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Is a gamer.

That's all I am sayin.

Zedul wrote:Is a gamer.

That's all I am sayin.

He is great & that's all i am saying.

Tebow

I think hes pretty special myself......

Tebow is everything College Football is all about, easy observation.

Unfortunately for him, this isn't the last level in the hotel.

ScarabGator wrote:I think hes pretty special myself......

You got that right hon.

I try to stay out of college football talk as much as possible but have to weigh in on this one. Let me first say that I think both Florida and Meyer were grossly irresponsible for playing Tebow in this game, given he admitted that he wasn't even able to read until a few days ago (yes, he said this). Concussions are nothing to fuck around with and the guy has his enitre life in front of him. As for Tebow's performance...there was nothing remotely remarkable about it. The guy threw for less than 140 yards and a whole 1 TD and 1 INT. Let's just say that he didn't make any Heisman statements yesterday!

Enigma869 wrote:I try to stay out of college football talk as much as possible but have to weigh in on this one.

Hahaha, HARDLY....the statement should read "I try to stay out of college football talk as much as possible except when Florida or Tebow are mentioned then I must voice my disapproval."

Enigma869 wrote:Let me first say that I think both Florida and Meyer were grossly irresponsible for playing Tebow in this game, given he admitted that he wasn't even able to read until a few days ago (yes, he said this). Concussions are nothing to fuck around with and the guy has his enitre life in front of him.

Wow Dr J.F. Boston, I didn't realize you had examined him (I didn't even realize you were a medical professional)...all sources were saying that he was medically cleared-apparently they disregarded your professional opinion.

Enigma869 wrote:As for Tebow's performance...there was nothing remotely remarkable about it. The guy threw for less than 140 yards and a whole 1 TD and 1 INT. Let's just say that he didn't make any Heisman statements yesterday!

Yep, you're correct and he even said that himself....but, he got the job done.

Have a nice day Dr Boston.....

Guy is a stud.

I want everyone to know that I found it to be EXTREMELY classy of LSU players after the game....they waited for Timmy to get finished with his CBS postgame interview and then they all came up and shook his hand, hugged him and patted him on the back. When asked about it they said they just wanted to shake the hand of greatest college football player ever! This young fellow has touched the lives of so many people on so many levels. If I hadnt said it before let me say it now: since he is a senior I feel so fortunate that he graced the team and school that I support and received my education from. His influence has certainly caused me to read verses in the bible for the first time in a long, long time. Each time he writes them on his eye blacks I have to look it up, see what the message is. I am also very fortunate and grateful that I have had the honor and priviledge of meeting him and talking to him, as well as my daughters who also had their pics taken with him-a memory they cherish still today.
Whether you love him or hate him Timmy is a wonderful human being who is so much bigger than the game of football and he makes everyone a better person. As I have said before I thank God for Tim Tebow.

When you get over your Bromance with Tebow, let me know.....guy is a great COLLEGE QB, that has Gino Toretta written all over him.

ScarabGator wrote:I want everyone to know that I found it to be EXTREMELY classy of LSU players after the game....they waited for Timmy to get finished with his CBS postgame interview and then they all came up and shook his hand, hugged him and patted him on the back. When asked about it they said they just wanted to shake the hand of greatest college football player ever! This young fellow has touched the lives of so many people on so many levels. If I hadnt said it before let me say it now: since he is a senior I feel so fortunate that he graced the team and school that I support and received my education from. His influence has certainly caused me to read verses in the bible for the first time in a long, long time. Each time he writes them on his eye blacks I have to look it up, see what the message is. I am also very fortunate and grateful that I have had the honor and priviledge of meeting him and talking to him, as well as my daughters who also had their pics taken with him-a memory they cherish still today.
Whether you love him or hate him Timmy is a wonderful human being who is so much bigger than the game of football and he makes everyone a better person. As I have said before I thank God for Tim Tebow.

So Gator, I want you (and maybe John) to weigh in on this querry- How do you think Tebow will fare in the NFL?

StocktontoMalone wrote:When you get over your Bromance with Tebow, let me know.....guy is a great COLLEGE QB, that has Gino Toretta written all over him.

He's pretty hot too!

But I think what Gator is saying is that not only is Tebow an excellent QB, he's an amazing person....all football aside.

My .2cents on Tebow in the NFL:

If the man wants to be a Quarterback, then he would be a career backup AT BEST. He would suffer immediately under an NFL, drop back system that goes along with complex defense's that are so quick and so ferocious off the edges that if he would ever want to run an "opinionated" system, then he would fail miserably. If anything, he has a build of a Tight End and seems to be a pretty strong dude who can take hits and has a strong build. Of course, the jury is still out on what position he would play, or how coach's would want to use him, and more than likely he will be drafted as a Quarterback, but unless he learns on the ropes to be a down the field passer and look down the gun barrel, then I don't see how he would fair in the NFL as a Quarterback. He doesn't have the credentials to be an all around quarterback, and if anything he's a glorified running back who runs the option at the college level. Still, he will be a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, and teams will certainly take a chance on him regardless. He might be able to operate a west coast type system, but that's pushing it. If he learns how to block and use his strong build and body, he might have a niche as a Tight End in the league, but that's just speculation and you can't just expect him to become a TE over night. Quarterback is where he'll play & his heart, if anything will prevail in the NFL. At least he'll have that going for him.

YoungJRNY wrote:My .2cents on Tebow in the NFL:

If the man wants to be a Quarterback, then he would be a career backup AT BEST. He would suffer immediately under an NFL, drop back system that goes along with complex defense's that are so quick and so ferocious off the edges that if he would ever want to run an "opinionated" system, then he would fail miserably. If anything, he has a build of a Tight End and seems to be a pretty strong dude who can take hits and has a strong build. Of course, the jury is still out on what position he would play, or how coach's would want to use him, and more than likely he will be drafted as a Quarterback, but unless he learns on the ropes to be a down the field passer and look down the gun barrel, then I don't see how he would fair in the NFL as a Quarterback. He doesn't have the credentials to be an all around quarterback, and if anything he's a glorified running back who runs the option at the college level. Still, he will be a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, and teams will certainly take a chance on him regardless. He might be able to operate a west coast type system, but that's pushing it. If he learns how to block and use his strong build and body, he might have a niche as a Tight End in the league, but that's just speculation and you can't just expect him to become a TE over night. Quarterback is where he'll play & his heart, if anything will prevail in the NFL. At least he'll have that going for him.

I always figured him to be an NFL tight end myself too if anything, but hey, you never know what could happen. The guy could prove all of us wrong. Grit and heart go a long way in sports and it's not like he's undersized. He could possibly pull it off. But I'm inclined to agree with you overall

Ehwmatt wrote:

YoungJRNY wrote:My .2cents on Tebow in the NFL:

If the man wants to be a Quarterback, then he would be a career backup AT BEST. He would suffer immediately under an NFL, drop back system that goes along with complex defense's that are so quick and so ferocious off the edges that if he would ever want to run an "opinionated" system, then he would fail miserably. If anything, he has a build of a Tight End and seems to be a pretty strong dude who can take hits and has a strong build. Of course, the jury is still out on what position he would play, or how coach's would want to use him, and more than likely he will be drafted as a Quarterback, but unless he learns on the ropes to be a down the field passer and look down the gun barrel, then I don't see how he would fair in the NFL as a Quarterback. He doesn't have the credentials to be an all around quarterback, and if anything he's a glorified running back who runs the option at the college level. Still, he will be a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, and teams will certainly take a chance on him regardless. He might be able to operate a west coast type system, but that's pushing it. If he learns how to block and use his strong build and body, he might have a niche as a Tight End in the league, but that's just speculation and you can't just expect him to become a TE over night. Quarterback is where he'll play & his heart, if anything will prevail in the NFL. At least he'll have that going for him.

I always figured him to be an NFL tight end myself too if anything, but hey, you never know what could happen. The guy could prove all of us wrong. Grit and heart go a long way in sports and it's not like he's undersized. He could possibly pull it off. But I'm inclined to agree with you overall

Reminds me of a certain Brady kid!!!

X factor wrote:
So Gator, I want you (and maybe John) to weigh in on this querry- How do you think Tebow will fare in the NFL?

Truthfully, it's always VERY difficult to say how a guy is going to fare in the NFL. The NFL draft is replete with complete busts. What I will say is this...There are countless so-called "great" college QB's who aren't good enough to be backups in the NFL and you don't really have to go digging for a list of names to see what I'm talking about. Tebow may prove to be a very good NFL QB. If I had to bet money on it, I think I would feel quite safe saying that he won't be getting enshrined in Canton when his career is finished. I do believe that just based on grit, an NFL team will take a flyer on him. There are a whole lot of bad QB's in the NFL. If Jamarcus Russell can play in this league, then I think Tebow can. I just think the one thing to keep in mind that many college football fans lose sight of is that the NFL is a completely different game. Look at Reggie Bush. The guy was hands down the best player in college football for several years. In the NFL, he's a third round back and frankly, isn't that good of a football player!

ScarabGator wrote:I want everyone to know that I found it to be EXTREMELY classy of LSU players after the game....they waited for Timmy to get finished with his CBS postgame interview and then they all came up and shook his hand, hugged him and patted him on the back. When asked about it they said they just wanted to shake the hand of greatest college football player ever! This young fellow has touched the lives of so many people on so many levels. If I hadnt said it before let me say it now: since he is a senior I feel so fortunate that he graced the team and school that I support and received my education from. His influence has certainly caused me to read verses in the bible for the first time in a long, long time. Each time he writes them on his eye blacks I have to look it up, see what the message is. I am also very fortunate and grateful that I have had the honor and priviledge of meeting him and talking to him, as well as my daughters who also had their pics taken with him-a memory they cherish still today.
Whether you love him or hate him Timmy is a wonderful human being who is so much bigger than the game of football and he makes everyone a better person. As I have said before I thank God for Tim Tebow.

Dear God.

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:

ScarabGator wrote:I want everyone to know that I found it to be EXTREMELY classy of LSU players after the game....they waited for Timmy to get finished with his CBS postgame interview and then they all came up and shook his hand, hugged him and patted him on the back. When asked about it they said they just wanted to shake the hand of greatest college football player ever! This young fellow has touched the lives of so many people on so many levels. If I hadnt said it before let me say it now: since he is a senior I feel so fortunate that he graced the team and school that I support and received my education from. His influence has certainly caused me to read verses in the bible for the first time in a long, long time. Each time he writes them on his eye blacks I have to look it up, see what the message is. I am also very fortunate and grateful that I have had the honor and priviledge of meeting him and talking to him, as well as my daughters who also had their pics taken with him-a memory they cherish still today.
Whether you love him or hate him Timmy is a wonderful human being who is so much bigger than the game of football and he makes everyone a better person. As I have said before I thank God for Tim Tebow.

Dear God.

There are many 'types' of pro athletes:

RAW TALENT:

The likes of MJ, Magic, Lebron, Gretzky, Ovechkin, Jeter, Barry Sanders...etc. These guys are physical specimens. Guys that don't really need to try all that hard....they just 'get it'. The game slows down for them. These guys get paid because they are truly great. Most love what they are doing, the money is a by-product.

The UNDERACHIEVER WITH LOTS OF HEART:

Here you have guys like Dustin Pedroia, and a handful of others. Guys that are undersized, who have been told their entire lives that they were too small, too fragile, a gamble. Guys that take all that negative influence and use it to get better. These guys typically play for WAY less than they end up being worth. These guys also play for the love of the game, and to prove to themselves and the world that they ARE worth it, they aren't TOO small. These guys end up finding the talent to survive the show. They love the game, and they feel lucky to get paid for what they enjoy doing.

GUYS WITH TALENT THAT MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHING WITH THAT TALENT, 'WHATEVER' GUYS.

These guys have that raw talent, sort of...but end up getting paid on great college careers - that don't equate well, or don't acclimate themselves to the bigtime. For whatever reason they end up imploding and sabotaging their careers. Guys like T.O., Todd Marinovich, Reggie Bush, Ricky Williams, Tim Couch(most 1rd round QBs, for that matter). These guys grab that first contract cash grab and end up sucking, moving from team to team(or just disappearing altogether).


THE SLEEPERS

Finally we get to the last type. In this category we have players that went 6th, 7th, 8th round. Guys that were backups in college. Some never took a snap. Tom Brady. Guys that have raw talent, but weren't priviledged enough to be in the public's eye. Guys that wait for that ONE chance to show what they got. Wait patiently to be truly great.

StocktontoMalone wrote:GUYS WITH TALENT THAT MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHING WITH THAT TALENT, 'WHATEVER' GUYS.

These guys have that raw talent, sort of...but end up getting paid on great college careers - that don't equate well, or don't acclimate themselves to the bigtime. For whatever reason they end up imploding and sabotaging their careers. Guys like T.O. , Todd Marinovich, Reggie Bush, Ricky Williams, Tim Couch(most 1rd round QBs, for that matter). These guys grab that first contract cash grab and end up sucking, moving from team to team(or just disappearing altogether).

While I can't stand Terrell Owens, he simply doesn't belong on the list with the names you have there. The reality is that as much as a headcase as Owens is, he ranks (numbers wise) in the top five receivers in the history of the NFL, because for several years, the guy was simply unstoppable. Again, I'm not a fan but he doesn't belong on the list with those names just by virtue of his production!

Enigma869 wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:GUYS WITH TALENT THAT MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHING WITH THAT TALENT, 'WHATEVER' GUYS.

These guys have that raw talent, sort of...but end up getting paid on great college careers - that don't equate well, or don't acclimate themselves to the bigtime. For whatever reason they end up imploding and sabotaging their careers. Guys like T.O. , Todd Marinovich, Reggie Bush, Ricky Williams, Tim Couch(most 1rd round QBs, for that matter). These guys grab that first contract cash grab and end up sucking, moving from team to team(or just disappearing altogether).

While I can't stand Terrell Owens, he simply doesn't belong on the list with the names you have there. The reality is that as much as a headcase as Owens is, he ranks (numbers wise) in the top five receivers in the history of the NFL, because for several years, the guy was simply unstoppable. Again, I'm not a fan but he doesn't belong on the list with those names just by virtue of his production!

Well I'm politely disagree. He is opinionated. But that doesn't mean he is great. He has a big mouth. Always in the public eye. The less-than defensive juggernauts - Patriots shut him down in week 1. He is done. Assuming he has this bigger than life talent you are refering to - it come 100% from his size. Same with Shaq. Shaq success comes from his size and strength. If the NBA made dunking illegal, Shaq would be Eric Montross/Dino Radja.

Without T.O.'s size he'd be Reche Caldwell. T.O. is a mirage.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

Enigma869 wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:GUYS WITH TALENT THAT MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHING WITH THAT TALENT, 'WHATEVER' GUYS.

These guys have that raw talent, sort of...but end up getting paid on great college careers - that don't equate well, or don't acclimate themselves to the bigtime. For whatever reason they end up imploding and sabotaging their careers. Guys like T.O. , Todd Marinovich, Reggie Bush, Ricky Williams, Tim Couch(most 1rd round QBs, for that matter). These guys grab that first contract cash grab and end up sucking, moving from team to team(or just disappearing altogether).

While I can't stand Terrell Owens, he simply doesn't belong on the list with the names you have there. The reality is that as much as a headcase as Owens is, he ranks (numbers wise) in the top five receivers in the history of the NFL, because for several years, the guy was simply unstoppable. Again, I'm not a fan but he doesn't belong on the list with those names just by virtue of his production!

Well I'm politely disagree. He is opinionated. But that doesn't mean he is great. He has a big mouth. Always in the public eye. The less-than defensive juggernauts - Patriots shut him down in week 1. He is done. Assuming he has this bigger than life talent you are refering to - it come 100% from his size. Same with Shaq. Shaq success comes from his size and strength. If the NBA made dunking illegal, Shaq would be Eric Montross/Dino Radja.

Without T.O.'s size he'd be Reche Caldwell. T.O. is a mirage.

Come on! "Take away asset X and player Y is no good" is such an asinine argument when talking athletics. Size is a physical gift, so are hand/eye coordination, speed, endurance (to a point... you can obviously work on it), strength. If an an athletic great is only and (illegitimately in your eyes) good because of "size and strength," well man, by that criteria, most greats in sports would cease to be great. This is akin to saying without his amphibian body, Michael Phelps would be no good... without his ridiculous physique, LeBron's no good, without his incredible hand/eye Manny would be no good... you get the idea. Most guys who make it to the pro level are incredibly physically gifted... it's those who have the talent and the drive to make those physical gifts work for them who become great.

Coming from a guy who questions why steroids are illegal, it's hard to fathom why someone's size would make you delegitimize his athletic accomplishments.

Pointing to any performance TO has this season at 35 trying to catch balls from a buffoon like Trent Edwards is like trying to say Cliff Lee was no good this year for the Indians because he had a terrible record.

So Gator, I want you (and maybe John) to weigh in on this querry- How do you think Tebow will fare in the NFL?

I think anytime someone has doubted Tebow he's proven them wrong. While I know the NFL is another level several times over from the college level I believe with the heart and determination Timmy has he can succeed at any level. Plus the guy is a proven leader. People follow him, listen to him and believe in him. This trait would be no different for him in the NFL. Maybe hes not a pure dropback NFL passer. So what. His passing gets the job done when it needs to.
Another really important factor is Tim himself has said while he would like to play in the NFL its not his main calling in life. Its a platform he can use to achieve putting relevance on the real issues in life. When he does play in the NFL I believe it wont be a long career and NOT because of his durability BUT because he will step over to his lifes calling.
If I were an NFL owner I would draft Timmy for these reasons: 1)popularity-he'll fill the stands. 2)the man wills his team to win 3)hes the leader many teams need 4)hes an awesome athlete and will play anything hes asked to play.

First, let me explain why your argument is flawed:

"Come on! "Take away asset X and player Y is no good" is such an asinine argument when talking athletics. Size is a physical gift"

Using your assertion, let's say we find a 550lb man, dress him in goalie attire, and just plop him in goal for the Bruins....he just sits there and blocks 99% of the shots on goal this upcoming season.

My question: Is he just a fat man in goalie gear, or is he talented? Cause his stats say he had the best year of any goalie ever.

StocktontoMalone wrote:When you get over your Bromance with Tebow, let me know.....guy is a great COLLEGE QB, that has Gino Toretta written all over him.

I dont see any reasoning to lead you to make any comparisons between Timmy and Gino Torreta. Tim is handsdown 100x the athlete Gino could ever dream to be.

StocktontoMalone wrote:First, let me explain why your argument is flawed:

"Come on! "Take away asset X and player Y is no good" is such an asinine argument when talking athletics. Size is a physical gift"

Using your assertion, let's say we find a 550lb man, dress him in goalie attire, and just plop him in goal for the Bruins....he just sits there and blocks 99% of the shots on goal this upcoming season.

My question: Is he just a fat man in goalie gear, or is he talented? Cause his stats say he had the best year of any goalie ever.

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to block 99% of shots. LOL.

ScarabGator wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:When you get over your Bromance with Tebow, let me know.....guy is a great COLLEGE QB, that has Gino Toretta written all over him.

I dont see any reasoning to lead you to make any comparisons between Timmy and Gino Torreta. Tim is handsdown 100x the athlete Gino could ever dream to be.

Your assertion is also flawed. They both have Heisman's, and they both have National Championships. What is your criteria for 100x an athlete?

Ehwmatt wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:First, let me explain why your argument is flawed:

"Come on! "Take away asset X and player Y is no good" is such an asinine argument when talking athletics. Size is a physical gift"

Using your assertion, let's say we find a 550lb man, dress him in goalie attire, and just plop him in goal for the Bruins....he just sits there and blocks 99% of the shots on goal this upcoming season.

My question: Is he just a fat man in goalie gear, or is he talented? Cause his stats say he had the best year of any goalie ever.

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to block 99% of shots. LOL.

You know what I'm getting at. Defensive comedy isn't very becoming. Let's just say they put in net a guy that basically covers the whole net(for the sake of arguing), let's say he is 900lbs. A HUGE fat fucker. And the puck just hits him wherever it is shot. He is talented, or just fat? I doubt you'll answer truthfully.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:First, let me explain why your argument is flawed:

"Come on! "Take away asset X and player Y is no good" is such an asinine argument when talking athletics. Size is a physical gift"

Using your assertion, let's say we find a 550lb man, dress him in goalie attire, and just plop him in goal for the Bruins....he just sits there and blocks 99% of the shots on goal this upcoming season.

My question: Is he just a fat man in goalie gear, or is he talented? Cause his stats say he had the best year of any goalie ever.

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to block 99% of shots. LOL.

You know what I'm getting at. Defensive comedy isn't very becoming. Let's just say they put in net a guy that basically covers the whole net(for the sake of arguing), let's say he is 900lbs. A HUGE fat fucker. And the puck just hits him wherever it is shot. He is talented, or just fat? I doubt you'll answer truthfully.

Yes, and let's park a huge 600 pound man who has spent his entire life at the local rib joint polishing entire slabs off in the lane of every NBA game. I'm sure he will post a triple-double every game.

There's no way some big fat unathletic slob could stop the pucks coming in low on him and at all kinds of angles and all kinds of velocity. He'd get fuckin owned. Hockey goalie is one of the most difficult things to do in sports, up there with hitting a baseball.

And you're missing the bigger point. Make me a list of 500 all-time greats from any sport and I will find ONE trait to take away from them and make them terrible or at least mediocre. What is the point of that? A great athlete is greater than the sum of his parts, the pinnacle of maximizing his talent and physical gifts. You take away even one of those traits or abilities he has so finely honed and dialed in and they will not be nearly as great.