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Massachusetts launches 1st real inititave to control and leagalize pot.
http://www.capwiz.com/norml2/issues/...ertid=12975651

Interesting how all of the sudden foxnews changes their tune about pot and at the same time all the pro legalization efforts are starting to move forward.

I would not have believed it if I had not seen it. Listen and watch with an open mind.

On freedom watch of all things.. Someone must need to make money which is why alcohol prohibition was lifted. Times they are a changing !

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.h...istId=playlist


and a second video on foxnews. WTF is going on ? Fox ALWAYS has had refer madness !

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.h...istId=playlist
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Im telling you it is 1932 all over again. Alcohol prohibition was lifted because the country was broke. Well, here we are again..

Its bad for you to smoke weed says uncle sam that is unless it can make him the money he needs.

Here is the 1st paragraph from the actual bill for those who dont want to read much of it as they are very boring.

The governor and the representatives of the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging that previous efforts have not succeeded in eliminating or curtailing marijuana use and abuse; determined to exercise some measure of control over the use of cannabis consistent with respect for individual freedom and responsibility; and declaring our objectives to be the reduction of cannabis abuse, the elimination of marijuana-related crime and the raising of public revenue, do hereby ordain and enact The Cannabis Regulation and Taxation Act.


http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/1 ... t02929.htm

There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Wonder if they'll tax THC-free or THC-low hemp grown for use as a fibre plant? Because US loggers have been lobbying for that to be legal for decades now, so that hemp gets used in chipboard and paper pulp (for which it is perfectly suited, much better than wood) and hardwoods are left as timber.

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Im a smoker. I am all for it. Locking up people over a damn plant is wasteful. It takes millions a year of our tax dollars and has nothing to show for it. It is less harmful that alcohol and tobacco which are the two leading causes of preventable death. also, the underground crime is wiped out almost overnight. If it is legal and controlled the pot dealers are out of business. Pot is the main income source for the Mexican cartels. I am tired of hearing about a cops entire family being murdered by these cartels just because of our failed U.S. drug policy. The war on drugs has caused more harm than the drugs themselves. Billions of tax dollars gone that could have done a number of other things.

I am a pot head and proud of it.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Im a smoker. I am all for it. Locking up people over a damn plant is wasteful. It takes millions a year of our tax dollars and has nothing to show for it. It is less harmful that alcohol and tobacco which are the two leading causes of preventable death. also, the underground crime is wiped out almost overnight. If it is legal and controlled the pot dealers are out of business. Pot is the main income source for the Mexican cartels. I am tired of hearing about a cops entire family being murdered by these cartels just because of our failed U.S. drug policy. The war on drugs has caused more harm than the drugs themselves. Billions of tax dollars gone that could have done a number of other things.

I am a pot head and proud of it.

I woundnt be so proud It may work for you but it didnt work for me ,and it aint doing my daughter any good either. Pot ruined my short term memory to this day. My daughter does it and and all she does is lay around and get stoned ,doesnt work or have ant ambition to do shit.pot makes most people lazy and stupid. Alcohol {in moderation} and tobacco doesnt do that. If it works for you fine,it shouldnt be legal,what next legal coke?

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Im a smoker. I am all for it. Locking up people over a damn plant is wasteful. It takes millions a year of our tax dollars and has nothing to show for it. It is less harmful that alcohol and tobacco which are the two leading causes of preventable death. also, the underground crime is wiped out almost overnight. If it is legal and controlled the pot dealers are out of business. Pot is the main income source for the Mexican cartels. I am tired of hearing about a cops entire family being murdered by these cartels just because of our failed U.S. drug policy. The war on drugs has caused more harm than the drugs themselves. Billions of tax dollars gone that could have done a number of other things.

I am a pot head and proud of it.

I have NO problem with pot smoking at all in and of itself. I don't think it's a coincidence that the "pot head" stereotype fits many of my pothead friends' gloves, though. I also don't think drug dealing is going to go out of fashion just because we legalize pot. I still firmly believe pot's a gateway drug for whatever reason. Going back to my friends that got into pot, many of them are lazy, went to college after being great students and in some cases, good athletes. They have since dropped out or are still muddling their way through with Ds and C-'s after 5 years and have no direction or ambition.

Some of them got into acid/coke and one of them is totally off the deep end now. He calls and leaves me and my other friends bizarre ass voice mails and can barely talk any more. It's like Syd fuckin Barrett. I also have some friends that toke(d) up a lot that are doing great and are perfectly normal, so I'm not trying to say any one who smokes frequently is gonna end up a loser or psychopath or addicted to 2000 drugs.

But, I think the danger of slipping off the deep end after getting more than casually into pot is there a lot more so than the danger is there for an average someone to become an alcoholic (barring genetic predisposition to it/an addictive personality in general etc.).

As far as it being "safer" than booze or tobacco... well that can mean a lot of things. The common argument I hear is that people drink and drive and kill people all the time. Well, driving high isn't a great idea either. Yeah, people get away with it, just as PLENTY of people get away with boozing n cruising. But, I do think you will see a lot more weed+driving-related accidents if it's legal simply because people don't have to worry about being guilty just for the mere fact of having smoked it, so they will be out and about on an average night of smoking a lot more often. I think tobacco is about the dumbest thing in the world having watched my grandfather die a slow death from lung cancer. EDIT: But I've never seen any one totally burnt out after smoking tobacco for a few years

I get what you're saying about the adverse effects of illegality of pot, the violence etc and it's definitely not without a lot of merit. But I do think that's a dangerous road to go arguing down for the future for legalizing other things currently illegal, whether it be in the drug world or something else.

In short, I don't think legalizing pot is going to be the rosy Utopia proponents propose it'll be and I don't think it'll be the Sodom and Gomorrah that opponents think it'll be.

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

BWAAAAAHAAAA HAAAAAAA!

Personally, I don't think they smoke enough pot up there.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

BWAAAAAHAAAA HAAAAAAA!

Personally, I don't think they smoke enough pot up there.

they are busy marrying two cranks, or two beavers together

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Go fuck yourself cuntrag!

Ehwmatt wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Im a smoker. I am all for it. Locking up people over a damn plant is wasteful. It takes millions a year of our tax dollars and has nothing to show for it. It is less harmful that alcohol and tobacco which are the two leading causes of preventable death. also, the underground crime is wiped out almost overnight. If it is legal and controlled the pot dealers are out of business. Pot is the main income source for the Mexican cartels. I am tired of hearing about a cops entire family being murdered by these cartels just because of our failed U.S. drug policy. The war on drugs has caused more harm than the drugs themselves. Billions of tax dollars gone that could have done a number of other things.

I am a pot head and proud of it.

I have NO problem with pot smoking at all in and of itself. I don't think it's a coincidence that the "pot head" stereotype fits many of my pothead friends' gloves, though. I also don't think drug dealing is going to go out of fashion just because we legalize pot. I still firmly believe pot's a gateway drug for whatever reason. Going back to my friends that got into pot, many of them are lazy, went to college after being great students and in some cases, good athletes. They have since dropped out or are still muddling their way through with Ds and C-'s after 5 years and have no direction or ambition.

Some of them got into acid/coke and one of them is totally off the deep end now. He calls and leaves me and my other friends bizarre ass voice mails and can barely talk any more. It's like Syd fuckin Barrett. I also have some friends that toke(d) up a lot that are doing great and are perfectly normal, so I'm not trying to say any one who smokes frequently is gonna end up a loser or psychopath or addicted to 2000 drugs.

But, I think the danger of slipping off the deep end after getting more than casually into pot is there a lot more so than the danger is there for an average someone to become an alcoholic (barring genetic predisposition to it/an addictive personality in general etc.).

As far as it being "safer" than booze or tobacco... well that can mean a lot of things. The common argument I hear is that people drink and drive and kill people all the time. Well, driving high isn't a great idea either. Yeah, people get away with it, just as PLENTY of people get away with boozing n cruising. But, I do think you will see a lot more weed+driving-related accidents if it's legal simply because people don't have to worry about being guilty just for the mere fact of having smoked it, so they will be out and about on an average night of smoking a lot more often. I think tobacco is about the dumbest thing in the world having watched my grandfather die a slow death from lung cancer. EDIT: But I've never seen any one totally burnt out after smoking tobacco for a few years

I get what you're saying about the adverse effects of illegality of pot, the violence etc and it's definitely not without a lot of merit. But I do think that's a dangerous road to go arguing down for the future for legalizing other things currently illegal, whether it be in the drug world or something else.

In short, I don't think legalizing pot is going to be the rosy Utopia proponents propose it'll be and I don't think it'll be the Sodom and Gomorrah that opponents think it'll be.

Dude, you and I agree on too much. You preached it right here.

Enigma869 wrote:

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Go fuck yourself cuntrag!

Enigma869 wrote:

stevew2 wrote:There are mostly fags and pot heads up there anyway

Go fuck yourself cuntrag!

Go do a bong hit

WWSMFPD ?

Liquid_Drummer wrote:WWSMFPD ?

Vitamin B-12

I'm completely against pot. Sure when I was a kid I had friends who smoked it and I laughed at them and they were still my friends. But over the years I've seen too many of the people I know start out with pot and advance to more dangerious drugs. Bottom line, all the heavy druggies I know of have one specific thing in common with one another, they all started using pot first.

Pot destroys lives. I know, I've seen it happen all around me through the people I knew. My father used to smoke pot back in the 70's. He's been off of it now for about 20 years. Through his experiences smoking it, he says that he wouldn't vote to legalize it because people who are on it don't have any ambition to go out and be productive individuals or anything, just sit around smoking pot and eating. And when it comes time to actually go to work or whatnot, they basically don't want to go and do it. Matter of fact, most long term pot smokers build up a resistance to want to follow laws, rules and don't like to follow instructions by higher authority.

Plus look at all the health issues the old 60's hippies now have. Many of them can't even control their bodily fluids anymore. After their brains are so fucked up from drugs, yeah, they need to get high to forget about their problems, that's unfortunately where medical pot comes in. People are so fucking stupid sometimes.

I have no problem with weed getting legalized/taxed (CA already has medical marijuana) but all I worry about is that they don't have an easy way to make sure someone is high if they get pulled over. I don't really want a bunch of high people driving around. But I do think it should be legal in other situations, like alcohol is.

Sarah wrote:I have no problem with weed getting legalized/taxed (CA already has medical marijuana) but all I worry about is that they don't have an easy way to make sure someone is high if they get pulled over. I don't really want a bunch of high people driving around. But I do think it should be legal in other situations, like alcohol is.

There already is a bunch of high people driving around. You dont hear about them because they often dont cause accidents. Not saying its ok to do so but find a statistic. I bet you cant. People that are high often avoid being pulled over because they dont swerve and stick out to law enforcement.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'm completely against pot. Sure when I was a kid I had friends who smoked it and I laughed at them and they were still my friends. But over the years I've seen too many of the people I know start out with pot and advance to more dangerious drugs. Bottom line, all the heavy druggies I know of have one specific thing in common with one another, they all started using pot first.

Pot destroys lives. I know, I've seen it happen all around me through the people I knew. My father used to smoke pot back in the 70's. He's been off of it now for about 20 years. Through his experiences smoking it, he says that he wouldn't vote to legalize it because people who are on it don't have any ambition to go out and be productive individuals or anything, just sit around smoking pot and eating. And when it comes time to actually go to work or whatnot, they basically don't want to go and do it. Matter of fact, most long term pot smokers build up a resistance to want to follow laws, rules and don't like to follow instructions by higher authority.

Plus look at all the health issues the old 60's hippies now have. Many of them can't even control their bodily fluids anymore. After their brains are so fucked up from drugs, yeah, they need to get high to forget about their problems, that's unfortunately where medical pot comes in. People are so fucking stupid sometimes.

They didnt start with pot. They started with caffeine like all of us did. Pot is not a gateway drug. That is total B.S. People who are drunk are way more likely to try other things because their inhabitions are lowered. Anything can be a gateway if you allow the gate to be opened.

I have never ever, ever seen pot destroy anyones life. I smoked it for 20 years and never had any problems and I can say the same for at least 20 people I know. We all held jobs, advanced in our careers etc. What destroys lives is when a non violent pot smoker is locked up, losses his job and cant support his family because he is in jail.

I am totaly against alcohol and tobacco. These are legal and are the top causes of preventable death in the world. Mcdonalds has destroyed more lives spreading obesity and heart disease. There isnt one single report of a death from pot and there are no statistics to back up your claims.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

Sarah wrote:I have no problem with weed getting legalized/taxed (CA already has medical marijuana) but all I worry about is that they don't have an easy way to make sure someone is high if they get pulled over. I don't really want a bunch of high people driving around. But I do think it should be legal in other situations, like alcohol is.

There already is a bunch of high people driving around. You dont hear about them because they often dont cause accidents. Not saying its ok to do so but find a statistic. I bet you cant. People that are high often avoid being pulled over because they dont swerve and stick out to law enforcement.

This is biased b.s. LD. There are NO stats either way. But, common sense and common experience tells me that the illegality of pot deters a LOT of people from getting in the car after smoking a blunt a lot more so than someone who gets in the car "chancing it" after being out boozing. Hell, half the time, people don't even realize they're too drunk to drive before they start driving. I think it's a pretty big reach to say that there are "a bunch" of high people driving all around.

Also, people that are smoking are generally doing so behind closed doors, not out at bars needing a way home and what not.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'm completely against pot. Sure when I was a kid I had friends who smoked it and I laughed at them and they were still my friends. But over the years I've seen too many of the people I know start out with pot and advance to more dangerious drugs. Bottom line, all the heavy druggies I know of have one specific thing in common with one another, they all started using pot first.

Pot destroys lives. I know, I've seen it happen all around me through the people I knew. My father used to smoke pot back in the 70's. He's been off of it now for about 20 years. Through his experiences smoking it, he says that he wouldn't vote to legalize it because people who are on it don't have any ambition to go out and be productive individuals or anything, just sit around smoking pot and eating. And when it comes time to actually go to work or whatnot, they basically don't want to go and do it. Matter of fact, most long term pot smokers build up a resistance to want to follow laws, rules and don't like to follow instructions by higher authority.

Plus look at all the health issues the old 60's hippies now have. Many of them can't even control their bodily fluids anymore. After their brains are so fucked up from drugs, yeah, they need to get high to forget about their problems, that's unfortunately where medical pot comes in. People are so fucking stupid sometimes.

They didnt start with pot. They started with caffeine like all of us did. Pot is not a gateway drug. That is total B.S. People who are drunk are way more likely to try other things because their inhabitions are lowered. Anything can be a gateway if you allow the gate to be opened.

I've never known anybody that just jumped straight from booze to coke or heroin or whatever else... let alone caffeine to coke

People might try pot when they are drunk because their inhibitions are lowered, yes, but the pot is what opens the door for harder stuff in my experience.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'm completely against pot. Sure when I was a kid I had friends who smoked it and I laughed at them and they were still my friends. But over the years I've seen too many of the people I know start out with pot and advance to more dangerious drugs. Bottom line, all the heavy druggies I know of have one specific thing in common with one another, they all started using pot first.

Pot destroys lives. I know, I've seen it happen all around me through the people I knew. My father used to smoke pot back in the 70's. He's been off of it now for about 20 years. Through his experiences smoking it, he says that he wouldn't vote to legalize it because people who are on it don't have any ambition to go out and be productive individuals or anything, just sit around smoking pot and eating. And when it comes time to actually go to work or whatnot, they basically don't want to go and do it. Matter of fact, most long term pot smokers build up a resistance to want to follow laws, rules and don't like to follow instructions by higher authority.

Plus look at all the health issues the old 60's hippies now have. Many of them can't even control their bodily fluids anymore. After their brains are so fucked up from drugs, yeah, they need to get high to forget about their problems, that's unfortunately where medical pot comes in. People are so fucking stupid sometimes.

They didnt start with pot. They started with caffeine like all of us did. Pot is not a gateway drug. That is total B.S. People who are drunk are way more likely to try other things because their inhabitions are lowered. Anything can be a gateway if you allow the gate to be opened.

I've never known anybody that just jumped straight from booze to coke or heroin or whatever else... let alone caffeine to coke

People might try pot when they are drunk because their inhibitions are lowered, yes, but the pot is what opens the door for harder stuff in my experience.

Bull shit. Maybe you have seen this buy I havnt. Im calling like I have seen it from 20 years of experience. Pot does not open the door for harder stuff. Stupid people open the door for harder stuff. The gateway drug bullshit is propaganda with no hard scientific fact. Why am I not a raging coke head ? Why are none of the people I know that smoked over the years hooked on harder drugs ? Because they are responsible users. just because you smoke pot does not mean you abuse it. People seem to assume that if you use it you abuse it and that it leads to harder drugs. The only thing pot leads to is laughter and the munchies. Find stats to back up your claims.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I'm completely against pot. Sure when I was a kid I had friends who smoked it and I laughed at them and they were still my friends. But over the years I've seen too many of the people I know start out with pot and advance to more dangerious drugs. Bottom line, all the heavy druggies I know of have one specific thing in common with one another, they all started using pot first.

Pot destroys lives. I know, I've seen it happen all around me through the people I knew. My father used to smoke pot back in the 70's. He's been off of it now for about 20 years. Through his experiences smoking it, he says that he wouldn't vote to legalize it because people who are on it don't have any ambition to go out and be productive individuals or anything, just sit around smoking pot and eating. And when it comes time to actually go to work or whatnot, they basically don't want to go and do it. Matter of fact, most long term pot smokers build up a resistance to want to follow laws, rules and don't like to follow instructions by higher authority.

Plus look at all the health issues the old 60's hippies now have. Many of them can't even control their bodily fluids anymore. After their brains are so fucked up from drugs, yeah, they need to get high to forget about their problems, that's unfortunately where medical pot comes in. People are so fucking stupid sometimes.

They didnt start with pot. They started with caffeine like all of us did. Pot is not a gateway drug. That is total B.S. People who are drunk are way more likely to try other things because their inhabitions are lowered. Anything can be a gateway if you allow the gate to be opened.

I've never known anybody that just jumped straight from booze to coke or heroin or whatever else... let alone caffeine to coke

People might try pot when they are drunk because their inhibitions are lowered, yes, but the pot is what opens the door for harder stuff in my experience.

Bull shit. Maybe you have seen this buy I havnt. Im calling like I have seen it from 20 years of experience. Pot does not open the door for harder stuff. Stupid people open the door for harder stuff. The gateway drug bullshit is propaganda with no hard scientific fact. Why am I not a raging coke head ? Why are none of the people I know that smoked over the years hooked on harder drugs ? Because they are responsible users. just because you smoke pot does not mean you abuse it. People seem to assume that if you use it you abuse it and that it leads to harder drugs. The only thing pot leads to is laughter and the munchies. Find stats to back up your claims.

Find stats to back up your claims that high people drive around causing nary a problem and that pot doesn't affect your health at all. I will readily admit this shit isn't easily quantified, I just know what I've lived just as you do.

Consensus seems to be on my side of the experience aisle, at least for the time being.

These days, from all the articles I've read and shows I've seen about it, more people are driving around full of 10 Vicodins or lots of OxyContin. It's the new addiction for suburanites, prescription painkillers.

Also, why do pot smokers get so incensed when people don't agree with their claims? Every time you try and argue with them it's like your insulting their mother or wife or shitting on their face without the good grace of laying some cellophane down first.

Ehwmatt wrote:Also, why do pot smokers get so incensed when people don't agree with their claims? Every time you try and argue with them it's like your insulting their mother or wife or shitting on their face without the good grace of laying some cellophane down first.

No kidding, chill...smoke a doob!!!

Jana wrote:These days, from all the articles I've read and shows I've seen about it, more people are driving around full of 10 Vicodins or lots of OxyContin. It's the new addiction for suburanites, prescription painkillers.

Believe me, that's pretty dangerous too.

Ehwmatt wrote:Also, why do pot smokers get so incensed when people don't agree with their claims? Every time you try and argue with them it's like your insulting their mother or wife or shitting on their face without the good grace of laying some cellophane down first.

I agree. I'm against pot being legalized for many reasons. And there was a story on the news last week about a family that had to move out of a small town b/c of all the people growing pot everywhere. Places exploded b/c many were indoor growing, one right next door to their home. She was a principal of a high school and said they finally had to think of their children and move away. So there it was legalized and look at all the losers it drew in there for growing purposes. And from what they showed, bigtime losers, just moving into the town to start their growing operations.

Jana wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Also, why do pot smokers get so incensed when people don't agree with their claims? Every time you try and argue with them it's like your insulting their mother or wife or shitting on their face without the good grace of laying some cellophane down first.

I agree. I'm against pot being legalized for many reasons. And there was a story on the news last week about a family that had to move out of a small town b/c of all the people growing pot everywhere. Places exploded b/c many were indoor growing, one right next door to their hom. She was a principal of a high school and said they finally had to think of their children and move away. So there it was legalized and look at all the losers it drew in there for growing purposes. And from what they showed, bigtime losers, just moving into the town to start their growing operations.

I know some very successful people who smoke (whose careers would be ruined if I ever got the urge), but I also know a lot of potential has been ruined by pot. Pot smokers' natural tendency is to act like you're being all prim and proper and clueless about it. Sorry, that's not reality.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Jana wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Also, why do pot smokers get so incensed when people don't agree with their claims? Every time you try and argue with them it's like your insulting their mother or wife or shitting on their face without the good grace of laying some cellophane down first.

I agree. I'm against pot being legalized for many reasons. And there was a story on the news last week about a family that had to move out of a small town b/c of all the people growing pot everywhere. Places exploded b/c many were indoor growing, one right next door to their hom. She was a principal of a high school and said they finally had to think of their children and move away. So there it was legalized and look at all the losers it drew in there for growing purposes. And from what they showed, bigtime losers, just moving into the town to start their growing operations.

I know some very successful people who smoke (whose careers would be ruined if I ever got the urge), but I also know a lot of potential has been ruined by pot. Pot smokers' natural tendency is to act like you're being all prim and proper and clueless about it. Sorry, that's not reality.

They act that way because it's illegal. I'm sure a lot of those traits would disappear if it were legal. I'm on the fence about it.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Jana wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Also, why do pot smokers get so incensed when people don't agree with their claims? Every time you try and argue with them it's like your insulting their mother or wife or shitting on their face without the good grace of laying some cellophane down first.

I agree. I'm against pot being legalized for many reasons. And there was a story on the news last week about a family that had to move out of a small town b/c of all the people growing pot everywhere. Places exploded b/c many were indoor growing, one right next door to their hom. She was a principal of a high school and said they finally had to think of their children and move away. So there it was legalized and look at all the losers it drew in there for growing purposes. And from what they showed, bigtime losers, just moving into the town to start their growing operations.

I know some very successful people who smoke (whose careers would be ruined if I ever got the urge), but I also know a lot of potential has been ruined by pot. Pot smokers' natural tendency is to act like you're being all prim and proper and clueless about it. Sorry, that's not reality.

I know many, too, that are very, very successful that smoke it, but I know just as many that b/c they do it all the time (daily), it affects their marriage and their drive careerwise and they don't see it. But I definitely don't think it should be any more than a misdemeanor to be caught with small amounts of pot. It's basically a slap on the wrist, as it should be to me.