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SCREW SCIATIC NERVE ATTACK!!

Postby MBPL » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:16 am

WARNING: MBPL feels slightly "high" and not as stressed or occasionally bitchy out as she normally am...is.


Sunday I napped due to my damned cold, but when I woke I had a nagging muscle pull in my flat black booty. That night the "nagging" pull turned into a sharp, annoying pain in my left thigh and butt cheek, did not sleep all night!

Monday I woke up with a worse burning shooting pain, excruciating it was, I literally crawled out of bed and the shower. Went to hospital, told that pill-pushing doc "I do not do drugs! Just give me something for the pain, but make it mild." Turned out I have a Sciatic nerve thingy or whatever the hell it is. Went back to work, but could not take the muscle relaxer and Cough Suppressant with Codeine until that evening 'cause they cause drowsiness.

Tuesday, still in severe pain, but took what meds I could during the day.

Wednesday afternoon I took one of those muscle pills to see if it would help with the pain and weeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllll...I have just pleasantly discovered muscle relaxers are no joke, wait hold on....woooooooooooooooow!

Now, I do not do "happy" drugs and so far I only took 1 tablet when the bottle says take 3 a day. I think one is fine for the pain, but, wait... :lol: :? :? :? :? :? :? :? what was I saying?Oh well. :lol: :lol: Anywhoooo...........

Hey, has anyone ever been on something called CYCLOBENZAPRINE? If so, I don't want to take 3 a day, I am afraid of getting addicted. If you have taken let me know if it makes you feel the way I feel right now which is not so much sleepy, but pretty much :D :D :D :D and :? :? :? :? MBPL
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Postby JH'sTXfan » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:37 am

I go to the chiropractor on a monthly basis. He keeps the sciatica worked out. One "pretzel crunch" from him, no more pain. :wink:
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Postby Babyblue » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:45 am

I have not heard of that one.Just please take care of yourself.Stay off the pole till after you feel better.lolol
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Postby tammy » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:07 pm

Fact Finder wrote:CYCLOBENZAPRINE is just Flexaril. You can't get high on that shit. To weak.

I pinched a nerve in my neck last week shoveling snow and they gave me 8 percs and 10 xanax. THOSE will get you high.


Those sound like they'll get you dead. :shock:
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Postby MBPL » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:10 pm

Fact Finder: Really? Good lord, I must be the weakest bitch on the planet! That Flexi-stuff had me feeling very, very calm and slightly happy. To tell you the truth, Novocaine makes me drowsy, yet it is not known as a sleep agent. Told you I'm a spaz!

JH'sTXfan: Yup, the hospital gave me exercises to do. Gotta get on that.

Babyblue: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "stay off the pole" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:!!!!!!

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Postby 7 Wishes » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:13 pm

You need to see a neurosurgeon immediately.

The affliction from which you're suffering is called radiculopathy, and it's usually indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc in the lumbar (lower back) region...L4-L5 or L5-L6 in particular. It's usually not treatable with anything other than surgery or a superbly crafted regimen of physical and occupational therapy and periodic injections. Don't let an orthopaedic physiatrist trick you into thinking a non-surgical approach is the best one until you consult with a neurosurgeron.

Also, it is critical you NOT consult with a chiropractor, since their methodologies are counterindicated by neurological medical science. The pain will continue to escalate, and you will have parasthesias (numbing and shooting pain) in your hamstrings and calves if left untreated.

Question: did you exercise vigorously in a time frame of close proximity to the onset of your initial sympoms?
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Postby MBPL » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:49 pm

7 Wishes wrote:You need to see a neurosurgeon immediately.

The affliction from which you're suffering is called radiculopathy, and it's usually indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc in the lumbar (lower back) region...L4-L5 or L5-L6 in particular. It's usually not treatable with anything other than surgery or a superbly crafted regimen of physical and occupational therapy and periodic injections. Don't let an orthopaedic physiatrist trick you into thinking a non-surgical approach is the best one until you consult with a neurosurgeron.

Also, it is critical you NOT consult with a chiropractor, since their methodologies are counterindicated by neurological medical science. The pain will continue to escalate, and you will have parasthesias (numbing and shooting pain) in your hamstrings and calves if left untreated.

Question: did you exercise vigorously in a time frame of close proximity to the onset of your initial sympoms?


Thank you for input 7 wishes. I do exercise, but not aggressively, only on weekends. My doctor told me to see a NeuroPsychiatrist for my cognitive issues, but I will look into discussion with Neurosurgeon, thank for you the suggestion. But, surgery and chiropractors for me, not gonna happen! Yikes! I prefer doing exercise and rest to curb future flare-ups.

Some of the meds I am taking make me feel less anxious, not so much "high," I was being facetious. :wink: It's just that I have never been on Anxiety meds, so it was kind of a shock for me, you know. The pain is not so intense on meds so that's kind of cool. Thanks again for your help, my dear. Will handle this Sciatic madness as soon as I can! :D MBPL
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Postby treetopovskaya » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:04 pm

omg i get that. right cheek & down right leg. effin hurts so bad! i lift my right knee up to stretch it out & that usually helps. prolly should go see someone about it tho. sometimes the pain is so bad it freezes me... can't move... lifting the knee helps tho.

i don't know why doctors are so quick to pass out pain meds... pain is a warning that something is wrong... why mask it with drugs?

i've been told that it helps to work on the abs. your back has to compensate when you have weak abdominal muscles. pfft.
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Postby parfait » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:08 pm

7 Wishes wrote:You need to see a neurosurgeon immediately.

The affliction from which you're suffering is called radiculopathy, and it's usually indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc in the lumbar (lower back) region...L4-L5 or L5-L6 in particular. It's usually not treatable with anything other than surgery or a superbly crafted regimen of physical and occupational therapy and periodic injections. Don't let an orthopaedic physiatrist trick you into thinking a non-surgical approach is the best one until you consult with a neurosurgeron.

Also, it is critical you NOT consult with a chiropractor, since their methodologies are counterindicated by neurological medical science. The pain will continue to escalate, and you will have parasthesias (numbing and shooting pain) in your hamstrings and calves if left untreated.

Question: did you exercise vigorously in a time frame of close proximity to the onset of your initial sympoms?


Dude, you can't just diagnose people like you're some online super doctor. And you can't be serious that she should go see a neurosurgeon and get surgery - cause I got to tell you, that's only reserved for patients with signs of severe muscle weakness or extreme pain. Still, it could be a number of things that cause the sciatica, cause it's just another symptom. (Even worse, Lumbar radiculopathy is not a proper diagnose at all, since it's just the latin word for nerve irritation of the vertebra; Anatomy 101!)

Seriously Lorrie; you'll most likely need a lot of rest and maybe some physical therapy. If the doctor thought you had radiculopathy then he'd give you a EMG.

Just rest and take it easy for a while (I don't know what cyclobenzaprine is but if it's a mucle relaxant, then be careful what other pills you take, cause muscle relaxants doesn't mix well with other medications and don't take more than what your doctor told you to. And please; trust your doctor, not some guy on the internet :wink: (no offence, man)

Lorrie, you just relax and listen to the doctor. Take it easy for a while and you'll be fine in a few weeks.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:21 am

Dr. Parfait - it seems to me your counter-diagnosis could be harmful.

Did I say radiculopathy was a diagnosis? No. I said it was "indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc" and then offered a couple of different treatment methods that are far more sensible than seeing a chiropractor.

And no, the symptoms of "severe muscle weakness or extreme pain" are not the exclusive domain of ruptured or bulging discs. Those parasthesias to which I referred are the symptoms that there already IS a neurological impairment.

I worked in health care in Administration for eight years and also have my LPN (although I haven't served in that capacity for almost ten years), so I do know what I am talking about.

The reason I happen to know a lot about this topic is because I had major back surgery for two ruptured discs in 1999, and my wife has a Harrington rod in her back because of severe scoliosis. It turned out the chiropractic referral my initial chiropractor gave me wound up almost paralyzing me. Almost a dozen of my training clients have had some form of back surgery (I specialize in training special populations) and share their stories with me all the time.

So, it IS better she consult with a neurosurgeon first. If she has an MRI and there is no reason to believe there are protruding or herniated discs, then she won't need surgical intervention. But if she were to continue down a path of the wrong kind of treatment or intervention when there was an underlying condition that could only be made worse by a non-surgical treatment plan, the consequences could be dire.

And finally - doctors make the wrong diagnosis all the time. My first TWO orthopaedists treated me as though I had a muscle pull in my thigh! The third finally decided to send me for an MRI and was shocked that I had ruptured discs. So getting as much information as possible is critical, and getting a second or third opinion is ALWAYS the best idea.
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Postby parfait » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:38 am

7 Wishes wrote:Dr. Parfait - it seems to me your counter-diagnosis could be harmful.

Did I say radiculopathy was a diagnosis? No. I said it was "indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc" and then offered a couple of different treatment methods that are far more sensible than seeing a chiropractor.

And no, the symptoms of "severe muscle weakness or extreme pain" are not the exclusive domain of ruptured or bulging discs. Those parasthesias to which I referred are the symptoms that there already IS a neurological impairment.

I worked in health care in Administration for eight years and also have my LPN (although I haven't served in that capacity for almost ten years), so I do know what I am talking about.

The reason I happen to know a lot about this topic is because I had major back surgery for two ruptured discs in 1999, and my wife has a Harrington rod in her back because of severe scoliosis. It turned out the chiropractic referral my initial chiropractor gave me wound up almost paralyzing me. Almost a dozen of my training clients have had some form of back surgery (I specialize in training special populations) and share their stories with me all the time.

So, it IS better she consult with a neurosurgeon first. If she has an MRI and there is no reason to believe there are protruding or herniated discs, then she won't need surgical intervention. But if she were to continue down a path of the wrong kind of treatment or intervention when there was an underlying condition that could only be made worse by a non-surgical treatment plan, the consequences could be dire.

And finally - doctors make the wrong diagnosis all the time. My first TWO orthopaedists treated me as though I had a muscle pull in my thigh! The third finally decided to send me for an MRI and was shocked that I had ruptured discs. So getting as much information as possible is critical, and getting a second or third opinion is ALWAYS the best idea.


I get where you're coming from, but to make the assumption that some pain from the lower back equates to her needing surgery, is way off base.

The doctor gave her a diagnosis already. If the pain persists, I'd bet the doctor gives her a EMG or MRN (those babies are expensive though) and take it from there. What you're doing is potentially frightening - if someone told me I had to get to a neurosurgeon real fast, then I'd be worried too.

And no, doctors doesn't make the wrong diagnosis all the time - that's bullshit. Just because you got a few bad experiences with doctors, doesn't make everyone incompetent.
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:08 am

Pfft. Muscle relaxers are awesome..for a temporary high, err, pain reliever. I get this all the time, and I throw 3 somas(muscle relaxers) down along with about 5 percocets(pain meds). I can go from lame and crippled to running for hours. Percocet rules. I tell ya, if Obama was smart, he would instruct his commanders over in Afghanistan and Iraq to air drop about a million vicodin/percocet or Lortabs...the war would be over in about a day and we would all be singing Kumbaya.

Not telling you to not obey your doctor Lorrie, but for God sake don't be so pussified..if the bottle says take 1 tablet every 4 hours, I take 4 every hour. You may want to experiment :P
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:11 am

Rockindeano wrote:if the bottle says take 1 tablet every 4 hours, I take 4 every hour. You may want to experiment :P


This is hysterical and the best advice I've seen in this thread, Dr. Deano!! :wink:
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Postby lights1961 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:33 am

I feel your pain... and its got to HURT LIKE HELL... but damn the way you tell the story HAD ME LAUGHING SO HARD, I now have a side ache!!!
LMAO!!!
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Postby MBPL » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:30 am

Well, I did not mean for you all to reprimand yourselves, but I get where you all are coming from. Clearly I will have to pay attention to my doctor, but one opinion is not always correct. I have no idea where this injury stems from and I don't want future flare ups, therefore, I will seek additional medical advice whether from Neurosurgeon or whomever, and I will get more than one opinion for sure. But, again, surgery and chiropractor are out, I just don't trust those practices.

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: Well, I took 2 pills yesterday (bottle says take 3 per day). Actually aside from making me feel less anxious and slightly happy this morning my leg is almost completely free of pain. Yay! But, I understand what you're saying about getting my body used to the meds, I was scared is all. I have never taken meds that make me feel any different than what I normally feel. Thank you.

Lights1961: Hey, you get me, yippeee! I meant to make you all laugh in how I delivered my story 'cause well, I can't help it. I have always liked making folks laugh. It is not to take away from the seriousness of how I felt, but I am afraid I've got my mom's sense of humor. Thank you!

Rockindeano
: Just one hot mess, that's all I can say about you, man! What're you doing with all that shit in your system, hmm, huh, hmm?! No wonder you're so freaking tall and shit! You probably fucking mutated your damned body from taking all those drugs. I bet you were originally 5' 8" tall before you began tossing those "happy pills" down your throat, you dink! And you want ME to experiment, why so I can have that lurch-like effect like you?! Hey, there goes Lorrie, she took Deano's advice now she's nappy, mocha colored, big boobied AND a giant! Sure, you'd like that wouldn't you? Hey, step away from those fucking bottles and face the world like the freakishly tall giant you are you turd! :twisted: Thanks for your advice, my dear. :D

MG: *snort* :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks to all of you for your help, seriously. I am on the mend due to meds and nice folks! MBPL
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Postby yulog » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:46 am

7 Wishes wrote:Dr. Parfait - it seems to me your counter-diagnosis could be harmful.

Did I say radiculopathy was a diagnosis? No. I said it was "indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc" and then offered a couple of different treatment methods that are far more sensible than seeing a chiropractor.

And no, the symptoms of "severe muscle weakness or extreme pain" are not the exclusive domain of ruptured or bulging discs. Those parasthesias to which I referred are the symptoms that there already IS a neurological impairment.

I worked in health care in Administration for eight years and also have my LPN (although I haven't served in that capacity for almost ten years), so I do know what I am talking about.

The reason I happen to know a lot about this topic is because I had major back surgery for two ruptured discs in 1999, and my wife has a Harrington rod in her back because of severe scoliosis. It turned out the chiropractic referral my initial chiropractor gave me wound up almost paralyzing me. Almost a dozen of my training clients have had some form of back surgery (I specialize in training special populations) and share their stories with me all the time.

So, it IS better she consult with a neurosurgeon first. If she has an MRI and there is no reason to believe there are protruding or herniated discs, then she won't need surgical intervention. But if she were to continue down a path of the wrong kind of treatment or intervention when there was an underlying condition that could only be made worse by a non-surgical treatment plan, the consequences could be dire.

And finally - doctors make the wrong diagnosis all the time. My first TWO orthopaedists treated me as though I had a muscle pull in my thigh! The third finally decided to send me for an MRI and was shocked that I had ruptured discs. So getting as much information as possible is critical, and getting a second or third opinion is ALWAYS the best idea.




I guess if a doctor can make the wrong diagnosis all the time ,then an officeworker in a medical building/hospital and/or an LPN 10 years removed can probably come up with some real apocalyptic over the top diagnosis/advice. Especially since they dont have the education,experience or license to make that medical diagnosis.Image
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:05 am

The point of posting this is that it's POSSIBLE something serious is going on that often gets overlooked by many physicians.

It's better to exercise on the side of caution...and the consequences of NOT addressing it - if that is what it is - can be permanent paralysis of the lower body.

So, fuck off.
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Postby parfait » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:20 am

7 Wishes wrote:The point of posting this is that it's POSSIBLE something serious is going on that often gets overlooked by many physicians.

It's better to exercise on the side of caution...and the consequences of NOT addressing it - if that is what it is - can be permanent paralysis of the lower body.

So, fuck off.


I'll provide an example of your stupid logic:

You know, I got this really itchy rash on my lower back. Maybe it's cause I smeared terpentine on my ass, but that can't be the reason, cause that's kinda... You know... Probable.

It has to be Acute Bacterial Meningitis! Oh, my God! I'm gonna die!
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Postby Babyblue » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:38 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:if the bottle says take 1 tablet every 4 hours, I take 4 every hour. You may want to experiment :P


This is hysterical and the best advice I've seen in this thread, Dr. Deano!! :wink:
Doesn't your av have a stethoscope?!?!



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Postby artist4perry » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:27 pm

Lorrie, I live with that due to an injury from about 18 years ago. Off and on it acts up..........I feel for you lady! Pain starts in hip and shoots to my toes some days, then I can hardly walk. :( Hugs sweetie. I can understand what your going through. I rarely get drugs for it unless it gets where I cannot function. Hang in there...........not too many happy drugs O.K.? Otherwise your kitties are going to have you locked up....... :lol: :lol: Get well! :D

Maybe you can find this to be soothing.......mentally............

A hug from one woman to another.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs
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Postby WalkInMyShoes » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:32 pm

artist4perry wrote:Lorrie, I live with that due to an injury from about 18 years ago. Off and on it acts up..........I feel for you lady! Pain starts in hip and shoots to my toes some days, then I can hardly walk. :( Hugs sweetie. I can understand what your going through. I rarely get drugs for it unless it gets where I cannot function. Hang in there...........not too many happy drugs O.K.? Otherwise your kitties are going to have you locked up....... :lol: :lol: Get well! :D

Maybe you can find this to be soothing.......mentally............

A hug from one woman to another.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs


That's just amazing!
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:46 pm

parfait wrote:
I'll provide an example of your stupid logic:



Sorry, Pierre. That's not a valid comparison at all.

Go eat some Roquefort.
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:50 pm

WalkInMyShoes wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Lorrie, I live with that due to an injury from about 18 years ago. Off and on it acts up..........I feel for you lady! Pain starts in hip and shoots to my toes some days, then I can hardly walk. :( Hugs sweetie. I can understand what your going through. I rarely get drugs for it unless it gets where I cannot function. Hang in there...........not too many happy drugs O.K.? Otherwise your kitties are going to have you locked up....... :lol: :lol: Get well! :D

Maybe you can find this to be soothing.......mentally............

A hug from one woman to another.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs


That's just amazing!


That video soothes my soal................ :D
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Postby SherriBerry » Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:57 pm

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7 Wishes wrote:Dr. Parfait - it seems to me your counter-diagnosis could be harmful.

Did I say radiculopathy was a diagnosis? No. I said it was "indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc" and then offered a couple of different treatment methods that are far more sensible than seeing a chiropractor.

And no, the symptoms of "severe muscle weakness or extreme pain" are not the exclusive domain of ruptured or bulging discs. Those parasthesias to which I referred are the symptoms that there already IS a neurological impairment.

I worked in health care in Administration for eight years and also have my LPN (although I haven't served in that capacity for almost ten years), so I do know what I am talking about.

The reason I happen to know a lot about this topic is because I had major back surgery for two ruptured discs in 1999, and my wife has a Harrington rod in her back because of severe scoliosis. It turned out the chiropractic referral my initial chiropractor gave me wound up almost paralyzing me. Almost a dozen of my training clients have had some form of back surgery (I specialize in training special populations) and share their stories with me all the time.

So, it IS better she consult with a neurosurgeon first. If she has an MRI and there is no reason to believe there are protruding or herniated discs, then she won't need surgical intervention. But if she were to continue down a path of the wrong kind of treatment or intervention when there was an underlying condition that could only be made worse by a non-surgical treatment plan, the consequences could be dire.

And finally - doctors make the wrong diagnosis all the time. My first TWO orthopaedists treated me as though I had a muscle pull in my thigh! The third finally decided to send me for an MRI and was shocked that I had ruptured discs. So getting as much information as possible is critical, and getting a second or third opinion is ALWAYS the best idea.


And no, doctors doesn't make the wrong diagnosis all the time - that's bullshit. Just because you got a few bad experiences with doctors, doesn't make everyone incompetent.


Actually, doctors can be fallible and when it comes to back problems in particular, I would definitely get a second or third opinion. My dad had an excruciating ruptured disc and all of the symptoms of a ruptured disc - but there is a test doctors do (bending the leg every which way) and because my old school dad was not screaming in agony (but told them it was extremely painful), two different doctors told him he couldn't have a ruptured disc because bending the leg "didn't hurt enough". Dumbasses. When he had to go into the hospital for an illness and needed an MRI, his doctor managed to get his back scanned too. Guess what? Ruptured disc - he needed surgery or he would have had more nerve damage.

It never hurts to get a second opinion, especially before putting your back in the hands of a chiropractor!

By the way, I've been on Cyclobenzaprine and I know what you mean by only taking one. My doctor gave me that stuff years ago for my neck and upper back, and one pill before bedtime left me loopy the next morning! There is no way I could walk around and function taking that stuff during the day - I would be completely doped up!
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Postby parfait » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:44 pm

SherriBerry wrote:
parfait wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:Dr. Parfait - it seems to me your counter-diagnosis could be harmful.

Did I say radiculopathy was a diagnosis? No. I said it was "indicative of a ruptured or bulging disc" and then offered a couple of different treatment methods that are far more sensible than seeing a chiropractor.

And no, the symptoms of "severe muscle weakness or extreme pain" are not the exclusive domain of ruptured or bulging discs. Those parasthesias to which I referred are the symptoms that there already IS a neurological impairment.

I worked in health care in Administration for eight years and also have my LPN (although I haven't served in that capacity for almost ten years), so I do know what I am talking about.

The reason I happen to know a lot about this topic is because I had major back surgery for two ruptured discs in 1999, and my wife has a Harrington rod in her back because of severe scoliosis. It turned out the chiropractic referral my initial chiropractor gave me wound up almost paralyzing me. Almost a dozen of my training clients have had some form of back surgery (I specialize in training special populations) and share their stories with me all the time.

So, it IS better she consult with a neurosurgeon first. If she has an MRI and there is no reason to believe there are protruding or herniated discs, then she won't need surgical intervention. But if she were to continue down a path of the wrong kind of treatment or intervention when there was an underlying condition that could only be made worse by a non-surgical treatment plan, the consequences could be dire.

And finally - doctors make the wrong diagnosis all the time. My first TWO orthopaedists treated me as though I had a muscle pull in my thigh! The third finally decided to send me for an MRI and was shocked that I had ruptured discs. So getting as much information as possible is critical, and getting a second or third opinion is ALWAYS the best idea.


And no, doctors doesn't make the wrong diagnosis all the time - that's bullshit. Just because you got a few bad experiences with doctors, doesn't make everyone incompetent.


Actually, doctors can be fallible and when it comes to back problems in particular, I would definitely get a second or third opinion. My dad had an excruciating ruptured disc and all of the symptoms of a ruptured disc - but there is a test doctors do (bending the leg every which way) and because my old school dad was not screaming in agony (but told them it was extremely painful), two different doctors told him he couldn't have a ruptured disc because bending the leg "didn't hurt enough". Dumbasses. When he had to go into the hospital for an illness and needed an MRI, his doctor managed to get his back scanned too. Guess what? Ruptured disc - he needed surgery or he would have had more nerve damage.

It never hurts to get a second opinion, especially before putting your back in the hands of a chiropractor!

By the way, I've been on Cyclobenzaprine and I know what you mean by only taking one. My doctor gave me that stuff years ago for my neck and upper back, and one pill before bedtime left me loopy the next morning! There is no way I could walk around and function taking that stuff during the day - I would be completely doped up!


For sure doctors can be fallible, I didn't say otherwise. Just note that pain is a real bitch, cause it differs a lot from person to person. But sure, he could do a MRI and a EMG of Lorrie's lumbal and lower back, but he didn't do it cause the symptoms wasn't present and it's not probable at all. If every doctor would always expect the worst, the health insurance would quadruple. Example:

Jenny is 14 and comes to the doctor with a lot of pain in her foot. She plays soccer, and often gets into pretty hard tackles with other soccer players. What would the doctor do? He wouldn't suspect Freiberg's Disease (necrosis of the bones in the ball of the foot), why? Cause it's just not probable! He'd maybe give her a MRI and (I'm pretty sure Freiberg's wouldn't always show up on a MRI) and tell her to stay away from soccer for a while.

Either way, my point was that one should never ever listen to online super doctors, who deal out diagnoses without even laying a eye on, in this example; Lorrie's lower back - cause that's retarded! Mr. Doolittle here (7 Wishes) doesn't have the license, experience or education to do so. :wink:
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:20 am

OK, Pierre. Enough already. This is something I do know a lot about, and I'm trying to help someone I don't know.

Really, just put a cork in it, you cheese-eating surrender monkey.
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Postby parfait » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:35 am

7 Wishes wrote:OK, Pierre. Enough already. This is something I do know a lot about, and I'm trying to help someone I don't know.

Really, just put a cork in it, you cheese-eating surrender monkey.


So you don't know her, you haven't seen her lower back, you don't have the required education or license and you're a nurse with no experience but you've worked in the same building with doctors! Hmmm... Hmmm... I guess you got me on this one. Damnit!

But I got to go, man. I promised my grandmother to help her repair her car. I'm not a mechanic, and I've never seen what's wrong with the car, but a guy in my class was once a mechanic and I've watched TV with him once. So I got like, you know; experience. Who needs mechanics! :roll:
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:37 am

WTF is your problem? Good Lord! If she (God forbid) DOES have some neurological impairment or injury that might otherwise have gone undiagnosed, would it be better?

You are a curmudgeon and an asshole to boot. Go lay down your arms somewhere else.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:56 am

You have to admit Parfait, Surrender Monkey is pretty good smack being laid down by 7.
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Postby yulog » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:48 am

parfait wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:OK, Pierre. Enough already. This is something I do know a lot about, and I'm trying to help someone I don't know.

Really, just put a cork in it, you cheese-eating surrender monkey.


So you don't know her, you haven't seen her lower back, you don't have the required education or license and you're a nurse with no experience but you've worked in the same building with doctors! Hmmm... Hmmm... I guess you got me on this one. Damnit!

But I got to go, man. I promised my grandmother to help her repair her car. I'm not a mechanic, and I've never seen what's wrong with the car, but a guy in my class was once a mechanic and I've watched TV with him once. So I got like, you know; experience. Who needs mechanics! :roll:



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