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This is a response from the Hall in regards to Journey, copied from the Journey music page on facebook.

Thanks for your comments. We receive literally thousands of emails every year like yours about hundreds of different artists. Consequently, part of this communication is a standard response as to how the induction process works. Having said that, let’s get one thing straight. The only reason that Journey has not been inducted is that they did not get enough votes to date to make the final ballot. OR, on making the ballot, they did not get enough votes. There are no conspiracies and no one has veto power.

Please remember the following: Everyone personalizes everything about rock and roll when they are brought into the circle of discussion. This is another way of saying that many fans believe that their opinion is uniquely compelling and definitive. Without metrics (see below), the definition of "rock and roll," who is or was important, and who should be inducted is incredibly subjective.

As a result, our Nominating and Voting Committees are replete with Inductees (in fact, they are the largest bloc of voters). Someone has to decide, so we built our Voting Committee around the most qualified group possible: the living Inductees, which number around 400 at this time. Thus, folks like Bruce, Metallica, Clapton, Ozzy, Prince and the others are the difference makers. You may disagree, but being an Inductee makes a pretty good case for being the ones who choose.

With that overview, here’s how the process works. Nomination and induction into the Hall of Fame is not about popularity, records sales, which label the group is on, or anything other than the process below. Unlike baseball, football, basketball or ockey, statistics are not relevant. Rather, our focus is on impact, influence, and innovation. Like it or not, the evaluation of these factors is highly subjective and can only be answered by the votes of our nominators and voters. In addition, even if an artist meets the influence/impact/innovation test, it doesn’t mean that they get inducted automatically. They still need to get the support of both Committees.

The entire nomination and induction process is coordinated by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation in New York City. Artists can be inducted in four categories: Performer, Early Influence, Non-Performer and Side-Men. The latter three are evaluated and decided by separate committees for each category.

Unlike the other three categories, the selection of Performers is a two-step process. The only formal criteria for the performance category is that an artist has to have had their first recording 25 years ago under the name that is nominated.


The formal selection of Performers begins with a Nominating Committee consisting of a diverse panel of living inductees, journalists, historians, noted musicians, industry heads, etc. In turn, those nominated are sent to a Voting Committee of about 600 people (all living inductees, journalists, historians, music industry management, musicians, etc.) around the world who vote. That said, candidates are reviewed and discussed relative to their impact, innovation and influence on this music that we broadly define as rock and roll. Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. Those receiving the highest number of votes and more than 50% of the votes cast are inducted into the Hall. Usually, this means five to seven new performing members each year.


Having said all this, I believe that all worthy candidates will be inducted, just not always when they or their fans deem timely. This phenomenon is not unique to us. The sports halls of fame have had many great stars that do not get inducted in their early years of eligibility or for many years to come.


Peace & Soul,

Rock & Roll!


Terry Stewart

President

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum

Since Bruce was the one who selected DSB as the final number for Sting's Rain Forest charity show, maybe we can assume that is at least one potential vote for Journey.

I do not think Journey or Styx will ever be in the HOF.And that really bites

Thanks for posting this for all of us.

I did not know all of this ...he sure makes it sound fair!!
Thanks, G~boy!!

PS~Great AV!!!

i love love Madonna, but she was pop and a lot more lip-syncing by her in the earlier days. Don't get that over real rock n' roll bands.

Michigan Girl wrote:PS~Great AV!!!

He looks like the white Randy Jackson.

Michigan Girl wrote:I did not know all of this ...he sure makes it sound fair!!

However he "makes it sound," just remember, the guy's essentially a politician for the Rock Hall. The people voting are the same clowns who totally closed their minds to any type of AOR and most progressive rock. Small wonder they don't get "enough votes" then, huh?

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:PS~Great AV!!!

He looks like the white Randy Jackson.

I saw a video with RJ and his afro-mohawk and tight black spandex pants being from Baton Rouge, but sounding like he's a Valley boy!! But, naw, that's not Don!

styx will go in before journey folks. Just my two cents.

MBPL wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:PS~Great AV!!!

He looks like the white Randy Jackson.

I saw a video with RJ and his afro-mohawk and tight black spandex pants being from Baton Rouge, but sounding like he's a Valley boy!! But, naw, that's not Don!

I was just playin', L. Don is good peeps.

A vast majority of the panel is still comprised of journalists and elitists who will, to this day, still try to insist Jim Morrison was a brilliant poet and Kurt Cobain was John Lennon's equal - and that "corporate rock" artists have no talent. That is a huge factor.

"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. "

Delivered without a shred of irony.

Speaking about a hall of "fame."

That's beautiful.

DrFU wrote:"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. "

Delivered without a shred of irony.

Speaking about a hall of "fame."

That's beautiful.

So what was Madonna voted in for? Her shock value videos or her great contribution to rock music? LOL. "Like a Virgin." Don't get me wrong, I love, love, love Madonna and own much of her POP music, but that was a slap in the face to great bands that have been overlooked for the RRHOF.

Jana wrote:

DrFU wrote:"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. "

Delivered without a shred of irony.

Speaking about a hall of "fame."

That's beautiful.

So what was Madonna voted in for? Her shock value videos or her great contribution to rock music? LOL. "Like a Virgin." Don't get me wrong, I love, love, love Madonna and own much of her POP music, but that was a slap in the face to great bands that have been overlooked for the RRHOF.

She probably blew a couple of the members of the voting board. So does online petition signing get them on the ballot?
If they were ever got get in, who goes in? I can't see AP getting in with that short tenure, among other things.

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:PS~Great AV!!!

He looks like the white Randy Jackson.

If I would have remembered to buy some hair gel at the 99¢ Store the other day, you would have been spot on (minus the spandex, of course)

Gunbot wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:PS~Great AV!!!

He looks like the white Randy Jackson.

If I would have remembered to buy some hair gel at the 99¢ Store the other day, you would have been spot on (minus the spandex, of course)

I can't see you holding a pink polkadot guitar.

The fact that they have a preconceived/canned response denouncing that the selection process is political.....suggests that it is very much so!





You know, I have an idea

Perhaps some of the race-baiters here can try a racism angle on the hall....maybe suggesting that the RRHOF powers-that-be at the hall are anti-filipino or some equally incendiary accusation, designed to cast shame on the hall and it's decision makers. Then, you've got the moral upper hand. Couple that with all of the other story angles already played by Journey, Assoff and others.....Journey is a fucking shoe-in!

Seriously...you can't lose!

strangegrey wrote:The fact that they have a preconceived/canned response denouncing that the selection process is political.....suggests that it is very much so!





You know, I have an idea

Perhaps some of the race-baiters here can try a racism angle on the hall....maybe suggesting that the RRHOF powers-that-be at the hall are anti-filipino or some equally incendiary accusation, designed to cast shame on the hall and it's decision makers. Then, you've got the moral upper hand. Couple that with all of the other story angles already played by Journey, Assoff and others.....Journey is a fucking shoe-in!

Seriously...you can't lose!

Dude, can you imagine how many emails they have gotten in halting English asking for Journey's induction? And with a reasoning that Arnel helped the band go Platinum with Revelation, as if that is all that is needed to qualify. No mention of any other band members, only Pineda. I guarantee they've got hundreds of these requests.

Gunbot wrote:

strangegrey wrote:The fact that they have a preconceived/canned response denouncing that the selection process is political.....suggests that it is very much so!





You know, I have an idea

Perhaps some of the race-baiters here can try a racism angle on the hall....maybe suggesting that the RRHOF powers-that-be at the hall are anti-filipino or some equally incendiary accusation, designed to cast shame on the hall and it's decision makers. Then, you've got the moral upper hand. Couple that with all of the other story angles already played by Journey, Assoff and others.....Journey is a fucking shoe-in!

Seriously...you can't lose!

Dude, can you imagine how many emails they have gotten in halting English asking for Journey's induction? And with a reasoning that Arnel helped the band go Platinum with Revelation, as if that is all that is needed to qualify. No mention of any other band members, only Pineda. I guarantee they've got hundreds of these requests.

You know, I dont doubt that...

but did they ever take it to the step of actually accusing the hall of being racist?

Why is it so easy for them to cast that stone here....and label people that to achieve their own ends...

and not do it to the hall.


There's enough race-baiting racists here to pull it off......come on, arneliots....I have faith in you!

strangegrey wrote:
There's enough race-baiting racists here to pull it off......come on, arneliots....I have faith in you!

This is all bullshit, Frank. Perhaps if you meet some of Arnel's fans you'll see that you're only accusing "screen names" of being "race baiters" and really haven't a leg to stand on. I have met hundreds of actual people (Pinoys), discussed Journey and Arnel at length, and can tell you that your assertions are way off base and without merit. Also, if I remember correctly, the Time Magazine article (I think it was Time) mentioned a certain ex-poster here as receiving death threats. It may be one person behind all, or probably the vast majority, of said "race baiting.

Saint John wrote:

strangegrey wrote:
There's enough race-baiting racists here to pull it off......come on, arneliots....I have faith in you!

This is all bullshit, Frank. Perhaps if you meet some of Arnel's fans you'll see that you're only accusing "screen names" of being "race baiters" and really haven't a leg to stand on. I have met hundreds of actual people (Pinoys), discussed Journey and Arnel at length, and can tell you that your assertions are way off base and without merit. Also, if I remember correctly, the Time Magazine article (I think it was Time) mentioned a certain ex-poster here as receiving death threats. It may be one person behind all, or probably the vast majority, of said "race baiting.

Ah, don't take away his Arneliot race-baiting shtick with common sense.

7 Wishes wrote:A vast majority of the panel is still comprised of journalists and elitists who will, to this day, still try to insist Jim Morrison was a brilliant poet and Kurt Cobain was John Lennon's equal - and that "corporate rock" artists have no talent. That is a huge factor.

You're right on the money, 7. AND- the idea that one person doesn't have influence is pure bullshit, I don't care WHAT this apologist says. Dave Marsh and Jann Weiner have a HELL of alot of influence, and if it weren't for both of them KISS (for instance) would've been in long ago. Marsh was openly quoted as saying "Kiss is a shitty band and I'm gonna do everything I can to keep them out of the rock hall". And Weiner's distaste of these "corporate" rock bands is well chronicled.
It's all BS....

Saint John wrote:

strangegrey wrote:
There's enough race-baiting racists here to pull it off......come on, arneliots....I have faith in you!

This is all bullshit, Frank. Perhaps if you meet some of Arnel's fans you'll see that you're only accusing "screen names" of being "race baiters" and really haven't a leg to stand on. I have met hundreds of actual people (Pinoys), discussed Journey and Arnel at length, and can tell you that your assertions are way off base and without merit. Also, if I remember correctly, the Time Magazine article (I think it was Time) mentioned a certain ex-poster here as receiving death threats. It may be one person behind all, or probably the vast majority, of said "race baiting.

Oh bite me dan....you wanna call call bullshit on something, try yourself first.

You were here a few years ago. You watched it go down. Now that you met some fans, it all didn't happen?
Seriously....to pin it on one person is a fucking stretch and you know it.
There was a whole fucking contingent of Arneliots who were going to play the race-card at the drop of a hat....and did so. Sorry, face it.




Now having said all of that, even you should have been able to tell I was throwing down with a healthy bit of sarcasm. So shut the fuck up!

7 Wishes wrote:A vast majority of the panel is still comprised of journalists and elitists who will, to this day, still try to insist Jim Morrison was a brilliant poet and Kurt Cobain was John Lennon's equal - and that "corporate rock" artists have no talent. That is a huge factor.

Morrison WAS a great poet.

Cobain was in no way Lennon's "equal"...not even close. He was, however, brilliant in his own right.

steveo777 wrote:

Jana wrote:

DrFU wrote:"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. "

Delivered without a shred of irony.

Speaking about a hall of "fame."

That's beautiful.

So what was Madonna voted in for? Her shock value videos or her great contribution to rock music? LOL. "Like a Virgin." Don't get me wrong, I love, love, love Madonna and own much of her POP music, but that was a slap in the face to great bands that have been overlooked for the RRHOF.

She probably blew a couple of the members of the voting board. So does online petition signing get them on the ballot?
If they were ever got get in, who goes in? I can't see AP getting in with that short tenure, among other things.

AP has NOTHING to do with Journey if they ever get in. Let's get that straight right now. He may be a good voice but, he is as "insignificant" as a pimple on HH's butt to the historical success of the band.

There is only ONE singer of significance when talking Journey.

Tomulator wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Jana wrote:

DrFU wrote:"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. "

Delivered without a shred of irony.

Speaking about a hall of "fame."

That's beautiful.

So what was Madonna voted in for? Her shock value videos or her great contribution to rock music? LOL. "Like a Virgin." Don't get me wrong, I love, love, love Madonna and own much of her POP music, but that was a slap in the face to great bands that have been overlooked for the RRHOF.

She probably blew a couple of the members of the voting board. So does online petition signing get them on the ballot?
If they were ever got get in, who goes in? I can't see AP getting in with that short tenure, among other things.

AP has NOTHING to do with Journey if they ever get in. Let's get that straight right now. He may be a good voice but, he is as "insignificant" as a pimple on HH's butt to the historical success of the band.

There is only ONE singer of significance when talking Journey.

I agree.

I wonder how Steve Perry will react to Gregg Rolie being inducted TWICE!

Ligzig wrote:I wonder how Steve Perry will react to Gregg Rolie being inducted TWICE!

Why would it be a big deal to him?
Many artists get in twice from having success with other bands/projects, or having solo careers after their band days.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Ligzig wrote:I wonder how Steve Perry will react to Gregg Rolie being inducted TWICE!

Why would it be a big deal to him?
Many artists get in twice from having success with other bands/projects, or having solo careers after their band days.

Because he sits at home in his velvet robe with the little golden "P" stitched over one side, stroking his cat, waiting in anticipation for this very moment?

That's when he will throw his cat to the ceiling, raise his fists in the air and cackle manically as the sound of thunder mysteriously appears out of nowhere.

...really I don't know, I just wanted to bust that guys chops.

Tomulator wrote:
AP has NOTHING to do with Journey if they ever get in. Let's get that straight right now. He may be a good voice but, he is as "insignificant" as a pimple on HH's butt to the historical success of the band.

There is only ONE singer of significance when talking Journey.

lol ...very true, also very funny!!
He is a good voice, but facts are facts ...

Ligzig wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Ligzig wrote:I wonder how Steve Perry will react to Gregg Rolie being inducted TWICE!

Why would it be a big deal to him?
Many artists get in twice from having success with other bands/projects, or having solo careers after their band days.

Because he sits at home in his velvet robe with the little golden "P" stitched over one side, stroking his cat, waiting in anticipation for this very moment?

Is that what he calls it?
I swear I read in Tiger Beat back in the day that he called it "whapping the weasel", but I'll take your word on it.