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My question is this:

What would the league do if a player had a medical issue that could only be regulated by steroid treatments? Would that player be allowed to play?

Cause I can see this becoming an issue in the future....

ok....discuss.

Are there new medical issues that are going to come to light that players don't currently get legit treatment for

or...

Are you predicting that revolutionary steroids will come along to more effectively treat common sports injuries?

Ehwmatt wrote:Are there new medical issues that are going to come to light that players don't currently get legit treatment for

or...

Are you predicting that revolutionary steroids will come along to more effectively treat common sports injuries?

Hmmm....let me modify my question:

The NFL has banned steroids because they are a PED. So what would happen if a player was on steroids for medical reasons. A by-product of his using those steroids would be performance enhancing, something the league frowns upon. Would he be allowed to play?

I can't imagine that an athlete with a condition that is treated by anabolic steroids would be healthy enough to play anyway...but, interesting question.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:Are there new medical issues that are going to come to light that players don't currently get legit treatment for

or...

Are you predicting that revolutionary steroids will come along to more effectively treat common sports injuries?

Hmmm....let me modify my question:

The NFL has banned steroids because they are a PED. So what would happen if a player was on steroids for medical reasons. A by-product of his using those steroids would be performance enhancing, something the league frowns upon. Would he be allowed to play?

This is a good question. I don't think there's anything the league could do if the player were prescribed it for medical purposes. There is a difference between anabolic and cortico steroids though. The latter being used in the medical field.

Angel wrote:I can't imagine that an athlete with a condition that is treated by anabolic steroids would be healthy enough to play anyway...but, interesting question.

That's what I was going to say. If he's got a medical situation that requires this kind of treatment, what's he running around tackling people for?

I hate football. What am I even doing in this topic?

Another question I have is this BS about not having a test to test an athlete for HGH. If the average body has HGH already in it there must be some sort of base level....a test could just test for higher than normal traces of it. No? Am I crazy?

Yes.

Rick wrote:This is a good question. I don't think there's anything the league could do if the player were prescribed it for medical purposes. There is a difference between anabolic and cortico steroids though. The latter being used in the medical field.

True Rick, however, there are some conditions that are treated with anabolic steroids but most of the patients being treated with them are very sick patients....for example, advanced AIDS.......

Angel wrote:

Rick wrote:This is a good question. I don't think there's anything the league could do if the player were prescribed it for medical purposes. There is a difference between anabolic and cortico steroids though. The latter being used in the medical field.

True Rick, however, there are some conditions that are treated with anabolic steroids but most of the patients being treated with them are very sick patients....for example, advanced AIDS.......

I didn't know that. Thanks Nat.

StocktontoMalone wrote:Another question I have is this BS about not having a test to test an athlete for HGH. If the average body has HGH already in it there must be some sort of base level....a test could just test for higher than normal traces of it. No? Am I crazy?

Crazy? No.
Merely twisting yourself into a pretzel with preemptive alibis b/c you know the Red Socks are baseball's methadone clinic.

There is no reason that someone in sports (who is healthy enough to play pro sports) would need anabolic steroids other than to cheat...gain an advantage over the next person. Anyone who believes otherwise is being naive.

Red13JoePa wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:Another question I have is this BS about not having a test to test an athlete for HGH. If the average body has HGH already in it there must be some sort of base level....a test could just test for higher than normal traces of it. No? Am I crazy?

Crazy? No.
Merely twisting yourself into a pretzel with preemptive alibis b/c you know the Red Socks are baseball's methadone clinic.

Bro, you know that Joe Pa is on 'roids and HGH...look at the guy! Still going strong on the sidelines. Paterno is the poster gramps for steroids.

yulog wrote:There is no reason that someone in sports (who is healthy enough to play pro sports) would need anabolic steroids other than to cheat...gain an advantage over the next person. Anyone who believes otherwise is being naive.

Totally agree! The breaking of records of some all time greats due to steroid use is a travesty.

Rick wrote:

Angel wrote:

Rick wrote:This is a good question. I don't think there's anything the league could do if the player were prescribed it for medical purposes. There is a difference between anabolic and cortico steroids though. The latter being used in the medical field.

True Rick, however, there are some conditions that are treated with anabolic steroids but most of the patients being treated with them are very sick patients....for example, advanced AIDS.......

I didn't know that. Thanks Nat.

This is experimental at best and basically is just to try to keep weight on ...this in no way is a standard practice. The theory is that because cancer and Aids patients go thru so much weight loss(a term known as wasting) they believe that steroids could possibly help prevent that by increasing muscle mass. Of course the theory is flawed because just taking steroids isnt going to produce results, they have to use the muscles to get them bigger and if they are sick/weak there's not much chance they are going to be doing any effective workouts to increase mass on there bodies.

There are a number of kinds of steroids, the kind that are used for reducing inflammation such as in asthma, inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, etc and this type actually causes muscle wasting. The anabolic steroids are way on the other end of the spectrum, not much inflammation reduction but because it is a derivative of testosterone, causes gain in muscle mass. There is no reason why a person with asthma (in fact there are many athletes such as swimmers with asthma, and I have heard of 2 football players with ulcerative colitis) or Crohn's disease should not be able to perform their sport when their disease is in remission. Athletes with NO underlying medical problems can have irregular heart beats and die a sudden death even in their teens. (FYI my sister is a pharmacist)

WalkInMyShoes wrote:There are a number of kinds of steroids, the kind that are used for reducing inflammation such as in asthma, inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, etc and this type actually causes muscle wasting. The anabolic steroids are way on the other end of the spectrum, not much inflammation reduction but because it is a derivative of testosterone, causes gain in muscle mass. There is no reason why a person with asthma (in fact there are many athletes such as swimmers with asthma, and I have heard of 2 football players with ulcerative colitis) or Crohn's disease should not be able to perform their sport when their disease is in remission. Athletes with NO underlying medical problems can have irregular heart beats and die a sudden death even in their teens. (FYI my sister is a pharmacist)

I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

yulog wrote:This is experimental at best and basically is just to try to keep weight on ...this in no way is a standard practice. The theory is that because cancer and Aids patients go thru so much weight loss(a term known as wasting) they believe that steroids could possibly help prevent that by increasing muscle mass. Of course the theory is flawed because just taking steroids isnt going to produce results, they have to use the muscles to get them bigger and if they are sick/weak there's not much chance they are going to be doing any effective workouts to increase mass on there bodies.

Yeah, I know....that was just the first example I could think of.....

Rick wrote:

WalkInMyShoes wrote:There are a number of kinds of steroids, the kind that are used for reducing inflammation such as in asthma, inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, etc and this type actually causes muscle wasting. The anabolic steroids are way on the other end of the spectrum, not much inflammation reduction but because it is a derivative of testosterone, causes gain in muscle mass. There is no reason why a person with asthma (in fact there are many athletes such as swimmers with asthma, and I have heard of 2 football players with ulcerative colitis) or Crohn's disease should not be able to perform their sport when their disease is in remission. Athletes with NO underlying medical problems can have irregular heart beats and die a sudden death even in their teens. (FYI my sister is a pharmacist)

I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

Drug 'A' cures BPH, but may cause drowsiness, dry mouth, itching, loss of hair, tinnitis, loss of tears, hemhoroids, hives, impotence, sterility, weight gain...but you won't urinate 55 times during the day. What a tradeoff!

StocktontoMalone wrote:

Rick wrote:

WalkInMyShoes wrote:There are a number of kinds of steroids, the kind that are used for reducing inflammation such as in asthma, inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, etc and this type actually causes muscle wasting. The anabolic steroids are way on the other end of the spectrum, not much inflammation reduction but because it is a derivative of testosterone, causes gain in muscle mass. There is no reason why a person with asthma (in fact there are many athletes such as swimmers with asthma, and I have heard of 2 football players with ulcerative colitis) or Crohn's disease should not be able to perform their sport when their disease is in remission. Athletes with NO underlying medical problems can have irregular heart beats and die a sudden death even in their teens. (FYI my sister is a pharmacist)

I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

Drug 'A' cures BPH, but may cause drowsiness, dry mouth, itching, loss of hair, tinnitis, loss of tears, hemhoroids, hives, impotence, sterility, weight gain...but you won't urinate 55 times during the day. What a tradeoff!

Rick wrote:

WalkInMyShoes wrote:There are a number of kinds of steroids, the kind that are used for reducing inflammation such as in asthma, inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, etc and this type actually causes muscle wasting. The anabolic steroids are way on the other end of the spectrum, not much inflammation reduction but because it is a derivative of testosterone, causes gain in muscle mass. There is no reason why a person with asthma (in fact there are many athletes such as swimmers with asthma, and I have heard of 2 football players with ulcerative colitis) or Crohn's disease should not be able to perform their sport when their disease is in remission. Athletes with NO underlying medical problems can have irregular heart beats and die a sudden death even in their teens. (FYI my sister is a pharmacist)

I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

Yeah, that prednisone is brutal thank god its a corticosteroid, and not an anabolic one, Rick you would be huge!

By the way ...nice 6 pack you got there

I agree! Drugs are all toxins and every single one, from Tylenol to chemotherapy has side effects. My point was that athletes should not be forbidden to do sports because they have a medical condition and secondly, there are different types of steroids so the type abused by athletes and the physicians who prescribe them is different than the type used for most medical problems.

Those participating in this forum might be different but if given the choice of major lifestyle change v.s. drug to take care of a problem, most people choose the drug because it is "easier".

I know people with Crohn's and longterm steroids definitely suck. I'm sorry that you have to live with this disease.

WalkInMyShoes wrote:I agree! Drugs are all toxins and every single one, from Tylenol to chemotherapy has side effects. My point was that athletes should not be forbidden to do sports because they have a medical condition and secondly, there are different types of steroids so the type abused by athletes and the physicians who prescribe them is different than the type used for most medical problems.

Those participating in this forum might be different but if given the choice of major lifestyle change v.s. drug to take care of a problem, most people choose the drug because it is "easier".

I know people with Crohn's and longterm steroids definitely suck. I'm sorry that you have to live with this disease.

Thank you. I'm doing very well with it. My GI doctor is one of the best in the business.

Rick wrote:I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

You do? I didn't know. My sister in law battled with that on an EPIC scale (ending with major surgery, complications, more surgery... omg). She's been on Pred for years now and she's gained SO much weight from it. Every time they try to take her off of it, a laundry list of problems flare up, the poor thing.

I've been put on Pred 3 times for severe allergic reactions. It turns you into friggin' Cookie Monster... "Ommmm nommmm NOMMMMMM!" eating everything in sight.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Rick wrote:I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

You do? I didn't know. My sister in law battled with that on an EPIC scale (ending with major surgery, complications, more surgery... omg). She's been on Pred for years now and she's gained SO much weight from it. Every time they try to take her off of it, a laundry list of problems flare up, the poor thing.

I've been put on Pred 3 times for severe allergic reactions. It turns you into friggin' Cookie Monster... "Ommmm nommmm NOMMMMMM!" eating everything in sight.

I've been very lucky. I haven't had the weight gain that so many, including my mother, had. It does give you a voracious appetite, but I just supplant that with beer.

Sorry about your SIL though. I hope they find a cure for it.

Rick wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Rick wrote:I have Chrons disease, and take Prednisone on a fairly regular basis. The list of side effects are mind numbing.

You do? I didn't know. My sister in law battled with that on an EPIC scale (ending with major surgery, complications, more surgery... omg). She's been on Pred for years now and she's gained SO much weight from it. Every time they try to take her off of it, a laundry list of problems flare up, the poor thing.

I've been put on Pred 3 times for severe allergic reactions. It turns you into friggin' Cookie Monster... "Ommmm nommmm NOMMMMMM!" eating everything in sight.

I've been very lucky. I haven't had the weight gain that so many, including my mother, had. It does give you a voracious appetite, but I just supplant that with beer.

Sorry about your SIL though. I hope they find a cure for it.

I was only on it for a few weeks at a time each of those times I had to take it, and I felt like eating the moon. One night I killed a full pack of golden Oreos. So now when I have a reaction and have to take it, I go right to the grocery store and buy a crap ton of fruit and veggies. if I'm going to be reaching for a ridiculous amount of food, it needs to not be Oreos.

Maybe that's why football players are so big?

Steriods?

Two words - Lyle Alzado

Shortly before his death, published in Sports Illistrated, Lyle wrote:

"I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."