Police have 'number of concerns' about officer's punch

[Frontiers65]

What is your opinion? Mine is he could of used pepper spray or a tazer. The punch was way out of line to a 17 year old girl.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/9641 ... #idc-cover

See the video below the story.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Well maybe this will teach the little punks to follow the rules and obey the police.

[JH'sTXfan]

How could he know how old she was, that woman was bigger than he was. She wanted to fight, she got a fight.

[Rip Rokken]

I don't care what it looked like to onlookers or anyone else, those girls were nothing but loudmouthed idiots who resisted arrest and one of them got hit for it. They were both on him at once! He wasn't the only one who was using his training. At 17, she's already been trained to think she can do whatever she want without consequence, and that it's ok to resist any racist police officer that might take issue with it. Dude had at least 2 people videoing him. It has to be hard these days being a cop.

[Glenn]

I don't care what it looked like to onlookers or anyone else, those girls were nothing but loudmouthed idiots who resisted arrest and one of them got hit for it. They were both on him at once! He wasn't the only one who was using his training. At 17, she's already been trained to think she can do whatever she want without consequence, and that it's ok to resist any racist police officer that might take issue with it. Dude had at least 2 people videoing him. It has to be hard these days being a cop.

+1

[Suzanne]

I think he could have taken her down without punching her. I'm not bashing the cop (my dad is a retired cop) and I'm not taking the bitch's side. I'm on the cop's side. He could have done anything else besides punch her square in the face no matter what her age is. Just my opinion. Don't the cops there carry pepper spray?

[Rip Rokken]

I think he could have taken her down without punching her. I'm not bashing the cop (my dad is a retired cop) and I'm not taking the bitch's side. I'm on the cop's side. He could have done anything else besides punch her square in the face no matter what her age is. Just my opinion. Don't the cops there carry pepper spray?

I know punching her seemed especially harsh, but if he'd gotten rough with her in any way, pepper-sprayed or tazed her, they'd be bitching about it. They want the confrontation, had to know they were being filmed at some point, and they probably wouldn't mind a shot at being the next Rodney King and capitalizing on that. I'm not judging them based on race by any means. Just by behavior.

[Michigan Girl]

I don't care what it looked like to onlookers or anyone else, those girls were nothing but loudmouthed idiots who resisted arrest and one of them got hit for it. They were both on him at once! He wasn't the only one who was using his training. At 17, she's already been trained to think she can do whatever she want without consequence, and that it's ok to resist any racist police officer that might take issue with it. Dude had at least 2 people videoing him. It has to be hard these days being a cop.

+1

Absolutely ...waaa waaa waaa!!

[Arianddu]

I think he could have taken her down without punching her. I'm not bashing the cop (my dad is a retired cop) and I'm not taking the bitch's side. I'm on the cop's side. He could have done anything else besides punch her square in the face no matter what her age is. Just my opinion. Don't the cops there carry pepper spray?

I know punching her seemed especially harsh, but if he'd gotten rough with her in any way, pepper-sprayed or tazed her, they'd be bitching about it. They want the confrontation, had to know they were being filmed at some point, and they probably wouldn't mind a shot at being the next Rodney King and capitalizing on that. I'm not judging them based on race by any means. Just by behavior.

I agree that they were right out of line, but it's hard to judge how well he handled the situation because the first half of the confrontation is missing. The moment you start manhandling someone, emotions go right up and logic goes out the window. I'd guess that there had to be a better way of handling a bunch of loud mouth kids you've called over for jay walking than manhandling and cuffing one of them. To be honest, if one of my friends was being bodily pushed around while she was screaming, and I thought we had done nothing wrong and didn't know why suddenly this cop is trying to cuff her, I'd be in there trying to make the cop let go too, simply because instinct kicks in and logic goes out the window. You are hurting my friend, she is screaming, I have to help make you stop. Dumb, true, but there's no logic to it, it's purely reactional.

The question is, which the video can't answer, what did the cop do before this; was it calm, rational, explaining what was going on and they just rucked up, or was it a young cop throwing his weight around like a bully, and not communicating the issue with them before reacting to the verbal crap? It makes a difference to how 'reasonable' their response is.

Kind of like watching a person briskly walking out of a mall with a screaming kid under their arm - is it a kidnapping, or is it a parent dealing with a full blown tantrum? Unless you saw the bit before, you just can't make the call.

[Saint John]

There is, and has been for some time, a huge respect issue between many young blacks and police officers. I've seen it a million times. They're confrontational, angry, combative and think everything is police brutality. This stupid bitch should have listened, put her hands behind her back and let the officer cuff her. Then she should have pleaded her case.

By resisting arrest everything spiraled way out of control and created a very dangerous situation for all involved. Police officers are one-armed when a struggle ensues as they have to protect assailants from grabbing their weapons. I can't imagine anyone intervening when a police officer is simply trying to handcuff someone. The skank that was (rightfully) punched in the face should be charged with obstruction of justice and not receive one fucking penny.

And fuck the Urban League Of Seattle and their bullshit statement. This was a clear cut case of punk kids resisting arrest and obstructing justice. That officer had no choice but to do what he felt was the quickest way to regain what little control he had on the situation. His actions were 100% appropriate and he shouldn't be disciplined in any way. If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

[7 Wishes]

The fact that he was going to arrest her for jaywalking leads me to believe he didn't need to punch her to restrain her properly. That was my interpretation after watching the video. She's obviously got anger moanagement issues, but so does he. If some asshole cop tried to ARREST me for walking across the street I'd be very pissed off, although I'm not stupid enough to do anything other than acquiesce and answer every question with "sir".

[StevePerryHair]

Cops aren't trained to punch people in the face. Though I know some who would like to often But that girl was resisting and she was fighting him and he had his adreniline going. The only thought in his mind was trying to get her under control. How would ANYONE expect pepper spray to be used in that situation?? She was on top of him clawing at him. If he used that spray, it would have affected him the same way as her and how would he handcuff her then? That spray does not stay contained to one person. And the taser thing. There has to be distance between them for that too. He never even had time to reach for a taser without stepping away, and it seems to me she was on him as much as he was on her trying to hancuff her.

I mean I won't judge the way he chose to handcuff her. I wasn't there. They do learn certain holds and tactics that make people fall to their knees without having to punch them in the face. In the heat of a situation though, sometimes they may not have the reaction time they need to act on it the way they were trained.

But who in their right mind acts that way when they are being arrested? I am TIRED of loud mouth stupid young people, especially mouthy bitchy women, who think they are above the law and can act anyway they want. That's my 2 cents

[Ehwmatt]

There is, and has been for some time, a huge respect issue between many young blacks and police officers. I've seen it a million times. They're confrontational, angry, combative and think everything is police brutality. This stupid bitch should have listened, put her hands behind her back and let the officer cuff her. Then she should have pleaded her case.

By resisting arrest everything spiraled way out of control and created a very dangerous situation for all involved. Police officers are one-armed when a struggle ensues as they have to protect assailants from grabbing their weapons. I can't imagine anyone intervening when a police officer is simply trying to handcuff someone. The skank that was (rightfully) punched in the face should be charged with obstruction of justice and not receive one fucking penny.

And fuck the Urban League Of Seattle and their bullshit statement. This was a clear cut case of punk kids resisting arrest and obstructing justice. That officer had no choice but to do what he felt was the quickest way to regain what little control he had on the situation. His actions were 100% appropriate and he shouldn't be disciplined in any way. If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

Yup, spot on. I've had cops act like total assholes to me (and the worst law I've ever broken was speeding), totally unwarranted before, and yeah, it pisses you off, but you fuckin suck it up and just let them play their shtick out.

[JH'sTXfan]

I don't care what it looked like to onlookers or anyone else, those girls were nothing but loudmouthed idiots who resisted arrest and one of them got hit for it. They were both on him at once! He wasn't the only one who was using his training. At 17, she's already been trained to think she can do whatever she want without consequence, and that it's ok to resist any racist police officer that might take issue with it. Dude had at least 2 people videoing him. It has to be hard these days being a cop.

+1

Absolutely ...waaa waaa waaa!!

You nailed it there. Whine and pull the victim card. It's ridiculous how people accept NO responsibility for their actions.

[Michigan Girl]

If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

Lol ...I thought this ...I did!!

[JH'sTXfan]

If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

Lol ...I thought this ...I did!!

Slammed to the ground with a knee in the back usually does the trick. He was trying to take it easy on her though because she was mainly just twisting. cussing and crying. The other girl was very aggressive, and she got punched for it.

[StevePerryHair]

If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

Lol ...I thought this ...I did!!

Really! I mean I saw one of our female officers slam a large man taller than her onto the ground to handcuff him in about 2 seconds in our mall once. I mean she's a tall girl and scares the crap out of me and could probably kick any of the male officers asses, but still!!!!

It is hard for them if it's unexpected though. There is a small window of opportunity to do it quickly when a person is going to resist and he surpassed that window very quickly.

[Saint John]

There is, and has been for some time, a huge respect issue between many young blacks and police officers. I've seen it a million times. They're confrontational, angry, combative and think everything is police brutality. This stupid bitch should have listened, put her hands behind her back and let the officer cuff her. Then she should have pleaded her case.

By resisting arrest everything spiraled way out of control and created a very dangerous situation for all involved. Police officers are one-armed when a struggle ensues as they have to protect assailants from grabbing their weapons. I can't imagine anyone intervening when a police officer is simply trying to handcuff someone. The skank that was (rightfully) punched in the face should be charged with obstruction of justice and not receive one fucking penny.

And fuck the Urban League Of Seattle and their bullshit statement. This was a clear cut case of punk kids resisting arrest and obstructing justice. That officer had no choice but to do what he felt was the quickest way to regain what little control he had on the situation. His actions were 100% appropriate and he shouldn't be disciplined in any way. If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

Yup, spot on. I've had cops act like total assholes to me (and the worst law I've ever broken was speeding), totally unwarranted before, and yeah, it pisses you off, but you fuckin suck it up and just let them play their shtick out.

Also, if I'm understanding what actually happened, he simply wanted them to come over to the police car. I have a feeling that when she was told this that she became a totally obnoxious and ignorant fool and he decided to handcuff her. I bet if they would have done as they were asked they would have recieved a lame speech and been sent on their way ... incident free. Instead, mark my words, there will be boycotts, marches and some carpet-bagging, unemployed, black civil rights buffoon will slither in and get many of the local blacks in an uproar ... over 2 kids being complete fucking punks. Hey, man, I've been there. I acted like an asshole to a cop in Virginia in 2007 and shamefully accepted my punishment without saying a word when the bracelets came out.

[JH'sTXfan]

Also, if I'm understanding what actually happened, he simply wanted them to come over to the police car. I have a feeling that when she was told this that she became a totally obnoxious and ignorant fool and he decided to handcuff her. I bet if they would have done as they were asked they would have recieved a lame speech and been sent on their way ... incident free. Instead, mark my words, there will be boycotts, marches and some carpet-bagging, unemployed, black civil rights buffoon will slither in and get many of the local blacks in an uproar ... over 2 kids being complete fucking punks. Hey, man, I've been there. I acted like an asshole to a cop in Virginia in 2007 and shamefully accepted my punishment without saying a word when the bracelets came out.

You're right, and that's the part that never gets filmed. They could've walked away from the whole thing with a little verbal warning.

[Michigan Girl]

If anything, he needs to learn how to get a teenage girl handcuffed in under 3 minutes. Jesus, that was fucking sad.

Lol ...I thought this ...I did!!

Really! I mean I saw one of our female officers slam a large man taller than her onto the ground to handcuff him in about 2 seconds in our mall once. I mean she's a tall girl and scares the crap out of me and could probably kick any of the male officers asses, but still!!!!

It is hard for them if it's unexpected though. There is a small window of opportunity to do it quickly when a person is going to resist and he surpassed that window very quickly.

I understand what you are saying and I know things are easier said than done ...it just looked
incredibly funny. He punches the larger of the two girls in the face *wham* she forgets all about her friend and goes
off to the side moaning and groaning ...and then it seems like it takes forever for him to get
the smaller girl in cuffs. Meanwhile, the larger girl has already gathered all of her witnesses, hired an attorney~Pro Bono, and has
a court date set!!!

[KDOUBLEU]

I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.

[Ehwmatt]

I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.

Good, the bitch probably deserved it

[T-Bone]

How long until the Jackson/Sharpton duo flip this into a race issue?

[7 Wishes]

The Rev has already gotten his fat fingers into this pie, I guarantee it.

[RossValoryRocks]

How long until the Jackson/Sharpton duo flip this into a race issue?

In less time than it took you to write the sentence.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Unfortunately she'll probably get a nice little settlement out of it. But she'll be broke in no time and about 200 pounds heavier from all the fast food that she buys with the money. But by they she may be able to sue the fast food restaurant chains for making her fat.....because they made the food readily available.

[StevePerryHair]

I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.

Yep. I think it's easy for people to judge that "well the cop could have been an asshole like they've been to me but..." but everyone really needs to look at this video and realize that these types of situations, especially with young people, are not uncommon at all. They don't normally escalate to this sort of level, but could easily. Cops deal with this stuff day in and day out depending on where they live of course. How happy and friendly can you expect a cop to be when he pulls you over and doesn't know what he's getting on the other side of that window.

That being said, my husband's personal goal as a cop has always been to get a thank you for every ticket he writes. Does he get one EVERY time, hell no! But you'd be surprised how many times he does It's all in his delivery, how he may give them the over $100 seatbelt ticket, instead of the $300 speeding ticket. It's the way he words the "break" he's giving them. Plus he is generally a friendly good natured person anyway. Not every cop starts off with an attitude. Obviously it depends on personality.

When he has taught in the academy he has used the line from the movie Roadhouse. He actually will play the clip from the movie to keep the class from snoozing Here, I found it online:

James Dalton: Don't worry about it; all you have to do is follow 3 simple rules: One, never underestimate your opponent..expect the unexpected; Two, take it outside, never start anything inside the bar unless it's absolutley necessary; and Three...be nice.
Fat bouncer: Come on!!
James Dalton: If somebody gets in your face and calls you a c**ksucker I want you to be nice
Fat Bouncer: Ok
James Dalton: Ask him to walk, be nice, if he won't walk, walk him, but be nice, If you can't walk him, one of the others will help you and you will both be nice...I want you to remember, that it's the job, it's nothing personal.
Bouncer Steve: Being called a c**ksucker isn't personal?
James Dalton: No, it's two nouns combined to elicit a prescribed response
Bouncer Steve: What if somebody calls my Mama a whore?
James Dalton: Is she?

James Dalton: I want you to be nice.. until it's time..to not be nice


And I have no doubt there are times he's NOT nice.

[Ehwmatt]

I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.

Yep. I think it's easy for people to judge that "well the cop could have been an asshole like they've been to me but..." but everyone really needs to look at this video and realize that these types of situations, especially with young people, are not uncommon at all. They don't normally escalate to this sort of level, but could easily. Cops deal with this stuff day in and day out depending on where they live of course. How happy and friendly can you expect a cop to be when he pulls you over and doesn't know what he's getting on the other side of that window.

That being said, my husband's personal goal as a cop has always been to get a thank you for every ticket he writes. Does he get one EVERY time, hell no! But you'd be surprised how many times he does It's all in his delivery, how he may give them the over $100 seatbelt ticket, instead of the $300 speeding ticket. It's the way he words the "break" he's giving them. Plus he is generally a friendly good natured person anyway. Not every cop starts off with an attitude. Obviously it depends on personality.

Here's my take Lynn:

I totally understand that cops never know what lies around the corner for them, even for a routine traffic stop. So, the times I've gotten pulled over (not often... I drive like a grandma these days ) I always make sure I pull over on a safe part of the road, keep my hands on the top of the wheel, roll the window down only when he gets to the car, and turn the dome lights on if it's dark(er) out. I expect a little respect back when that happens. I was going 10 MPH over the limit, not running over kids in the street. Pisses me off when I get 'tude back. The two tickets I've gotten for speeding have both been inadvertent speeding for ~15 MPH over (e.g. just not really paying attention... wasn't flying around at 100 MPH, weaving and cutting people off), so it's ont like I ever endangered any one. Only other thing I've gotten pulled over for is shit like having a headlight out. Unfortunately, I've gotten attitude more often than not despite being respectful about everything.

I still defend cops as a whole, but it's unfortunate the dickheads among them have to ruin public perception

[StevePerryHair]

I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.

Yep. I think it's easy for people to judge that "well the cop could have been an asshole like they've been to me but..." but everyone really needs to look at this video and realize that these types of situations, especially with young people, are not uncommon at all. They don't normally escalate to this sort of level, but could easily. Cops deal with this stuff day in and day out depending on where they live of course. How happy and friendly can you expect a cop to be when he pulls you over and doesn't know what he's getting on the other side of that window.

That being said, my husband's personal goal as a cop has always been to get a thank you for every ticket he writes. Does he get one EVERY time, hell no! But you'd be surprised how many times he does It's all in his delivery, how he may give them the over $100 seatbelt ticket, instead of the $300 speeding ticket. It's the way he words the "break" he's giving them. Plus he is generally a friendly good natured person anyway. Not every cop starts off with an attitude. Obviously it depends on personality.

Here's my take Lynn:

I totally understand that cops never know what lies around the corner for them, even for a routine traffic stop. So, the times I've gotten pulled over (not often... I drive like a grandma these days ) I always make sure I pull over on a safe part of the road, keep my hands on the top of the wheel, roll the window down only when he gets to the car, and turn the dome lights on if it's dark(er) out. I expect a little respect back when that happens. I was going 10 MPH over the limit, not running over kids in the street. Pisses me off when I get 'tude back. The two tickets I've gotten for speeding have both been inadvertent speeding for ~15 MPH over (e.g. just not really paying attention... wasn't flying around at 100 MPH, weaving and cutting people off), so it's ont like I ever endangered any one. Only other thing I've gotten pulled over for is shit like having a headlight out. Unfortunately, I've gotten attitude more often than not despite being respectful about everything.

I still defend cops as a whole, but it's unfortunate the dickheads among them have to ruin public perception

Oh, I'd be the first to tell you there are dickhead's among them. There are dickhead's in every line of work too though. It's just they are in a position of authority, a position where yes, their job is to do things to people that let's face it, people dont' want done to them. Most people will remember their bad experience with a cop over any good one they may have had. It's easier to remember and think about things that have upset us. It's not easy to like a cop when he hands you a ticket and all you can think about is how will you pay that when you have 10 other bills at home. But I also know that not all cops are saints. I still believe that some attracted into the field are there because they like being in a position of authority and it goes to their head. But that is a minority. Most will be respectful. THey may not have a smile on their face and act happy they had to pull you over, but they won't disrespect you with words or treat you in a bad manner.


15MPH whether you like it or not, IS speeding. Most cops will pull you over and ticket you at 15. Some will do this at 10. My husband usually has 15 as his marker. Endagering people or not, you will get tickets at that speed. So keep up the grandma driving What you described above... the 100mph weaving? That is something other than speeding. That will get you a "wreckless driving" ticket. Much worse and much higher fine!! Both are breaking the law though

[parfait]

I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.

That's ridiculous. She pissing you off is irrelevant; if she broke the law is however. The police's job is to uphold the law, not teaching people a lesson just because you find it to be necessary. There's no raison judiciaire for that, dude.

On the topic: That was one weak ass cop. Jesus, you don't go around hitting people just cause you're too much of a pussy to properly arrest someone. You guys should see how the cops in France do their business, especially the Gendarmerie - these fuckers will beat you down just for looking at them. Paris is a criminal infested shit hole, full of racailles (gangsters from the suburbs) and I've seen several times how the Gendarmerie jumped out of their cars and kicked some criminal ass for no apparent reason.

Don't bring race into this though - it's not about that.