-war that even the slightest thing now offends - however, I think that taking a stance against people who make enormous profit from the suffering of others is still the predominantly sane postion......on the other hand, it is just an album cover.

At the end of the day, who gives a shit?

Kenny:

I'd hoped you wouldn't see the artwork as pro-war, but as pro-soldier. I don't think it takes a stand either way, except to say that it'd be great if angels watched over everyone who finds themselves in that kind of hellish situation. The album itself contains songs that Kip wrote that require the listener to feel what these brave men and women must feel in combat, but that doesn't require you to agree with this war or any war.

I hope you'll take a second look at it and give it another chance. Thanks,
EVS

EthanVanSciver wrote:

Kenny wrote:

defbezerk wrote:Veto an album because you hate the cover....jesus christ are you retarded. You said before the cover is pro-war and it is any but...your assumption has made you look like a total idiot

No my 'assumption' means I won't be buying the album - that's all.

I don't begrudge you buying it. Unfortunately the actions of the Governments of the US, Britain and my own country in the last four years have made me so rabidly anti-war that even the slightest thing now offends - however, I think that taking a stance against people who make enormous profit from the suffering of others is still the predominantly sane postion......on the other hand, it is just an album cover.

At the end of the day, who gives a shit?

Kenny:

I'd hoped you wouldn't see the artwork as pro-war, but as pro-soldier. I don't think it takes a stand either way, except to say that it'd be great if angels watched over everyone who finds themselves in that kind of hellish situation. The album itself contains songs that Kip wrote that require the listener to feel what these brave men and women must feel in combat, but that doesn't require you to agree with this war or any war.

I hope you'll take a second look at it and give it another chance. Thanks,
EVS

Well said Ethan - I'll take it under advisement, but I won't be buying the album with the current cover. I'm sure Kip could care less.

I did enjoy your eloquence though mate - I look forward to future posts.