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I guess Wal-mart will be gaining some customers from the Gay and Lesbian community.


Liberal groups push to exploit Target backlash
Liberal groups try to exploit backlash against Target for helping anti-gay marriage candidate

Martiga Lohn, Associated Press Writer, On Friday August 13, 2010, 9:32 am
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Protesters have been rallying outside Target Corp. or its stores almost daily since the retailer angered gay rights supporters and progressives by giving money to help a conservative Republican gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota. Liberal groups are pushing to make an example of the company, hoping its woes will deter other businesses from putting their corporate funds into elections.

A national gay rights group is negotiating with Target officials, demanding that the firm balance the scale by making comparable donations to benefit candidates it favors. Meanwhile, the controversy is threatening to complicate Target's business plans in other urban markets. Several city officials in San Francisco, one of the cities where Target hopes to expand, have begun criticizing the company.

"Target is receiving criticism and frustration from their customers because they are doing something wrong, and that should serve absolutely as an example for other companies," said Ilyse Hogue, director of political advocacy for the liberal group MoveOn.org, which is pressing Target to formally renounce involvement in election campaigns.

But conservative organizations are likely to react harshly if Target makes significant concessions to the left-leaning groups.

The flap has revealed new implications of a recent Supreme Court ruling that appeared to benefit corporations by clearing the way for them to spend company funds directly in elections. Companies taking sides in political campaigns risk alienating customers who back other candidates.

Target's $150,000 donation to a business-oriented group supporting Republican Tom Emmer, an outspoken opponent of gay marriage, was one of the first big corporate contributions to become known after the U.S. Supreme Court threw out prohibitions on corporate spending in elections earlier this year.

The Minneapolis-based chain has gone from defending the donation as a business decision to apologizing and saying it would carefully review its future giving. But the protests have continued.

Demonstrators gathered near Target's Minneapolis headquarters on Thursday, and two Facebook groups focused on gay rights are organizing protests at Target stores nationwide this weekend. Immigrant rights supporters have joined the protests, citing Emmer's tough stance on illegal immigration.

The company is in talks with the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay rights organization that wants Target and electronics retailer Best Buy Co., which gave $100,000 to the same group backing Emmer, to match their donations with equal amounts to help gay-friendly candidates.

Fred Sainz, the group's vice president for communications, said he is optimistic both companies will respond to the demand. Target has long cultivated a good relationship with the gay community in Minneapolis, and its gay employees have protested the donation.

"The repair has to be consistent with the harm that was done," Sainz said.

MoveOn, which had feared a heavy flow of corporate donations to groups that help conservative candidates after the Supreme Court decision, protested outside Target headquarters last week.

On the other side, conservatives have begun to rally to support Target, but in smaller numbers. A Facebook page urging "Boycott Target Until They Cease Funding Anti-Gay Politics" has more than 54,000 fans. A page declaring "I will NOT Boycott Target for supporting a Conservative candidate" has a little more than 400 fans.

A Target spokeswoman said the company had nothing to add to chief executive Gregg Steinhafel's statement of apology last week. At Richfield Minn.-based Best Buy, a spokeswoman said the company is reviewing its process for political donations and intended the Minnesota contribution to focus "solely on jobs and an improved economy."

Emmer has said he views the Target giving as an exercise in free speech and wants to keep his campaign focused on economic issues.

Target and rival Wal-Mart Stores Inc. have been trying to expand into urban markets after years of saturating the suburbs. Just last month, Target opened its first store in Manhattan, in East Harlem.

The company has 1,700 stores in the U.S. but only 150 stores in cities, and 50 more in cities with more than 100,000 people nearby.

In San Francisco, Target got a warm reception when it originally outlined plans to open two stores. That's shifted since the Minnesota controversy erupted.

"It just illustrates their disconnect, I think, from a city that they would want to establish a successful business in," said Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi. Target stores would be serving "the epicenter of the LGBT rights movement."

Target and BestBuy's donations went to MN Forward, a business-focused group that has run ads supporting Emmer and his lower-taxes message. The group is staffed by former insiders from Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty's administration and has also backed a few Democratic legislators.

MN Forward has continued to collect corporate money after the backlash against Target, bringing in $110,000 through Tuesday from businesses including Holiday Cos. gas stations and Graco Inc., a maker of pumps and fluid handling equipment.

After all the liberal groups Target has supported, the left really should have nothing to complain about on this one.

Where the hell are the libs going to shop? They hate (supposedly) Wal-Mart because of their labor practices (ie, not hiring union labor). Now Target. What does that leave them with, K-Mart?

I guess I'll go buy some shares of ... what company is it...Sears?

I think it's impossible to make either group happy. If Target contributed to a liberal then the conservatives would complain. It seems like they both enjoy bitching.

These people really need better things to worry about. Maybe a hobby?

Rhiannon wrote:These people really need better things to worry about. Maybe a hobby?

In the case of liberal activists, jobs.

In the case of conservative nutjobs, you're right, a hobby or three would do them good.

Ok, now this is where all these "rights movements" lose me. And I'm not speaking just about gay rights groups, to be clear...

Just stop it. You want to fight for rights and respect you are being denied and you want to live a life where others are not dictating what you are free to do or what you may not do, yet you want to run around screaming about what others are doing and why you think it's wrong? But it's not ok when people tell you that they think what you're up to is wrong. Not ok then, is it?

Hyp. O. Crites. Just stop it.

From Wiki:

Target Corporation is consistently ranked as one of the most philanthropic companies in the US. It ranked #11 in Fortune Magazine's "Top 20 Most Admired Companies" for 2007, largely in part to the donation efforts of the company as a whole.[75] According to a November 2005 Forbes article, it ranked as the highest cash-giving company in America in percentage of income given (2.1%).[76] Target donates around 5 percent of its pre-tax operating profit; it gives over $3 million a week (up from $2 million in years prior) to the communities in which it operates. It also gives a percentage of charges from its Target Visa to schools designated by the cardholders. To date, Target has given over $150 million to schools across the United States through this program.

Further evidence of Target's philanthropy can be found in the Target House complex in Memphis, Tennessee, a long-term housing solution for families of patients at the city's St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. The corporation led the way with more than $27 million in donations, which made available 96 fully furnished apartments for families needing to stay at St. Jude over 90 days.

Target has a standard no-solicitation rule at its properties, as it seeks to provide a "distraction-free shopping experience for its guests." Exemptions to this policy were previously made for the Salvation Army red kettles and bell-ringers outside Target stores during the holidays through Christmas. In 2004, however, Target asked the organization to explore alternate methods to partner with Target. Target donates to local Salvation Army chapters through its grant program and annually to the United Way of America (the Salvation Army is a member of the United Way coalition).

During disasters, Target has been a major benefactor for relief efforts. Target provided monetary and product donations during the September 11 attacks; it also donated money for relief efforts for the 2004 tsunami in South Asia and donated $1.5 million (U.S.) to the American Red Cross in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. It also allowed its store properties in the affected area to be used as command centers for relief organizations. It also donated supplies such as water and bug spray.

I interact with many employees at different levels in their corporate office/stores and universally have heard nothing but positive things about the corporation.

WalkInMyShoes wrote:From Wiki:

Target Corporation is consistently ranked as one of the most philanthropic companies in the US. It ranked #11 in Fortune Magazine's "Top 20 Most Admired Companies" for 2007, largely in part to the donation efforts of the company as a whole.[75] According to a November 2005 Forbes article, it ranked as the highest cash-giving company in America in percentage of income given (2.1%).[76] Target donates around 5 percent of its pre-tax operating profit; it gives over $3 million a week (up from $2 million in years prior) to the communities in which it operates. It also gives a percentage of charges from its Target Visa to schools designated by the cardholders. To date, Target has given over $150 million to schools across the United States through this program.

Further evidence of Target's philanthropy can be found in the Target House complex in Memphis, Tennessee, a long-term housing solution for families of patients at the city's St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. The corporation led the way with more than $27 million in donations, which made available 96 fully furnished apartments for families needing to stay at St. Jude over 90 days.

Target has a standard no-solicitation rule at its properties, as it seeks to provide a "distraction-free shopping experience for its guests." Exemptions to this policy were previously made for the Salvation Army red kettles and bell-ringers outside Target stores during the holidays through Christmas. In 2004, however, Target asked the organization to explore alternate methods to partner with Target. Target donates to local Salvation Army chapters through its grant program and annually to the United Way of America (the Salvation Army is a member of the United Way coalition).

During disasters, Target has been a major benefactor for relief efforts. Target provided monetary and product donations during the September 11 attacks; it also donated money for relief efforts for the 2004 tsunami in South Asia and donated $1.5 million (U.S.) to the American Red Cross in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. It also allowed its store properties in the affected area to be used as command centers for relief organizations. It also donated supplies such as water and bug spray.

I interact with many employees at different levels in their corporate office/stores and universally have heard nothing but positive things about the corporation.

pssst... a huge seceret... LIBERALS HATE ALL AMERICAN SUCCESS STORIES... EVERONE who makes wealth is hated by this group period... its started with oil, went to tobacco, then to wall street and now its retail... see a pattern...

lights1961 wrote:

WalkInMyShoes wrote:From Wiki:

Target Corporation is consistently ranked as one of the most philanthropic companies in the US. It ranked #11 in Fortune Magazine's "Top 20 Most Admired Companies" for 2007, largely in part to the donation efforts of the company as a whole.[75] According to a November 2005 Forbes article, it ranked as the highest cash-giving company in America in percentage of income given (2.1%).[76] Target donates around 5 percent of its pre-tax operating profit; it gives over $3 million a week (up from $2 million in years prior) to the communities in which it operates. It also gives a percentage of charges from its Target Visa to schools designated by the cardholders. To date, Target has given over $150 million to schools across the United States through this program.

Further evidence of Target's philanthropy can be found in the Target House complex in Memphis, Tennessee, a long-term housing solution for families of patients at the city's St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. The corporation led the way with more than $27 million in donations, which made available 96 fully furnished apartments for families needing to stay at St. Jude over 90 days.

Target has a standard no-solicitation rule at its properties, as it seeks to provide a "distraction-free shopping experience for its guests." Exemptions to this policy were previously made for the Salvation Army red kettles and bell-ringers outside Target stores during the holidays through Christmas. In 2004, however, Target asked the organization to explore alternate methods to partner with Target. Target donates to local Salvation Army chapters through its grant program and annually to the United Way of America (the Salvation Army is a member of the United Way coalition).

During disasters, Target has been a major benefactor for relief efforts. Target provided monetary and product donations during the September 11 attacks; it also donated money for relief efforts for the 2004 tsunami in South Asia and donated $1.5 million (U.S.) to the American Red Cross in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. It also allowed its store properties in the affected area to be used as command centers for relief organizations. It also donated supplies such as water and bug spray.

I interact with many employees at different levels in their corporate office/stores and universally have heard nothing but positive things about the corporation.

pssst... a huge seceret... LIBERALS HATE ALL AMERICAN SUCCESS STORIES... EVERONE who makes wealth is hated by this group period... its started with oil, went to tobacco, then to wall street and now its retail... see a pattern...

It is amazing how much one can see when they actually pay attention and watch for awhile.

Yes, we hate ALL corporations and people who make money. We think people should be poor, except for about 5% of the population and they should have all the wealth and all the power. They should get all the tax cuts and tax breaks. Also, we hate corporations that abide by federal law and wish they were allowed to make their own laws, (hell, it's their business, right) and they should be allowed to pay their employees whatever the hell they want to pay them, it's not the employees who make the business, right? And let's please don't forget the greatest concern, smaller government, EXCEPT when it comes to governing women's bodies or telling queers who they can and can't marry or there's an oil spill to clean up and the President happens to be a Democrat. Of course if the President is a republican, he has no reason to help with a "states concerns" and we should definitely treat corporations as people so they can buy any presidential race they want to as long as they have the money.

Oh wait...

Oh, the person that Target made the donation to isn't just a "conservative".


From an online article:



Tom Emmer has made it pretty clear where he stands on the issue of LGBT rights.

"I believe marriage is the union between one man and one woman," Emmer says on his Web site. "As a legislator, I have consistently supported the constitutional marriage amendment that protects traditional marriage."

OK, perhaps you're saying that while it's not great that Emmer is so anti- marriage equality, he's no different than many within American politics. Perhaps that's true. But it's Emmer's affiliation with a Christian right rock band, You Can Run But You Cannot Hide, that should not only have Target's head spinning, but all of ours, too.

You Can Run But You Cannot Hide is fronted by a man named Bradlee Dean. And Tom Emmer is a buddy-buddy with Dean and his band. "These are nice people," Emmer said of the band, who have appeared at various Minnesota GOP functions, from statewide conventions to political candidate soirées.

But here's what Bradlee Dean has said about LGBT people.

"Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America. This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination," Dean previously said.

And there's more. "[Homosexuals] play the victim when they are, in fact, the predator. On average, they molest 117 people before they’re found out. How many kids have been destroyed, how many adults have been destroyed because of crimes against nature?" Yup, that's another Dean comment.

Meanwhile, Emmer continues to call these folks 'nice.' Talk about a pretty effed up definition of 'nice.'

UM...mistake... BOBBY... LIBERALS want everyone miserable and feel guilty about any money being made... well unless the money is given to THEIR CAUSES...and of course GOVT... and its John Kerry avoiding paying taxes while he keeps his yacht in state where he is NOT SENATOR... think MOVEON.ORG would be PISSED at Target if Target gave all their donations to them...hell f***** no... but because it was given to a guy who has way different views than moveon.org and yourself...you all think its criminal... its america right, private firms can giver where they want to last I checked...



Rick

Would it make any diff if Target's color wasn't bright red?
What if it were blue, pink, or rainbow? ...at least for certain causes?


later~

lights1961 wrote:UM...mistake... BOBBY... LIBERALS want everyone miserable and feel guilty about any money being made... well unless the money is given to THEIR CAUSES...and of course GOVT... and its John Kerry avoiding paying taxes while he keeps his yacht in state where he is NOT SENATOR... think MOVEON.ORG would be PISSED at Target if Target gave all their donations to them...hell f***** no... but because it was given to a guy who has way different views than moveon.org and yourself...you all think its criminal... its america right, private firms can giver where they want to last I checked...



Rick

You also have the conservatives who hold themselves to an ultra high moral standard when they're just as perverted as everybody else. They'll berate you for downloading porn or something but then do it themselves when they think nobody is looking.

lights1961 wrote:UM...mistake... BOBBY... LIBERALS want everyone miserable and feel guilty about any money being made... well unless the money is given to THEIR CAUSES...and of course GOVT... and its John Kerry avoiding paying taxes while he keeps his yacht in state where he is NOT SENATOR... think MOVEON.ORG would be PISSED at Target if Target gave all their donations to them...hell f***** no... but because it was given to a guy who has way different views than moveon.org and yourself...you all think its criminal... its america right, private firms can giver where they want to last I checked...



Rick

Anyone that supports a group that calls for the extermination of homosexuals is a fuck-wad and doesn't deserve "support". And if Target wants to suppor that kind of trashy bigot, we don't have to support Target. Any group that thinks homosexuals should not have equal rights deserve nothing and no voice in this country.

And do you really want to go there with the crooked senators and the tax shelters they have for themselves? What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

ebake02 wrote:

lights1961 wrote:UM...mistake... BOBBY... LIBERALS want everyone miserable and feel guilty about any money being made... well unless the money is given to THEIR CAUSES...and of course GOVT... and its John Kerry avoiding paying taxes while he keeps his yacht in state where he is NOT SENATOR... think MOVEON.ORG would be PISSED at Target if Target gave all their donations to them...hell f***** no... but because it was given to a guy who has way different views than moveon.org and yourself...you all think its criminal... its america right, private firms can giver where they want to last I checked...



Rick

You also have the conservatives who hold themselves to an ultra high moral standard when they're just as perverted as the everybody else. They'll berate you for downloading porn or something but then do it themselves when they think nobody is looking.

Exactly.

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

BobbyinTN wrote:HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

The blowjob itself isn't the issue. The worst thing, in my opinion, is that he violated his marriage vows. In my opinion, if someone can't be trusted to honor their marriage relationship, they probably can't be trusted as the President, either. Secondly, Clinton put himself at risk for being bribed. Third, as was mentioned earlier, he lied about it to a grand jury. All three of those are serious issues.

conversationpc wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

The blowjob itself isn't the issue. The worst thing, in my opinion, is that he violated his marriage vows. In my opinion, if someone can't be trusted to honor their marriage relationship, they probably can't be trusted as the President, either. Secondly, Clinton put himself at risk for being bribed. Third, as was mentioned earlier, he lied about it to a grand jury. All three of those are serious issues.

That's the scariest thing...

BobbyinTN wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

Again you just don't know your facts here...Bill Clinton LIED in deposition to the Grand Jury investigating the Paul Jones sexual harrasment claims...in investigating those claims along with Whitewater, Travel-gate and other things Ken Starr came upon the whole Lewinsky thing...well Linda Tripp turned them in, oh and Clinton Obstructed justice...

Dude...please...I support you an your quest for equal rights and all that, but you REALLY don't know squat history. Here this is actually a pretty good wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachmen ... ll_Clinton

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

Again you just don't know your facts here...Bill Clinton LIED in deposition to the Grand Jury investigating the Paul Jones sexual harrasment claims...in investigating those claims along with Whitewater, Travel-gate and other things Ken Starr came upon the whole Lewinsky thing...well Linda Tripp turned them in, oh and Clinton Obstructed justice...

Dude...please...I support you an your quest for equal rights and all that, but you REALLY don't know squat history. Here this is actually a pretty good wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachmen ... ll_Clinton

Yep, he did lie. Just like Bush. Bush's lies, however, cost lives. Many, many lives. That'll all come out and be proven eventually. And I'll be front & center to see that fucker brought up on the carpet. You'll only wish he lied about a blow job.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

Again you just don't know your facts here...Bill Clinton LIED in deposition to the Grand Jury investigating the Paul Jones sexual harrasment claims...in investigating those claims along with Whitewater, Travel-gate and other things Ken Starr came upon the whole Lewinsky thing...well Linda Tripp turned them in, oh and Clinton Obstructed justice...

Dude...please...I support you an your quest for equal rights and all that, but you REALLY don't know squat history. Here this is actually a pretty good wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachmen ... ll_Clinton

As far as I'm concerned, Bill Clinton's blow job should have never gotten to a grand jury. It should have stayed between Bill, Monica and Hillary, infidelity is none of the public's business. Doesn't matter where or who it happened to.

Rick wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

Again you just don't know your facts here...Bill Clinton LIED in deposition to the Grand Jury investigating the Paul Jones sexual harrasment claims...in investigating those claims along with Whitewater, Travel-gate and other things Ken Starr came upon the whole Lewinsky thing...well Linda Tripp turned them in, oh and Clinton Obstructed justice...

Dude...please...I support you an your quest for equal rights and all that, but you REALLY don't know squat history. Here this is actually a pretty good wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachmen ... ll_Clinton

Yep, he did lie. Just like Bush. Bush's lies, however, cost lives. Many, many lives. That'll all come out and be proven eventually. And I'll be front & center to see that fucker brought up on the carpet. You'll only wish he lied about a blow job.

Im not taking sides here Rick, because I agree there is a lot Bush did that I question. But he did not lie under oath. And I believe all presidents have lied at one time or another when it comes to national security. I have a feeling there are things that happen that we will ever know. And when we find out, it is because of an "oops" or a leak. The lying under oath thing bothers me, when we have a legal system and we are all expected to abide by it. What does it say when a president can't even do that because he's too much of a chicken. I would rather have heard him admit it, and then fight that it shouldn't matter to the presidency than see him lie to a grand jury. I can't respect that.

Rick wrote:Yep, he did lie. Just like Bush. Bush's lies, however, cost lives. Many, many lives. That'll all come out and be proven eventually. And I'll be front & center to see that fucker brought up on the carpet. You'll only wish he lied about a blow job.

Yeah it always comes back to Bush doesn't it? But it has no bearing on the context of this conversation.

Bobby said Clinton was impeached for a blow job, which is just not factual.

You libs are all like little kids on a playground, you contantly whine "Well he (Bush, Rove, Gingrich pick your Republican of choice to insert here) did X, Y and/or Z" as if that makes it all right.

Right and wrong do not have degrees...either what Clinton did was wrong or it was not. He either broke the law or he did not. But he did break a law, and NOTHING Bush did makes it right no matter how wrong, decietful, illegal those thing Bush did were.

ebake02 wrote:As far as I'm concerned, Bill Clinton's blow job should have never gotten to a grand jury. It should have stayed between Bill, Monica and Hillary, infidelity is none of the public's business. Doesn't matter where or who it happened to.

Well if he hadn't done anything wrong prior to the blow job it wouldn't have gotten there.

Whitewater...Jennifer Flowers...Paula Jones...Travelgate...FBI files being requested to be used by the administration against their oppontents...ALL of those things we being investigated by an independent investigator appointed by JANET RENO, Clintons OWN pick for Attorney General and then Tripp turned them in later on in the investigation.

So the blow job isn't the issue, it was the lying about it, and not just under oath...standing there with Hillary and his daughter while waving his finger at the entire country saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." If he would have come out and admitted it, been appolgetic, then he wouldn't have had to lie about it to the Grand Jury.

Ethics. Plain and simple.

conversationpc wrote:After all the liberal groups Target has supported, the left really should have nothing to complain about on this one.

Some NASTY MotherF&%rs aren't they?

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote:

RossValoryRocks wrote:

BobbyinTN wrote: What about the one spending tax payer money to buy hookers or the ones who cheat on their wives then call for the President of the United States to resign because he did the same thing.

Man you libs just don't know HISTORY...it wasn't that he got a blow job but the fact he LIED, under oath, about it. It's called PERJURY.

Gingrich resigned when it became public he had an affair...and he never lied to a jury about it.

At least get your facts straight...even if you can't be yourself!

HAHA!

No, without BLOW JOB GATE, there would have been no cause for him to defend himself.

Anyne that got upset about Bill Clinton getting a blow-job probably needs one themselves or needs to give one. LOL

Newt has done much worse than cheat. However, that should have been between him and his slave, I mean wife.

Again you just don't know your facts here...Bill Clinton LIED in deposition to the Grand Jury investigating the Paul Jones sexual harrasment claims...in investigating those claims along with Whitewater, Travel-gate and other things Ken Starr came upon the whole Lewinsky thing...well Linda Tripp turned them in, oh and Clinton Obstructed justice...

Dude...please...I support you an your quest for equal rights and all that, but you REALLY don't know squat history. Here this is actually a pretty good wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachmen ... ll_Clinton

It's cool you support gay rights, that doesn't mean we’re gonna agree on everything and that’s cool. But don’t insult me again with the history thing. I was there, I remember it and it was about the goddamn blowjob in the Oval Office. If every politician were prosecuted for lying, they’d all be in jail.

Yes, he lied to the grand jury and that was all they needed to get him just as they had been trying to get him for years before.

It’s a trick that’s been used throughout HISTORY. When you can’t get them for one thing, find something you can get them for.

RossValoryRocks wrote:

Rick wrote:Yep, he did lie. Just like Bush. Bush's lies, however, cost lives. Many, many lives. That'll all come out and be proven eventually. And I'll be front & center to see that fucker brought up on the carpet. You'll only wish he lied about a blow job.

Yeah it always comes back to Bush doesn't it? But it has no bearing on the context of this conversation.

Bobby said Clinton was impeached for a blow job, which is just not factual.

You libs are all like little kids on a playground, you contantly whine "Well he (Bush, Rove, Gingrich pick your Republican of choice to insert here) did X, Y and/or Z" as if that makes it all right.

Right and wrong do not have degrees...either what Clinton did was wrong or it was not. He either broke the law or he did not. But he did break a law, and NOTHING Bush did makes it right no matter how wrong, decietful, illegal those thing Bush did were.

No, we just don't ignore the facts that everyone is fucked up, even the fuckers who call themselves "conservatives".

You can't judge Clinton for one crime and give Bush a pass. It doesn't work that way no matter how you "conservatives" wish it to.