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Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

Hmm...

Women are trying to make men think with the OTHER head...go figure.

S2M wrote:Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

Pfft...except for the first two sentences, pure twaddle...

Jubilee wrote:Pfft...except for the first two sentences, pure twaddle...

I wouldn't even make an exception on the first two sentences, but you're right, that's b.s. I've never looked at a guy, or a relationship, or a friendship, and thought ANY of those things. I think anyone who is busy putting conditions like that on everything, and playing those games, or looking at it like the opposite sex is some kind of enemy whose evil plan must be deciphered so you can counter-move, well, there's going to be a lot of alone time in their future.

It's not a hands-down rule that men and women offset each other personality-wise. Some do of course, but it's not because we're "men vs. women".... PEOPLE offset each other personality-wise. You can have two people, gender notwithstanding, who can either clash or gel. Why does a person get along so well with one particular best friend over most of their other friends (again, gender notwithstanding). Why are this, that and the next guy (or girl) the wrong ones, but the fouth one comes along and is the right one? Because some people are going to get along and some aren't. Some people play the "games" because they don't know how to do otherwise. Some don't need games and just go by "I like this person, we get along, we respect each other, we have fun, so let's go for it and see what happens." This goes just as well for friendships as it does for dating/relationships.

But to treat it like an "us vs. them" situation is pretty much a guarantee of failure. I mean, if you're waiting for a move so you can counter-move, or your spending all your time studying the board, trying to figure out which way your "opponent" is going to go, you're going to miss out on ... a lot. This is not to suggest that there aren't men and women who do play games... but those are the ones that aren't really going to do a lot of winning... and we've all been there a time or two. But eventually, if your smart enough, and you can be open and positive about it, you figure it out.

Friendships, relationships and love are not some calculated formula where "as soon as X happens, Y will then happen, which will mean Z." Every situation and person is different. Example... you're dating a guy or a girl, and let's say they do something awful, like cheat on you, or borrow something like money and jack you on it, or they lie to you, or whatever other awful things you can think of... does this mean the next bf / gf that comes along is goes to do it too, because 'they all do it?"? It does not.

If we were all to think like that, we'd all be single forever.

Oh, come on! The real reason many women behave anything like that is because we are hoping that there's more to the male game than simply the obvious. By the time we realize you guys are REALLY *that shallow* and are just interested in one thing, we've already given up the game and moved on.

Well I agree both genders play games, but sorry ladies, women take the CAKE at game-playing, and it's not even just with romantic relationships. Women play games with each other too. I've found it so interesting as I get older to see how obvious that is, how men can get pissed at each other or whoever, yet they don't STAY mad for long and get over it and don't hold grudges, whereas women can be the opposite and will stay mad and hold grudges for ALL ETERNITY

I m waiting for Bobby Tn to chime in on this one

S2M wrote:Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

To me, this sounds like it was written by someone who is pretty jaded and can't get into good relationships.

Monker wrote:

S2M wrote:Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

To me, this sounds like it was written by someone who is pretty jaded and can't get into good relationships.

Actually, and I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like someone observing someone else's relationship as an outsider watching both parties.

Melissa wrote:

Monker wrote:

S2M wrote:Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

To me, this sounds like it was written by someone who is pretty jaded and can't get into good relationships.

Actually, and I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like someone observing someone else's relationship as an outsider watching both parties.

Exactly!!

BTW people, I've studied psychology for 20 years....people adapt concepts and strategies that they don't even know they are utilizing, or even need to focus on. How many of you had to actually *think* about driving after the 2nd, or 3rd year? Men have been their whole lives, and women have been women...things are intrinsic, innate, and engrained....what I observe is 100% accurate...a lot of this stuff is done on a secondary level of thought...most of this is done without knowing. It is natural.

Men can totally do this too:

"Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.' "


So I dont' see this as a man/woman difference.... but more of a PEOPLE difference thing.

S2M wrote:

Melissa wrote:

Monker wrote:

S2M wrote:Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

To me, this sounds like it was written by someone who is pretty jaded and can't get into good relationships.

Actually, and I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like someone observing someone else's relationship as an outsider watching both parties.

Exactly!!

BTW people, I've studied psychology for 20 years....people adapt concepts and strategies that they don't even know they are utilizing, or even need to focus on. How many of you had to actually *think* about driving after the 2nd, or 3rd year? Men have been their whole lives, and women have been women...things are intrinsic, innate, and engrained....what I observe is 100% accurate...a lot of this stuff is done on a secondary level of thought...most of this is done without knowing. It is natural.

So, these are YOUR observations.

You have never observed a man consider a particular woman as someone he does not want to have sex with but realizes they connect in other ways that do not involve some kind of mating ritual? You have not observed a woman considering a man as nothing more then someone she wants to have sex with, and not thinking of the relationship any further then that? You have not observed men who have women hanging all over them and able to have sex with any he chooses to?

I think you are generalizing FAR too much and I still think you are injecting your own personal experiences into your 'observations'.

You are correct that people find their own way to deal with life and it becomes second nature and they do it naturally. However, I doubt very much that everybody finds the SAME way of handling relationship with the opposite sex. To argue against that is to argue that we are all the same and have no diversity of character or personality.

StevePerryHair wrote:So I dont' see this as a man/woman difference.... but more of a PEOPLE difference thing.

That's exactly what I was saying, only I used more words

The same kinds of things ... or "games"... go on in regular friendships where you don't have the male/female dynamic - I was friends with one particular woman for awhile and all she knew how to do (with both the men and the women in her life) was play games. I've dated guys who have done that too, and ones who haven't. It happens because of the differences in people, their personalities, their backgrounds, their role models, their influences and their learning experiences.

Men and women are more or less conditioned to think and feel certain things about their opposite sex, expect certain things from them, like when women say "all men are dogs!" for example. Well, no, not all men are dogs. They don't all cheat or play games or whatever... and the same goes for women.

BTW....feelings changing throughout the day between love and hate (though too strong a word) are normal feelings that happen in all relationships and this happens to men and women equally. Especially in long term relationships and marriage. After the "honeymoon" phase has worn off it's normal to love your spouse so much it's exciting one day and maybe get irritated as hell the next. When you are with someone everyday, there are things that will remind you why you love and married them and things that just irritate you for the 100th time! That's just people! It's not easy to live with other people, day in and day out. Friends or spouses. Because we are all set in our ways and it's a compromise to keep things happy and get along. Its about working together. Coping skills. And mainly loving and caring enough for the person to work your hardest at it the times you do feel the negatives. Reminding yourself of the positives. No relationship is perfect. And no one sex is perfect or evil. People are people. You are really generalizing with this.

Monker wrote:You are correct that people find their own way to deal with life and it becomes second nature and they do it naturally. However, I doubt very much that everybody finds the SAME way of handling relationship with the opposite sex. To argue against that is to argue that we are all the same and have no diversity of character or personality.

Not only that, but not eveyone handles one relationship the same way as they handled a previous one... it all depends on the situaiton, who you're dealing with, and what you've learned from your past experiences. I don't have all the answers but I do know that I've learned things and changed certain things so that mistakes don't keep repeating, and it's because I know that everyone is different that I've had to learn to just get over my bad self and do what's right for me and make the changed I feel I need to make. It's a constant learning process and growth process in relationships, whether you've been dating for 3 weeks or if you've been married to the person for 5 years, 10, 15...

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Monker wrote:You are correct that people find their own way to deal with life and it becomes second nature and they do it naturally. However, I doubt very much that everybody finds the SAME way of handling relationship with the opposite sex. To argue against that is to argue that we are all the same and have no diversity of character or personality.

Not only that, but not eveyone handles one relationship the same way as they handled a previous one... it all depends on the situaiton, who you're dealing with, and what you've learned from your past experiences. I don't have all the answers but I do know that I've learned things and changed certain things so that mistakes don't keep repeating, and it's because I know that everyone is different that I've had to learn to just get over my bad self and do what's right for me and make the changed I feel I need to make. It's a constant learning process and growth process in relationships, whether you've been dating for 3 weeks or if you've been married to the person for 5 years, 10, 15...

That's true too! I am not the same person at 42 as I was at 23. My husband would agree that I am way more easy going than I was back in those early years. Age and wisdom play a factor too, for sure! You learn that you have to pick your battles. And most battles just aren't worth it. Life is a daily learning experience for everyone I think! We learn til we die!!!

StevePerryHair wrote:BTW....feelings changing throughout the day between love and hate (though too strong a word) are normal feelings that happen in all relationships and this happens to men and women equally. Especially in long term relationships and marriage. After the "honeymoon" phase has worn off it's normal to love your spouse so much it's exciting one day and maybe get irritated as hell the next. When you are with someone everyday, there are things that will remind you why you love and married them and things that just irritate you for the 100th time! That's just people! It's not easy to live with other people, day in and day out. Friends or spouses. Because we are all set in our ways and it's a compromise to keep things happy and get along. Its about working together. Coping skills. And mainly loving and caring enough for the person to work your hardest at it the times you do feel the negatives. Reminding yourself of the positives. No relationship is perfect. And no one sex is perfect or evil. People are people. You are really generalizing with this.

Are you all up in my head today or what? Yes exactly... change, growth, compromise, learning, feeling, coping... it never stops and changes over the days, weeks, years. As I see it, if we're determined to call it a game... it's a game you play together, not against each other. Treating the person as an opponent whose strategy you must figure out is a setup for failure. "What's this person up to?" It's all very negative and suspicious sounding. If you're open, and honest and talk about things and figure it all out together, you probably have a better chance.

There isn't a damn book in the world that can convince me otherwise. I go by my own experiences with people and situations, because it's all I have. Pick up a book and it tells you "if a person does this, it means that"... then turn to the person who's doing whatever, and assume they're doing it for a reason you got from a book and not from them... yeah ... goood idea.

StevePerryHair wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

Monker wrote:You are correct that people find their own way to deal with life and it becomes second nature and they do it naturally. However, I doubt very much that everybody finds the SAME way of handling relationship with the opposite sex. To argue against that is to argue that we are all the same and have no diversity of character or personality.

Not only that, but not eveyone handles one relationship the same way as they handled a previous one... it all depends on the situaiton, who you're dealing with, and what you've learned from your past experiences. I don't have all the answers but I do know that I've learned things and changed certain things so that mistakes don't keep repeating, and it's because I know that everyone is different that I've had to learn to just get over my bad self and do what's right for me and make the changed I feel I need to make. It's a constant learning process and growth process in relationships, whether you've been dating for 3 weeks or if you've been married to the person for 5 years, 10, 15...

That's true too! I am not the same person at 42 as I was at 23. My husband would agree that I am way more easy going than I was back in those early years. Age and wisdom play a factor too, for sure! You learn that you have to pick your battles. And most battles just aren't worth it. Life is a daily learning experience for everyone I think! We learn til we die!!!

I'm not even the same person I was a month ago! And I swear that's true. I had to learn some pretty screwed up lessons in the last several years, between relationships and friendships and various other things. I almost screwed up a good thing by holding onto past stuff, and finally one day I basically said "you're an idiot! get over your bad self!" And I did. And it worked. So that's my advice. get over y'alls bad selves.

Monker wrote:

S2M wrote:

Melissa wrote:[quote="Monker]
To me, this sounds like it was written by someone who is pretty jaded and can't get into good relationships.

Actually, and I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like someone observing someone else's relationship as an outsider watching both parties.

Exactly!!

BTW people, I've studied psychology for 20 years....people adapt concepts and strategies that they don't even know they are utilizing, or even need to focus on. How many of you had to actually *think* about driving after the 2nd, or 3rd year? Men have been their whole lives, and women have been women...things are intrinsic, innate, and engrained....what I observe is 100% accurate...a lot of this stuff is done on a secondary level of thought...most of this is done without knowing. It is natural.

So, these are YOUR observations.

You have never observed a man consider a particular woman as someone he does not want to have sex with but realizes they connect in other ways that do not involve some kind of mating ritual? You have not observed a woman considering a man as nothing more then someone she wants to have sex with, and not thinking of the relationship any further then that? You have not observed men who have women hanging all over them and able to have sex with any he chooses to?

I think you are generalizing FAR too much and I still think you are injecting your own personal experiences into your 'observations'.

You are correct that people find their own way to deal with life and it becomes second nature and they do it naturally. However, I doubt very much that everybody finds the SAME way of handling relationship with the opposite sex. To argue against that is to argue that we are all the same and have no diversity of character or personality.[/quote]


And Heliocentrism was Aristarchus's and Copernicus's observation....everyone else followed Geocentrism. Yes, MY observation...but I'm sure others have observed the same thing....

S2M wrote:Men and women are intrinsically offset personality-wise against each other....Each is playing a game. The games are different. Men are usually playing the game of: I would like to have sex, and I am interested....I want it...Women, on the other hand, are playing a totally different game: I would like to have sex...but I need to pretend I'm not interested so I can find out if you get it. A women needs to determine if you 'get it'. If you have that masculine thing handled. If you understand attraction. I think women want sex too..but they have a lot of options. Anyy woman can have sex just about anytime she wants to...so they can be a little more selective. Inside, a woman is saying this - 'Look, I like you...of all the guys I have to choose from, you interest me right now....but that doesn't mean it is going to stay this way. Every few minutes my mood and feelings towards you is going to change, this feeling could range from I hate you, I love you, to I'm bored to I wanna have sex with you...and anywhere in between. As long as you can keep me wanting more I'm yours...BUT, as soon as I feel I've figured you out, or I feel like you're becoming predictible, my attraction to you will switch off. There will be nothing I will be able to do about it....so don't screw this up.'

....and so it goes....

So, what you're saying is, is that women are completley an impossible creature to read and understand? I agree. No disrespect to any women in here, but a fat, tub of lard with buck teeth and bad breath can get laid walking into a bar. As long as it's pink inside, SOME man will be there chomping at the bit and will do anything AND everything to get laid. Women can certainly play a man right into their hands and just use them like their little drummer boy. Women run into trouble with men like me. I never bought into the whole women own men thing and never gave them the satisfaction even if they were super hot. I always remained cool, made nice conversation and never gave them super uplifting compliments. This drove them nuts and once I had them right where I wanted them, they were hooked. So many men today act hard and try way too hard to impress a women.

Women like power, but they are also the most insecure out of the both of us. Look at the way they dress, how long it takes them to do their hair, and what kind of designs they have around their eyes. They need a self pimpin and motivational awareness of themselves before they think they can go in and own a weak man who will give every compliment in the book, to which that woman wants, but gets bored really fast. A stuck of woman will always lose in the end, always attracting the douchebags that will cheat on them with that other women that's playing hard to get. It's simple: Don't give woman all that they want and manipulate them into wanting you. They think they have the upper hand but when in reality, they are only praying on the weak.

That's how I always approached it & was pretty successful.

Travis, I don't even know where to start with that. You're doing the generalizing thing.

And, "manipulate them into wanting you"? Wtf? I have to hope you don't mean that the way it sounds.

But again, the generalizing thing... it might be that I'm taking some offense because personally, I'm nothing like what you described, I don't know, but that was pretty harsh. You make it sound like men MUST play and manipulate because women are all stupid and superficial.

Of course there are women (and men) who do those things that you said, but to appoach women in general this way... ugh! Personally, I have no interest in power, or getting things out of a guy, or being complimented left right and center (that actually makes me feel weird, when it's overboard like that). All I want, and if *I* may generalize, I would think it's what most people want, is to be treated with respect, and love, and honesty and without a bunch of horseshit games. And that's by anyone, not just in dating terms.

S2M wrote:

Monker wrote:

S2M wrote:

Melissa wrote:[quote="Monker]
To me, this sounds like it was written by someone who is pretty jaded and can't get into good relationships.

Actually, and I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like someone observing someone else's relationship as an outsider watching both parties.

Exactly!!

BTW people, I've studied psychology for 20 years....people adapt concepts and strategies that they don't even know they are utilizing, or even need to focus on. How many of you had to actually *think* about driving after the 2nd, or 3rd year? Men have been their whole lives, and women have been women...things are intrinsic, innate, and engrained....what I observe is 100% accurate...a lot of this stuff is done on a secondary level of thought...most of this is done without knowing. It is natural.

So, these are YOUR observations.

You have never observed a man consider a particular woman as someone he does not want to have sex with but realizes they connect in other ways that do not involve some kind of mating ritual? You have not observed a woman considering a man as nothing more then someone she wants to have sex with, and not thinking of the relationship any further then that? You have not observed men who have women hanging all over them and able to have sex with any he chooses to?

I think you are generalizing FAR too much and I still think you are injecting your own personal experiences into your 'observations'.

You are correct that people find their own way to deal with life and it becomes second nature and they do it naturally. However, I doubt very much that everybody finds the SAME way of handling relationship with the opposite sex. To argue against that is to argue that we are all the same and have no diversity of character or personality.

And Heliocentrism was Aristarchus's and Copernicus's observation....everyone else followed Geocentrism. Yes, MY observation...but I'm sure others have observed the same thing....[/quote]

I don't care who says it - it's not true. All it says to me is a bunch of philosophers have problems with relationships with women.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Travis, I don't even know where to start with that. You're doing the generalizing thing.

And, "manipulate them into wanting you"? Wtf? I have to hope you don't mean that the way it sounds.

But again, the generalizing thing... it might be that I'm taking some offense because personally, I'm nothing like what you described, I don't know, but that was pretty harsh. You make it sound like men MUST play and manipulate because women are all stupid and superficial.

Of course there are women (and men) who do those things that you said, but to appoach women in general this way... ugh! Personally, I have no interest in power, or getting things out of a guy, or being complimented left right and center (that actually makes me feel weird, when it's overboard like that). All I want, and if *I* may generalize, I would think it's what most people want, is to be treated with respect, and love, and honesty and without a bunch of horseshit games. And that's by anyone, not just in dating terms.

I know that, Kim, you're a good girl and certainly in the minority of good women with morale. I'm talking about more women towards my age group who hang out in bars every week I see it. But mature people like yourself, obviously that isn't attended towards you or any other women with value and self respect.

Monker wrote:I don't care who says it - it's not true. All it says to me is a bunch of philosophers have problems with relationships with women.

Aristarchus and Copernicus were Astronomers, not philosophers. I used that analogy to show that there is always a person who has a seemingly contrary opinion, that goes against conventional wisdom.....and in the end, winds up being correct.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Travis, I don't even know where to start with that ...

I am lmao ...me neither! I sometimes read things he writes about his little 'ol girlfriend and my heart is all aflutter ...this makes me step back *shock* wth kinda girls do you grow in pburg?!?!I still just love this young man. though!

Michigan Girl wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Travis, I don't even know where to start with that ...

I am lmao ...me neither! I sometimes read things he writes about his little 'ol girlfriend and my heart is all aflutter ...this makes me step back *shock* wth kinda girls do you grow in pburg?!?!I still just love this young man. though!

I think my point is completely going over your guys' head. Anyone you ask, I'm the one with the reputation with respecting everyone around me and ESP the women around me. But Pittsburgh girls aren't just the only ones you know. I'm not sure if anyone hangs out at bars full of 20+ year old college students, but they are the most disrespectful, mind gaming people on this planet and it's just not here. I've traveled on a traveling football team and it's worse in many area's. The way I see how most women act, esp in their own little group, makes me adore my girlfriend that much more by the second. Trust me, I've landed a gem and found everything I could of personally asked for in a woman. I see alot of that on this board also. Really down to Earth girls who can melt hearts, the right and sophisticated way other than playing games to get what they want.

The folk we have around here are mature, respectful people. I don't expect you guys to understand todays youth up close and personal I think Matt would agree.

Melissa wrote:Well I agree both genders play games, but sorry ladies, women take the CAKE at game-playing, and it's not even just with romantic relationships. Women play games with each other too. I've found it so interesting as I get older to see how obvious that is, how men can get pissed at each other or whoever, yet they don't STAY mad for long and get over it and don't hold grudges, whereas women can be the opposite and will stay mad and hold grudges for ALL ETERNITY

Mel, I love you. You are the peace maker in every thread and come off just as sweet as you are in person. BRAVO reply. What you just described is my bros GF to a TEE. Every job she has ever held but then destroyed was because of snickering women co-workers who talk shit and tattle and act fake in front of her face. Actually made her quit a couple jobs with all of the backstabbing that goes on. She always said she gets along with men better, lol.

Michigan Girl wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Travis, I don't even know where to start with that ...

I am lmao ...me neither! I sometimes read things he writes about his little 'ol girlfriend and my heart is all aflutter ...this makes me step back *shock* wth kinda girls do you grow in pburg?!?!I still just love this young man. though!

That's what shocked me too... he talks about his lady with such love and respect that I'm impressed by someone his age who gets it, then he haul out this shit! LMAO!

I get what you mean Travis... its horrible when women act that way. And I'm happy that you found one who doesn't.

Watch that "mature" stuff though. We all know that means OLD. LOL

Hey now, I don't mean that at all. I consider myself mature and I'm only 22 years of age But make no mistake about it, I only talk that of the women who deserve that kind of treatment because there are many that certainly do, and some that don't. Like I said, I'm actually happy you had that kind of response because you got offended, which means you are the complete opposite and represent the real instead of the fake. I mean every last little word that could end with an exclamation point in how I describe how I feel about my lady, bottom line, period.

She always says the same thing and can't believe some of the things she sees. I'll always remind her "you are NOT in that kind of breed. You are one of a kind and in a class of your own.."

Just for fun, here's a little battle going on facebook between two girls:

Sarah ****: you are so ugly slut
Alyssa**** *********: suck it, dont hate cause you aiiiiiintttttt
Sarah ****: donchya ever thinks why you'll never have a boyfriend?
Alyssa**** *********: dayummmmm bitch dont judge!

An ACTUAL facebook conversation.