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Quran, 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."



I can't speak for the ladies, but I get a feeling that kinda attitude wouldn't get me flowers on Valentine's Day.

Rip Rokken wrote:Quran, 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."



I can't speak for the ladies, but I get a feeling that kinda attitude wouldn't get me flowers on Valentine's Day.

My sister in law lives with a Muslim from Pakistan. No wonder he treats her like shit and she tolerates it. She's an immigrant as well,
but from the Philippines. Not much there in that relationship, except I think she sees him as a meal ticket. She makes her own bed
there, but it really bothers me the way he treats her kids. She has a 9 year old daughter and 12 year old son from another marriage.
He makes them wait on him, rub his back and orders them around like they are his personal slaves.

sounds like a lotta mormons I know actually

Here's a good reason not to marry a Christian:

Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Duncan wrote:Here's a good reason not to marry a Christian:

Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Big difference, the Christian way doesn't call for physical abuse.

Rip Rokken wrote:Quran, 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."



I can't speak for the ladies, but I get a feeling that kinda attitude wouldn't get me flowers on Valentine's Day.

I don't know any woman that would put up with that.

Not sure what your point is Steve. Ipplicit or or explicit inequality is the same no matter which religion preaches it.

steveo777 wrote:

Duncan wrote:Here's a good reason not to marry a Christian:

Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Big difference, the Christian way doesn't call for physical abuse.

True, but it's still misogynistic. The Apostle Paul wrote:

1 Timothy 2:9-15 I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

This is interesting, because according to my records...

Genesis 2:2-6 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.


So Eve was actually deceived, but Adam was just a dumbass who disobeyed a direct order from God. Hmm...

There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Rip Rokken wrote:Quran, 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."



I can't speak for the ladies, but I get a feeling that kinda attitude wouldn't get me flowers on Valentine's Day.

There are some Christian groups who have this exact view.

Monker wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:Quran, 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."



I can't speak for the ladies, but I get a feeling that kinda attitude wouldn't get me flowers on Valentine's Day.

There are some Christian groups who have this exact view.

Which ones?

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Actually, as much as I'd like to agree, I don't think that's a fair statement. I've known some great people who for some reason or another felt belief in God wasn't for them, and we've all seen plenty of people of "faith" who act pretty Godless.

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Rip Rokken wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Actually, as much as I'd like to agree, I don't think that's a fair statement. I've known some great people who for some reason or another felt belief in God wasn't for them, and we've all seen plenty of people of "faith" who act pretty Godless.

Agreed. You'll find great people in both categories.

Duncan wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Dude, He TOLD me to buy one. I aim to please!

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Dude, He TOLD me to buy one. I aim to please!

You're getting Don's voice and God's confused in your mind. Try seperating them left and right in your brain. See - Don wants you to buy a machine gun. God isn't saying anything cos he isn't there.

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Dude, He TOLD me to buy one. I aim to please!

Rick wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Dude, He TOLD me to buy one. I aim to please!

I still have more Bibles than guns, though. I think...

Duncan wrote:You're getting Don's voice and God's confused in your mind. Try seperating them left and right in your brain. See - Don wants you to buy a machine gun. God isn't saying anything cos he isn't there.

I have absolute faith in Don, and I believe he still kicks A night after night, sounding even better than he did in the 80's.

Don 20:29(b) Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Rip Rokken wrote:

Rick wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Dude, He TOLD me to buy one. I aim to please!

I still have more Bibles than guns, though. I think...

Isn't that a Lynyrd Skynryd album?

Rip Rokken wrote:

Rick wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Duncan wrote:There are no Gods. Live life with your own moral compass.

Because the moral compass' of the faithless are so reliable.

Not sure what reliabilty got to do with anything. Beliving in a God is very rarley the deciding factor in making good or bad decisions. Do you think God wants Rip to buy a machine gun?

Dude, He TOLD me to buy one. I aim to please!

I still have more Bibles than guns, though. I think...

My mom gave me a bible years ago, when I was young. She signed it and somewhere along the lines I lost track of it. A few years ago, my first wife, whom I divorced in the early 80's called me and said she had it and wanted to send it to me. I was so glad to get that back in my possession, as I couldn't remember, after my partying days, what in the world had happened to it. That happened after my mom's passing, so it was of great importance to get that back.

I guess you can classify me as a running scared agnostic. I don't know what to believe, but I'll always treasure that bible. I had one of the best moms anyone could ever ask for. God rest her soul.

Duncan wrote:Isn't that a Lynyrd Skynryd album?

I don't believe the plane crash ever happened - that was a media cover up. Those dudes got raptured.

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:Isn't that a Lynyrd Skynryd album?

I don't believe the plane crash ever happened - that was a media cover up. Those dudes got raptured.

I used to think you were normal. Now I understand why you have the guns. Your world is a conspiracy.

Rip Rokken wrote:Quran, 4:34 "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."



I can't speak for the ladies, but I get a feeling that kinda attitude wouldn't get me flowers on Valentine's Day.

From the Bible: Numbers, chapter 31, verses 17-18: "So now put every male child to death, and every woman who has had sex relations with a man. But all the female children who have had no sex relations with men, you may keep for yourselves.

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:Isn't that a Lynyrd Skynryd album?

I don't believe the plane crash ever happened - that was a media cover up. Those dudes got raptured.

You do know that Kevin Elson was on that plane, no?

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:You're getting Don's voice and God's confused in your mind. Try seperating them left and right in your brain. See - Don wants you to buy a machine gun. God isn't saying anything cos he isn't there.

I have absolute faith in Don, and I believe he still kicks A night after night, sounding even better than he did in the 80's.

Don 20:29(b) Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

LOL

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:You're getting Don's voice and God's confused in your mind. Try seperating them left and right in your brain. See - Don wants you to buy a machine gun. God isn't saying anything cos he isn't there.

I have absolute faith in Don, and I believe he still kicks A night after night, sounding even better than he did in the 80's.

Don 20:29(b) Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Nurse!

Jeremey wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:Isn't that a Lynyrd Skynryd album?

I don't believe the plane crash ever happened - that was a media cover up. Those dudes got raptured.

You do know that Kevin Elson was on that plane, no?

I didn't know that. Really?

Rick wrote:

Jeremey wrote:

Rip Rokken wrote:

Duncan wrote:Isn't that a Lynyrd Skynryd album?

I don't believe the plane crash ever happened - that was a media cover up. Those dudes got raptured.

You do know that Kevin Elson was on that plane, no?

I didn't know that. Really?

Kevin was Skynyrd's road engineer. from a news account of the crash:

Busy Night at Hospital
"We practice disaster drills so many times during the year that when this one came up I wondered if people
would think it was practice too," said Southwest Mississippi Regional Administrator Tom Logue this morning.
"But when the first patient arrived, we went to work. They knew this wasn't a drill. I was real proud of everyone
at the hospital," he said. Logue and most hospital employees, as well as Civil Defense personnel and others
who took part in the rescue operations following Thursday night's plane crash near Gillsburg, had gone
through an almost sleepless night. Six persons died in the crash and of the 20 survivors, four were listed in
critical condition at SMRMC today. Eight others were transferred during the night to Jackson hospitals, seven
were listed in stable condition at SMRMC, and one was not hospitalized. Among the injured were members of
the musical rock group Lynyrd Skynyrd. Three members were killed (see related stories). In critical condition in
the intensive care unit at the McComb hospital were Leon Wilkeson, bass guitarist, with chest injuries, multiple
abrasions and fractured left arm and left leg; Craig Reed, a member of the road crew, chest injury , lacerations
and abrasions, fractured left arm; James Bracy, road crew, chest wound, abrasion, fractured left arm. Listed in
critical condition, but not the intensive care unit, was <i>Kevin Elson</i>, the groups sound engineer, with a fractured
right leg and ankle, fractured pelvis and left leg. Others, still being treated at SMRMC, all in stable condition
this morning. were Ron Eckerman, road manager, chest contusion and rib fractures, and road crew members
Kenneth Peden, multiple contusions, Steve Lawler, chest contusions, facial lacerations; Clayton Johnson,
fractured right clavicle and left elbow; Don Kretzechman, chest injury, abrasions; Joe Osborn, multiple