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Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

yulog wrote:Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

Yeah, now the music sounds very lite AOR-ish.

StocktontoMalone wrote:

yulog wrote:Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

Yeah, now the music sounds very lite AOR-ish.

Terry Brock is one of the better singers out there (and an inspired choice), but if that clip is any indication of the album, it's NOT Giant. Doesn't sound one bit like the other albums. Call it a new band or whatever, but don't try and resurrect a band with an album minus the key player AND a totally different sound.

I like the clip...sounds promising.

kgdjpubs wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

yulog wrote:Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

Yeah, now the music sounds very lite AOR-ish.

Terry Brock is one of the better singers out there (and an inspired choice), but if that clip is any indication of the album, it's NOT Giant. Doesn't sound one bit like the other albums. Call it a new band or whatever, but don't try and resurrect a band with an album minus the key player AND a totally different sound.

How come you're sure it's Brock?

Pelata wrote:I like the clip...sounds promising.

For another band without Giant's legacy it would be a good song, but for Giant it is a weak song, weakly executed and especially a week production.

Where's the guitar fills and layers that Dann layed down?!

I can get used to another guitarist but the vocals are just not on par with the previous singer.

MichaelRiesenbeck wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

yulog wrote:Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

Yeah, now the music sounds very lite AOR-ish.

Terry Brock is one of the better singers out there (and an inspired choice), but if that clip is any indication of the album, it's NOT Giant. Doesn't sound one bit like the other albums. Call it a new band or whatever, but don't try and resurrect a band with an album minus the key player AND a totally different sound.

How come you're sure it's Brock?

I'm not sure I would have picked up on it except for the fact that someone on the main noticeboard said it was him. Listen to the high notes in the chorus (if we take it day BY DAY). That tone is unmistakable--and you can't copy that. He's singing a LOT lower than he normally does, and it even threw me. It's Terry Brock.

kgdjpubs wrote:

MichaelRiesenbeck wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

yulog wrote:Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

Yeah, now the music sounds very lite AOR-ish.

Terry Brock is one of the better singers out there (and an inspired choice), but if that clip is any indication of the album, it's NOT Giant. Doesn't sound one bit like the other albums. Call it a new band or whatever, but don't try and resurrect a band with an album minus the key player AND a totally different sound.

How come you're sure it's Brock?

I'm not sure I would have picked up on it except for the fact that someone on the main noticeboard said it was him. Listen to the high notes in the chorus (if we take it day BY DAY). That tone is unmistakable--and you can't copy that. He's singing a LOT lower than he normally does, and it even threw me. It's Terry Brock.

Could be. Would be him holding back. Still, overall for Giant it's weak.

MichaelRiesenbeck wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

MichaelRiesenbeck wrote:

kgdjpubs wrote:

StocktontoMalone wrote:

yulog wrote:Sounds like Dan Huff isn't singing for this band anymore, and its pretty obvious the new music is suffering because of it.

Yeah, now the music sounds very lite AOR-ish.

Terry Brock is one of the better singers out there (and an inspired choice), but if that clip is any indication of the album, it's NOT Giant. Doesn't sound one bit like the other albums. Call it a new band or whatever, but don't try and resurrect a band with an album minus the key player AND a totally different sound.

How come you're sure it's Brock?

I'm not sure I would have picked up on it except for the fact that someone on the main noticeboard said it was him. Listen to the high notes in the chorus (if we take it day BY DAY). That tone is unmistakable--and you can't copy that. He's singing a LOT lower than he normally does, and it even threw me. It's Terry Brock.

Could be. Would be him holding back. Still, overall for Giant it's weak.

He's holding back a lot, which doesn't do him any favors. Guy's an incredible singer, as his solo album and the Strangeways catalogue show. I'm not sure if he fits in here, but he certainly is an inspired choice. Dann Huff was/is a pretty good vocalist himself.

Still don't think it's Giant, and it's not mind-blowing at all, regardless of the name of the band. The best of the leftovers that comprised the Giant 3 album was better than this--and at least it sounded like Giant. By using the name, you are holding it to a standard/style that it doesn't reach. If this is representative of the album, this should be a new band. Period.

Ugh is right. No Dan Huff, No Giant...in my book.

His guitar playing is as distinct as his voice.....this is an utter FAIL in my book.

This whole project really shouldn't be happening.

Giant was based around guitars and vocals. You can replace one of those things and still have a legitimate band, but not both. I won't say the other guys weren't talented, but the keys, bass & drums were not the focal points of Giant.

can someone post a link or something ?

JSS Rocks! wrote:can someone post a link or something ?

right on the front page, but here's the link to the song
http://www.melodicrock.com/audio/Giant2009.mp3

It's good for what it is, but it's NOT Giant by any means... No Huff, No Giant... It's pretty simple...

If this was a new band its only mediocre but its Giant, no way wtf.

Simply wrong to call it Giant without Huff.
Big Mistake.

What a deception !!!!!

Could you imagine Winger without Kip Winger ?!?!?!?

How can I imagine Giant withour Dann Huff ?!?!?!?

About the song: It´s very obvious (a simple melodic song) and I did not like the voice of this guy. Ok, it´s a sample of 2 minutes, the album can be different, but in respect of their audience and themselves, the band could have another name !!!!

Lucianotaz wrote:What a deception !!!!!

Could you imagine Winger without Kip Winger ?!?!?!?

How can I imagine Giant withour Dann Huff ?!?!?!?

About the song: It´s very obvious (a simple melodic song) and I did not like the voice of this guy. Ok, it´s a sample of 2 minutes, the album can be different, but in respect of their audience and themselves, the band could have another name !!!!

I was thinking, what if it is Terry Brock and he would sing like on the first Strangeways album, so rough and a little more uncontrolled. That could have worked. The guitarist could be John Roth of Winger like some people say, and he is a good player but nowhere near Dann's league. But then again there are only a few that are.

The guitarist could be John Roth of Winger like some people say, and he is a good player but nowhere near Dann's league.

How do you know? Has he ever really cut loose? I mean Dann is a god on guitar, but Roth has usually been second fiddle and hasn't been able to stretch....

new clip = awful


I have been a fan of the Huff Brothers since their time in Whiteheart....So when I got the first Giant cd I was pretty psyched.

It was good...nothing landmark, but pretty good and it got a lot of listens.


So now, we have a new "Giant"...without Huff....with a teaser photo of their midsections..... WOW....The world is on it's edge for the return of Giant.


A band, with the AWESOME Dann Huff never were a commercial success, are making a comeback without "Huff" ???


Have fun selling under 2,000 cd's in the US....and that's being kind.


Other then diehards, no one is waiting for this nor do they want this.

I don't blame Huff for not wanting to be a part of this.

JSS Rocks! wrote:new clip = awful


I have been a fan of the Huff Brothers since their time in Whiteheart....So when I got the first Giant cd I was pretty psyched.

It was good...nothing landmark, but pretty good and it got a lot of listens.


So now, we have a new "Giant"...without Huff....with a teaser photo of their midsections..... WOW....The world is on it's edge for the return of Giant.


A band, with the AWESOME Dann Huff never were a commercial success, are making a comeback without "Huff" ???


Have fun selling under 2,000 cd's in the US....and that's being kind.


Other then diehards, no one is waiting for this nor do they want this.

I don't blame Huff for not wanting to be a part of this.

Hey, I'd LOVE to sell 2000 cd's!

Pelata wrote:

The guitarist could be John Roth of Winger like some people say, and he is a good player but nowhere near Dann's league.

How do you know? Has he ever really cut loose? I mean Dann is a god on guitar, but Roth has usually been second fiddle and hasn't been able to stretch....

I've checked out a lot of clips and vids of him playing including him cutting loose and while he is good it's just not of Dann's level.

But the future Will tell.

As others have said, No Huff No Giant. This is very poor.
Don't like the vocals either, even if it is Brock. Brock should make friends with the brothers and get back in Strangeways.

I can't help but feel like this reaks of some record company meddling, a bunch of business guys trying to find some band with a decent name to resurrect, regardless of musical integrity, and hoping no one will notice the absence of the primary singer, guitarist and songwriter from the previous incarnation. Either that or the "other" guys in Giant simply are desperate and making one last-ditch effort to have careers. Either way, not good.

I had not visited the message board when I listened to the clip and had not heard that Dann Huff was not involved. It only took me one second to realize that this was not Dann Huff. The first thing I thought of was that it sounded like JSS. I am not familiar with Terry Brock.

The biggest problem with Giant is Dann Huff! He is way too talented and in demand to dedicated to what now amounts to a vanity project.

The remaining members David and Mike really only have Giant and have made two records that they did not tour and haven't really toured in 19 years. The music is way too good to leave in the past, but how do you move on without Dan Huff?

I thought the clip was a pretty decent song, but I did not sound like Giant.

I want to address this "heart and soul of Giant" thing about Dann.

Dann was the singer, Dann was the (amazing) lead guitarist, Dann was also NOT the "main" writer in the band...he was one of many CO-writers.

Looking at LoTR, TtB, and III there are lots of names other than Huff...3 have no Huff at all listed as writing....here's the list:

I'm a Believer - Huff, Huff, Narsh, Pasqua, Spiro
Innocent Days - Huff, Spiro
I Can't Get Close Enough - Huff, Spiro
I'll See You in My Dreams - Pasqua, Spiro
No Way Out - Huff, Huff, Pasqua, Thomas
Shake Me Up - Brignardello, Huff, Pasqua
It Takes Two - Pasqua, Spiro
Stranger to Me - Brignardello, Huff, Thomas
Hold Back the Night - Huff, Naish, Spiro
Love Welcome Home - Huff, Pasqual, Spiro
The Big Pitch - Huff, Pasqua, Thomas


Thunder and Lightning - Huff, Stephenson
Chained - Brignardello, Huff, Pasqua
Lay It on the Line - Brignardello, Huff
Stay - Huff, Pasqua, Stephenson
Lost in Paradise - Pasqua, Stephenson
Smoulder - Huff
Time to Burn - Brignardello, Huff, Pasqua
I'll Be There (When It's Over) - Huff, Thomas, Vallance
Save Me Tonight - Brignardello, Cerney, Huff
Without You - no writers listed
Now Until Forever - no writers listed
Get Used To It - no writers listed


Combustion [instrumental] - Huff
You Will Be Mine - Brignardello, Huff
Over You - Brignardello, Huff
Don't Leave Me in Love - Huff, Spiro
Love Can't Help You Now - Huff, Spiro
The Sky Is the Limit - Huff, Stephenson
Its Not the End of the World - Farrell, Huff, Stephenson
Oh Yeah - Brignardello, Huff
Can't Let Go - Huff


I submit that the music on all 3 Giant albums was written by a combination of NINE different people...doesn't exactly paint Dann Huff as THE mastermind of the Giant sound, does it?

MichaelRiesenbeck wrote:

Pelata wrote:I like the clip...sounds promising.

For another band without Giant's legacy it would be a good song, but for Giant it is a weak song, weakly executed and especially a week production.

Where's the guitar fills and layers that Dann layed down?!

I can get used to another guitarist but the vocals are just not on par with the previous singer.

Well.. you know guys I'm not used to write on the forum too much but I think the new "Giant" clip deserves to be discussed a little bit. I'm sorry for my poor english, I'll try to write as clear as I can.

I wasn't aware the "band" was going to release something new 'till my (and yours) friend and bandmate Jim Rykbost (aka Jimbo) brought that my
attention: knowing I'm a BIG BIG fan of the CLASSIC GIANT the band.

When I heard the clip I just told him:

1) That singer's not Dann
2) The song probably is the weakest one out of all the GIANT discography.
3) Production "s**ks"

I'm glad to figure out Michael thought the same thing.

As I'm not a producer I would beg everyone's pardon for sayin what is written at point 3 but I'm sure Dann's not behind the mix on this song..It sounds waaaaayyyy different from his actual recording and mixing results. AND...whoever the singer is....he is certainly great...and certainly greater than many guys (me included) around in the biz and in the underground but I just can't believe they're gonna call it GIANT !!!!

That's too bad...I'm not sure that's been a real good marketing strategy for a long awaited comeback like the GIANT's one.

Peace & Love
Alex

Pelata wrote:I want to address this "heart and soul of Giant" thing about Dann.

Dann was the singer, Dann was the (amazing) lead guitarist, Dann was also NOT the "main" writer in the band...he was one of many CO-writers.

Looking at LoTR, TtB, and III there are lots of names other than Huff...3 have no Huff at all listed as writing....here's the list:

I submit that the music on all 3 Giant albums was written by a combination of NINE different people...doesn't exactly paint Dann Huff as THE mastermind of the Giant sound, does it?

True. And you could say also that Dann didn't produce the albums (at least not the first one if I remember correctly, not sure about the 2nd one). Still, there's too much of "Giant" missing to call it "Giant".

For me the most important part is the vocals. Dann is one of those singers which I believe when he sings the lyrics. Same with Perry, Lukather (on the ballads) and Don Henley for instance. AND, also with Terry Brock in Strangeways. If this is indeed Brock he does a poor job at convincing me to believe the lyrics.

There were a few key things in Giant which I need to hear in order to call it Giant:

- Amazing production
- Believable vocals with Soul! (I think that is what I'm missing in these vocals)
- Layers of guitar parts
- Snappy songs with an edge and a catchy hook, yet wellthought in respect to the arrangements

I don't even recognize David Huff's drums in this song. If someone would have told me it was a new band, named "xxxxx" I would have believed it, since NOTHING is recognizable as Giant.

To my ears that is. I just hope this song was a rough low quality mp3 mix of a work in progress and that the album will blow me away.

It doesn't get any better than this, although the acoustic version is better:

Stay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2sMWL_1Umw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAFvEcFKzT4&feature=fvw


And THAT, my friends is what is missing on the new stuff.....

He began his career as part of the original Christian rock band White Heart in which he played with his brother David Huff, and later in the melodic rock band Giant. Since then, he has found work as a session guitarist and producer, in both rock and country music. He has played guitar on albums for Keith Urban, Reba McEntire, Suzy Bogguss, Kathy Mattea, Faith Hill, Roger Hodgson, Martina McBride, Trisha Yearwood, Steven Curtis Chapman, Lonestar, George Benson[2], Whitney Houston's debut album Whitney Houston, Barbra Streisand[3], Kenny Rogers[4] and more.